From ml-alpine at zu-con.org Thu Jan 4 07:58:31 2024 From: ml-alpine at zu-con.org (Matthias Rieber) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Gmail move to trash behaves strange. Message-ID: Hello, I'm not sure if this is an alpine problem. When I move a selection of mails from the "All emails" folder to the trash, a rather different selection of emails is actually moved to the trash. Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Matthias From klewellen at shellworld.net Thu Jan 4 08:47:10 2024 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Gmail move to trash behaves strange. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: what a timely question! I was about to post asking how to get a gmail inbox set up via imap with alpine to move anything at all to trash. Can you share how you are getting anything to move, even if not in gmail? Kare On Thu, 4 Jan 2024, Matthias Rieber wrote: > Hello, > > I'm not sure if this is an alpine problem. When I move a selection of mails > from the "All emails" folder to the trash, a rather different selection of > emails is actually moved to the trash. Does anyone have any idea why this is > happening? > > Matthias > > > > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > From ml-alpine at zu-con.org Thu Jan 4 09:03:26 2024 From: ml-alpine at zu-con.org (Matthias Rieber) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Gmail move to trash behaves strange. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello! On Thu, 4 Jan 2024, Karen Lewellen wrote: > what a timely question! > I was about to post asking how to get a gmail inbox set up via imap with > alpine to move anything at all to trash. > Can you share how you are getting anything to move, even if not in > gmail? Kare not sure I if I get this question right. I assume you've already enabled imap in gmail? If not, check 'Q. Can I use imapsync to transfer from or to Gmail accounts?' question in https://imapsync.lamiral.info/FAQ.d/FAQ.Gmail.txt To finally delete mails you have to move (or copy) them from the 'All mails' folder to Trash. When the mails are located in the trash folder you can do the usually delete/expunge and the mails will be gone forever. Matthias From andretta at apf.it Mon Jan 8 04:20:57 2024 From: andretta at apf.it (Paolo Andretta) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir folder-collection In-Reply-To: References: <14f0620f-f66e-9801-1248-1072884724a3@yandex.com> <2a381fcf-fb48-8b83-6d54-88bd079c2c36@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 25 Dec 2023, Paolo Andretta wrote: > On Sun, 24 Dec 2023, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > >>> The only problem I noticied is that while I can create a subfolder saving >>> a message in FOLDER.subfolder , when I try to delete it it give me this >>> error: >>> >>> [Can not read #mc/Maildir/.mail.23.12a//: No such file or directory] >>> subfolder >> >> Ouch, that does not sound right. I have made some modifications to the code >> to attempt to address this and published a new patch. If you can test it I >> would appreciate it. The patch can be obtained from >> >> https://alpineapp.email/alpine/info/maildir.html > > I am an old lazy sysadmin ;-) > I switched from Slack to RH and Debian to reduce the package compilation > activity ;-) > I try to test your patch asap, but I need to create a VM with development > tools installed and refresh my memory on building rpm (last rpm that I build > was a couple of years ago ...) > I suppose I can't do this today ;-) > > Thanks for yor interest and for development of Pine/Alpine in all this years > ;-) Sorry for long delay (holidays, flu, priority ... and my lack of practics in patching/compiling code). I created a new VM and I am testing. I downloaded the .src.rpm (alpine-2.25-2.el9.src.rpm), rebuilded it (the original), without problems. Now, I have extracted the alpine-2.25.tar.xz and I am trying to apply the patch using the command: [paolo@rl009 SOURCES]$ patch -p0 < ~/maildir.patch patching file alpine-2.25/alpine/alpine.c Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] Is it the right syntax? Thanks, Paolo From robin.listas at telefonica.net Mon Jan 8 14:16:45 2024 From: robin.listas at telefonica.net (Carlos E. R.) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir folder-collection In-Reply-To: References: <14f0620f-f66e-9801-1248-1072884724a3@yandex.com> <2a381fcf-fb48-8b83-6d54-88bd079c2c36@yandex.com> Message-ID: On 2024-01-08 13:20, Paolo Andretta wrote: > On Mon, 25 Dec 2023, Paolo Andretta wrote: >> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > > Sorry for long delay (holidays, flu, priority ... and my lack of > practics in patching/compiling code). > I created a new VM and I am testing. > > I downloaded the .src.rpm (alpine-2.25-2.el9.src.rpm), rebuilded it (the > original), without problems. Now, I have extracted the > > alpine-2.25.tar.xz and I am trying to apply the patch using the command: > > [paolo@rl009 SOURCES]$ patch -p0 < ~/maildir.patch > patching file alpine-2.25/alpine/alpine.c > Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!? Assume -R? [n] > > Is it the right syntax? I'm not an expert, but it is saying that the patch is already applied, and offers to remove it. Is that what you want? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.4 x86_64 at Telcontar) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: OpenPGP_signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 209 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From andretta at apf.it Mon Jan 8 14:25:06 2024 From: andretta at apf.it (Paolo Andretta) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir folder-collection In-Reply-To: References: <14f0620f-f66e-9801-1248-1072884724a3@yandex.com> <2a381fcf-fb48-8b83-6d54-88bd079c2c36@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2024, Carlos E. R. wrote: > On 2024-01-08 13:20, Paolo Andretta wrote: >> On Mon, 25 Dec 2023, Paolo Andretta wrote: >>> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023, Eduardo Chappa wrote: >> >> Sorry for long delay (holidays, flu, priority ... and my lack of practics >> in patching/compiling code). >> I created a new VM and I am testing. >> >> I downloaded the .src.rpm (alpine-2.25-2.el9.src.rpm), rebuilded it (the >> original), without problems. Now, I have extracted the >> >> alpine-2.25.tar.xz and I am trying to apply the patch using the command: >> >> [paolo@rl009 SOURCES]$ patch -p0 < ~/maildir.patch >> patching file alpine-2.25/alpine/alpine.c >> Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!? Assume -R? [n] >> >> Is it the right syntax? > > I'm not an expert, but it is saying that the patch is already applied, and > offers to remove it. > > Is that what you want? This is also what I understand. but I am not a developer/programmer, so asking to Eduardo that suggests me to apply the patch. ;-) -- Regards, Paolo From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Tue Jan 9 08:33:30 2024 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir folder-collection In-Reply-To: References: <14f0620f-f66e-9801-1248-1072884724a3@yandex.com> <2a381fcf-fb48-8b83-6d54-88bd079c2c36@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jan 2024, Paolo Andretta wrote: > This is also what I understand. but I am not a developer/programmer, so > asking to Eduardo that suggests me to apply the patch. ;-) I do not distribute rpms, whoever distributed yours is responsible for its source code, as such, all I can tell you is that you an apply the patch to a pristine source code of alpine without any problem. You can get the source code for alpine at https://alpineapp.email Thank you. -- Eduardo From andretta at apf.it Tue Jan 9 11:45:53 2024 From: andretta at apf.it (Paolo Andretta) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir folder-collection In-Reply-To: References: <14f0620f-f66e-9801-1248-1072884724a3@yandex.com> <2a381fcf-fb48-8b83-6d54-88bd079c2c36@yandex.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 9 Jan 2024, Eduardo Chappa wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024, Paolo Andretta wrote: > >> This is also what I understand. but I am not a developer/programmer, so >> asking to Eduardo that suggests me to apply the patch. ;-) > > I do not distribute rpms, whoever distributed yours is responsible for its > source code, as such, all I can tell you is that you an apply the patch to a > pristine source code of alpine without any problem. You can get the source > code for alpine at > > https://alpineapp.email Ok, If I download the 2.25 source I can patch it without problem, so I suppose the patch was already applied. I downloaded the 2.26 source and the corresponding maildir.patch. Applied, Compiled alpine ignoring the rpm packaging, installed (replaced), binaries in the usual /usr/bin Now I can delete a freshly created maildir folder without errors, but if I add more than one messagges, or try to delete an "old" folder I get: [Can not remove #mc/INBOX.mail.240109/: Directory not empty] In the disks I have something like this remaining: dovecot-uidlist ? 26627?Dec 18 00:09? dovecot.index ? 5684?Dec 18 11:34? dovecot.index.cache ? 455352?Jan 8 19:06? dovecot.index.log ? 7464?Dec 20 12:56? maildirfolder ? 0?Dec 18 00:00| and in my folder list now I can't have the list of folder/subfolder, only the folders at the firts level. I suppose that restarting experimentations after a couple of weeks of other priorities I have done some mess ... :-( For what I suppose are the relevant settings I have: inbox-path={192.168.111.3/novalidate-cert}inbox folder-collections="Locali" #mc/INBOX.mail.[] My interest is to manage the converted maildir folders as I have done since early 90's with the mbox folders. -- Thanks, Paolo From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Tue Jan 9 23:22:26 2024 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Maildir folder-collection In-Reply-To: References: <14f0620f-f66e-9801-1248-1072884724a3@yandex.com> <2a381fcf-fb48-8b83-6d54-88bd079c2c36@yandex.com> Message-ID: <2a1ae60f-0e57-73df-1184-03ab1281856a@yandex.com> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024, Paolo Andretta wrote: > In the disks I have something like this remaining: > > dovecot-uidlist ? 26627?Dec 18 00:09? > dovecot.index ? 5684?Dec 18 11:34? > dovecot.index.cache ? 455352?Jan 8 19:06? > dovecot.index.log ? 7464?Dec 20 12:56? > maildirfolder ? 0?Dec 18 00:00| Thank you for this list. The maildir patch takes a conservative approach up to what to delete. Given that technically a directory can contain many kinds of things, Alpine only deletes the files it created or that are part of the standard maildir format of the folder. All other files (like the ones above, which are part of an extension of the maildir format) are left there because Alpine prefers to keep them than to remove them, so you can go to the folder and see what it is in there, and manually remove them. I will modify the patch to make Alpine remove these files too, so that deleting these folders will work better. -- Eduardo From chime at hubert-humphrey.com Wed Jan 10 11:27:17 2024 From: chime at hubert-humphrey.com (Chime Hart) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] Alpine in Windows11?? Message-ID: Hi All: After setting up a windows version of Alpine on my Wife's machine, I realized her screen-reader, NVDA wasn't reading her inbox, meanwhile outlook did, but it was a larger challenge navigating. It seems Microsoft Power Shell may have a better chance-and-experience for us. I suppose I would need another version? Is their a package manager or how would I install from Power-Shell? I really haven't used windows much since 2006-and-its become `alot more complicated. I am rather familliar with a Linux type of Alpine-and-could help her. In that windows version, there were hardly as many options. Even with block cursor checked, NVDA would only read a file menu. Thanks so much in advance for any-and-all tips Chime From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Mon Jan 22 07:27:34 2024 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] why a message sent to alpine-info is rejected ? Message-ID: I just composed a message to alpine-info but it was rejected with the following error (reason: 550 5.7.0 Message not accepted as it appears to be spam (IS)) The header was From: Lucio Chiappetti To: Alpine List Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 16:15:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: my solution to recent gmail issues From schamane at fam.tuwien.ac.at Tue Jan 23 16:19:43 2024 From: schamane at fam.tuwien.ac.at (Andreas Schamanek) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] S/MIME signatures w/ intermediate chain? Message-ID: Hi Alpinists, Is there a way to have Alpine sign a message and include intermediate AKA chain certificates? I tried to add the intermediate certificate to my personal .crt file in .alpine-smime/public. If I append the intermediate cert signing works but the intermediate is not part of the smime.p7s. If I prepend the intermediate cert to my personal .crt file Alpine does not allow me to sign because it cannot find a certificate. -- -- Andreas :-) From alpine.chappa at yandex.com Tue Jan 23 19:23:00 2024 From: alpine.chappa at yandex.com (Eduardo Chappa) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] S/MIME signatures w/ intermediate chain? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <128fedff-dcbd-5ee9-5148-b4580035917f@yandex.com> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Andreas Schamanek wrote: > Is there a way to have Alpine sign a message and include intermediate > AKA chain certificates? My understanding is that you need to add the intermediate certificates as .crt files to your ~/.alpine-smime/ca directory, not to the certificate itself. One certificate per crt file. Does that not work? -- Eduardo From klewellen at shellworld.net Sat Jan 27 16:52:46 2024 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] how to create rules /nicknames under alpine? Message-ID: Hi folks, Thanks in advance for your expertise. I have a time sensitive need to create a rule in alpine where a different edition of my signature is sent. What I would appreciate are simple clear and step by step directions to get this done. The organization for whom I work, www.curtainupdistribution.org has an office in new York and one in Toronto, as illustrated on our contact us page. while dreamhost has been helpful in setting up our various accounts alpine wise, they are firmly not solid in alpine..meaning I cannot just say use the virtual assistant's email setup, its locked to her name somehow. So I hope to create a rule as a test letting me change signatures when writing someone who needs to hear from me with our official NYC address displayed. Steps? keeping things simple as I am working with speech? Thanks, Karen From lucio at lambrate.inaf.it Sun Jan 28 12:19:35 2024 From: lucio at lambrate.inaf.it (Lucio Chiappetti) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] how to create rules /nicknames under alpine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 27 Jan 2024, Karen Lewellen wrote: > I have a time sensitive need to create a rule in alpine where a different > edition of my signature is sent. > What I would appreciate are simple clear and step by step directions to > get this done. Here you are: type M S R R A i.e. Menu Setup Rules Role Add (a new role) for the new role, give a Nickname, Comment then scroll down to ACTIONS BEGIN HERE and set e.g. Set LiteralSig = Set Signature = ~/.sig/moderator.signatur (this is my choice, no literal signature written inline in .pinerc but in an external file,. in this example is moderator.signatur ... I have polenty of signatures in ~/.sig, some chsen by role, some manually You might want to look at the other items in the role, e.g. if you want the role to be triggered automatically by some characteristics of the mail you are replying. Use the internal help (command ?) while addsing the role to get help on each item. Otherwise you may invoke the role by name by the usual ways when composing (e.g. command # or sequence M C R) -- Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A middle rank researcher at end career is not rich but is in the top 5% of the Italian income tax taxpayers. Does it not sound strange ? From klewellen at shellworld.net Sun Jan 28 13:57:28 2024 From: klewellen at shellworld.net (Karen Lewellen) Date: Fri Mar 22 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Alpine-info] how to create rules /nicknames under alpine? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lucio, This is fantastic! Am thankful to learn there is a way to simply trigger the role when needed, instead of setting automatic factors. Profound appreciation, Karen On Sun, 28 Jan 2024, Lucio Chiappetti wrote: > On Sat, 27 Jan 2024, Karen Lewellen wrote: > >> I have a time sensitive need to create a rule in alpine where a different >> edition of my signature is sent. >> What I would appreciate are simple clear and step by step directions to >> get this done. > > Here you are: > > type M S R R A i.e. > > Menu > Setup > Rules > Role > Add (a new role) > > for the new role, give a Nickname, Comment > > then scroll down to ACTIONS BEGIN HERE > and set e.g. > > Set LiteralSig = > Set Signature = ~/.sig/moderator.signatur > > (this is my choice, no literal signature written inline in .pinerc but in an > external file,. in this example is moderator.signatur ... I have polenty of > signatures in ~/.sig, some chsen by role, some manually > > You might want to look at the other items in the role, e.g. if you want the > role to be triggered automatically by some characteristics of the mail you > are replying. Use the internal help (command ?) while addsing the role to > get help on each item. > > Otherwise you may invoke the role by name by the usual ways when composing > (e.g. command # or sequence M C R) > > -- > Lucio Chiappetti - INAF/IASF - via Corti 12 - I-20133 Milano (Italy) > For more info : http://www.iasf-milano.inaf.it/~lucio/personal.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > A middle rank researcher at end career is not rich but is in the top 5% of > the Italian income tax taxpayers. Does it not sound strange ? > > _______________________________________________ > Alpine-info mailing list > Alpine-info@u.washington.edu > http://mailman12.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/alpine-info > >