From info at simonh.uk  Tue May  2 06:29:47 2023
From: info at simonh.uk (Simon Harrison)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
Message-ID: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>

Is it possible to show the date received column in this
format:

YYYY-MM-DD

Thanks

Simon

From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it  Tue May  2 06:42:20 2023
From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] newsserver password
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305021519020.15817@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>

Due to the failure of the AIOE newsserver I was using, I moved to another 
news server which requires username and password.

I tried touch .pine-passfile and now it offers to save the pwd on disk, 
but requires the generation of a master password, and asks all the times
Enter password of key <MasterPassword> to unlock password file

De facto this replaces an annoyance with another annoyance. I mean, I 
always have to give a pwd ... so just keep the original.

I read the doc on https://alpineapp.email/, tried also with
[X]  S/MIME -- Turn off S/MIME
hoping the weaker encryption would do the trick, but the result is the 
same

BTW this is Alpine 2.22 bundled with Xubuntu at home.
At work I have 2.21 built from source with "all patches", I believe.
I never bothered to recomoile at home (for real mail I use the office 
machine). Would be availalbe to recompile if there woyuld be a patch to 
suppress the pwd prompt.

BTW where are the ALPINE patches on https://alpineapp.email/ ?
The patch section still has references to Pine.

Thanks
-- 
Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy)
For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------
A middle rank researcher at end career is not rich but is in the top 5%
of the Italian income tax taxpayers. Does it not sound strange ?

From alpine.chappa at yandex.com  Tue May  2 06:55:46 2023
From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
Message-ID: <4a814313-d787-6f04-7215-e755b9fb768c@yandex.com>

On Tue, 2 May 2023, Simon Harrison wrote:

> Is it possible to show the date received column in this
> format:
>
> YYYY-MM-DD

Yes. Press M S C and go to "Index Format", there press "?" for help and 
copy the default into the field and replace the original value of 
SMARTDATETIME24 token by DATEISO.

-- 
Eduardo

From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Tue May  2 07:02:45 2023
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:32 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
Message-ID: <e036c0a5-2ad4-e5f4-2cd0-fd33f3616154@telefonica.net>

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On Tuesday, 2023-05-02 at 14:29 +0100, Simon Harrison wrote:

El 2023-05-02 a las 14:29 +0100, Simon Harrison escribi?:

> Is it possible to show the date received column in this
> format:
>
> YYYY-MM-DD

I have YY-MM-DD in the index.

   Index Format                      = STATUS MSGNO SHORTDATEISO TIME24 FROM(20%) ADDRESSTO(10%) SIZE SUBJECT(75%)

Produces:

     8482 23-05-02 14:29 Simon Harrison            alpine-info@  (8499) [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?


You can change SHORTDATEISO with LONG... (I did not verify)

and:

   Reply Leadin                      = El _DATEISO_ a las _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ escribi?:





I also have a role, in which:

Set Template    = .pinetemplate.english


cer@Telcontar:~> cat .pinetemplate.english

On _DAYOFWEEK_, _DATEISO_ at _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ wrote:
cer@Telcontar:~>


cer@Telcontar:~> cat .pinetemplate.spanish

El _DATEISO_ at _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ escribi?:
cer@Telcontar:~>




- -- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E. R.
        (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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From frenkiel at gmail.com  Tue May  2 07:15:33 2023
From: frenkiel at gmail.com (Pierre Frenkiel)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <e036c0a5-2ad4-e5f4-2cd0-fd33f3616154@telefonica.net>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
	<e036c0a5-2ad4-e5f4-2cd0-fd33f3616154@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <a1f57109-e5d8-d9ad-2af1-a97b78897dd1@gmail.com>

On alpine, I have:

On Tuesday, 2023-05-02 at 14:29 +0100, Simon Harrison wrote:

cheers,
Pierre Frenkiel


From info at simonh.uk  Tue May  2 07:17:12 2023
From: info at simonh.uk (Simon Harrison)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <e036c0a5-2ad4-e5f4-2cd0-fd33f3616154@telefonica.net>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
	<e036c0a5-2ad4-e5f4-2cd0-fd33f3616154@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <20230502151712.39ad9e6d@jupiter>

On Tue, 2 May 2023 16:02:45 +0200 (CEST)
"Carlos E. R." <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:

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> 
> 
> On Tuesday, 2023-05-02 at 14:29 +0100, Simon Harrison wrote:
> 
> El 2023-05-02 a las 14:29 +0100, Simon Harrison escribi?:
> 
> > Is it possible to show the date received column in this
> > format:
> >
> > YYYY-MM-DD  
> 
> I have YY-MM-DD in the index.
> 
>    Index Format                      = STATUS MSGNO SHORTDATEISO
> TIME24 FROM(20%) ADDRESSTO(10%) SIZE SUBJECT(75%)
> 
> Produces:
> 
>      8482 23-05-02 14:29 Simon Harrison            alpine-info@
> (8499) [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
> 
> 
> You can change SHORTDATEISO with LONG... (I did not verify)
> 
> and:
> 
>    Reply Leadin                      = El _DATEISO_ a las _TIME24_
> _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ escribi?:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I also have a role, in which:
> 
> Set Template    = .pinetemplate.english
> 
> 
> cer@Telcontar:~> cat .pinetemplate.english  
> 
> On _DAYOFWEEK_, _DATEISO_ at _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ wrote:
> cer@Telcontar:~>  
> 
> 
> cer@Telcontar:~> cat .pinetemplate.spanish  
> 
> El _DATEISO_ at _TIME24_ _TIMEZONE_, _FROM_ escribi?:
> cer@Telcontar:~>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - -- 
> Cheers,
>         Carlos E. R.
>         (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)
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Thanks Carlos. I'll have to look at templates next.

Simon

From bret at busby.net  Tue May  2 08:03:40 2023
From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <4a814313-d787-6f04-7215-e755b9fb768c@yandex.com>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
	<4a814313-d787-6f04-7215-e755b9fb768c@yandex.com>
Message-ID: <df754583-b38e-a037-8f5e-ca15780b1f1a@busby.net>

On 2/5/23 21:55, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
> On Tue, 2 May 2023, Simon Harrison wrote:
> 
>> Is it possible to show the date received column in this
>> format:
>>
>> YYYY-MM-DD
> 
> Yes. Press M S C and go to "Index Format", there press "?" for help and 
> copy the default into the field and replace the original value of 
> SMARTDATETIME24 token by DATEISO.
> 
In the available tokens, is SMARTDATETIMEISO24 , but, it does not 
display the date in the ISO format.

Would it be possible, for the next release of alpine, to add a token 
that displays the date in the ISO format, and, for all messages, the 
time, in 24 hour format format; for example, DATEISOTIME24, or, 
DATETIMEISO24 ?

One advantage of this, would be that, when a daily, or, otherwise 
event-driven, no more than once daily, message is sent, it would mean 
that monitoring the time of day that the message gets sent, when it gets 
sent - for example, my Post Office Box has the facility where I get 
notified by email, when mail is available for collection from the Post 
Office Box, and, having time display, for all days, would enable 
monitoring, by viewing the folder message index, of the time of day, 
that the message has a history of being sent.

That, in conjunction with the message dates displayed in the index, in 
ISO format,would be useful.

Thank you in anticipation.

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............


From bret at busby.net  Tue May  2 08:24:04 2023
From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <df754583-b38e-a037-8f5e-ca15780b1f1a@busby.net>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
	<4a814313-d787-6f04-7215-e755b9fb768c@yandex.com>
	<df754583-b38e-a037-8f5e-ca15780b1f1a@busby.net>
Message-ID: <a3db7596-2b04-d4c1-742e-263d82119400@busby.net>

On 2/5/23 23:03, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 2/5/23 21:55, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 May 2023, Simon Harrison wrote:
>>
>>> Is it possible to show the date received column in this
>>> format:
>>>
>>> YYYY-MM-DD
>>
>> Yes. Press M S C and go to "Index Format", there press "?" for help 
>> and copy the default into the field and replace the original value of 
>> SMARTDATETIME24 token by DATEISO.
>>
> In the available tokens, is SMARTDATETIMEISO24 , but, it does not 
> display the date in the ISO format.
> 
> Would it be possible, for the next release of alpine, to add a token 
> that displays the date in the ISO format, and, for all messages, the 
> time, in 24 hour format format; for example, DATEISOTIME24, or, 
> DATETIMEISO24 ?
> 
> One advantage of this, would be that, when a daily, or, otherwise 
> event-driven, no more than once daily, message is sent, it would mean 
> that monitoring the time of day that the message gets sent, when it gets 
> sent - for example, my Post Office Box has the facility where I get 
> notified by email, when mail is available for collection from the Post 
> Office Box, and, having time display, for all days, would enable 
> monitoring, by viewing the folder message index, of the time of day, 
> that the message has a history of being sent.
> 
> That, in conjunction with the message dates displayed in the index, in 
> ISO format,would be useful.
> 
> Thank you in anticipation.
> 

I think that I have worked it out; I have
STATUS MSGNO DATEISO TIME24 FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJKEY(67%)

That pretty much achieves (for me) an ideal index display (as much as 
can be obtained in the current incarnation of the software - a 
particular functionality was lost between a couple of previous versions).

...
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............


From bret at busby.net  Tue May  2 10:24:41 2023
From: bret at busby.net (Bret Busby)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] YYYY-MM-DD Date Format?
In-Reply-To: <a3db7596-2b04-d4c1-742e-263d82119400@busby.net>
References: <20230502142947.483a9495@jupiter>
	<4a814313-d787-6f04-7215-e755b9fb768c@yandex.com>
	<df754583-b38e-a037-8f5e-ca15780b1f1a@busby.net>
	<a3db7596-2b04-d4c1-742e-263d82119400@busby.net>
Message-ID: <a3b3d18f-667c-30d4-27f0-79e1007382e1@busby.net>

On 2/5/23 23:24, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 2/5/23 23:03, Bret Busby wrote:
>> On 2/5/23 21:55, Eduardo Chappa wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2 May 2023, Simon Harrison wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to show the date received column in this
>>>> format:
>>>>
>>>> YYYY-MM-DD
>>>
>>> Yes. Press M S C and go to "Index Format", there press "?" for help 
>>> and copy the default into the field and replace the original value of 
>>> SMARTDATETIME24 token by DATEISO.
>>>
>> In the available tokens, is SMARTDATETIMEISO24 , but, it does not 
>> display the date in the ISO format.
>>
>> Would it be possible, for the next release of alpine, to add a token 
>> that displays the date in the ISO format, and, for all messages, the 
>> time, in 24 hour format format; for example, DATEISOTIME24, or, 
>> DATETIMEISO24 ?
>>
>> One advantage of this, would be that, when a daily, or, otherwise 
>> event-driven, no more than once daily, message is sent, it would mean 
>> that monitoring the time of day that the message gets sent, when it 
>> gets sent - for example, my Post Office Box has the facility where I 
>> get notified by email, when mail is available for collection from the 
>> Post Office Box, and, having time display, for all days, would enable 
>> monitoring, by viewing the folder message index, of the time of day, 
>> that the message has a history of being sent.
>>
>> That, in conjunction with the message dates displayed in the index, in 
>> ISO format,would be useful.
>>
>> Thank you in anticipation.
>>
> 
> I think that I have worked it out; I have
> STATUS MSGNO DATEISO TIME24 FROMORTO(33%) SIZE SUBJKEY(67%)
> 
> That pretty much achieves (for me) an ideal index display (as much as 
> can be obtained in the current incarnation of the software - a 
> particular functionality was lost between a couple of previous versions).
> 

One thing that I did find, is that the TIMEZONE token appears to not 
work - it displays the timezone of "-0000", regardless of either the 
timezone of from whence the message was sent, or, the timezone of the 
receiving computer. So, all messages, regardless of the timezone from 
which they originate, and, regardless of the timezone of the computer 
receiving the messages, have the timezone displayed, of "-0000".

..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..............


From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Tue May  2 13:02:36 2023
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] newsserver password
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305021519020.15817@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
References: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305021519020.15817@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
Message-ID: <e29aa37a-b13c-84f4-ef8a-21eccc15658c@telefonica.net>

On 2023-05-02 15:42, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:
> Due to the failure of the AIOE newsserver I was using, I moved to 
> another news server which requires username and password.
> 
> I tried touch .pine-passfile and now it offers to save the pwd on disk, 
> but requires the generation of a master password, and asks all the times
> Enter password of key <MasterPassword> to unlock password file
> 
> De facto this replaces an annoyance with another annoyance. I mean, I 
> always have to give a pwd ... so just keep the original.

I suppose it is the same master password for email as for news. I just 
enter that master password, for email, just once.

I have two files:

  rw------- 1 cer users     1814 Apr 12 11:49 .pinepw
-rw------- 1 cer users    55941 Apr 11 08:44 .pinerc

There is also a directory, but I can't find it or its name. Ah, 
".alpine-smime/"

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Tue May  2 13:53:30 2023
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] newsserver password
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305021519020.15817@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
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El 2023-05-02 a las 15:42 +0200, Lucio Chiappetti escribi?:

> Due to the failure of the AIOE newsserver I was using, I moved to another 
> news server which requires username and password.
>
> I tried touch .pine-passfile and now it offers to save the pwd on disk, but 
> requires the generation of a master password, and asks all the times
> Enter password of key <MasterPassword> to unlock password file
>
> De facto this replaces an annoyance with another annoyance. I mean, I always 
> have to give a pwd ... so just keep the original.

I suppose it is the same master password for email as for news. I just 
enter that master password, for email, just once.

I don't remember how I did it, though. It just works and keep working 
(form email, I don't use news on Alpine).


- -- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E. R.
        (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Tue May  2 14:10:00 2023
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] newsserver password
In-Reply-To: <e29aa37a-b13c-84f4-ef8a-21eccc15658c@telefonica.net>
References: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305021519020.15817@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
	<e29aa37a-b13c-84f4-ef8a-21eccc15658c@telefonica.net>
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On Tuesday, 2023-05-02 at 22:02 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> rw------- 1 cer users     1814 Apr 12 11:49 .pinepw
> -rw------- 1 cer users    55941 Apr 11 08:44 .pinerc
>
> There is also a directory, but I can't find it or its name. Ah, 
> ".alpine-smime/"

Oops. I sent one of the drafts by accident.

- -- 
Cheers,
        Carlos E. R.
        (from openSUSE 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it  Wed May  3 12:52:08 2023
From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] newsserver password
In-Reply-To: <e29aa37a-b13c-84f4-ef8a-21eccc15658c@telefonica.net>
References: <e29aa37a-b13c-84f4-ef8a-21eccc15658c@telefonica.net>
Message-ID: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305032137050.32154@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>

On Tue, 2 May 2023, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> On 2023-05-02 15:42, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:

>> I tried touch .pine-passfile and now it offers to save the pwd on disk,
>> but requires the generation of a master password, and asks all the times
>> Enter password of key <MasterPassword> to unlock password file

> I suppose it is the same master password for email as for news. I just
> enter that master password, for email, just once.

I never used a master password. Neither in alpine nor in my browser (were 
I have lots of password stored)

> I have two files:
>
>  rw------- 1 cer users     1814 Apr 12 11:49 .pinepw
> -rw------- 1 cer users    55941 Apr 11 08:44 .pinerc

Of course I have .pinerc, the other is .pine-passfile (must be touched, 
and once created empty gets populated

> There is also a directory, but I can't find it or its name. Ah,
> ".alpine-smime/"

Yes, there is, it usually contains three subdir ca  private  public. If I 
accept storing password a new subdir .pw with two certificate files is 
created. Even if I keep S/Mime disabled.

Since I read news from a dedicated (local, captive) account (not to leak 
my e-mail address), I have to type either: one pwd to enter the account, 
and one pwd to enter the news collection; or one pwd to enter the account, 
and one master pwd to access the stored passwords.

So it is simpler NOT to use any stored password. The script which runs 
the local account echoes the local account password, so I can 
cut-and-paste it. And I've efined the newsserver account pwd to be the 
same plus two extra characters (length limit). so I type just those two 
chars.

That's so far my sort-of acceptable solution.

From robin.listas at telefonica.net  Wed May  3 13:39:51 2023
From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] newsserver password
In-Reply-To: <nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305032137050.32154@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
References: <e29aa37a-b13c-84f4-ef8a-21eccc15658c@telefonica.net>
	<nycvar.YFH.7.76.2305032137050.32154@cbfrvqba.ynzoengr.vans.vg>
Message-ID: <85d1171f-2528-cd92-96ff-f88e5fb76d33@telefonica.net>

On 2023-05-03 21:52, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:
> On Tue, 2 May 2023, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2023-05-02 15:42, Lucio Chiappetti wrote:
> 
>>> I tried touch .pine-passfile and now it offers to save the pwd on disk,
>>> but requires the generation of a master password, and asks all the times
>>> Enter password of key <MasterPassword> to unlock password file
> 
>> I suppose it is the same master password for email as for news. I just
>> enter that master password, for email, just once.
> 
> I never used a master password. Neither in alpine nor in my browser 
> (were I have lots of password stored)

Well, but the way that Alpine is designed to not ask for the email or 
news password, is to have a Master password. That's the way it works. 
You enter the Master password once, when you start Alpine.

-- 
Cheers / Saludos,

		Carlos E. R.
		(from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar)

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From bradcray at hpe.com  Tue May 16 18:09:55 2023
From: bradcray at hpe.com (Brad Chamberlain)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Thank goodness for alpine and this community!
Message-ID: <e9d0aa6-b7c2-f981-19b-3a5ccad341bd@hpe.com>


This is a virtually content-free message other than to thank and recognize 
those who continue to develop and support alpine, as well as this 
community for continuing to show interest in it.

Every time I fear I've lost my ability to use alpine due to a system 
configuration change, I go into a mild panic.  This time around, it 
involved using Outlook for nearly a week while I tried to determine what 
paths forward I might have that wouldn't violate new security protocols 
and configurations.  Each time I think "Tons of people use Outlook, it 
can't really be that bad can I?" and then run away screaming at how much 
less effective I am when I can't do everything from the command-line. 
Happily, I managed to get things working again, and am back to being 
productive in my inbox again.

So thanks everyone!  (and particularly Eduardo Chappa from whom I've 
personally received the most support over the past few years!)

Best wishes,
-Brad


From birnbaumsssj at panix.com  Tue May 16 18:18:23 2023
From: birnbaumsssj at panix.com (Freda B Birnbaum)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Thank goodness for alpine and this community!
In-Reply-To: <e9d0aa6-b7c2-f981-19b-3a5ccad341bd@hpe.com>
References: <e9d0aa6-b7c2-f981-19b-3a5ccad341bd@hpe.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.64.2305170114340.3078@panix3.panix.com>

On Tue, 16 May 2023, Brad Chamberlain wrote:

[...]

> So thanks everyone!  (and particularly Eduardo Chappa from whom I've 
> personally received the most support over the past few years!)

Loud cheers for Eduardo Chappa, who some years ago showed me how to make 
the transition with zillions of files and emails from a disappearing 
academic account to Panix, with SO little pain!

Freda B. Birnbaum

Call on God, but row away from the rocks.
"And yet it moves."  -- attributed to Galileo



From arifsaha at yahoo.com  Mon May  8 22:26:11 2023
From: arifsaha at yahoo.com (S P Arif Sahari Wibowo)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] --with-passfile active although not requested,
	causing configure to fail
In-Reply-To: <851158c2-d665-58aa-eeaf-afaa7f86727c@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1619.1682449343.9999.alpine-info@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
	<851158c2-d665-58aa-eeaf-afaa7f86727c@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9206296-6ffe-5ad0-48d7-deb24c4955e6@yahoo.com>

On 2023-04-26, 07:59MT, Jerry wrote:
> In the MacPorts system, the alpine port is at v2.25, which 
> does not contain that macOS compile time bug.  The bug was 
> introduced in v2.26, Eduardo has since fixed the bug, but a 
> new version has not yet been released.

Thanks for the informations!  I am using 2/25 right now. Good to 
know i is a known bug and the fix is in the distributions.

I want to try 2.26 to see if that fix my Gmail xoauth2 problem. 
I follow the instruction 
https://alpineapp.email/alpine/alpine-info/misc/RegisteringAlpineinGmail.html 
before and access to Gmail works for awhile. But suddenly it 
starts showing "Code 400: invalid_grant: Token has been expired 
or revoked" and although it says will refresh, nothing came up. 
Probably I should send another posting for this.

Thanks!

-- 
    ____  ____  ____  ____ (stephan paul) Arif Sahari Wibowo
   /___  /___/ /___/ /___      http://www.arifsaha.com/
  ____/ /     /   / ____/
  ---?---  http://www.arifsaha.com/christisrisen/  ---?---
From klewellen at shellworld.net  Thu May 18 11:08:57 2023
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] quick alpine filtering question?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>

Hi Folks,
My access and use of Alpine is tied to how Dreamhost configures the tool 
with their hosting service.
Saying that in case it impacts the answer.
Unfortunately  dreamhost does not associate a spam filter with much direct 
association with the mail clients, i. e. I cannot go through a list  and 
mark that list is not spam getting them moved back to my inbox.
Is there any way to select and forward several emails from one folder to 
another in alpine?
For example, I can in pine select and save, its one way I have moved items 
before.
Sorry if the solution is obvious, but my personal experience of alpine is 
not positive via dreamhost.  I fear risking content I cannot recover.
Thanks,
Karen



From barrylandy at cantab.net  Thu May 18 11:12:58 2023
From: barrylandy at cantab.net (Barry Landy)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Thank goodness for alpine and this community!
In-Reply-To: <e9d0aa6-b7c2-f981-19b-3a5ccad341bd@hpe.com>
References: <e9d0aa6-b7c2-f981-19b-3a5ccad341bd@hpe.com>
Message-ID: <ea5ecd90-c694-0590-0555-8edac0a26d28@cantab.net>

I am in total agreement! Thank you Eduardo. I also cant stand Outlook.

On Tue, 16 May 2023, Brad Chamberlain wrote:

:>
:>This is a virtually content-free message other than to thank and recognize
:>those who continue to develop and support alpine, as well as this community
:>for continuing to show interest in it.
:>
:>Every time I fear I've lost my ability to use alpine due to a system
:>configuration change, I go into a mild panic.  This time around, it involved
:>using Outlook for nearly a week while I tried to determine what paths forward
:>I might have that wouldn't violate new security protocols and configurations.
:>Each time I think "Tons of people use Outlook, it can't really be that bad can
:>I?" and then run away screaming at how much less effective I am when I can't
:>do everything from the command-line. Happily, I managed to get things working
:>again, and am back to being productive in my inbox again.
:>
:>So thanks everyone!  (and particularly Eduardo Chappa from whom I've
:>personally received the most support over the past few years!)
:>
:>Best wishes,
:>-Brad
:>
:>_______________________________________________
:>Alpine-info mailing list
:>Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
:>http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info
:>

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From chime at hubert-humphrey.com  Thu May 18 11:17:44 2023
From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] quick alpine filtering question?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
Message-ID: <1b20bab5-5f5b-7b04-7a04-c4e341006403@hubert-humphrey.com>

Hi Karen-and-All: Well in my setup, I can either use an "s" for save or an 
aggregate command with a semi-colon for a group of messages. I think you can 
type a control+t for a list of folders, arrow down to spam training, hit enter, 
then arrow to either spam learn or not spam.
Chime


From mepstein at illinois.edu  Thu May 18 11:49:10 2023
From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] quick alpine filtering question?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
Message-ID: <c9504725-c131-c264-e7d7-8f0dc71a0e0e@illinois.edu>

I'd think most anything you can do/could have done in pine, you can do
in alpine -- similarly if not exactly.

To select messages, while in the message index, you can use ':' to
select a particular message, the one you're on (and you can use ':'
repeatedly to select multiple messages -- if you're on a previously
selected message, ':' will unselect it), or you can use ';' to select
messages based on a certain criterion (it will ask you what criterion
to use).

Once you have your messages selected you can do 'A' (to apply an
aggregate command, i.e., to all the selected message), then 'S' to
save to a folder.  There are various ways to specify the folder.

Each screen you're on will have a few lines of help down at the bottom
(the command's keystroke and its name), and you can use 'O' to show
different lines of help.

Milt Epstein
mepstein@illinois.edu


On Thu, 18 May 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> My access and use of Alpine is tied to how Dreamhost configures the tool with
> their hosting service.
> Saying that in case it impacts the answer.
> Unfortunately  dreamhost does not associate a spam filter with much direct
> association with the mail clients, i. e. I cannot go through a list  and mark
> that list is not spam getting them moved back to my inbox.
> Is there any way to select and forward several emails from one folder to
> another in alpine?
> For example, I can in pine select and save, its one way I have moved items
> before.
> Sorry if the solution is obvious, but my personal experience of alpine is not
> positive via dreamhost.  I fear risking content I cannot recover.
> Thanks,
> Karen
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Alpine-info mailing list
> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!91kp30N8mdkft55YGqNFQatP9ZxRrdChmZ5UFMopYyYgnMTY-P0f4O5zEVqXQF1wZo-SX3u0xSUeLRPi1584OA8aFA$ 

From mattack at apple.com  Thu May 18 16:36:09 2023
From: mattack at apple.com (Matt Ackeret)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] quick alpine filtering question?
In-Reply-To: <c9504725-c131-c264-e7d7-8f0dc71a0e0e@illinois.edu>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
	<c9504725-c131-c264-e7d7-8f0dc71a0e0e@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <DCEDC1A6-2E2E-4D8B-92E5-DF8FAFBD0D9B@apple.com>



> On May 18, 2023, at 11:49 AM, Milt Epstein <mepstein@illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> I'd think most anything you can do/could have done in pine, you can do
> in alpine -- similarly if not exactly.
> 
> To select messages, while in the message index, you can use ':' to
> select a particular message, the one you're on (and you can use ':'
> repeatedly to select multiple messages -- if you're on a previously
> selected message, ':' will unselect it), or you can use ';' to select
> messages based on a certain criterion (it will ask you what criterion
> to use).
> 
> Once you have your messages selected you can do 'A' (to apply an
> aggregate command, i.e., to all the selected message), then 'S' to
> save to a folder.  There are various ways to specify the folder.

Remember, you have to turn on this pref

      [X]  Enable Aggregate Command Set                                          

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From chime at hubert-humphrey.com  Thu May 18 16:46:10 2023
From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] quick alpine filtering question?
In-Reply-To: <DCEDC1A6-2E2E-4D8B-92E5-DF8FAFBD0D9B@apple.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
	<c9504725-c131-c264-e7d7-8f0dc71a0e0e@illinois.edu>
	<DCEDC1A6-2E2E-4D8B-92E5-DF8FAFBD0D9B@apple.com>
Message-ID: <f2a1965e-41ee-5cd1-a9f2-3ca582e7eb42@hubert-humphrey.com>

Actually I think I niglected a step in the process. After an aggregate, sure 
type an s then a controll+t and finally a less than sign so you  can navigate 
the folders.
Chime


From klewellen at shellworld.net  Thu May 18 20:05:13 2023
From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] quick alpine filtering question?
In-Reply-To: <1b20bab5-5f5b-7b04-7a04-c4e341006403@hubert-humphrey.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305181402560.173198@users.shellworld.net>
	<1b20bab5-5f5b-7b04-7a04-c4e341006403@hubert-humphrey.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.2305182303200.178594@users.shellworld.net>

Hi chime,
Dreamhost does not set folders up in this fashion.
Still, your  directions are helpful, I am going to create a not spam folder 
to move items into, since I cannot get them back where they belong.
thanks again,
Karen



On Thu, 18 May 2023, Chime Hart wrote:

> Hi Karen-and-All: Well in my setup, I can either use an "s" for save or an 
> aggregate command with a semi-colon for a group of messages. I think you can 
> type a control+t for a list of folders, arrow down to spam training, hit 
> enter, then arrow to either spam learn or not spam.
> Chime
>
>
>

From chime at hubert-humphrey.com  Fri May 19 16:23:01 2023
From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart)
Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024
Subject: [Alpine-info] Strange Message in Index Sorting?
Message-ID: <e33175fc-7d6d-dd04-2dae-c67a4bfa4dd3@hubert-humphrey.com>

Hi All: I am on a temporary setup with Alpine on a laptop with fechmail-and-an 
imap, reading an index. Only today if I switch sorting to an arrival, I see 
this strange message,
[NULL ice in paint_index_line: reg index, msgno=32 line=31]
For the most part when sorting by subject, its fine, but at times its taking a 
while for  an index to fillin. Also, some messages seem to be majicly leaving 
before I expunge them. I trust when I get back on my main machine tomorrow I 
won't see this. Thanks in advance for any guidance
Chime