From fuellen at uni-rostock.de Sat Oct 14 07:21:54 2023 From: fuellen at uni-rostock.de (Georg Fuellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Diagnostics for timeout problem? Message-ID: Dear All, Out of a sudden, I'm facing lots of timeout problems when accessing an IMAP mailbox; sometimes the "No reply in 15 seconds from server xxxxx. Break connection?" starts before I can even read the first message. Sometimes it takes a few minutes until problems appear. It seems that no configurations were changed recently, and network connectivity is excellent while the timeouts happen. How can I find out where the problem may originate from? Do you have any suggestions which fixes I may try? Thanks a lot in advance! georg From mats at dufberg.se Sat Oct 14 15:53:02 2023 From: mats at dufberg.se (Mats Dufberg) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Diagnostics for timeout problem? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2023-10-14, 16:21 (+0200) Georg Fuellen wrote: > Out of a sudden, I'm facing lots of timeout problems when accessing an IMAP > mailbox; > sometimes the "No reply in 15 seconds from server xxxxx. Break connection?" > starts before I can even read the first message. Sometimes it takes a few > minutes until problems appear. > It seems that no configurations were changed recently, and network > connectivity is excellent while the timeouts happen. > How can I find out where the problem may originate from? If you start alpine with "-d" you get a log file with more information. Close alpine when you have seen the problem and inspect the log file. That might give you some clues. $ alpine -h (...) -d n Debug - set debug level to 'n', or use the following: -d keywords... flush,timestamp,imap=0..4,tcp,http,numfiles=0..31,verbose=0..9 (...) Mats ------------------------------------------------------ | Mats Dufberg | mats@dufberg.se | | Sp?nga kyrkv?g 618 | +46 8 38 48 59 | | SE-16362 Sp?nga, Sweden | +46 70 258 25 88 | ------------------------------------------------------ From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Oct 18 20:27:44 2023 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? Message-ID: Hi folks, I know it is possible to create a signature for use in Alpine. However, for professional reasons, I wish to create more than one, with alpine asking me to choose which I wish to use, or if I want to sign at all. is this possible? Thanks, Karen Lewellen From mepstein at illinois.edu Wed Oct 18 21:05:09 2023 From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e220303-ce2a-d08a-93d4-ac98f5c67c5c@illinois.edu> I'm not sure the specific behavior you've asked about is possible (although I'm guessing someone will respond more definitively on that shortly), but what I've done is define "patterns" (may also be called "rules" and/or "roles") that specify which signature file to use (and perhaps other features of the message); patterns are selected by certain features of the message, like who it's to and/or which folder you're in. (This may be better than the functionality you're asking about, since it will automatically pick the right signature -- if patterns can distinguish the right scenarios.) Rules can be found by going to the main menu ("M") then Rules ("R"). The type of rule you want is a "Role", so you select that next. You can take a look at what's in there, to see if it will serve your purposes. Milt Epstein mepstein@illinois.edu On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi folks, > I know it is possible to create a signature for use in Alpine. > However, for professional reasons, I wish to create more than one, with > alpine asking me to choose which I wish to use, or if I want to sign at all. > is this possible? > Thanks, > Karen Lewellen > > > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!58qz1Mmomcm1oikl6dFUne4yK3FVqTBsQQ0JNDxOdgui6yjFaiQ4XG7s1ics5DveafnBGLUT_40z9As4BNMUFyW7Eg$ From klewellen at shellworld.net Wed Oct 18 21:48:53 2023 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: <5e220303-ce2a-d08a-93d4-ac98f5c67c5c@illinois.edu> References: <5e220303-ce2a-d08a-93d4-ac98f5c67c5c@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Good evening, Perhaps it is the alpine that dreamhost provides, but control r fails, and plain r at the main menu brings up the release notes. thanks, Karen On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Milt Epstein wrote: > I'm not sure the specific behavior you've asked about is possible > (although I'm guessing someone will respond more definitively on that > shortly), but what I've done is define "patterns" (may also be called > "rules" and/or "roles") that specify which signature file to use (and > perhaps other features of the message); patterns are selected by > certain features of the message, like who it's to and/or which folder > you're in. (This may be better than the functionality you're asking > about, since it will automatically pick the right signature -- if > patterns can distinguish the right scenarios.) > > Rules can be found by going to the main menu ("M") then Rules ("R"). > The type of rule you want is a "Role", so you select that next. You > can take a look at what's in there, to see if it will serve your > purposes. > > Milt Epstein > mepstein@illinois.edu > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> I know it is possible to create a signature for use in Alpine. >> However, for professional reasons, I wish to create more than one, with >> alpine asking me to choose which I wish to use, or if I want to sign at all. >> is this possible? >> Thanks, >> Karen Lewellen >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Alpine-info mailing list >> Alpine-info@u.washington.edu >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!58qz1Mmomcm1oikl6dFUne4yK3FVqTBsQQ0JNDxOdgui6yjFaiQ4XG7s1ics5DveafnBGLUT_40z9As4BNMUFyW7Eg$ > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From mepstein at illinois.edu Wed Oct 18 21:55:18 2023 From: mepstein at illinois.edu (Milt Epstein) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: References: <5e220303-ce2a-d08a-93d4-ac98f5c67c5c@illinois.edu> Message-ID: Oh, sorry, I left out a step -- after "M", do "S" to get to Setup. So, M S R (or even M S R R to get to setting up Roles). Milt Epstein mepstein@illinois.edu On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Good evening, > Perhaps it is the alpine that dreamhost provides, but control r fails, and > plain r at the main menu brings up the release notes. > thanks, > Karen > > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Milt Epstein wrote: > > > I'm not sure the specific behavior you've asked about is possible > > (although I'm guessing someone will respond more definitively on that > > shortly), but what I've done is define "patterns" (may also be called > > "rules" and/or "roles") that specify which signature file to use (and > > perhaps other features of the message); patterns are selected by > > certain features of the message, like who it's to and/or which folder > > you're in. (This may be better than the functionality you're asking > > about, since it will automatically pick the right signature -- if > > patterns can distinguish the right scenarios.) > > > > Rules can be found by going to the main menu ("M") then Rules ("R"). > > The type of rule you want is a "Role", so you select that next. You > > can take a look at what's in there, to see if it will serve your > > purposes. > > > > Milt Epstein > > mepstein@illinois.edu > > > > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > I know it is possible to create a signature for use in Alpine. > > > However, for professional reasons, I wish to create more than one, with > > > alpine asking me to choose which I wish to use, or if I want to sign at > > > all. > > > is this possible? > > > Thanks, > > > Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Alpine-info mailing list > > > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!58qz1Mmomcm1oikl6dFUne4yK3FVqTBsQQ0JNDxOdgui6yjFaiQ4XG7s1ics5DveafnBGLUT_40z9As4BNMUFyW7Eg$ > > _______________________________________________ > > Alpine-info mailing list > > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info__;!!DZ3fjg!-vkTlQbKhE-SReDDoyNjxEfftSk4bv2wP-N-5Q7mdkYXMgeBAXkYAcudzz4XB8l7dXinF1wVdvrH-brCMe9aUUSWlA$ > From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Thu Oct 19 12:57:27 2023 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > However, for professional reasons, I wish to create more than one, with > alpine asking me to choose which I wish to use, or if I want to sign at > all. It is possible to do that in many ways (maybe not fully automated). - one is to create one or more Roles. Each role can have its own signature. A role can be invoked explicitly when composing, or a role can be triggered automatically by a pattern like the address of a sender (for instance I have a role as moderator of as particular mailing list) M S R R enters the role definition. For instance the above moderator role has To pattern = list address Set Signature = ~/.sig/moderator.signatur - another silly way is to change the signature file outside of alpine BTW my .pinerc contains the following set up for signatures (do M S C, scan each keyowrd and look at the individual kwd help ... one learns a lot from that !) Signature File = .signature [X] Enable Sigdashes [X] Signature at Bottom [X] Strip From Sigdashes on Reply Signature Foreground Color = 174,174,174 Signature Background Color = transparent So my signature(s) is/are in external file(s). The default one is in ~/.signature Every so an often I re-point this file to one of the many signatures in my ~/.sig directory - it would be possible by a script or crontab to change the signature file randomly or any other way (do you want a Sunday signature different from weekday one ?). Perhaps I tried something like that long ago but abandoned - an extension of that could be to define alternate .pinerc with a different signature each, and have shell aliases to invoke alpine with alternate .pinerc on the command string - finally the simplest way to load manually one of the many signatures is simply the following. Which I use often. At any time before you send, you scan your messages for the sigdashes (in my case the signature is automatically inserted at bottom after the sigdashes), delete what follows the sigdashes (do not delete the blank space on the sigdashes line), then press control-r and give the path of the alternate signature (just done it with .sig/schiller.signatur, one of many, serious or funny, in English or Italian or other :-) or you can just delete sigdashes and all what follows, I also do that sometimes. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Against stupidity the gods Goetter selbst vergebens. themselves contend in vain (F.Schiller, Die Jungfrau von Orleans, III, 6 & I.Asimov) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu Oct 19 15:12:42 2023 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow, let me see if I follow. ideally it need not be automated, just a way for me to choose when composing. Need to check if the r method is set up via the alpine compile dreamhost provides actually works. Still, I can say leave my current signature for one, and create a row for another, simply using it instead for specific communications? Is that correct? Kare On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> However, for professional reasons, I wish to create more than one, with >> alpine asking me to choose which I wish to use, or if I want to sign at >> all. > > It is possible to do that in many ways (maybe not fully automated). > > - one is to create one or more Roles. Each role can have its own > signature. A role can be invoked explicitly when composing, or a > role can be triggered automatically by a pattern like the address > of a sender (for instance I have a role as moderator of as particular > mailing list) > > M S R R enters the role definition. For instance the above moderator > role has > > To pattern = list address > Set Signature = ~/.sig/moderator.signatur > > - another silly way is to change the signature file outside of alpine > BTW my .pinerc contains the following set up for signatures (do M S C, > scan each keyowrd and look at the individual kwd help ... one learns > a lot from that !) > > Signature File = .signature > [X] Enable Sigdashes > [X] Signature at Bottom > [X] Strip From Sigdashes on Reply > Signature Foreground Color = 174,174,174 > Signature Background Color = transparent > > So my signature(s) is/are in external file(s). The default one is in > ~/.signature > > Every so an often I re-point this file to one of the many signatures > in my ~/.sig directory > > - it would be possible by a script or crontab to change the signature > file randomly or any other way (do you want a Sunday signature > different from weekday one ?). Perhaps I tried something like that > long ago but abandoned > > - an extension of that could be to define alternate .pinerc with > a different signature each, and have shell aliases to invoke > alpine with alternate .pinerc on the command string > > - finally the simplest way to load manually one of the many signatures > is simply the following. Which I use often. > > At any time before you send, you scan your messages for the sigdashes > (in my case the signature is automatically inserted at bottom after > the sigdashes), delete what follows the sigdashes (do not delete > the blank space on the sigdashes line), then press control-r and > give the path of the alternate signature (just done it with > .sig/schiller.signatur, one of many, serious or funny, in English > or Italian or other :-) > > or you can just delete sigdashes and all what follows, I also do > that sometimes. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Against stupidity the gods > Goetter selbst vergebens. themselves contend in vain > (F.Schiller, Die Jungfrau von Orleans, III, 6 & I.Asimov) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Fri Oct 20 14:18:02 2023 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry for any delay, I read the mailing list in digest mode ocne per day. On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Need to check if the r method is set up via the alpine compile dreamhost > provides actually works. What do you mean by "the r method" ? The roles ? M S R R ? > Still, I can say leave my current signature for one, and create a row > for another, simply using it instead for specific communications? "create a row" ? do you mean "create a role" or "create a signature" ? You can create as many roles as you want. Each role can define its own signature. AFAIK a signature can be defined inline or in a signature file (personally I use omly the latter). A role can be invoked automatically based on some pattern (e.g. the addresses you are sending to), or invoked manually when composing or replying. For instance if you compose a new message, instead of C use #. That will enter the role menu (mine has 10 possible roles). If you are replying to message (pressing R) you press R again (read what is in the bootom lines of the screen) and tha will enter the role menu (after you've chosen a rle, it will prompt for confirmation), (for instance this message is using [automatically] the replyall-alpine role. This role does not use any non-defult signature, but forces the reply to go ONLY to the entire list and not to the sender) You can do almost everything with Alpine ! -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A middle rank researcher at end career is not rich but is in the top 5% of the Italian income tax taxpayers. Does it not sound strange ? From klewellen at shellworld.net Fri Oct 20 15:49:17 2023 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] more than one signiture? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi,I mean create a role. using a screen reader, with allot of other stress factors these days. On Fri, 20 Oct 2023, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > Sorry for any delay, I read the mailing list in digest mode ocne per day. > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> Need to check if the r method is set up via the alpine compile dreamhost >> provides actually works. > > What do you mean by "the r method" ? The roles ? M S R R ? > >> Still, I can say leave my current signature for one, and create a row for >> another, simply using it instead for specific communications? > > "create a row" ? do you mean "create a role" or "create a signature" ? > > You can create as many roles as you want. Each role can define its own > signature. AFAIK a signature can be defined inline or in a signature file > (personally I use omly the latter). > > A role can be invoked automatically based on some pattern (e.g. the addresses > you are sending to), or invoked manually when composing or replying. > > For instance if you compose a new message, instead of C use #. That will > enter the role menu (mine has 10 possible roles). If you are replying to > message (pressing R) you press R again (read what is in the bootom lines of > the screen) and tha will enter the role menu (after you've chosen a rle, it > will prompt for confirmation), > > (for instance this message is using [automatically] the replyall-alpine role. > This role does not use any non-defult signature, but forces the reply to go > ONLY to the entire list and not to the sender) > > You can do almost everything with Alpine ! > > -- > Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) > For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > A middle rank researcher at end career is not rich but is in the top 5% > of the Italian income tax taxpayers. Does it not sound strange ? > > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From fuellen at uni-rostock.de Sat Oct 28 20:18:00 2023 From: fuellen at uni-rostock.de (Georg Fuellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:33 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Diagnostics for timeout problem? (fwd) Message-ID: <352af1b4-c168-246d-5070-36964cdbb2ef@uni-rostock.de> Dear Mats, dear All, Thanks for the help two weeks ago! In the end, the cause of the timeout was the Exchange server, which was configured to be too sensitive to reading in large mailboxes; re-reading a large mailbox several times led to an extreme form of throttling. I was told that the lack of caching of mailbox data in my case probably contributed to the problem. all the best georg On Sun, 15 Oct 2023 00:53:02 +0200, Mats Dufberg wrote, > On 2023-10-14, 16:21 (+0200) Georg Fuellen wrote: >> Out of a sudden, I'm facing lots of timeout problems when accessing an IMAP >> mailbox; >> sometimes the "No reply in 15 seconds from server xxxxx. Break connection?" >> starts before I can even read the first message. Sometimes it takes a few >> minutes until problems appear. >> It seems that no configurations were changed recently, and network >> connectivity is excellent while the timeouts happen. >> How can I find out where the problem may originate from? > > If you start alpine with "-d" you get a log file with more information. > Close alpine when you have seen the problem and inspect the log file. > > That might give you some clues. > > $ alpine -h > (...) > -d n Debug - set debug level to 'n', or use the following: > -d keywords... flush,timestamp,imap=0..4,tcp,http,numfiles=0..31,verbose=0..9 > (...) > > > Mats > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > | Mats Dufberg | mats@dufberg.se | > | Sp?nga kyrkv?g 618 | +46 8 38 48 59 | > | SE-16362 Sp?nga, Sweden | +46 70 258 25 88 | > ------------------------------------------------------