From superaorta at gmail.com Tue Oct 4 02:37:06 2022 From: superaorta at gmail.com (superaorta@gmail.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Dumb question about flags Message-ID: <12066256.O9o76ZdvQC@lunesta> The flags shown in the message index seem to have a hierarchy with D covering F and F covering A etc. How do I see all the flags? for instance I might want to know if I have previously "A" answered a message that I've subsequently "F" forwarded... Also how do I see this in the message text window? From orion at nwra.com Thu Oct 6 07:55:39 2022 From: orion at nwra.com (Orion Poplawski) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Cannot use OAuth2 authorize method Message-ID: <2ae81078-b986-523c-55a7-f3e68276daf3@nwra.com> I'm trying to use the OAuth2 authorize method, but after signing in I get: Sorry, but we?re having trouble signing you in. AADSTS50011: The redirect URI 'http://localhost' specified in the request does not match the redirect URIs configured for the application 'f21dcaf2-8020-469b-8135-343bfc35d046'. Make sure the redirect URI sent in the request matches one added to your application in the Azure portal. Navigate to https://aka.ms/redirectUriMismatchError to learn more about how to fix this. I have the Alpine app registered to our organization in our azure portal, but I don't see anywhere where I can change (or even see) the redirect URI for it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Orion Poplawski he/him/his - surely the least important thing about me IT Systems Manager 720-772-5637 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion@nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 https://www.nwra.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3847 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From robin.listas at telefonica.net Thu Oct 6 09:48:50 2022 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Cannot use OAuth2 authorize method In-Reply-To: <2ae81078-b986-523c-55a7-f3e68276daf3@nwra.com> References: <2ae81078-b986-523c-55a7-f3e68276daf3@nwra.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2022-10-06 at 08:55 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > I'm trying to use the OAuth2 authorize method, but after signing in I get: > > Sorry, but we?re having trouble signing you in. > > AADSTS50011: The redirect URI 'http://localhost' specified in the request > does not match the redirect URIs configured for the application > 'f21dcaf2-8020-469b-8135-343bfc35d046'. Make sure the redirect URI sent in > the request matches one added to your application in the Azure portal. > Navigate to https://aka.ms/redirectUriMismatchError to learn more about how > to fix this. > > I have the Alpine app registered to our organization in our azure portal, but > I don't see anywhere where I can change (or even see) the redirect URI for > it. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Did you read the link in the error message? It seems to indicate that something has to be done by the administrator. There is a video, too. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHoEARECADoWIQQZEb51mJKK1KpcU/W1MxgcbY1H1QUCYz8G8xwccm9iaW4ubGlz dGFzQHRlbGVmb25pY2EubmV0AAoJELUzGBxtjUfVm3oAn0/RXAq5yKsM5EdCa02v ASUzEvQ3AJ98lOlhtFOzw7aY3M6ZZfxx7+bLlQ== =GPUj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From orion at nwra.com Thu Oct 6 10:20:54 2022 From: orion at nwra.com (Orion Poplawski) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Cannot use OAuth2 authorize method In-Reply-To: References: <2ae81078-b986-523c-55a7-f3e68276daf3@nwra.com> Message-ID: <8d879093-077f-abb5-916f-b38cff928a93@nwra.com> On 10/6/22 10:48, Carlos E. R. wrote: > > > On Thursday, 2022-10-06 at 08:55 -0600, Orion Poplawski wrote: > >> I'm trying to use the OAuth2 authorize method, but after signing in I get: > >> Sorry, but we?re having trouble signing you in. > >> AADSTS50011: The redirect URI 'http://localhost' specified in the request >> does not match the redirect URIs configured for the application >> 'f21dcaf2-8020-469b-8135-343bfc35d046'. Make sure the redirect URI sent in >> the request matches one added to your application in the Azure portal. >> Navigate to https://aka.ms/redirectUriMismatchError to learn more about how >> to fix this. > >> I have the Alpine app registered to our organization in our azure portal, >> but I don't see anywhere where I can change (or even see) the redirect URI >> for it. > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Did you read the link in the error message? It seems to indicate that > something has to be done by the administrator. There is a video, too. This issue is I believe the author of the application has to make that change. As a mere consumer I don't have access to the authentication blade. -- Orion Poplawski IT Systems Manager 720-772-5637 NWRA, Boulder/CoRA Office FAX: 303-415-9702 3380 Mitchell Lane orion@nwra.com Boulder, CO 80301 https://www.nwra.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 3847 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Thu Oct 6 18:58:30 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Cannot use OAuth2 authorize method In-Reply-To: <2ae81078-b986-523c-55a7-f3e68276daf3@nwra.com> References: <2ae81078-b986-523c-55a7-f3e68276daf3@nwra.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Oct 2022, Orion Poplawski wrote: > I'm trying to use the OAuth2 authorize method, but after signing in I get: > > Sorry, but we?re having trouble signing you in. > > AADSTS50011: The redirect URI 'http://localhost' specified in the > request does not match the redirect URIs configured for the application > 'f21dcaf2-8020-469b-8135-343bfc35d046'. Make sure the redirect URI sent > in the request matches one added to your application in the Azure > portal. Navigate to https://aka.ms/redirectUriMismatchError to learn > more about how to fix this. Dear Orion, The client-id you are using was the one I registered, and that was registered to use the Device flow, and you are trying to use it with the Authorize flow. That is the problem. You need to use a client-id that is configured to use the Authorize flow. If you want to use the Authorize flow take a look the following page https://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~jacobd/posts/2022/03/configure-mutt-to-work-with-oauth-20/ -- Eduardo From pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 08:02:30 2022 From: pierre.frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine Message-ID: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> hi, when I send? a mail with alpine to somebody@gmail.com, it arrives with "frenkiel@gmail.com" as sender, but the replies are sent to "pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com". It looks like a bug, unless somebody can tell me what I do wrong.... If I send with alpine? to somebody@laposte.net, it is tagged as spam. I'll try to ask why to the laposte people Now, when I send with thunderbird: - the sender is pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com, but somebody@gmail.com arrives in the recipient's mailbox, but somebody@laposte.net is stilL tagged as spam.. we live in a modern age! best regards PS: this mail is sent with thunderbird From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Sun Oct 9 08:43:56 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > when I send? a mail with alpine to somebody@gmail.com, it arrives with > "frenkiel@gmail.com" as sender, but the replies > > are sent to "pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com". It looks like a bug, unless > somebody can tell me what I do wrong.... If you have an account with username "somebody@gmail.com", then when you login to the SMTP server to send that message you should login with that username instead of using pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com. Google rewrites your From header to match the address that you use to login to the SMTP server, which is pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com. This is a Google thing. Some other services refuse to send your email under the same situation (From header does not match user login). My thinking is that your issues would be solved if you create a role for each username and use the correct role for sending email. -- Eduardo From frenkiel at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 11:15:33 2022 From: frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> I don't really understand your reply: I don't have a somebody@gmail.com account. somebody@gmail.com is the recipient address to which I send the mail I don't login to send the message, I just type "alpine somebody@gmail.com" Pierre Frenkiel On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > >> when I send? a mail with alpine to somebody@gmail.com, it arrives with >> "frenkiel@gmail.com" as sender, but the replies >> >> are sent to "pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com". It looks like a bug, unless >> somebody can tell me what I do wrong.... > > If you have an account with username "somebody@gmail.com", then when you > login to the SMTP server to send that message you should login with that > username instead of using pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com. Google rewrites your > From header to match the address that you use to login to the SMTP server, > which is pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com. This is a Google thing. Some other > services refuse to send your email under the same situation (From header does > not match user login). > > My thinking is that your issues would be solved if you create a role for each > username and use the correct role for sending email. > > -- > Eduardo From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sun Oct 9 11:46:08 2022 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2022-10-09 20:15, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > I don't really understand your reply: > I don't have a somebody@gmail.com account. somebody@gmail.com is the > recipient address to which I send the mail > I don't login to send the message, I just type "alpine somebody@gmail.com" You do not login, but Alpine needs to login somewhere to be able to send. And uses whatever identity you told it to use. You can follow the "received" headers in your post you sent to the mail list to find out what happened. First one is at the bottom. Received: from pfr2 (unknown [91.175.65.3]) by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7661913F8C8; Sun, 9 Oct 2022 20:15:33 +0200 (CEST) Means that machine pfr2 sent to smtp3-g21.free.fr. This first step required some ID. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 209 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From robin.listas at telefonica.net Sun Oct 9 11:55:48 2022 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 2022-10-09 20:46, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2022-10-09 20:15, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: >> I don't really understand your reply: >> I don't have a somebody@gmail.com account. somebody@gmail.com is the >> recipient address to which I send the mail >> I don't login to send the message, I just type "alpine >> somebody@gmail.com" > > You do not login, but Alpine needs to login somewhere to be able to > send. And uses whatever identity you told it to use. > > > You can follow the "received" headers in your post you sent to the mail > list to find out what happened. > > First one is at the bottom. > > Received: from pfr2 (unknown [91.175.65.3]) > ????by smtp3-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7661913F8C8; > ????Sun,? 9 Oct 2022 20:15:33 +0200 (CEST) > > > Means that machine pfr2 sent to smtp3-g21.free.fr. This first step > required some ID. Oh, I forgot. free.fr is not authorized by google to send mail using gmail addresses, so when you send emails using that server, do not be surprised that some recipients treat you as spammer. Look it up: SPF, dmarc, DKIM, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 209 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From frenkiel at gmail.com Sun Oct 9 14:07:24 2022 From: frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ee66cc-f461-4cbc-4d78-c3217971cae3@gmail.com> I think I'll abandon alpine for sending mails, as I don't have too much time to spend investigating uncomprehensible behaviours, and use thunderbird, which is much more user-friendly Thamks for your cooperation Pierre Frenkiel On Sun, 9 Oct 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi, > > when I send? a mail with alpine to somebody@gmail.com, it arrives with > "frenkiel@gmail.com" as sender, but the replies > > are sent to "pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com". It looks like a bug, unless somebody > can tell me what I do wrong.... > > If I send with alpine? to somebody@laposte.net, it is tagged as spam. I'll > try to ask why to the laposte people > > Now, when I send with thunderbird: > > - the sender is pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com, but > > somebody@gmail.com arrives in the recipient's mailbox, but > somebody@laposte.net is stilL tagged as spam.. > > we live in a modern age! > > best regards > > PS: this mail is sent with thunderbird > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From chime at hubert-humphrey.com Mon Oct 10 09:12:48 2022 From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? Message-ID: Well, I am trying to open alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.dance in alpine. Yes it crashes with the following: [Opening "alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.dance" ... ] Problem detected: "Bad msgno 1000001 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 1000000, mbx={news.ord.giganews.com:119/nntp/readonly/user="gn319759"}#news.alt.binaries.soun". Alpine Exiting. Attempting to save debug file to /home/chime/.pine-crash Abort Back again live, in looking over that crash log, it mentions 08:36:53.303884: IMAP 08:36:53 10/10 mm_log error: Mailbox has more messages (1819586) exist than maximum (1000000) 08:36:53.303896: q_status_message(Folder has more messages (1819586) exist than maximum (1000000)) Back again live, so are their either an article number limit or total number of articles in a group limit? And more importantly, can I get around these? Thanks so much in advance Chime From andrew at aitchison.me.uk Mon Oct 10 09:33:12 2022 From: andrew at aitchison.me.uk (Andrew C Aitchison) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56ef2853-dfb-f6d-cc87-ecb5834e586a@aitchison.me.uk> On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Chime Hart wrote: > Well, I am trying to open alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.dance in alpine. Yes it > crashes with the following: > [Opening "alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.dance" ... ] > > Problem detected: "Bad msgno 1000001 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 1000000, > mbx={news.ord.giganews.com:119/nntp/readonly/user="gn319759"}#news.alt.binaries.soun". > Alpine Exiting. > > > Attempting to save debug file to /home/chime/.pine-crash > > Abort > Back again live, in looking over that crash log, it mentions > 08:36:53.303884: IMAP 08:36:53 10/10 mm_log error: Mailbox has more messages > (1819586) exist than maximum (1000000) > 08:36:53.303896: q_status_message(Folder has more messages (1819586) exist > than maximum (1000000)) > Back again live, so are their either an article number limit or total number > of articles in a group limit? And more importantly, can I get around these? > Thanks so much in advance > Chime I would try changing the value of MAXMESSAGES in imap/src/c-client/mail.h line 47: grep -3n MAXMESSAGES /home/src/redhat/BUILD/alpine-2.26/imap/src/c-client/mail.h 44- * so this is actually len+1. */ 45-#define MAXAUTHENTICATORS 8 /* maximum number of SASL authenticators */ 46- /* maximum number of messages */ 47:#define MAXMESSAGES (unsigned long) 1000000 48-#define MAXLOGINTRIALS 3 /* maximum number of client login attempts */ 49-#define MAXWILDCARDS 10 /* maximum wildcards allowed in LIST/LSUB */ 50- -- Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK andrew@aitchison.me.uk From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Mon Oct 10 09:50:57 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Chime Hart wrote: > Well, I am trying to open alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.dance in alpine. Yes it > crashes with the following: > [Opening "alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.dance" ... ] > > Problem detected: "Bad msgno 1000001 in mail_elt, nmsgs = 1000000, > mbx={news.ord.giganews.com:119/nntp/readonly/user="gn319759"}#news.alt.binaries.soun". > Alpine Exiting. Ouch, yes, you hit an issue with limits in the c-client library (which is what Alpine is built upon). One million messages is all that the c-client libray supports. I am not sure where that limit comes from and I have never investigated it, but that is your problem here. > Back again live, so are their either an article number limit or total > number of articles in a group limit? And more importantly, can I get > around these? Thanks so much in advance Chime Yes, you can get around this. Press M S C and look for "NNTP range" and set it to the number of messages that you want to see in the newsgroup. A sensible number would be 500, say, to see the last 500 messages posted in the newsgroup. I hope this helps. -- Eduardo From chime at hubert-humphrey.com Mon Oct 10 10:17:11 2022 From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16ff64fe-5d56-95aa-2039-934452157a4a@hubert-humphrey.com> Thank you Andrew-and-Eduardo, will examin both your solutions. I will need to confirm that a range option will actually display the most recent postings? Seems many years ago, I tried it-and-I wasn't sure, but also, it seemingly didn't mark articles as read. Chime From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Mon Oct 10 11:03:53 2022 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? In-Reply-To: <16ff64fe-5d56-95aa-2039-934452157a4a@hubert-humphrey.com> References: <16ff64fe-5d56-95aa-2039-934452157a4a@hubert-humphrey.com> Message-ID: <13dba1c7-9eed-eb4e-e5fa-5e8ad60b3779@yandex.com> On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Chime Hart wrote: > Thank you Andrew-and-Eduardo, will examin both your solutions. I will need to > confirm that a range option will actually display the most recent postings? > Seems many years ago, I tried it-and-I wasn't sure, but also, it seemingly > didn't mark articles as read. Articles are never marked as "read" in newsgroups in Alpine. In many newsreaders as soon as a message is read it is removed from your view forever, even though the message still exists in the server, but you cannot retrieve it anymore. In contrast, Alpine allows you to read a message as many times as you want, but only if it is available on the server, or you have marked it as "deleted and later expunge it". Also, the nntp-range option refers to the last messages in the server. The rest of the messages in the server will not be visible in Alpine. -- Eduardo From mattack at apple.com Mon Oct 10 17:33:36 2022 From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45E056FD-4901-4845-BD37-D85332D840DC@apple.com> Is it different if you run alpine and go into the full UI and send mail that way? (You can manually set From in there too..) BTW, you say you don't have a gmail.com account, but the message I'm responding to says it's from frenkiel@gmail.com and the original message in the thread says it's from pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com From robin.listas at telefonica.net Mon Oct 10 18:45:36 2022 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <45E056FD-4901-4845-BD37-D85332D840DC@apple.com> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> <45E056FD-4901-4845-BD37-D85332D840DC@apple.com> Message-ID: <549935f3-26bb-7d02-f672-dd80b6b54779@telefonica.net> On 2022-10-11 02:33, Matt Ackeret wrote: > Is it different if you run alpine and go into the full UI and send mail that way? (You can manually set From in there too..) > > > BTW, you say you don't have a gmail.com account, but the message I'm responding to says it's from frenkiel@gmail.com and the original message in the thread says it's from pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com And sending an email with a gmail adress, but not using gmail own servers, is "prohibited", so they label him as spammer. Doesn't matter if you use alpine or thunderbird or whatever. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 209 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Mon Oct 10 12:25:40 2022 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? In-Reply-To: <13dba1c7-9eed-eb4e-e5fa-5e8ad60b3779@yandex.com> References: <13dba1c7-9eed-eb4e-e5fa-5e8ad60b3779@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 10 Oct 2022, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > Articles are never marked as "read" in newsgroups in Alpine. In many > newsreaders as soon as a message is read it is removed from your view > forever, even though the message still exists in the server, I am one of the few who still reads Usenet NGs. I use alpine, and I have configured it in "catchall mode". Essentially I press D to "mark for deletion" all messages I read except those pending for replies, or my latest replies. Autoexpunge on exit. If I want to go back to an older message still on the server, I press & and wait patiently. After a while I can see the old ones, tagged "D" and eventually Undelete a few. From chime at hubert-humphrey.com Tue Oct 11 08:29:51 2022 From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Are Their Hard Limits in News Group Articles? In-Reply-To: References: <13dba1c7-9eed-eb4e-e5fa-5e8ad60b3779@yandex.com> Message-ID: Well, first of all, Eduardo, thank you, you are certainly correct about "range" showing most recent. Interesting no mentions of range in an alpine man-page. In that dance binary group, I set the range at 9999 and worked through items, exporting groups of messages to a file. I wish I could remember that complicated sequence of piping articles to uudeview, as it has yenc support? And what would I put in range to see an article number 98193865? Next, it might have been Andrew? I fixed up my sources list-and-built 2.26. Several of those items you were suggesting were commented out, so I fixed them. Thank you. And lastly, at a time seemingly long ago we had both pine-and-trn tracking articles so that as I read or deleted, both were showing the same up2date items. Certainly would like to do that again. Thanks in advance Chime From frenkiel at gmail.com Wed Oct 12 01:55:46 2022 From: frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <549935f3-26bb-7d02-f672-dd80b6b54779@telefonica.net> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> <45E056FD-4901-4845-BD37-D85332D840DC@apple.com> <549935f3-26bb-7d02-f672-dd80b6b54779@telefonica.net> Message-ID: <2e128e1-3597-a49b-2c5e-1fa9b6c62e@gmail.com> wrong: I have no such problem with thunderbird BTW: how to use "gmail own servers" ? Pierre Frenkiel On Tue, 11 Oct 2022, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2022-10-11 02:33, Matt Ackeret wrote: >> Is it different if you run alpine and go into the full UI and send mail >> that way? (You can manually set From in there too..) >> >> >> BTW, you say you don't have a gmail.com account, but the message I'm >> responding to says it's from frenkiel@gmail.com and the original message in >> the thread says it's from pierre.frenkiel@gmail.com > > And sending an email with a gmail adress, but not using gmail own servers, is > "prohibited", so they label him as spammer. Doesn't matter if you use alpine > or thunderbird or whatever. > > -- > Cheers / Saludos, > > Carlos E. R. > (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) > > From robin.listas at telefonica.net Wed Oct 12 02:14:45 2022 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <2e128e1-3597-a49b-2c5e-1fa9b6c62e@gmail.com> References: <2ba32369-de05-11f5-b448-8d608b946429@gmail.com> <82233959-963d-2d98-4a9b-cb800399c6a@gmail.com> <45E056FD-4901-4845-BD37-D85332D840DC@apple.com> <549935f3-26bb-7d02-f672-dd80b6b54779@telefonica.net> <2e128e1-3597-a49b-2c5e-1fa9b6c62e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ff56ba7-37d7-dc30-06cb-7fac9dc1f548@telefonica.net> On 2022-10-12 10:55, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > wrong: I have no such problem with thunderbird Yes, you have. I can see it in your headers. As evidenced here: X-TnetIn-SpamCheck: no es spam, 3, clean DKIM_NONE SPF_SOFTFAIL . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .************** The problem is explained in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sender_Policy_Framework https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail cer@Telcontar:~> nslookup -type=txt gmail.com Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: gmail.com text = "globalsign-smime-dv=CDYX+XFHUw2wml6/Gb8+59BsH31KzUr6c1l2BPvqKX8=" gmail.com text = "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.google.com" Authoritative answers can be found from: cer@Telcontar:~> nslookup -type=txt _spf.google.com Server: 127.0.0.1 Address: 127.0.0.1#53 Non-authoritative answer: _spf.google.com text = "v=spf1 include:_netblocks.google.com include:_netblocks2.google.com include:_netblocks3.google.com ~all" Authoritative answers can be found from: cer@Telcontar:~> So, "~ALL". ALL Matches always; used for a default result like -all for all IPs not matched by prior mechanisms. ~ (tilde) for SOFTFAIL, a debugging aid between NEUTRAL and FAIL. Typically, messages that return a SOFTFAIL are accepted but tagged. We are lucky that they are not in enforce mode. > BTW: how to use "gmail own servers" ? You are using free.fr to send this email (smarthost configuration, probably). You have to use gmail.com instead. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.3 x86_64 at Telcontar) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 209 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Thu Oct 13 11:26:40 2022 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] sending mails with alpine In-Reply-To: <2e128e1-3597-a49b-2c5e-1fa9b6c62e@gmail.com> References: <2e128e1-3597-a49b-2c5e-1fa9b6c62e@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Oct 2022, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > BTW: how to use "gmail own servers" ? My default configuration does not use them, but uses the old institute SMTP server and my From is my old institute.inaf.it, which comes back via Gsuite. If I want I can also send as "user@inaf.it" (which is managed nby Gsuite) simply editing the From line. USUALLY this gives me no problem as we are authorized by our Gsuite contract to use all our old and new official domains. However *occasionally* some external users may flag such mail as spam, or I may have reasons of my own to use "gmail own servers" (Gsuite is the paid version), e.g. oif pur SMTP is down for maintenance. To do that I have created a ROLE (M S R R) called Gsuite, and I send using such role. The key lines of the role are (for me) >From pattern = lucio.chiappetti@inaf.it Use SMTP Server = smtp.gmail.com/submit/user=lucio.chiappetti@inaf.it You should replace my institutional address with your gmail address, and you are done. Ypou can switch roles whenever you want. From ifettich at netsoft.ro Mon Oct 31 05:27:44 2022 From: ifettich at netsoft.ro (Iosif Fettich) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Cannot compile alpine 2.26 on Fedora 36 Message-ID: <6831ea2-77c-c724-795b-f66858458fa4@netsoft.ro> Hi, after downloading the .xz archive, when I try to ./configure within the alpine-2.26 directory, I get [...] checking for hunspell... hunspell checking for hunspell... /usr/bin/hunspell configure: * * * Setting up .alpine.passfile as default password file configure: --with-passfile definition overrides OS-Specific password caching checking for setupterm in -ltinfo... no checking for setupterm in -lncurses... no checking for setupterm in -lcurses... no checking for tgetent in -ltermlib... no checking for tgetent in -ltermcap... no configure: error: Terminfo/termcap not found That's on an up-to-date Fedora 36 system. Any clue on what is actually needed to solve this...? Thank you, Iosif Fettich From ifettich at netsoft.ro Mon Oct 31 06:13:20 2022 From: ifettich at netsoft.ro (Iosif Fettich) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Cannot compile alpine 2.26 on Fedora 36 In-Reply-To: <6831ea2-77c-c724-795b-f66858458fa4@netsoft.ro> References: <6831ea2-77c-c724-795b-f66858458fa4@netsoft.ro> Message-ID: <48f3e4b8-4bb7-63f-6e65-34124a617e2a@netsoft.ro> Hi there once more, just to answer my own question. The solution apparently was to install ncurses-devel: # dnf install ncurses-devel Afther this, I was able to /configure and make without errors and I get $ ./alpine/alpine -v Alpine 2.26 (LFD 649 2022-06-02) built Mon Oct 31 15:06:25 EET 2022 on pony.netsoft.ro So all is well so far, thank you. Iosif Fettich On Mon, 31 Oct 2022, Iosif Fettich wrote: > Hi, > > after downloading the .xz archive, when I try to ./configure within the > alpine-2.26 directory, I get > > [...] > checking for hunspell... hunspell > checking for hunspell... /usr/bin/hunspell > configure: * * * Setting up .alpine.passfile as default password file > configure: --with-passfile definition overrides OS-Specific password caching > checking for setupterm in -ltinfo... no > checking for setupterm in -lncurses... no > checking for setupterm in -lcurses... no > checking for tgetent in -ltermlib... no > checking for tgetent in -ltermcap... no > configure: error: Terminfo/termcap not found > > That's on an up-to-date Fedora 36 system. > > Any clue on what is actually needed to solve this...? > > Thank you, > > Iosif Fettich > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > >