From andrew at aitchison.me.uk  Wed Mar  2 08:56:22 2022
From: andrew at aitchison.me.uk (Andrew C Aitchison)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] RFE: Sort by Reply-To: header
Message-ID: <1db8aacd-a079-df74-69c8-ff8233cf1f5@aitchison.me.uk>


More and more mailing lists are, for good reasons, rewriting the
From: address, at least for some messages sent to the list.

Would it be possible for alpine to have an option of sorting mails
by the Reply-To: header so that we can see the messages from one such 
sender together ?

I can have a go at such a patch if someone can give me pointers.

Thanks.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison					Kendal, UK
 			andrew@aitchison.me.uk

From alpine.chappa at yandex.com  Wed Mar  2 11:11:39 2022
From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] RFE: Sort by Reply-To: header
In-Reply-To: <1db8aacd-a079-df74-69c8-ff8233cf1f5@aitchison.me.uk>
References: <1db8aacd-a079-df74-69c8-ff8233cf1f5@aitchison.me.uk>
Message-ID: <ac139960-a416-11a2-86aa-e0ba549e2bfe@yandex.com>

On Wed, 2 Mar 2022, Andrew C Aitchison wrote:

> More and more mailing lists are, for good reasons, rewriting the From: 
> address, at least for some messages sent to the list.
>
> Would it be possible for alpine to have an option of sorting mails by 
> the Reply-To: header so that we can see the messages from one such 
> sender together ?

Dear Andrew,

   before I bore you to death of the reasons why this is not possible, I'd 
like you to consider an alternative approach, which is to "; select" 
messages based on the content of an arbitrary header. This can be done by 
using the select command to select by a header, so you would press "; T" 
to select by text, but this time you press "H" to specify the header you 
want, so a complete sequence of keystrokes would be something like

   ; t h in-reply-to <return> content-you-are-searching-for

<return> means press the return key.

   Why not sorting? Because IMAP has not defined that. Why does this 
matter? Maybe other clients can do it. The answer is that Alpine is an 
online client, so it can only do what a server can do (or in local folders 
what an IMAP server can do). Since sorting by in-reply-to has not been 
defined, this is not something you would expect a server to do, or a 
client to request.

   You could implement such sorting through a patch. In the case of folders 
in servers you would have implement this by doing what the /loser flag 
does, which is to download all the envelopes from the folder and then do 
the sorting locally. Local folders is similar to /loser, except that you 
should take for granted. Remember that not all message have an in-reply-to 
header, so for those, you probably want to set the in-reply-to content to 
the value of the from (or sender?) field, and then figure out a second key 
for sorting for messages that have the same origin, etc.

   I hope this helps to understand the issue.

   Thank you.

-- 
Eduardo

From bret at busby.net  Thu Mar  3 01:55:45 2022
From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] How to force monthly archiving
Message-ID: <5fe17211-41b-fc3-e27f-fe90adc9d362@busby.net>

Hello.

I believe that I am running alpine 2.24 on UbuntuMATE Linux 20.10.

I have been having problems getting alpine to perform the monthly 
archiving of folders - it seems to not happen, unless the moon is in the 
appropriate phase, and the goats' entrails are appropriately aligned.

Does a key combination or sequence exist, so that, after downloading all 
incoming email, and, running the filters on it, for each month, the 
archiving of folders for the month, can be forced, to ensure that it 
happens?

Thank you in anticipation.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............

From dandunfee at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 06:12:09 2022
From: dandunfee at gmail.com (dan d.)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Does this google change affect alpine
Message-ID: <2260a140-e62f-60d0-fe3c-c7d5e6d7adb9@gmail.com>


It looks like google will demand 2 step verification for many terminal appps.  Here a partt of a recent google email.  Will this affect using
imap with alpine:

To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use
of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google
Account using only your username and password. Instead, you???ll need to
sign in using Sign in with Google or other more secure technologies,
like OAuth 2.0.
-- 
ent-
XR

From andrew at aitchison.me.uk  Sat Mar  5 07:36:10 2022
From: andrew at aitchison.me.uk (Andrew C Aitchison)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Does this google change affect alpine
In-Reply-To: <2260a140-e62f-60d0-fe3c-c7d5e6d7adb9@gmail.com>
References: <2260a140-e62f-60d0-fe3c-c7d5e6d7adb9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dde6b054-353e-cc23-1788-32b0c421ae98@aitchison.me.uk>

On Sat, 5 Mar 2022, dan d. wrote:

> It looks like google will demand 2 step verification for many terminal appps.  Here a partt of a recent google email.  Will this affect using
> imap with alpine:
>
> To help keep your account secure, Google will no longer support the use
> of third-party apps or devices which ask you to sign in to your Google
> Account using only your username and password. Instead, you'll need to
> sign in using Sign in with Google or other more secure technologies,
> like OAuth 2.0.

Eduardo added
"Support for XOAUTH2 authentication method in Gmail" in Alpine v22
- see https://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/release/alpine-2.22.html
I don't think the difference between XOAUTH2 and OAuth 2.0 is significant.

Users will have to follow several steps to get gmail to trust alpine
to access your account. Directions are available at
https://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/alpine-info/misc/xoauth2.html#SettingUpGmail
and
https://wiki.umbc.edu/display/faq/Configuring+Alpine+with+Gmail
Please let those webpage maintainers know if the details change for you.

-- 
Andrew C. Aitchison					Kendal, UK
 			andrew@aitchison.me.uk

From alpine.chappa at yandex.com  Sun Mar  6 20:40:26 2022
From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Instructions to configure XOAUTH2 in Gmail have changed
Message-ID: <0ef0366f-df41-0d96-529c-ea473a0ca9d8@yandex.com>

Dear Alpine users,

   with the upcoming change in gmail whereas username/passwords combination 
will stop working many users are attempting to configure Alpine woth 
XOAUTH2. Some users are reporting that the current directions fail with an 
error like

Authorization Error
Error 400: invalid_request

I expect to reply to many messages that report this error in the upcoming 
months. It seems that the solution to this error is the following:

   * Go back to the page where the user created the client-id and
     client-secret.

   * In the menu on the left, click on "OAuth Consent Screen"

   * In the page that appears, change the "Publishing status" to "Testing"

   * Below this, add the email addresses that will be allowed to login to
     Gmail under "Test Users"

It seems this is affecting users that are just creating client-ids and 
client-secrets, not users that already had them created. In my case, I hae 
Alpine published and do not have this issue (and for users that are having 
this issue, publishing the app does not fix the problem).

I hope this message will help some people find the information they need. 
I will be updating my directions in the web soon.

Thank you.

-- 
Eduardo


From peter at asgalon.net  Thu Mar 17 10:24:52 2022
From: peter at asgalon.net (Peter Koellner)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Index Format FROMORTO
Message-ID: <53a67060-3bb8-479c-c865-f2a9b55b1061@asgalon.net>

Hi!

Recently, someone obviously hacked some mailing list I had been subscribed to a decade ago or so, and is
sending me emails with fake sender addresses but with real names of people I am still in contact with
and fairly believable subject lines.
So what I would like to do would be to restrict the display of clear names to email addresses that are registered in the address book, but others should just show the email address.

So: If I got an email from "John Doe" <this.emailaddress@I.know> it should be shown as "John Doe", while "John Doe" <some.weirdo@impersonating.my.contact> should be shown as some.weirdo@impersonating.my.contact

Would it be possible to do that without too much refactoring?

Regards
   Peter


-- 

From alpine.chappa at yandex.com  Thu Mar 17 14:19:50 2022
From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Index Format FROMORTO
In-Reply-To: <53a67060-3bb8-479c-c865-f2a9b55b1061@asgalon.net>
References: <53a67060-3bb8-479c-c865-f2a9b55b1061@asgalon.net>
Message-ID: <1d7550d3-6930-a932-e0a3-5f2c7ed40cd4@yandex.com>

On Thu, 17 Mar 2022, Peter Koellner wrote:

> So what I would like to do would be to restrict the display of clear 
> names to email addresses that are registered in the address book, but 
> others should just show the email address.
>
> So: If I got an email from "John Doe" <this.emailaddress@I.know> it 
> should be shown as "John Doe", while "John Doe" 
> <some.weirdo@impersonating.my.contact> should be shown as 
> some.weirdo@impersonating.my.contact
>
> Would it be possible to do that without too much refactoring?

Dear Peter,

   the only thing this situation reminds me of is the "rules" patch. With 
it you can make changes in the way that the index is displayed on a 
per-person basis. The patch is located at

https://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/info/rules.html

and the rule that you would be interested in using would be the "Replace 
Rule", which you probably want something like

_NICK_ == {} => _FROM_ := _REPLACE_{_ADDRESS_}

I hope this works.

-- 
Eduardo

From htodd at twofifty.com  Wed Mar 23 10:24:12 2022
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
Message-ID: <a600668e-1469-9883-4920-193ffb754b81@twofifty.com>

I've been using alpine for years (started with pine) but sometimes I get
stuck. I tried google but I couldn't phrase the question in a way that
got me any answers.

Moving an email from a folder to INBOX when INBOX is /var/mail/$USERNAME
requires typing in the whole path. It doesn't seem to like INBOX or
inbox. I can use the full pathname but not the alias. Is this a setting
I got wrong so long ago?

My "new" graphical email client seems to touch all my folders so
switching between that and using alpine I can't tab to folders with new
messages automatically. Is there a setting that says "TAB goes to the
next folder in my collection" and not "TAB goes to the next untouched
folder with new email"?

Thanks for any help.

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd@twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From mepstein at illinois.edu  Wed Mar 23 10:45:34 2022
From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <a600668e-1469-9883-4920-193ffb754b81@twofifty.com>
References: <a600668e-1469-9883-4920-193ffb754b81@twofifty.com>
Message-ID: <6f2be392-15eb-6832-a876-f6a1536929c2@illinois.edu>

I had noticed the same thing.  That is, I'd go to save the message to
another folder, and the message at the bottom of the screen would be:

SAVE Msg ##### to folder in <Local Folders> [saved-messages] :

and entering INBOX (or similar) wouldn't work -- it would try to
create another file/folder named "INBOX".  At one point I noticed I
could use ^T ("To Fldrs") to go to my list of folders, go up to INBOX
and select it, and then it would do the right thing.  Just now I tried
that again, and after selecting INBOX the message at the bottom of the
screen was:

SAVE Msg ##### to folder in <Incoming-Folders> [saved-messages] : INBOX

And I thought, "Hmm, that's the same as the other message, why does it
work and the other one doesn't"; but then I took a closer look and saw
that it wasn't quite the same -- it's got "<Incoming-Folders>" rather
than "<Local Folders>".

With this insight, I retried the original save, noticed there was a
command/keystroke available ^P ("Prev Collection"), and upon trying
that, it switched "<Local Folders>" to "<Incoming-Folders>", and then
I was able to specify INBOX.

tl;dr Hit ^P to switch which set of folders you're trying to save to
before entering INBOX.

Milt Epstein
mepstein@illinois.edu
Instructional Designer
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)


On Wed, 23 Mar 2022, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> I've been using alpine for years (started with pine) but sometimes I get
> stuck. I tried google but I couldn't phrase the question in a way that
> got me any answers.
> 
> Moving an email from a folder to INBOX when INBOX is /var/mail/$USERNAME
> requires typing in the whole path. It doesn't seem to like INBOX or
> inbox. I can use the full pathname but not the alias. Is this a setting
> I got wrong so long ago?
> 
> My "new" graphical email client seems to touch all my folders so
> switching between that and using alpine I can't tab to folders with new
> messages automatically. Is there a setting that says "TAB goes to the
> next folder in my collection" and not "TAB goes to the next untouched
> folder with new email"?
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> -- 
> Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd@twofifty.com
> BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!qN631zQj94MmWNQRWYOUTmmnoD5Tj2lAhL45McDOJFWW8BDSv2q1YG8Axp7PUwzozw$ 

From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it  Wed Mar 23 12:38:46 2022
From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <6f2be392-15eb-6832-a876-f6a1536929c2@illinois.edu>
References: <6f2be392-15eb-6832-a876-f6a1536929c2@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203232026530.13910@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022, Milt Epstein wrote:

> At one point I noticed I could use ^T ("To Fldrs") to go to my list of 
> folders, go up to INBOX and select it, and then it would do the right 
> thing.

Exactly, I'd always used that procedure (S then ^T them select INBOX in
Folder-Collection <Incoming-Folders>)

Not that I have to do it often. Usually I save FROM inbox to a project or 
topic specific  folder. Keep inbox rather empty. I do not need to save 
"back" TO inbox, unless it is to recover some false positive from a spam 
folder.

Then when I repeat a Save, it proposes me INBOX as default choice (or I 
can navigate the history with up- or down-arrow (and the ^P ^N to 
previous or next collection) and it works

The G (goto folder) also proposes INBOX, or one can use ^W.

I never TYPE the actual word INBOX, but I can access it satisfactoerily as 
quick as I might desire.

Not sure whether that depends from my patched Alpine version, or from the 
fact I have several Incoming-Folders, anyhow I'm happy with the behaviour.


-- 
'It seemed to me,' said Wonko the Sane, 'that any civilization that had so
far lost its head as to need to include a set of detailed instructions for
use in a package of toothpicks, was no longer a civilization in which I
could live and stay sane.'
  Douglas Adams, So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

From htodd at twofifty.com  Thu Mar 24 21:08:54 2022
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203232026530.13910@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
References: <6f2be392-15eb-6832-a876-f6a1536929c2@illinois.edu>
	<nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203232026530.13910@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
Message-ID: <90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>

Well, I have a workaround (just remember to type in /var/mail/$USERNAME
when I'm moving to inbox) but I still wonder if there's a setting
"visit" every folder with tab.

On Wed, 23 Mar 2022, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2022, Milt Epstein wrote:
>
>> At one point I noticed I could use ^T ("To Fldrs") to go to my list of 
>> folders, go up to INBOX and select it, and then it would do the right 
>> thing.
>
> Exactly, I'd always used that procedure (S then ^T them select INBOX in
> Folder-Collection <Incoming-Folders>)
>
> Not that I have to do it often. Usually I save FROM inbox to a project or 
> topic specific  folder. Keep inbox rather empty. I do not need to save "back" 
> TO inbox, unless it is to recover some false positive from a spam folder.
>
> Then when I repeat a Save, it proposes me INBOX as default choice (or I can 
> navigate the history with up- or down-arrow (and the ^P ^N to previous or 
> next collection) and it works
>
> The G (goto folder) also proposes INBOX, or one can use ^W.
>
> I never TYPE the actual word INBOX, but I can access it satisfactoerily as 
> quick as I might desire.
>
> Not sure whether that depends from my patched Alpine version, or from the 
> fact I have several Incoming-Folders, anyhow I'm happy with the behaviour.
>
>
>

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd@twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From alpine.chappa at yandex.com  Thu Mar 24 22:50:20 2022
From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>
References: <6f2be392-15eb-6832-a876-f6a1536929c2@illinois.edu>
	<nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203232026530.13910@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
	<90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>
Message-ID: <d0521210-f4ef-8a4d-05e9-99dcbae80252@yandex.com>

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> Well, I have a workaround (just remember to type in /var/mail/$USERNAME 
> when I'm moving to inbox) but I still wonder if there's a setting 
> "visit" every folder with tab.

Not such setting. This is one of those features where there are not enough 
keys to do all the operations you want. My only suggestion is to use the 
rules patch in my page so you can define a command that does that.

The page for that patch is

https://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/info/rules.html

I hope this helps.

-- 
Eduardo

From htodd at twofifty.com  Fri Mar 25 09:27:48 2022
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <d0521210-f4ef-8a4d-05e9-99dcbae80252@yandex.com>
References: <6f2be392-15eb-6832-a876-f6a1536929c2@illinois.edu>
	<nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203232026530.13910@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
	<90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>
	<d0521210-f4ef-8a4d-05e9-99dcbae80252@yandex.com>
Message-ID: <745c133d-5685-e57b-dbb4-809c7df888b8@twofifty.com>

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, Eduardo Chappa wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
>
>> Well, I have a workaround (just remember to type in /var/mail/$USERNAME 
>> when I'm moving to inbox) but I still wonder if there's a setting "visit" 
>> every folder with tab.
>
> Not such setting. This is one of those features where there are not enough 
> keys to do all the operations you want. My only suggestion is to use the 
> rules patch in my page so you can define a command that does that.
>
> The page for that patch is
>
> https://alpine.x10host.com/alpine/info/rules.html
>
> I hope this helps.

Wow, that's pretty neat. I'm not sure if it does what I want, but I'm OK
with that. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing an obvious
option.

-- 
Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd@twofifty.com
BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee

From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it  Fri Mar 25 13:43:47 2022
From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>
References: <90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203252136540.21180@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:

> Well, I have a workaround (just remember to type in /var/mail/$USERNAME
> when I'm moving to inbox)

Sorry to repeat, but on my alpine I achieve the result with a few (fewer?) 
keystrokes ... 3 or 4:

S ^T up-arrow return

the first time: S for Save, control-T for go to list, up-arrow to move
from the default proposed location of saved-messages to IMBOX which is 
immediately above, and carriage return to accept

S up-arrow (once or more) return

all next times: S for Save, up-arrow to navigate the folder history until 
one reaches INBOX, and carriage return to accept


From mepstein at illinois.edu  Fri Mar 25 15:57:40 2022
From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Two newbie-ish questions
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203252136540.21180@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
References: <90206f22-2016-bb71-fb4a-cdd8e23bab09@twofifty.com>
	<nycvar.YFH.7.76.2203252136540.21180@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
Message-ID: <24fb49fe-2b2d-10c0-822f-9f729de8354b@illinois.edu>

And I'll add a reminder about the other suggestion I made :-):

S ^P INBOX

Seven keystrokes (eight with the return), so maybe more than Lucio's :-),
but it doesn't switch the screen to display all the folders, so I think
it's actually cognitively smoother.  (Also, after typing the "IN" or "I"
of "INBOX" you can hit TAB to do completion and potentially save a few
more keystrokes.)

Milt Epstein
mepstein@illinois.edu
Instructional Designer
Department of Computer Science
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)


On Fri, 25 Mar 2022, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2022, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote:
> 
> > Well, I have a workaround (just remember to type in /var/mail/$USERNAME
> > when I'm moving to inbox)
> 
> Sorry to repeat, but on my alpine I achieve the result with a few (fewer?)
> keystrokes ... 3 or 4:
> 
> S ^T up-arrow return
> 
> the first time: S for Save, control-T for go to list, up-arrow to move
> from the default proposed location of saved-messages to IMBOX which is
> immediately above, and carriage return to accept
> 
> S up-arrow (once or more) return
> 
> all next times: S for Save, up-arrow to navigate the folder history until one
> reaches INBOX, and carriage return to accept
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!rHf4kCK0gEHbTlGLN8O9NE8AgebydQh5XS3BMV25k954nKkyvjrLryDnETIp55w2XQ$