From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Mon May 2 10:28:48 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] O365 XOAUTH2 via fetchmail In-Reply-To: References: <3abd874-51a8-cb8d-62f2-9cf98d2b7fe6@gmail.com> <83544857-15d1-67f3-8576-0738e6d3949a@yandex.com> <2e5b40cc-a2ec-d59d-51f9-3f5ca2a5e33@aitchison.me.uk> <81d2c904-b562-5a1b-cf70-18d10bbd232a@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 May 2022, Sewell, David R (drs2n) wrote: > I finally got a reply from my university's manager of Microsoft Services > to my request that Alpine be authorized as a client to connect with our > Outlook services. This was the response: > > Hi David, > > Even if we were to authorize Alpine for use in our tenant its > functionality wouldn?t work past August when Microsoft deprecates basic > auth with SMTP auth. I feel non outlook clients are not long for this > world in the eyes of Microsoft. > > Is he correct about this? Dear David, What Microsoft called "basic authentication" is what we are accustomed to thinking of "username/password". That is what Google calls "less secure apps". In reality, an administrator can disable username/password and that is what Microsoft is going to do by default, instead of having administrators disable them. In my college our administrator disabled username/password a long time ago (about a year ago) and so I have been using XOAUTH2 to login to our exchange server for a long time without any problems (in both sides of the issue, as a user or from the administrator side.) In the list or reasons that I wrote that you quoted that was my point #2. That seems to be the only concern that the adminstrator has, but forwarding the message does not hurt, as it contains many more details that might be helpful for your administrator to know about Alpine before they make their final decision. I wish you success! -- Eduardo From dsewell at virginia.edu Mon May 2 10:30:35 2022 From: dsewell at virginia.edu (Sewell, David R (drs2n)) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] FW: O365 XOAUTH2 via fetchmail In-Reply-To: References: <3abd874-51a8-cb8d-62f2-9cf98d2b7fe6@gmail.com> <83544857-15d1-67f3-8576-0738e6d3949a@yandex.com> <2e5b40cc-a2ec-d59d-51f9-3f5ca2a5e33@aitchison.me.uk> <81d2c904-b562-5a1b-cf70-18d10bbd232a@yandex.com> Message-ID: <9FAF17E9-EB1D-4FA6-B92C-B614E8664B99@virginia.edu> [Re-sending this to the list from my subscribed email address] I finally got a reply from my university's manager of Microsoft Services to my request that Alpine be authorized as a client to connect with our Outlook services. This was the response: Hi David, Even if we were to authorize Alpine for use in our tenant its functionality wouldn?t work past August when Microsoft deprecates basic auth with SMTP auth. I feel non outlook clients are not long for this world in the eyes of Microsoft. Is he correct about this? I don't understand the technical details of the various authorization methods but based on what Eduardo says below, the deprecation of basic auth should not be a problem if Alpine is configured correctly? (Eduardo, should I just forward this admin your email below?) David -- David Sewell Manager of Digital Initiatives and Rotunda Imprint The University of Virginia Press dsewell@virginia.edu Tel: +1 434 924 9973 From: Alpine-info on behalf of Eduardo Chappa Date: Thursday, April 21, 2022 at 10:46 AM To: Carl Edquist Cc: "alpine-info@u.washington.edu" Subject: Re: [Alpine-info] O365 XOAUTH2 via fetchmail On Thu, 21 Apr 2022, Carl Edquist wrote: If they give you trouble, perhaps you can get a "doctor's note" from the maintainer... The main problem might be ignorance (not intentional) from the administrator of the server. For them "Alpine" might sound like "Aunt Mary's Magic Email Program", hence the fear of the unknown: I cannot trust access to the server to something I have not heard of before. Here are some arguments that can be used to advocate for allowing Alpine access to a server. 1. Alpine respects your privacy: It uses your data only for the purposes intended by the user. This means that it will no access your data unless it needs to and only to accomplish the tasks that the user needs. Alpine does not share any of the information it collects with any other person or entity. The privacy policy is posted at https://alpine.x10host.com/legal/privacy.html 2. Alpine uses XOAUTH2 to login a user to their resources. Alpine does not need to use username/password (which is considered "less" safe) to access a server. If an administrator does not want a user to use username/password it can be disabled from the server side to make sure Alpine users never use their password. 3. Since Alpine supports XOAUTH2, it also supports two-factor authentication. Alpine opens a link to complete the XOAUTH2 authorization stage, and while doing so it can complete two-factor authentication. 4. Alpine does not attempt to access data that it is not allowed to. This means that Alpine will not attempt to access contacts or calendar information that it is not allowed to. The only access that is required to run Alpine is to be able to fully manage email: read, delete, modify and send email. 5. Alpine is already widely deployed across the world. Alpine is distributed by all mayor linux distributions: Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora, Opensuse and many more. Its user basis comes mostly from North America and Europe, and internet searches show that it is used in universities across the world. Here are some links that show administrators at places around the world helping users configure Alpine to access their servers: https://kb.mit.edu/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=164758928 https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Support/KB/Docs/UsingAlpinewitho365 https://espace.cern.ch/mmmservices-help/AccessingYourMailbox/Alpine/Pages/default.aspx There are many more. 6. The implementation of Alpine using XOAUTH2 has been available for years. This means it has also been tried and tested by many users around the world. If there had been any problems or security concerns with its implementation those problems would already by posted somewhere. The only problems that have been reported for Alpine in the last few years can be seen for example at this page: https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-23410/product_id-86426/Alpine-Project-Alpine.html The fact that this page exists shows that Alpine is widely used around the world. 7. The developer of Alpine is active in forums, answers to personal email, takes bug reports seriously and addresses them. If any administrator wishes to contact me directly to address any concerns I am happy to speak to them by any means (email, phone, zoom, etc.) 8. Alpine is in constant development and its code is publicly available and can be found at https://repo.or.cz/alpine.git so anyone can review its code at any time. 9. Users have used Alpine for years and amassed a big amount of email distributed over many folders over years. They have been able to access that email and all information in it with Alpine and losing Alpine access might have a devastating effect over the user. This is particularly troublesome for users that do research in universities across the world that need that access. I hope this helps all of us to talk to administrators and help them see that Alpine is a safe email program. Its interface makes managing email efficient and convenient and that is preferred by many users instead of other more common alternatives that do not match the usage habits of some users of the email service but still makes them efficient workers in their institution. -- Eduardo _______________________________________________ Alpine-info mailing list Alpine-info@u.washington.edu http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Mon May 2 11:18:18 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] FW: O365 XOAUTH2 via fetchmail In-Reply-To: <9FAF17E9-EB1D-4FA6-B92C-B614E8664B99@virginia.edu> References: <3abd874-51a8-cb8d-62f2-9cf98d2b7fe6@gmail.com> <83544857-15d1-67f3-8576-0738e6d3949a@yandex.com> <2e5b40cc-a2ec-d59d-51f9-3f5ca2a5e33@aitchison.me.uk> <81d2c904-b562-5a1b-cf70-18d10bbd232a@yandex.com> <9FAF17E9-EB1D-4FA6-B92C-B614E8664B99@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <8d838b9a-cefe-cc08-be6e-636e0eb55f19@yandex.com> On Mon, 2 May 2022, Sewell, David R (drs2n) wrote: > [Re-sending this to the list from my subscribed email address] Dear David, one more thing I forgot to mention. Since your administrator talked about SMTP, if you run openssl with the command openssl s_client -connect smtp.office365.com:587 -starttls smtp -crlf and in the prompt you enter ehlo localhost you will receive the following reply: 250-SN7P222CA0006.outlook.office365.com Hello [174.137.68.50] 250-SIZE 157286400 250-PIPELINING 250-DSN 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES 250-AUTH LOGIN XOAUTH2 250-8BITMIME 250-BINARYMIME 250-CHUNKING 250 SMTPUTF8 The relevant part is the line that says 250-AUTH LOGIN XOAUTH2 those correspond to the methods that the server supports for authentication. The one that will go away is LOGIN, the other one XOAUTH2 has been supported in Alpine for several years. To quit the connection to the server enter "quit". In regards to IMAP, the test you want to make is openssl s_client -connect outlook.office365.com:993 -crlf and once you get to the prompt you enter a capability and you will get the reply * CAPABILITY IMAP4 IMAP4rev1 AUTH=PLAIN AUTH=XOAUTH2 SASL-IR UIDPLUS MOVE ID UNSELECT CHILDREN IDLE NAMESPACE LITERAL+ the string that you care about is AUTH=XOAUTH2, which Alpine supports (To logout from the server enter "a logout") so as long as your administrator allows it, you are all set to go with Alpine. I hope this helps. -- Eduardo From jsiegle at psu.edu Mon May 2 12:06:46 2022 From: jsiegle at psu.edu (Jonathan Siegle) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] FW: O365 XOAUTH2 via fetchmail In-Reply-To: <9FAF17E9-EB1D-4FA6-B92C-B614E8664B99@virginia.edu> References: <3abd874-51a8-cb8d-62f2-9cf98d2b7fe6@gmail.com> <83544857-15d1-67f3-8576-0738e6d3949a@yandex.com> <2e5b40cc-a2ec-d59d-51f9-3f5ca2a5e33@aitchison.me.uk> <81d2c904-b562-5a1b-cf70-18d10bbd232a@yandex.com> <9FAF17E9-EB1D-4FA6-B92C-B614E8664B99@virginia.edu> Message-ID: <8bdcacd0-841b-fb55-6ca0-fc6728cb394@psu.edu> On 2022-05-02 at 17:30, Sewell, David R (drs2n) wrote: > You don't often get email from dsewell@virginia.edu. Learn why this is important > > [Re-sending this to the list from my subscribed email address] > > ? > > I finally got a reply from my university's manager of Microsoft Services to my request that Alpine be authorized as a client to > connect with our Outlook services. This was the response: > > ? > > Hi David,? > > ? > > Even if we were to authorize Alpine for use in our tenant its functionality wouldn?t work past August when Microsoft deprecates basic > auth with SMTP auth. ?I feel non outlook clients are not long for this world in the eyes of Microsoft.? > David, Microsoft has no intention of disabling basic auth from smtp . Per https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients-and-mobile-in-exchange-online/deprecation-of-basic-authentication-exchange-online "SMTP AUTH will still be available when Basic authentication is permanently disabled on October 1, 2022. The reason SMTP will still be available is that many multi-function devices such as printers and scanners can't be updated to use modern authentication. However, we strongly encourage customers to move away from using Basic authentication with SMTP AUTH when possible. " -Jonathan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The reason SMTP will still be > available is that many multi-function devices such as printers and > scanners can't be updated to use modern authentication. However, we > strongly encourage customers to move away from using Basic authentication > with SMTP AUTH when possible. " Yes, but while this is correct for *all microsoft* users, it may be true that for *some non-microsoft* users this is false. Every adminstrator decides what they will allow for their users, and so when an administrator tells you (even for the wrong reason) that a method of authentication is going to go away, one should take that seriously and act accordingly. -- Eduardo From frenkiel at gmail.com Sat May 7 03:29:37 2022 From: frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] posts to Alpine-info (fwd) Message-ID: <69d6193-f42-9b79-9ce8-ec129dd93180@gmail.com> >You should also find out if your mail server is blacklisted - which is the >case: > > > >Some consider your machine as a spammer. > hi, I did the same tst today, and now (Halleluia), I'm no more considerd as spammer This post shoud then work. Let's try best regards, -- Pierre Frenkiel From fuellen at uni-rostock.de Thu May 12 04:18:44 2022 From: fuellen at uni-rostock.de (Georg Fuellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] timestamps in "Journal"? Message-ID: hello, I think I remember that years ago, when reviewing alpine "log" messages via J ("Journal") from the main menu, I could hit "T" (I think) in the submenu and see the timestamps of the log messages; I cannot find that anymore, is this function gone or? Thanks!! georg From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Thu May 12 08:16:34 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] timestamps in "Journal"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <190ed28a-a0fd-b974-bedd-4338d92dfeca@yandex.com> On Thu, 12 May 2022, Georg Fuellen wrote: > I think I remember that years ago, when reviewing alpine "log" messages > via J ("Journal") from the main menu, I could hit "T" (I think) in the > submenu and see the timestamps of the log messages; I cannot find that > anymore, is this function gone or? Thanks!! georg Dear Georg, I think that your version of Alpine was not compiled with debug on. Does this explain what you are observing? -- Eduardo From fuellen at uni-rostock.de Thu May 12 18:33:42 2022 From: fuellen at uni-rostock.de (Georg Fuellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] timestamps in "Journal"? In-Reply-To: <190ed28a-a0fd-b974-bedd-4338d92dfeca@yandex.com> References: <190ed28a-a0fd-b974-bedd-4338d92dfeca@yandex.com> Message-ID: dear Eduardo, > On Thu, 12 May 2022, Georg Fuellen wrote: > >> I think I remember that years ago, when reviewing alpine "log" messages via >> J ("Journal") from the main menu, I could hit "T" (I think) in the submenu >> and see the timestamps of the log messages; I cannot find that anymore, is >> this function gone or? Thanks!! georg > > Dear Georg, > > I think that your version of Alpine was not compiled with debug on. Does > this explain what you are observing? Thanks, that's a good explanation, and I assume there's nothing I can do in the acute case that I'd like to know what I did when, in my current alpine session? In general, are there notable disadvanges when alpine is compiled with debug on? (I assume it's a bit slower, but that's it?) all the best georg > -- > Eduardo > > From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Thu May 12 21:04:01 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] timestamps in "Journal"? In-Reply-To: References: <190ed28a-a0fd-b974-bedd-4338d92dfeca@yandex.com> Message-ID: <1e9849c5-2321-c680-ca26-1172e0f1b701@yandex.com> On Fri, 13 May 2022, Georg Fuellen wrote: >> Dear Georg, >> >> I think that your version of Alpine was not compiled with debug on. >> Does this explain what you are observing? > > Thanks, that's a good explanation, and I assume there's nothing I can do > in the acute case that I'd like to know what I did when, in my current > alpine session? In general, are there notable disadvanges when alpine is > compiled with debug on? (I assume it's a bit slower, but that's it?) Dear Georg, I do not know what could be done to see those timestamps given your constraints. I see you are using an old version of Alpine. In current versions of Alpine, when you compile Alpine the configure option --disable-debug only disables the binary debug (the one gdb uses) but does not disable the alpine debug (the one you get with the -d command line option) or the debug journal (the one you get by pressing J from the Main Screen.) I hope this helps you understand the situation when you upgrade your Alpine some day. Thank you. -- Eduardo From rvi at sci.fi Wed May 18 09:45:39 2022 From: rvi at sci.fi (Riku Virtanen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] PC-Alpine 2.25 & very slow Message-ID: <839176ba-c882-54d5-46cb-45f64ef1cf@sci.fi> Hi all, I had PC-Alpine 2.20 some years and it works relatively fast. After Google started to use its new security method, I downloaded new 2.25 version. I succeeded to configure smtp with new authentization method and it works. However, now Alpine opens with L command the folder list really slowly, and I even removed one of my Gmail accounts from Folder collection that Alpine stopped crashing. Has you idea what can be a reason? Riku From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Thu May 19 05:48:41 2022 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] save not working Message-ID: <57634963-f3f4-21c1-cfc5-015f2c8e4d43@gmail.com> after reading a mail with alpine, I can't save it: I get a "busy" message indefinitely has anybody an explanation, and if possible a fix? best regards Pierre Frenkiel From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Thu May 19 05:51:42 2022 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] test Message-ID: just checking whether I can send mails... From bret at busby.net Thu May 19 06:22:52 2022 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] save not working In-Reply-To: <57634963-f3f4-21c1-cfc5-015f2c8e4d43@gmail.com> References: <57634963-f3f4-21c1-cfc5-015f2c8e4d43@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2c2549b4-e545-297d-4bf1-7b98d04614e2@busby.net> On 19/5/22 8:48 pm, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > after reading a mail with alpine, I can't save it: I get a "busy" > message indefinitely > > has anybody an explanation, and if possible a fix? > > best regards > > Pierre Frenkiel > You should include the version of alpine that you are using, and, the operating system platform (and operating system version number); e.g., alpine v 2.0 running on Windows 3.1. It makes the question easier to understand, for people who may respond to it. I have not experienced the problem, on the versions of alpine, that I have used, up to and including v2.24, running on UbuntuMATE Linux v20.10. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .............. From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Thu May 19 06:32:58 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] PC-Alpine 2.25 & very slow In-Reply-To: <839176ba-c882-54d5-46cb-45f64ef1cf@sci.fi> References: <839176ba-c882-54d5-46cb-45f64ef1cf@sci.fi> Message-ID: On Wed, 18 May 2022, Riku Virtanen wrote: > I had PC-Alpine 2.20 some years and it works relatively fast. > > After Google started to use its new security method, I downloaded new > 2.25 version. I succeeded to configure smtp with new authentization > method and it works. However, now Alpine opens with L command the folder > list really slowly, and I even removed one of my Gmail accounts from > Folder collection that Alpine stopped crashing. Dear Riku, we need to debug the issue. Here is what you can do. Please start Alpine 2.20 and issue the "L" command, then press "M J D 9 T S" and save the debug to a file. Please note the path to that file. Quit Alpine 2.20. Repeat the exact same process above in Alpine 2.25. Save to a different file. Now send me both files and I will take a look at them. In addition, did you also say that Alpine is crashing? Does the crash happen when you press the "L" command or in another instance? Thank you. -- Eduardo From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Thu May 19 06:46:37 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] save not working In-Reply-To: <57634963-f3f4-21c1-cfc5-015f2c8e4d43@gmail.com> References: <57634963-f3f4-21c1-cfc5-015f2c8e4d43@gmail.com> Message-ID: <377d64c0-9043-53e2-354b-5e596cc7e80c@yandex.com> On Thu, 19 May 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > after reading a mail with alpine, I can't save it: I get a "busy" > message indefinitely > > has anybody an explanation, and if possible a fix? Dear Pierre, besides the advice from Bret, if you compiled your own version of Alpine and are using Alpine in Linux you can use gdb to help you debug this problem. If this is the case, please do as follows. 1. Repeat the problem. 2. Now open another terminal or screen and find out the process id of Alpine. This can be done in several ways. For example, you can use a command like ps -ef | grep alpine | grep -v alpine to do so. The answer is the leftmost number you see. In Opensuse you can use the command pidof alpine to do so. Please note the answer you get. 3. With this answer, now use gdb with the command and issue, from the command line, the following command gdb -p where is the number you got from the process id. Do not include the angle brackets. For example if you got the process id 1234 from the first command, the gdb command would be gdb -p 1234. 4. Once inside gdb please execute the "bt" command (gdb) bt and send me the output. This will tell me what Alpine is trying to do. My hunch is that you are finding a locking problem in Alpine or maybe your folder to save the message to is too big. Thank you. -- Eduardo From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Wed May 25 08:29:15 2022 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] save not working Message-ID: <84a7f06b-85c3-b810-6267-1f98ea504ae8@gmail.com> hi Eduardo, I didn't compile alpine, but I use the Debian version I got with apt-get. Anyway, I did what you suggested, and the output I got is: 0? 0xb7fb0559 in __kernel_vsyscall () #1? 0xb791274b in __GI___select (timeout=0xbfe36cd4, exceptfds=0xbfe36d5c, writefds=0x0, readfds=0xbfe36cdc, nfds=1) ??? at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/select.c:41 #2? __GI___select (nfds=1, readfds=0xbfe36cdc, writefds=0x0, exceptfds=0xbfe36d5c, timeout=0xbfe36cd4) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/select.c:37 #3? 0x00639014 in ?? () #4? 0x00738177 in ?? () #5? 0x007382ec in ?? () #6? 0x00735918 in ?? () #7? 0x005a4840 in ?? () #8? 0x005a595c in ?? () #9? 0x0051bff4 in ?? () #10 0xb7834e46 in __libc_start_main (main=0x519e30, argc=3, argv=0xbfe38e74, init=0x7c53b0, fini=0x7c5410, rtld_fini=0xb7fc3230 <_dl_fini>, ??? stack_end=0xbfe38e6c) at ../csu/libc-start.c:308 #11 0x0051c991 in ?? () Does that helps to explain the problem? best regards, Pierre Frenkiel From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Wed May 25 09:26:05 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] save not working In-Reply-To: <84a7f06b-85c3-b810-6267-1f98ea504ae8@gmail.com> References: <84a7f06b-85c3-b810-6267-1f98ea504ae8@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 25 May 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi Eduardo, I didn't compile alpine, but I use the Debian version I got > with apt-get. Dear Pierre, unfortunately the information you sent does not mean much to me because your version was stripped from its debug. As far as I understand Debian also distributes a debug-ready version of Alpine, which will help us if you can get a hold of it. Alternatively, you can also build your own version of Alpine, which will have the debug compiled by default and use that version to debug the problem. Thank you for your help. -- Eduardo From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Thu May 26 08:19:23 2022 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] mail test Message-ID: <4e42aba7-4da4-8e33-0968-b7492da81094@gmail.com> I can read mails with alpine, but impossible to save it to a folder ("busy" .... timeout), and to to send. fortunately, it's much better with thunderbird, as you can see. best regards, Pierre Frenkiel From bret at busby.net Thu May 26 09:42:50 2022 From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] mail test In-Reply-To: <4e42aba7-4da4-8e33-0968-b7492da81094@gmail.com> References: <4e42aba7-4da4-8e33-0968-b7492da81094@gmail.com> Message-ID: <933cd1dc-db4e-f903-b964-8eb0f3be2019@busby.net> On 26/5/22 11:19 pm, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > I can read mails with alpine, but impossible to save it to a folder > ("busy" .... timeout), and to to send. > > fortunately, it's much better with thunderbird, as you can see. > > best regards, > > Pierre Frenkiel > If you are seeking help, it is more useful with a post like the above, to include the version of alpine, that you are running, and, the operating system platform, upon which you are running it (the operating system name and version number. For example, on alpine v2,24, running on UbuntuMATE Linux v20.10, I do not have any of the problems that you mentioned. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia (UTC+0800) .............. From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu May 26 09:57:58 2022 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] alpine and Gmail future changes? In-Reply-To: <933cd1dc-db4e-f903-b964-8eb0f3be2019@busby.net> References: <4e42aba7-4da4-8e33-0968-b7492da81094@gmail.com> <933cd1dc-db4e-f903-b964-8eb0f3be2019@busby.net> Message-ID: Hi folks, I am both starting this thread, and including the list where the question is rather important. My goal being helping those blind Linux users who rely on alpine to manage their gmail account, and letting them know how to reach the alpine list too. I recall? there might? be a solution already in place, but just in case can someone articulate how to keep alpine working with gmail in light of anticipated changes by google? best, karen From dandunfee at gmail.com Thu May 26 16:24:45 2022 From: dandunfee at gmail.com (dan d.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Highest praise for Eduardo Message-ID: I'm a blind alpine user and the security changes required to continue to use gmail were a hurdle for me. Eduardo was very generous and kind with his time on the phone and by email in helping me make the changes. I cann't thank him enough for his patience and the fustration I caused him, he is indeed a true gentleman. Dan Dunfee From scowles at ckhb.org Fri May 27 14:16:07 2022 From: scowles at ckhb.org (scowles@ckhb.org) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Highest praise for Eduardo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c92be34-e096-bdad-9539-6da149d05ec6@ckhb.org> On Thu, 26 May 2022, dan d. wrote: > Date: Thu, 26 May 2022 16:24:45 > From: dan d. > To: alpine-info@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Alpine-info] Highest praise for Eduardo > > I'm a blind alpine user and the security changes required to continue to use gmail were a hurdle for me. > Eduardo was very generous and kind with his time on the phone and by email in helping me make the changes. > I cann't thank him enough for his patience and the fustration I caused him, he is indeed a true gentleman. thank you for the prod to offer thanks to eduardo. i've been using pine / alpine / re-alpine / alpine since the mid 90's. i migrated straight from mail / mailx to pine. i imagine that the job of developer / maintainer often goes with little acknowledgment and this is a good opportunity to address that. i add my thanks to eduardo for a tool that fits my requirements for keyboard-driven speed, optional encryption / signing, and myriad customizations. -- scowles@ckhb.org From mepstein at illinois.edu Fri May 27 15:00:40 2022 From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Highest praise for Eduardo In-Reply-To: <2c92be34-e096-bdad-9539-6da149d05ec6@ckhb.org> References: <2c92be34-e096-bdad-9539-6da149d05ec6@ckhb.org> Message-ID: I too am very happy to offer my thanks and appreciation to Eduardo for keeping pine/alpine going, and helping ensure it's got all the important features and functionality necessary for a great user experience as the email environment has changed significantly over the years (and continues to change!). I've been a pine/alpine user even longer -- I started in the early 90's -- although I did try elm for a bit :-) before settling on pine. And I've used it pretty much coninuously since then as my main MUA. And I hope I can continue to do so for a long long time! Milt Epstein mepstein@illinois.edu On Fri, 27 May 2022, scowles@ckhb.org wrote: > > On Thu, 26 May 2022, dan d. wrote: > > > I'm a blind alpine user and the security changes required to > > continue to use gmail were a hurdle for me. Eduardo was very > > generous and kind with his time on the phone and by email in > > helping me make the changes. I cann't thank him enough for his > > patience and the fustration I caused him, he is indeed a true > > gentleman. > > thank you for the prod to offer thanks to eduardo. i've been using pine / > alpine / re-alpine / alpine since the mid 90's. i migrated straight from mail > / mailx to pine. i imagine that the job of developer / maintainer often goes > with little acknowledgment and this is a good opportunity to address that. > > i add my thanks to eduardo for a tool that fits my requirements for > keyboard-driven speed, optional encryption / signing, and myriad > customizations. > > -- > scowles@ckhb.org From barrylandy at cantab.net Sat May 28 14:27:11 2022 From: barrylandy at cantab.net (Barry Landy) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Highest praise for Eduardo In-Reply-To: References: <2c92be34-e096-bdad-9539-6da149d05ec6@ckhb.org> Message-ID: I would also like to add my thanks to Eduardo. Maybe you know that the original meaning of the PINE acronym was Pine Is Not Elm !! I also consulted on various issues with the people a WA when I visited in the 90s. The ability to save a message to the postponed folder and then compose from it was my suggestion (based on a feature we had in al earlier system). We adopted PINE for our university system in 1995 (I think that is right!) and I have been a user (and promoter) ever since. On Fri, 27 May 2022, Milt Epstein wrote: :>I too am very happy to offer my thanks and appreciation to Eduardo for :>keeping pine/alpine going, and helping ensure it's got all the :>important features and functionality necessary for a great user :>experience as the email environment has changed significantly over the :>years (and continues to change!). :> :>I've been a pine/alpine user even longer -- I started in the early :>90's -- although I did try elm for a bit :-) before settling on pine. :>And I've used it pretty much coninuously since then as my main MUA. :>And I hope I can continue to do so for a long long time! :> :>Milt Epstein :>mepstein@illinois.edu :> :> :>On Fri, 27 May 2022, scowles@ckhb.org wrote: :> :>> :>> On Thu, 26 May 2022, dan d. wrote: :>> :>> > I'm a blind alpine user and the security changes required to :>> > continue to use gmail were a hurdle for me. Eduardo was very :>> > generous and kind with his time on the phone and by email in :>> > helping me make the changes. I cann't thank him enough for his :>> > patience and the fustration I caused him, he is indeed a true :>> > gentleman. :>> :>> thank you for the prod to offer thanks to eduardo. i've been using pine / :>> alpine / re-alpine / alpine since the mid 90's. i migrated straight from mail :>> / mailx to pine. i imagine that the job of developer / maintainer often goes :>> with little acknowledgment and this is a good opportunity to address that. :>> :>> i add my thanks to eduardo for a tool that fits my requirements for :>> keyboard-driven speed, optional encryption / signing, and myriad :>> customizations. :>> :>> -- :>> scowles@ckhb.org :> :>_______________________________________________ :>Alpine-info mailing list :>Alpine-info@u.washington.edu :>http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info :> -- Barry Landy Home: +44-1223-570417 192, Gilbert Road College: +44-1223-362062 Mobile +44-7771-933945 Cambridge CB4 3PB Efax: +44-870-458-0205 England Email BarryLandy@cantab.net