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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1799

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Wow
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
  2) RE: Wow
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  3) Re: Wow
	by "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
  4) RE: Wow
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  5) Re: Wow
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  6) Sayonara
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  7) RE: Sayonara
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  8) Selecting a new coach
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  9) RE: Wow
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
 10) RE: Wow
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 11) Re: Wow
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 12) Re: Sayonara
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 13) RE: Sayonara
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
 14) RE: Wow--New Coach?
	by John Hennes <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
 15) Re: Wow--New Coach?
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 16) Re: Wow--New Coach?
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
 17) RE: Sayonara
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 18) Re: Wow--New Coach?
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 19) Re: Selecting a new coach
	by "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
 20) Re: Selecting a new coach
	by "Colin Anderson" <pedigree at u.washington.edu>

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Wow
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The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this guy
get? 

 

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.html

 

 

Chris Carrel

ccarrel at attbi.com

 


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stupid
can this guy get? </span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'><a
href=3D"http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel0=
5.html">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel0=
5.html</a></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoAutoSig><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:17:12 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Wow
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And then there's Jerramy...

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Civil lawsuit filed against Jerramy Stevens=20

06/05/2003=20

By SUSANNAH FRAME / KING 5 News=20

SEATTLE - A shocker has been filed in court against Seahawk tight-end
Jerramy Stevens and the University of Washington=20

Just one month after he was charged with drunk driving, Jerramy Stevens
was slapped with a civil lawsuit by a woman who says he raped her three
years ago.=20

=20

KING

Jerramy Stevens

After being arrested for allegedly raping a young sorority girl three
years ago after a fraternity party, Jerramy Stevens - who was a star
player for the Washington Huskies at the time - was never charged
criminally.=20

But the case has come back to haunt him.=20

The girl, who is not identified in court papers, has come forward with a
civil suit saying Stevens caused her severe distress and the University
of Washington did not do enough to supervise its football players.=20

Wednesday, the alleged victim said Stevens should pay for his actions.=20

"Jerramy did not rape this girl, period," said Mike Hunsinger, Stevens'
attorney, who calls the suit a bombshell. He says the allegations were
put to rest two years ago.=20

=20

KING

The girl says she woke up in the sorority house after the fraternity
party.

The lawsuit claims the girl was drugged at a Sigma Chi frat party and
she was "completely out of it" when she left the party with Stevens.=20

The next thing she remembers is "waking up about noon in her bed at the
sorority house, her bra and tube-top were around her waist, and her
pants were gone."=20

"He remembers and she doesn't. He knows what happened and she claims she
doesn't. And what he says happened is consensual sex. He says there was
no rape of any kind," said Hunsinger.=20

But the suit also points to a 911 call from a man who allegedly saw
Stevens in an alley with the girl.=20

KING 5 obtained a copy of that tape:=20

911 dispatcher: "Police and fire 99."=20

Caller: "Yeah, I was walking on 8th street north of the University of
Washington, about one block north and, uh, it looked like there was two
people having sex, but when I walked by, I don't know, it was, it was
weird, like attempted rape or something, something wasn't right about
it."=20

Stevens' lawyers says Jerramy is telling the truth and he passed a lie
detector test right after the incident, and if he has to he will prove
his side of the story in court.=20

"This one more obstacle that he is going to hurdle and he will," said
Hunsinger.=20

The alleged rape victim is also suing the Sigma Chi fraternity house
saying one of the members slipped the young girl a so-called date-rape
drug and saying the fraternity did not do enough to supervise the party.


=20

=20

=20

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of ccarrel
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:10 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Wow

=20

The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this guy
get?=20

=20

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.html

=20

=20

Chris Carrel

ccarrel at attbi.com

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style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-weight:bold'>And
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style=3D'font-size:18.0pt;font-weight:bold'>Civil
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  <p><span class=3Dvitstorydate><b><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
   =
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Roman"><span
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>SEATTLE</span></font>
  &#8211; A shocker has been filed in court against Seahawk tight-end =
Jerramy Stevens
  and the University of Washington </p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Just
  one month after he was charged with drunk driving, Jerramy Stevens was
  slapped with a civil lawsuit by a woman who says he raped her three =
years
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  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>After
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ago
  after a fraternity party, Jerramy Stevens &#8211; who was a star =
player for
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criminally. </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>But the
  case has come back to haunt him. </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The
  girl, who is not identified in court papers, has come forward with a =
civil
  suit saying Stevens caused her severe distress and the =
</span></font>University
   of Washington did not do enough to supervise its football players. =
</p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Wednesday,
  the alleged victim said Stevens should pay for his actions. =
</span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&quot;Jerramy
  did not rape this girl, period,&#8221; said Mike Hunsinger, =
Stevens&#8217;
  attorney, who calls the suit a bombshell. He says the allegations were =
put to
  rest two years ago. </span></font></p>
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The
  lawsuit claims the girl was drugged at a Sigma Chi frat party and she =
was
  &#8220;completely out of it&#8221; when she left the party with =
Stevens. </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The
  next thing she remembers is &#8220;waking up about </span></font>noon =
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waist, and her
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&quot;He
  remembers and she doesn't. He knows what happened and she claims she =
doesn't.
  And what he says happened is consensual sex. He says there was no rape =
of any
  kind,&#8221; said Hunsinger. </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>But the
  suit also points to a 911 call from a man who allegedly saw Stevens in =
an
  alley with the girl. </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>KING 5
  obtained a copy of that tape: </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>911
  dispatcher: &quot;Police and fire 99.&quot; </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Caller:
  &quot;Yeah, I was walking on </span></font>8th street north of the =
University
   of Washington, about one block north and, uh, it looked like there =
was two
  people having sex, but when I walked by, I don't know, it was, it was =
weird,
  like attempted rape or something, something wasn't right about =
it.&quot; </p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Stevens&#8217;
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test
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the
  story in court. </span></font></p>
  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&quot;This
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Hunsinger.
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  <p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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  alleged rape victim is also suing the Sigma Chi fraternity house =
saying one
  of the members slipped the young girl a so-called date-rape drug and =
saying
  the fraternity did not do enough to supervise the party. =
</span></font></p>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] =
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>ccarrel<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>Thursday, June
 05, 2003</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Husky Football<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =
Wow</span></font></p>

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:27:10 -0700
From: "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Wow
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So who is going to be the new coach?

Pinkel?  Tormey?

What about Dennis Green?


>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Wow
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
>
>The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this guy
>get?
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>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.html
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>Chris Carrel
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>ccarrel at attbi.com
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:50:09 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Wow
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Let's lure Pete Carrol away

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Rechter
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:27 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Wow

So who is going to be the new coach?

Pinkel?  Tormey?

What about Dennis Green?


>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Wow
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
>
>The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this
guy
>get?
>
>
>
>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.html
>
>
>
>
>
>Chris Carrel
>
>ccarrel at attbi.com
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 06:51:19 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Wow
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If Babs is worried about not taking too much time and going for a 'smoother' 
transition, Gilby would probably be a top candidate as well.  If not, I can 
see her asking an incoming coach to retain some of the current staff, a la 
the Mariners keeping Brian Price.

Of course, this is all assuming she finally has the cajones to end the love 
affair with Neuheisel.  Don't take me too literally, please.

Max


>
>So who is going to be the new coach?
>
>Pinkel?  Tormey?
>
>What about Dennis Green?
>
>
>>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>>Subject: Wow
>>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
>>
>>The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this guy
>>get?
>>
>>
>>
>>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Carrel
>>
>>ccarrel at attbi.com
>>
>>
>>
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Subject: Sayonara
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NFL...National Felons League

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:58 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Sayonara

=20

    This guy would say he didn't know that he had done anything wrong if
he had just gotten caught robbing a bank.

I will always have a soft spot in my heart for him because of the 2001
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:39:43 -0400
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To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Selecting a new coach
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Who other than DJ do we want to have advising Babs on our next coach?

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 08:58:13 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Wow
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This is just too much.

Do people think this is really a done deal? =20

Frankly, Neuheisel has worn out his welcome with me.  Realistically, you
might try to tolerate SOME of the stuff he's been implicated in IF his
teams were having large amounts of success on the field.  That is not
the case, however.

Seems it is time to make a change - but to whom?

I agree that Gilby might be a good choice in the short term - maybe on
an interim basis.

Would a coach at a different school really make a move at this time of
year?  No time is a good time to change coaches, but this seems like the
worst!

If the Dawgs are going to consider "stealing" a coach from a fellow
Pac-10 school I would think that Oregon and USC have the best options,
with Cal in the mix as well.  Would any of those guys be interested?

It will be interesting to see what happens.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Waugh [mailto:fiznatty at hotmail.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Wow


If Babs is worried about not taking too much time and going for a
'smoother'=20
transition, Gilby would probably be a top candidate as well.  If not, I
can=20
see her asking an incoming coach to retain some of the current staff, a
la=20
the Mariners keeping Brian Price.

Of course, this is all assuming she finally has the cajones to end the
love=20
affair with Neuheisel.  Don't take me too literally, please.

Max


>
>So who is going to be the new coach?
>
>Pinkel?  Tormey?
>
>What about Dennis Green?
>
>
>>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>>Subject: Wow
>>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
>>
>>The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this=20
>>guy get?
>>
>>
>>
>>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.htm
>>l
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Carrel
>>
>>ccarrel at attbi.com
>>
>>
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:19:17 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Wow
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I'm simply wondering how much patience Babs can have.  All of Neuheisel's 
violations have seemed relatively minor over the years, but enough light 
punches will still lead to a black eye for the school.  While the gambling 
incident alone doesn't justify firing him, the continuous pattern of 
embarrassing situations he puts himself and the program in can't be 
overlooked.  At the very least, we should be talking about a multi-game 
suspension, I'd think.

If he's fired... I dunno if Babs will have the patience for a lengthy search 
outside the program... it would be wonderful to take the time to interview 
people like Mike Stoops, but I'd expect more of a scramble to keep the ship 
afloat... meaning someone in-house, or someone they've spoken to before with 
UW ties (Pinkel) would be the more likely candidate.  Plus, I can't imagine 
Carroll would leave $C with the turnaround they've had and the recruits he's 
pulling in...  It would be pretty funny to see how Husky fans and boosters 
reacted to a Bellotti hiring though.

Max

>
>This is just too much.
>
>Do people think this is really a done deal?
>
>Frankly, Neuheisel has worn out his welcome with me.  Realistically, you
>might try to tolerate SOME of the stuff he's been implicated in IF his
>teams were having large amounts of success on the field.  That is not
>the case, however.
>
>Seems it is time to make a change - but to whom?
>
>I agree that Gilby might be a good choice in the short term - maybe on
>an interim basis.
>
>Would a coach at a different school really make a move at this time of
>year?  No time is a good time to change coaches, but this seems like the
>worst!
>
>If the Dawgs are going to consider "stealing" a coach from a fellow
>Pac-10 school I would think that Oregon and USC have the best options,
>with Cal in the mix as well.  Would any of those guys be interested?
>
>It will be interesting to see what happens.
>
>-Jeff
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Max Waugh [mailto:fiznatty at hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:51 AM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: Wow
>
>
>If Babs is worried about not taking too much time and going for a
>'smoother'
>transition, Gilby would probably be a top candidate as well.  If not, I
>can
>see her asking an incoming coach to retain some of the current staff, a
>la
>the Mariners keeping Brian Price.
>
>Of course, this is all assuming she finally has the cajones to end the
>love
>affair with Neuheisel.  Don't take me too literally, please.
>
>Max
>
>
> >
> >So who is going to be the new coach?
> >
> >Pinkel?  Tormey?
> >
> >What about Dennis Green?
> >
> >
> >>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
> >>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
> >>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >>Subject: Wow
> >>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
> >>
> >>The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this
> >>guy get?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.htm
> >>l
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Chris Carrel
> >>
> >>ccarrel at attbi.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 12:22:15 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Wow
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You know, I think Gilby might be able to step in and do a heck of a job.
Why not give him a chance? He's earned it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:58 AM
Subject: RE: Wow


This is just too much.

Do people think this is really a done deal?  

Frankly, Neuheisel has worn out his welcome with me.  Realistically, you
might try to tolerate SOME of the stuff he's been implicated in IF his
teams were having large amounts of success on the field.  That is not
the case, however.

Seems it is time to make a change - but to whom?

I agree that Gilby might be a good choice in the short term - maybe on
an interim basis.

Would a coach at a different school really make a move at this time of
year?  No time is a good time to change coaches, but this seems like the
worst!

If the Dawgs are going to consider "stealing" a coach from a fellow
Pac-10 school I would think that Oregon and USC have the best options,
with Cal in the mix as well.  Would any of those guys be interested?

It will be interesting to see what happens.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Max Waugh [mailto:fiznatty at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:51 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Wow


If Babs is worried about not taking too much time and going for a
'smoother' 
transition, Gilby would probably be a top candidate as well.  If not, I
can 
see her asking an incoming coach to retain some of the current staff, a
la 
the Mariners keeping Brian Price.

Of course, this is all assuming she finally has the cajones to end the
love 
affair with Neuheisel.  Don't take me too literally, please.

Max


>
>So who is going to be the new coach?
>
>Pinkel?  Tormey?
>
>What about Dennis Green?
>
>
>>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>>Subject: Wow
>>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 06:09:56 -0700
>>
>>The long, strange Neuheisel era is about to end. How stupid can this 
>>guy get?
>>
>>
>>
>>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134908138_neuheisel05.htm
>>l
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Chris Carrel
>>
>>ccarrel at attbi.com
>>
>>
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 09:50:19 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Sayonara
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While this is a wonderful opportunity to get out of the UW's Suicide Pact - 
I mean contract - with Coach Neuheisel without putting a pistol to its own 
temple, I think one only has to read between
the lines of Babs-speak to realise the predetermined outcome of this latest 
atrocity:

"In hindsight, Rick realizes he should have known,"
"Rick was forthcoming. That is to his credit."

I think we've reached the point where UN inspectors need to be assigned to 
this athletic department. Of course, I don't feel any need to mention that I 
was opposed to Coach Neuheisels hire from day one.

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:10:01 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Sayonara
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I thought Sammy Sosa had the idiot of the week award won,
hands-down...but "down the stretch they come!"..and Ricky is closing
fast and takes the lead by a nose!

On the good side, at least the list is awake again :)

~CJ

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Toby Nelson
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:50 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Sayonara


While this is a wonderful opportunity to get out of the UW's Suicide
Pact -=20
I mean contract - with Coach Neuheisel without putting a pistol to its
own=20
temple, I think one only has to read between
the lines of Babs-speak to realise the predetermined outcome of this
latest=20
atrocity:

"In hindsight, Rick realizes he should have known,"
"Rick was forthcoming. That is to his credit."

I think we've reached the point where UN inspectors need to be assigned
to=20
this athletic department. Of course, I don't feel any need to mention
that I=20
was opposed to Coach Neuheisels hire from day one.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 10:20:02 -0700
From: John Hennes <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Wow--New Coach?
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I understand Mike Price is available...

At 06:50 AM 6/5/03 -0700, you wrote:
>Let's lure Pete Carrol away
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Rechter
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:27 AM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: Wow
>
>So who is going to be the new coach?
>
>Pinkel?  Tormey?
>
>What about Dennis Green?




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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 13:05:46 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Wow--New Coach?
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Mike Price: Will coach for beer

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hennes" <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: Wow--New Coach?


> I understand Mike Price is available...
> 
> At 06:50 AM 6/5/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >Let's lure Pete Carrol away
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Rechter
> >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:27 AM
> >To: Husky Football
> >Subject: Re: Wow
> >
> >So who is going to be the new coach?
> >
> >Pinkel?  Tormey?
> >
> >What about Dennis Green?
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:31:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Wow--New Coach?
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Will coach for strippers...



	--Steve


On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:

> Mike Price: Will coach for beer
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hennes" <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
> To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:20 PM
> Subject: RE: Wow--New Coach?
>
>
> > I understand Mike Price is available...
> >
> > At 06:50 AM 6/5/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Let's lure Pete Carrol away
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Rechter
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:27 AM
> > >To: Husky Football
> > >Subject: Re: Wow
> > >
> > >So who is going to be the new coach?
> > >
> > >Pinkel?  Tormey?
> > >
> > >What about Dennis Green?
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Sayonara
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my first groggy reaction when i heard this out of my alarm clock was
"betting pool - who cares". i'm a little more clear-headed now.

is it karma that i took a life membership in the Alumni Association
yesterday?

it's a minor infraction in my eyes, but more importantly, this is
the second time Ms. Hedges will be called on the carpet by the NCAA.

straw, camel, back. get us off this carousel.

Gilby for interim HC. maybe the Cal and RN experiences taught him
something.

--- "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com> wrote:
> I thought Sammy Sosa had the idiot of the week award won,
> hands-down...but "down the stretch they come!"..and Ricky is
> closing
> fast and takes the lead by a nose!
> 
> On the good side, at least the list is awake again :)
> 
> ~CJ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Toby Nelson
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:50 AM
> To: Husky Football
> Subject: Re: Sayonara
> 
> 
> While this is a wonderful opportunity to get out of the UW's
> Suicide
> Pact - 
> I mean contract - with Coach Neuheisel without putting a pistol to
> its
> own 
> temple, I think one only has to read between
> the lines of Babs-speak to realise the predetermined outcome of
> this
> latest 
> atrocity:
> 
> "In hindsight, Rick realizes he should have known,"
> "Rick was forthcoming. That is to his credit."
> 
> I think we've reached the point where UN inspectors need to be
> assigned
> to 
> this athletic department. Of course, I don't feel any need to
> mention
> that I 
> was opposed to Coach Neuheisels hire from day one.
> 
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 10:45:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Wow--New Coach?
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i'll coach for strippers.

--- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Will coach for strippers...
> 
> 
> 
> 	--Steve
> 
> 
> On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:
> 
> > Mike Price: Will coach for beer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hennes" <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
> > To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:20 PM
> > Subject: RE: Wow--New Coach?
> >
> >
> > > I understand Mike Price is available...
> > >
> > > At 06:50 AM 6/5/03 -0700, you wrote:
> > > >Let's lure Pete Carrol away
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > > >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corey
> Rechter
> > > >Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:27 AM
> > > >To: Husky Football
> > > >Subject: Re: Wow
> > > >
> > > >So who is going to be the new coach?
> > > >
> > > >Pinkel?  Tormey?
> > > >
> > > >What about Dennis Green?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 


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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 13:07:03 -0700
From: "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Selecting a new coach
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Ron Crockett.

>From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Selecting a new coach
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:39:43 -0400
>
>Who other than DJ do we want to have advising Babs on our next coach?

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 14:43:47 -0700
From: "Colin Anderson" <pedigree at u.washington.edu>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Selecting a new coach
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joe jarzynka

> 
> >From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
> >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
> >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >Subject: Selecting a new coach
> >Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 11:39:43 -0400
> >
> >Who other than DJ do we want to have advising Babs on our next coach?
> 
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1800

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) bullet in the back
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  2) RE: bullet in the back
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
  3) RE: bullet in the back
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  4) RE: bullet in the back
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
  5) RE: bullet in the back
	by "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
  6) Neuheisel in hot water over pool (the view from Boulder)
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
  7) Re: bullet in the back
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  8) RE: bullet in the back
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
  9) Best for the Team and Program
	by "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
 10) Re: bullet in the back
	by "Bobby Alverts" <hu5k135 at teleport.com>
 11) ESPN's take
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 12) Re: bullet in the back
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 13) Re: bullet in the back
	by "Bobby Alverts" <hu5k135 at teleport.com>

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: bullet in the back
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inside job.

since RN perpetrated this infraction over 15 months ago speculation
here is that a Tyee insider waited until the desired moment to pull
the trigger. makes you wonder if this would have come out had we won
the Sun Bowl.

Bob Condotta of the Times has been unwilling to reveal his source on
this story.

if this is true this gives new meaning to the phrase "lack of
institutional control".

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:54:02 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: bullet in the back
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Yeah. So what? I am just increasingly impressed with what an idiot
Neuheisel really is. The guy already went through the gauntlet in
Colorado. Life has not exactly been a picnic here at the UW. He
should've known better than to give a silver bullet to his detractors.
And yet...

I've said it before in this forum, Neuheisel reminds me of Bill Clinton:
a very intelligent guy with some deep-seated problems that tempt him
into doing things he should know better not to do, but can't keep
himself from doing because he thinks he is too slick to get punished.

BTW, if there is an inside source, as you suggest, I'd like to find
him/her and personally thank him/her.  The sooner we are rid of the
taint of Skippy, the better off the UW football program is.

GO Dawgs!
Chris Carrel
ccarrel at attbi.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:32 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: bullet in the back

inside job.

since RN perpetrated this infraction over 15 months ago speculation
here is that a Tyee insider waited until the desired moment to pull
the trigger. makes you wonder if this would have come out had we won
the Sun Bowl.

Bob Condotta of the Times has been unwilling to reveal his source on
this story.

if this is true this gives new meaning to the phrase "lack of
institutional control".

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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: bullet in the back
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--- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> Yeah. So what? 

accountability.
 
> BTW, if there is an inside source, as you suggest, I'd like to
> find
> him/her and personally thank him/her.  The sooner we are rid of
> the taint of Skippy, the better off the UW football program is.

believe me, i'll help RN pack.

but well-heeled boosters pulling strings smacks of the kind of
corruption that got us here in the first place. don't be so
complacent as to assume that we're better off in the *long run* for this.

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 22:55:27 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: bullet in the back
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Here here. Kudos to Deep Throat/Deep Purple.

I would be curious to know who - other than Neuheisel - was involved in this 
gambling ring. You're not going to be able to put together a group of too 
many adults in Medina/Yarrow Point/Clyde Hill without one being a Tyee or 
President's Circle donor. Given that, I find it hard to believe not a single 
Asst. AD or Fundraising person ever noticed the glimmering neon of Neu 
Vegas.

If the UW still had a President, now would be a good time to order an audit 
of the entire ICA. As no one's at the steering wheel of this big, purple, 
out of control SUV, I guess that's too much to hope.

>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: RE: bullet in the back
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:54:02 -0700
>
>Yeah. So what? I am just increasingly impressed with what an idiot
>Neuheisel really is. The guy already went through the gauntlet in
>Colorado. Life has not exactly been a picnic here at the UW. He
>should've known better than to give a silver bullet to his detractors.
>And yet...
>
>I've said it before in this forum, Neuheisel reminds me of Bill Clinton:
>a very intelligent guy with some deep-seated problems that tempt him
>into doing things he should know better not to do, but can't keep
>himself from doing because he thinks he is too slick to get punished.
>
>BTW, if there is an inside source, as you suggest, I'd like to find
>him/her and personally thank him/her.  The sooner we are rid of the
>taint of Skippy, the better off the UW football program is.
>
>GO Dawgs!
>Chris Carrel
>ccarrel at attbi.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
>Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:32 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: bullet in the back
>
>inside job.
>
>since RN perpetrated this infraction over 15 months ago speculation
>here is that a Tyee insider waited until the desired moment to pull
>the trigger. makes you wonder if this would have come out had we won
>the Sun Bowl.
>
>Bob Condotta of the Times has been unwilling to reveal his source on
>this story.
>
>if this is true this gives new meaning to the phrase "lack of
>institutional control".
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 23:23:08 -0700
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: bullet in the back
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I'll admit it...I'm a homer. I still like Neuheisel, and want him to be =
our coach. I may be the only one, but I still do.

While I'd agree that he's tended to push the envelope and at least =
appeared to play fast and loose with the rules, the kinds of things that =
he's gotten in trouble for are small things that have been blown =
dramatically out of proportion by the media.=20

* Shortly after his much heralded arrival from Colorado, his recruiting =
compliance problems---the "dead period" violation that UW self-reported =
that everyone acknowledged happens at Division 1 schools every year, and =
the basketball shooting contest he had with Chris Massey---became big =
news.

* The NCAA investigation of Colorado that somehow followed him =
here...because of the media hype, people seemed to imply that the =
sanctions imposed were the result of recent events, instead of occurring =
several years prior. The fact that he'd not repeated any of these =
offenses during his tenure at Washington seemed to be overlooked by =
most.=20

* The  debacle of the San Francisco interview that didn't =
happen...created by the media eavesdropping on a phone call in the =
airport. Personally, I felt it was reasonable for him to deny taking =
part in the interview if he'd been asked to maintain confidentiality, =
and irresponsible of the media to force the issue. If the 49er's had =
asked him to keep quiet, isn't "NO" the only answer he could have given? =
It wasn't news...job interviews are done privately all the time, and =
it's nobody's business until the decisions are made.  How many times are =
coaches interviewed for new jobs and don't provide full disclose when =
asked?

* And now, his participation in a Final Four bracket with his buddies =
fifteen months ago magically surfaces. While I clearly understand that =
the NCAA establishes these kinds of rules to protect against =
impropriety, the thought that his participation crossed some sort of =
line in what's probably the most widespread and socially-acceptable form =
of gaming---a Final Four Pool---is mind-numbing.  Do these rules apply =
to things like raffle tickets as well?=20

So, Bob Condotta decides that this, like the others before, is =
newsworthy. Has anybody benefited from knowing this information? Am I =
more informed and educated knowing that Rick and his pals did a Final =
Four bracket?

I can fully appreciate the fact that when all of these things are added =
up, it causes one to question his integrity---if our ol' pal Greg Fisher =
was still participating on this list, his legal assessment might include =
something like "goes to character"---but I really believe that the =
positive things he's done for this football team have far outweighed any =
of these other things that seem to get so much attention, and I hope =
there's something salvageable about this situation.
________________________
Scott Callen


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Daniel Luechtefeld [mailto:wolucky at yahoo.com]=20
Sent:	Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:13 PM
To:	Husky Football
Subject:	RE: bullet in the back

--- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> Yeah. So what?=20

accountability.
=20
> BTW, if there is an inside source, as you suggest, I'd like to
> find
> him/her and personally thank him/her.  The sooner we are rid of
> the taint of Skippy, the better off the UW football program is.

believe me, i'll help RN pack.

but well-heeled boosters pulling strings smacks of the kind of
corruption that got us here in the first place. don't be so
complacent as to assume that we're better off in the *long run* for =
this.

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 00:54:32 -0700
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To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 07:04:55 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: bullet in the back
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I buy your theory, but why pull the trigger now?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Luechtefeld" <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:32 AM
Subject: bullet in the back


> inside job.
>
> since RN perpetrated this infraction over 15 months ago speculation
> here is that a Tyee insider waited until the desired moment to pull
> the trigger. makes you wonder if this would have come out had we won
> the Sun Bowl.
>
> Bob Condotta of the Times has been unwilling to reveal his source on
> this story.
>
> if this is true this gives new meaning to the phrase "lack of
> institutional control".
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 08:08:28 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: bullet in the back
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Well thought out post, Scott.

However, I'm not sure I can agree with your statement "the positive
things he's done for this football team have far outweighed any of these
other things that seem to get so much attention".

I find myself asking, "What has he done for UW football that is so
special?"

My biggest complaint is the repeated bad press for the UW as a result of
one investigation after another for things Coach Neuheisel has been
allegedly involved with.  Maybe I'm missing the point, but that would be
a little more easy to tolerate if the performance on the field was off
the charts (in a positive way).

As far as what he'd done for UW football?  Well, the Rose Bowl year was
certainly the high mark.  I don't want to take all of the credit away
from Neuheisel for that season, but let's all remember a certain player
that wore number 11 that basically dragged that team kicking and
screaming all the way to Pasadena.  If I try to look at it objectively,
about the best I can come up with is that he hasn't totally screwed
things up on the field.

I guess I'd say that I expect 7-4 or better each year with a good
showing in a bowl game and a minimum of bad press generated by the
off-field activities of the players and coaches.  I don't feel that is
what is happening.  Neuheisel is 34-15 since coming to UW.  That works
out to an average of 8.25 wins and 3 losses per season and 1-3 in bowl
games.  The amount of negative off-field stuff just doesn't seem to
justify (for me) the rather mediocre (by my UW standards) on-field
performance.  The bowl record is horrible (a good win, a close loss to a
higher ranked team, a choke against a team they had beaten, and a
Lambright-esque "failure to appear" in the Sun Bowl).

I don't know that I think they should fire him.  I think that will
totally torpedo the upcoming season.  I do think that if - and this is a
HUGE if - they can get him to get his act together off the field that he
will continue to develop into a very good coach.

My apologies for the long post.  As somebody else posted - good to see
some activity on the list.  Too bad it comes as a result of more NCAA
investigating.

Go Dawgs!

-Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Callen, Scott G [mailto:scott.g.callen at boeing.com]=20
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:23 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: bullet in the back



I'll admit it...I'm a homer. I still like Neuheisel, and want him to be
our coach. I may be the only one, but I still do.

While I'd agree that he's tended to push the envelope and at least
appeared to play fast and loose with the rules, the kinds of things that
he's gotten in trouble for are small things that have been blown
dramatically out of proportion by the media.=20

* Shortly after his much heralded arrival from Colorado, his recruiting
compliance problems---the "dead period" violation that UW self-reported
that everyone acknowledged happens at Division 1 schools every year, and
the basketball shooting contest he had with Chris Massey---became big
news.

* The NCAA investigation of Colorado that somehow followed him
here...because of the media hype, people seemed to imply that the
sanctions imposed were the result of recent events, instead of occurring
several years prior. The fact that he'd not repeated any of these
offenses during his tenure at Washington seemed to be overlooked by
most.=20

* The  debacle of the San Francisco interview that didn't
happen...created by the media eavesdropping on a phone call in the
airport. Personally, I felt it was reasonable for him to deny taking
part in the interview if he'd been asked to maintain confidentiality,
and irresponsible of the media to force the issue. If the 49er's had
asked him to keep quiet, isn't "NO" the only answer he could have given?
It wasn't news...job interviews are done privately all the time, and
it's nobody's business until the decisions are made.  How many times are
coaches interviewed for new jobs and don't provide full disclose when
asked?

* And now, his participation in a Final Four bracket with his buddies
fifteen months ago magically surfaces. While I clearly understand that
the NCAA establishes these kinds of rules to protect against
impropriety, the thought that his participation crossed some sort of
line in what's probably the most widespread and socially-acceptable form
of gaming---a Final Four Pool---is mind-numbing.  Do these rules apply
to things like raffle tickets as well?=20

So, Bob Condotta decides that this, like the others before, is
newsworthy. Has anybody benefited from knowing this information? Am I
more informed and educated knowing that Rick and his pals did a Final
Four bracket?

I can fully appreciate the fact that when all of these things are added
up, it causes one to question his integrity---if our ol' pal Greg Fisher
was still participating on this list, his legal assessment might include
something like "goes to character"---but I really believe that the
positive things he's done for this football team have far outweighed any
of these other things that seem to get so much attention, and I hope
there's something salvageable about this situation.
________________________ Scott Callen


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Daniel Luechtefeld [mailto:wolucky at yahoo.com]=20
Sent:	Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:13 PM
To:	Husky Football
Subject:	RE: bullet in the back

--- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> Yeah. So what?

accountability.
=20
> BTW, if there is an inside source, as you suggest, I'd like to find
> him/her and personally thank him/her.  The sooner we are rid of
> the taint of Skippy, the better off the UW football program is.

believe me, i'll help RN pack.

but well-heeled boosters pulling strings smacks of the kind of
corruption that got us here in the first place. don't be so complacent
as to assume that we're better off in the *long run* for this.

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 09:11:42 -0700
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Best for the Team and Program
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So, Rick goofs again.  He is spontaneous and likes to have fun.  It is a
double edged sword.

Is it best for the team and program to fire him now, creating another
crises?  Or to reach an agreement with him in private allowing the
University to choose its time to hire a new coach?

I think I would prefer the latter.  

The problem with this is, the NCAA may decide to lynch him now?  What
are they likely to do?

Scott

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 13:11:29 -0700
From: "Bobby Alverts" <hu5k135 at teleport.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: bullet in the back
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RICK'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Some of the things Rick has done well include recruiting, responses
regarding Curtis Williams, bringing back the gold helmets, winning a Rose
Bowl, beating the 'Canes (not to discount the loss to them), involving Don
James, Steve Emtman and Jim Lambright (to what extent I am not sure), and
understanding that Washington demands that a coach fits what it means to be
a 'Husky', even if he doesn't act like he does sometimes.  He knows that he
has a responsibility.... and for this reason, he is responsible for not only
his own actions, but how they depict the University of Washington and the
Husky Football team in particular.
RISKS
If he is fired, we will have to face possible chemistry issues, changes in
assistants (I like this season's assistants), risks of recruiting impacts,
possible player transfers, a coach that may not be able to put it all
together.... oh yeah, the helmets must also not change color.
WHAT WE NEED
We need to get back to Husky Defense!  We need to run the ball!  We need to
get back to making Husky Stadium a scary place for opponents.  We also need
to get rid of that stupid logo that NikeMan created for us.
Any UW Head Coach needs to understand that UDub is NOT a stepping stone to
something better....it is a final destination for someone that can and will
follow the predecessors.  It is about results, commitment, humbly thrashing
opponents, trustworthiness, preparation, and a lifestyle of Huskiness.
Anything less belongs somewhere else.
My $.02 worth!

Bobby Alverts



-----Original Message-----
From: Hjort, Jeff <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: RE: bullet in the back


Well thought out post, Scott.

However, I'm not sure I can agree with your statement "the positive
things he's done for this football team have far outweighed any of these
other things that seem to get so much attention".

I find myself asking, "What has he done for UW football that is so
special?"

My biggest complaint is the repeated bad press for the UW as a result of
one investigation after another for things Coach Neuheisel has been
allegedly involved with.  Maybe I'm missing the point, but that would be
a little more easy to tolerate if the performance on the field was off
the charts (in a positive way).

As far as what he'd done for UW football?  Well, the Rose Bowl year was
certainly the high mark.  I don't want to take all of the credit away
from Neuheisel for that season, but let's all remember a certain player
that wore number 11 that basically dragged that team kicking and
screaming all the way to Pasadena.  If I try to look at it objectively,
about the best I can come up with is that he hasn't totally screwed
things up on the field.

I guess I'd say that I expect 7-4 or better each year with a good
showing in a bowl game and a minimum of bad press generated by the
off-field activities of the players and coaches.  I don't feel that is
what is happening.  Neuheisel is 34-15 since coming to UW.  That works
out to an average of 8.25 wins and 3 losses per season and 1-3 in bowl
games.  The amount of negative off-field stuff just doesn't seem to
justify (for me) the rather mediocre (by my UW standards) on-field
performance.  The bowl record is horrible (a good win, a close loss to a
higher ranked team, a choke against a team they had beaten, and a
Lambright-esque "failure to appear" in the Sun Bowl).

I don't know that I think they should fire him.  I think that will
totally torpedo the upcoming season.  I do think that if - and this is a
HUGE if - they can get him to get his act together off the field that he
will continue to develop into a very good coach.

My apologies for the long post.  As somebody else posted - good to see
some activity on the list.  Too bad it comes as a result of more NCAA
investigating.

Go Dawgs!

-Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Callen, Scott G [mailto:scott.g.callen at boeing.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:23 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: bullet in the back



I'll admit it...I'm a homer. I still like Neuheisel, and want him to be
our coach. I may be the only one, but I still do.

While I'd agree that he's tended to push the envelope and at least
appeared to play fast and loose with the rules, the kinds of things that
he's gotten in trouble for are small things that have been blown
dramatically out of proportion by the media.

* Shortly after his much heralded arrival from Colorado, his recruiting
compliance problems---the "dead period" violation that UW self-reported
that everyone acknowledged happens at Division 1 schools every year, and
the basketball shooting contest he had with Chris Massey---became big
news.

* The NCAA investigation of Colorado that somehow followed him
here...because of the media hype, people seemed to imply that the
sanctions imposed were the result of recent events, instead of occurring
several years prior. The fact that he'd not repeated any of these
offenses during his tenure at Washington seemed to be overlooked by
most.

* The  debacle of the San Francisco interview that didn't
happen...created by the media eavesdropping on a phone call in the
airport. Personally, I felt it was reasonable for him to deny taking
part in the interview if he'd been asked to maintain confidentiality,
and irresponsible of the media to force the issue. If the 49er's had
asked him to keep quiet, isn't "NO" the only answer he could have given?
It wasn't news...job interviews are done privately all the time, and
it's nobody's business until the decisions are made.  How many times are
coaches interviewed for new jobs and don't provide full disclose when
asked?

* And now, his participation in a Final Four bracket with his buddies
fifteen months ago magically surfaces. While I clearly understand that
the NCAA establishes these kinds of rules to protect against
impropriety, the thought that his participation crossed some sort of
line in what's probably the most widespread and socially-acceptable form
of gaming---a Final Four Pool---is mind-numbing.  Do these rules apply
to things like raffle tickets as well?

So, Bob Condotta decides that this, like the others before, is
newsworthy. Has anybody benefited from knowing this information? Am I
more informed and educated knowing that Rick and his pals did a Final
Four bracket?

I can fully appreciate the fact that when all of these things are added
up, it causes one to question his integrity---if our ol' pal Greg Fisher
was still participating on this list, his legal assessment might include
something like "goes to character"---but I really believe that the
positive things he's done for this football team have far outweighed any
of these other things that seem to get so much attention, and I hope
there's something salvageable about this situation.
________________________ Scott Callen


-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Luechtefeld [mailto:wolucky at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:13 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: bullet in the back

--- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> Yeah. So what?

accountability.

> BTW, if there is an inside source, as you suggest, I'd like to find
> him/her and personally thank him/her.  The sooner we are rid of
> the taint of Skippy, the better off the UW football program is.

believe me, i'll help RN pack.

but well-heeled boosters pulling strings smacks of the kind of
corruption that got us here in the first place. don't be so complacent
as to assume that we're better off in the *long run* for this.

=====
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would reception be if i had a receiver implanted?

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:38:47 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: ESPN's take
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Adrian Wojnarowski weighs in:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/wojnarowski_adrian/1564402.html

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: bullet in the back
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--- Bobby Alverts <hu5k135 at teleport.com> wrote:

> We need to
> get back to making Husky Stadium a scary place for opponents.

the only way this will happen is if testosterone replacement therapy
is mandated for the most tenured season ticket holders.

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 14:14:38 -0700
From: "Bobby Alverts" <hu5k135 at teleport.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: bullet in the back
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As far as the fans...good point.
As far as our players...we need lots of work!
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Date: Friday, June 06, 2003 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: bullet in the back


>--- Bobby Alverts <hu5k135 at teleport.com> wrote:
>
>> We need to
>> get back to making Husky Stadium a scary place for opponents.
>
>the only way this will happen is if testosterone replacement therapy
>is mandated for the most tenured season ticket holders.
>
>=====
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>
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1801

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) the jockeying begins
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  2) RE: the jockeying begins
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
  3) RE: ESPN's take
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
  4) Re: the jockeying begins
	by "Beefyboy" <beefyboy at commspeed.net>
  5) RE: ESPN's take
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
  6) Re: bullet in the back
	by "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
  7) RE: bullet in the back
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:50:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
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RN says he'll fight to save his job.

translation: "i'll fight for the best severance package."

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  <span class="ysptimedate">June 6, 2003</span><p>
  
  
  SEATTLE (AP) -- Washington football coach Rick Neuheisel told staff members and players that he will fight to keep his job, a day after acknowledging participating in NCAA basketball pools. 
<p>``I told them I was going to fight this, just like we fought when we were 4-5. My first, second and third choice on this is to remain the Washington coach,'' he said Thursday night after meeting with the team in a previously scheduled gathering. 
<p>Asked if he would continue to coach the Huskies, he said, ``Until I'm told otherwise.'' 
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``I believe I am completely innocent,'' he told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer late Thursday night. 
<p>NCAA president Myles Brand told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Friday that he couldn't comment specifically on the case because Neuheisel was under investigation by the NCAA and the Pac-10. 
<p>``But I can comment on issues of gambling by a coach that involve young people,'' Brand said. ``I feel that it's totally unacceptable behavior. It's wrong and should be dealt with severely.'' 
<p>Brand said that if he were a school president, he would ``take personnel action.'' 
<p>University officials met Thursday to discuss Neuheisel's future, with athletic department spokesman Jim Daves saying Thursday night that the school had no comment. 
<p>Lee Huntsman, the university's interim president, was in meetings with athletic officials and did not immediately return a phone call from The Associated Press seeking comment. 
<p>The Seattle Times reported Thursday that Neuheisel participated in NCAA basketball pools the past two years. Two NCAA investigators and one from the Pac-10 Conference questioned him Wednesday after receiving a tip that he put up $5,000 and won about $20,000 by picking Maryland in 2002. 
<p>The NCAA manual specifies that coaches, staff members and athletes may not knowingly ``solicit or accept a bet on any intercollegiate competition for any item (e.g., cash, shirt, dinner) that has tangible value.'' 
<p>Huskies athletic director Barbara Hedges told The Seattle Times she learned of Neuheisel's involvement in the betting pools late Wednesday and promised ``a careful review of all the facts.'' 
<p>``Gambling is a serious violation of NCAA rules,'' Hedges said. ``You can't minimize this. The university will take this very seriously.'' 
<p>Neuheisel said earlier he was part of a four-member ``team'' that had the overall winner in both years he participated in what he described as a pizza-and-beer gathering. 
<p>``I never knowingly participating in anything that I thought was against NCAA regulations,'' he told KING-TV on Thursday. ``I thought I was at a neighborhood social gathering that was for fun. It'd been going on for some 20 years ... I got invited.'' 
<p>Neuheisel said his group split its winnings but he would not discuss dollar amounts. 
<p>Under the auction format, participants bid on each team. The highest bid gets that team in the tournament. 
<p>The 42-year-old Neuheisel has a 33-15 record in four seasons with the Huskies. Under a six-year contract extension he signed in September, he makes $1.2 million a year, and a five-year option could keep him at Washington until 2013. 
<p>The kind of pool Neuheisel described is not against state law unless a bookmaker is involved, but NCAA rules forbid any form of gambling on college sports by athletes and coaching staff. 
<p>Institutions can be sanctioned in such cases if violations were known to college officials or if the NCAA finds they should have known. 
<p>Many college athletic departments ban even small-change tournament brackets that are commonly filled out in offices nationwide during ``March Madness.'' 
<p>``If an athlete or coach put $1 in a pool, certainly there would not be a significant penalty,'' said Bill Saum, the NCAA's director of agent, gambling and amateurism activities. ``If there is a significant amount of money in the pool, there would be a significant penalty.'' 
<p>The Times reported that the NCAA investigators also questioned Neuheisel about two potential minor violations. 
<p>Neuheisel's most recent indiscretion was in February, when he issued a statement through the university denying he had been interviewed for the <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sfo/">San Francisco 49ers</a>' coaching vacancy -- then admitted he had in fact been interviewed. 
<p>Thursday is the deadline for the Huskies to report to the NCAA that Neuheisel has fulfilled all compliance requirements concerning 50 minor violations that were committed while he was coach at Colorado from 1995-98. 
<p>As the last requirement on the list, Neuheisel attended a regular NCAA compliance seminar Wednesday with athletic department officials from many schools.<p>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 15:55:18 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: the jockeying begins
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With Myles Brand's statement today it really looks like Barbara is going
to have to take action whether she wants to or not.

It really seems the UW is suffering miserably in the press for this one.
Too bad.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Luechtefeld [mailto:wolucky at yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:51 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: the jockeying begins


RN says he'll fight to save his job.

translation: "i'll fight for the best severance package."

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:23:30 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
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The last 3 paragraphs are spot on. No doubt Babs is going to play this
for maximum butt-coverage. Nonetheless, I do hope the next UW President
is reading the papers and thinking about taking a hard look at our AD's
performance. 

Chris Carrel
ccarrel at attbi.com


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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:39 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: ESPN's take

Adrian Wojnarowski weighs in:

http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/wojnarowski_adrian/1564402.html

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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 17:04:10 -0700
From: "Beefyboy" <beefyboy at commspeed.net>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: the jockeying begins
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I really liked RN but "the I didn't know"  has run it's course. LOSE HIM
QUICKLY AND WITH THE CLEAR MESSAGE THAT UW HAD NOTHING TO DO DO WITH THE
LATEST SCREWUP. UW IS ONLY QUILTY OF HAVING RN AS COACH. I like defense so
make Snow head coach and let the offense lead the way for this year.
NAZDesertDawg
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: the jockeying begins


With Myles Brand's statement today it really looks like Barbara is going
to have to take action whether she wants to or not.

It really seems the UW is suffering miserably in the press for this one.
Too bad.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Luechtefeld [mailto:wolucky at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:51 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: the jockeying begins


RN says he'll fight to save his job.

translation: "i'll fight for the best severance package."

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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 17:28:20 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: ESPN's take
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She's clearly proven herself woefully incapable of overseeing implementation 
of an effective compliance education program. My nominations for a new AD 
are: Lou Henson, June Jones, Tommy Franks and, of course, Jim Lambright.

>From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: RE: ESPN's take
>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 16:23:30 -0700
>
>
>The last 3 paragraphs are spot on. No doubt Babs is going to play this
>for maximum butt-coverage. Nonetheless, I do hope the next UW President
>is reading the papers and thinking about taking a hard look at our AD's
>performance.
>
>Chris Carrel
>ccarrel at attbi.com
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
>Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 12:39 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: ESPN's take
>
>Adrian Wojnarowski weighs in:
>
>http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/wojnarowski_adrian/1564402.html
>
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Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 20:28:13 -0700
From: "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: bullet in the back
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Well than he not only stabbed Rick in the back, he stabbed all husky fans.

2 months before Summer practices?  If thats not a stab in the back, I dont 
know what is.  He should have done it in feb.


>From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: bullet in the back
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
>
>inside job.
>
>since RN perpetrated this infraction over 15 months ago speculation
>here is that a Tyee insider waited until the desired moment to pull
>the trigger. makes you wonder if this would have come out had we won
>the Sun Bowl.
>
>Bob Condotta of the Times has been unwilling to reveal his source on
>this story.
>
>if this is true this gives new meaning to the phrase "lack of
>institutional control".
>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 20:35:37 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: bullet in the back
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I'm sorry, but Skippy was stabbed in the back?! Come on. You've been
listening to too many of Skippy's press conferences. We've got a
football coach who was breaking the cardinal rule of the NCAA - don't
bet on college athletics. Never. Period.

Regardless of the timing, the motive, the method, whatever, there is
only one person who done Husky football wrong here. And that's Mr.
Sweater Vest. And whoever it is that helped get this fact to light, has
helped Husky football out of its death spiral. 

Woof!

Chris Carrel
ccarrel at attbi.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Corey Rechter
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 7:28 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: bullet in the back

Well than he not only stabbed Rick in the back, he stabbed all husky
fans.

2 months before Summer practices?  If thats not a stab in the back, I
dont 
know what is.  He should have done it in feb.


>From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: bullet in the back
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 21:32:25 -0700 (PDT)
>
>inside job.
>
>since RN perpetrated this infraction over 15 months ago speculation
>here is that a Tyee insider waited until the desired moment to pull
>the trigger. makes you wonder if this would have come out had we won
>the Sun Bowl.
>
>Bob Condotta of the Times has been unwilling to reveal his source on
>this story.
>
>if this is true this gives new meaning to the phrase "lack of
>institutional control".
>
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1802

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) more trouble on the horizon?
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  2) Whine of the Week
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
  3) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
  4) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  5) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  6) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
  7) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  8) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
  9) Phoenix Dawgs?
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
 10) PI: "Athletic Department Out of Control"
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 11) Seattletimes.com: Neuheisel says NCAA pool met UW guidelines
	by bhoard at attbi.com
 12) Seattletimes.com: Back on field, Neuheisel shows his old swagger
	by bhoard at attbi.com
 13) Forwarded story from seattlepi.com
	by <bhoard at attbi.com>
 14) Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 15) Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 16) RE: Seattletimes.com: Neuheisel says NCAA pool met UW guidelines
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
 17) RE: the jockeying begins
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
 18) RE: more trouble on the horizon?
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
 19) What if...
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 20) RE: What if...
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>

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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:40:20 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: more trouble on the horizon?
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As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an internal 
Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.  The memo 
essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate in NCAA 
tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine this was 
intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the coaches.  
However...

This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's actions. 
The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not knowing NCAA 
rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this getting the 
school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of institutional 
control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the program getting 
in bigger trouble.

Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime tonight 
(for dawgtales subscribers).

Max

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 20:19:09 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
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Subject: Whine of the Week
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For those of you familiar with MSNBC's Whine of the Week, Neuheisel was
a shoo-in:

 

http://www.msnbc.com/news/804062.asp?0ql=c9p

 

 

Chris Carrel

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 21:51:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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When, and from where, did this rumor surface?  Or should I say, how
reliable is it?



	--Steve


On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:

> As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an internal
> Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.  The memo
> essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate in NCAA
> tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine this was
> intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the coaches.
> However...
>
> This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's actions.
> The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not knowing NCAA
> rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this getting the
> school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of institutional
> control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the program getting
> in bigger trouble.
>
> Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime tonight
> (for dawgtales subscribers).
>
> Max
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:03:47 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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King 5 first reported it last night, and it's been mentioned in the Dawgman 
articles this afternoon.  I'd say it's pretty reliable.  What this will all 
come down to is an interpretation of the rules (what else is new with 
Neuheisel transgressions?)...

Was Neuheisel going against the rules laid down by the memo?
Was the memo going against the NCAA rules on gambling?
Was Neuheisel going against the NCAA rules as they're written, or simply 
against the spirit of the NCAA rules?

Blah, blah, blah.  The next day or two should be interesting.

Max


>
>When, and from where, did this rumor surface?  Or should I say, how
>reliable is it?
>
>
>
>	--Steve
>
>
>On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:
>
> > As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an internal
> > Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.  The 
>memo
> > essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate in NCAA
> > tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine this was
> > intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the 
>coaches.
> > However...
> >
> > This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's 
>actions.
> > The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not knowing 
>NCAA
> > rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this getting the
> > school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of 
>institutional
> > control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the program 
>getting
> > in bigger trouble.
> >
> > Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime tonight
> > (for dawgtales subscribers).
> >
> > Max
> >
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:23:00 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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I should add that supposedly, some folks from the NCAA have been quoted as 
saying that this is the worst gambling case they've ever dealt with, by far. 
  Given some of the point shaving scandals that have plagued college sports 
in the past, IMO this is a gross overstatement... but then again, they've 
never liked Rick, so they may as well play it up.


>
>King 5 first reported it last night, and it's been mentioned in the Dawgman 
>articles this afternoon.  I'd say it's pretty reliable.  What this will all 
>come down to is an interpretation of the rules (what else is new with 
>Neuheisel transgressions?)...
>
>Was Neuheisel going against the rules laid down by the memo?
>Was the memo going against the NCAA rules on gambling?
>Was Neuheisel going against the NCAA rules as they're written, or simply 
>against the spirit of the NCAA rules?
>
>Blah, blah, blah.  The next day or two should be interesting.
>
>Max
>
>
>>
>>When, and from where, did this rumor surface?  Or should I say, how
>>reliable is it?
>>
>>
>>
>>	--Steve
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:
>>
>> > As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an internal
>> > Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.  The 
>>memo
>> > essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate in NCAA
>> > tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine this was
>> > intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the 
>>coaches.
>> > However...
>> >
>> > This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's 
>>actions.
>> > The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not knowing 
>>NCAA
>> > rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this getting the
>> > school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of 
>>institutional
>> > control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the program 
>>getting
>> > in bigger trouble.
>> >
>> > Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime 
>>tonight
>> > (for dawgtales subscribers).
>> >
>> > Max
>> >
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Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 22:25:55 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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With these increasing reports of apparent high level malfeasance, it just 
makes one wonder what stories we don't hear about. Certainly the Seattle 
Times isn't clever enough to discover every single little "slip up". An 
NCAA-installed Trustee in lieu of an AD might be the only thing to keep us 
from becoming the Chicago or SMU of the Pac Ten.

Of course - and not to belabor my absolute correctness over the last 
quadrenium on this point but - this was all to be expected from a Department 
who thought it would be a bright idea to spend twice as much on an unethical 
coach who has achieved a virtually identical record as the ethical Coach 
Lambright.

>From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: more trouble on the horizon?
>Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2003 18:40:20 -0700
>
>As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an internal 
>Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.  The memo 
>essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate in NCAA 
>tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine this was 
>intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the coaches.  
>However...
>
>This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's actions. 
>The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not knowing NCAA 
>rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this getting the 
>school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of institutional 
>control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the program getting 
>in bigger trouble.
>
>Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime tonight 
>(for dawgtales subscribers).
>
>Max
>
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 22:27:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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--- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Blah, blah, blah.  The next day or two should be interesting.

if true this is a disaster. 

instead of a cheap and easy out we're looking at paying an ex-coach
for God knows how long. but only after this gets dragged out in
court and the press for God knows how long.

it goes without saying that this would demand Ms. Hedges execution.
barring that we could accept her dismissal.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:12:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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That is an extreme exaggeration.  However, even if it is proven that there
was this memo that said it was ok, he will probably still be fired, and
then the NCAA will lower the axe on the program too.  I cannot say I will
shed a tear if Babs gets fired...



	--Steve


On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:

> I should add that supposedly, some folks from the NCAA have been quoted as
> saying that this is the worst gambling case they've ever dealt with, by far.
>   Given some of the point shaving scandals that have plagued college sports
> in the past, IMO this is a gross overstatement... but then again, they've
> never liked Rick, so they may as well play it up.
>
>
> >
> >King 5 first reported it last night, and it's been mentioned in the Dawgman
> >articles this afternoon.  I'd say it's pretty reliable.  What this will all
> >come down to is an interpretation of the rules (what else is new with
> >Neuheisel transgressions?)...
> >
> >Was Neuheisel going against the rules laid down by the memo?
> >Was the memo going against the NCAA rules on gambling?
> >Was Neuheisel going against the NCAA rules as they're written, or simply
> >against the spirit of the NCAA rules?
> >
> >Blah, blah, blah.  The next day or two should be interesting.
> >
> >Max
> >
> >
> >>
> >>When, and from where, did this rumor surface?  Or should I say, how
> >>reliable is it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>	--Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:
> >>
> >> > As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an internal
> >> > Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.  The
> >>memo
> >> > essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate in NCAA
> >> > tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine this was
> >> > intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the
> >>coaches.
> >> > However...
> >> >
> >> > This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's
> >>actions.
> >> > The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not knowing
> >>NCAA
> >> > rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this getting the
> >> > school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of
> >>institutional
> >> > control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the program
> >>getting
> >> > in bigger trouble.
> >> >
> >> > Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime
> >>tonight
> >> > (for dawgtales subscribers).
> >> >
> >> > Max
> >> >
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Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2003 23:15:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Phoenix Dawgs?
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So I am moving to Tempe next year to go to Grad school at ASU, and I am
looking for some way to be able to watch the games (if we still have a
football program) on TV.  I think I remember that some of the people on
this list were from Phoenix...is there any good bar to go to that will
have them on, or a TV package to buy, or does anyone have a game watching
party?  Any info would be appreciated!  I dont want to be stuck watching
the Sun Devils all year.  Thanks!



	--Steve



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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 03:41:08 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: PI: "Athletic Department Out of Control"
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The leader on Art Thiel's column in this mornings PI. It details a story of 
mismanagement and intrigue in a scandal ridden Athletic Department.

"the athletic department isn't on the same pages as the NCAA, and perhaps 
doesn't know what it is doing"

"in NCAA parlance, it displays a 'lack of institutional control'"

Oh well. Expect a run on season tickets for girls volleyball.

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competition in 1987. Teaching of football fundamentals or techniques shall 
be prohibited; no instruction, including walking through plays or watching 
films, shall be permitted. The penalties are designed ... to compensate for 
a pattern of purposeful violation ... of NCAA regulations by Southern 
Methodist University. The new administration of the university has expressed 
hope for a new beginning in athletics and canceling the football season in 
1987 will afford an opportunity for the university to start a new football 
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:41:53 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Seattletimes.com: Neuheisel says NCAA pool met UW guidelines
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By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter





University of Washington football coach Rick Neuheisel, under investigation by the NCAA for gambling on college basketball, defended himself yesterday by releasing an e-mail from a UW official in March that he believed approved participation in NCAA tournament pools. 

The NCAA questioned Neuheisel on Wednesday after receiving a tip he had been part of a four-person team that bet $5,000 and won $20,000 in a pool in 2002. 

Neuheisel has acknowledged being part of another four-person team this spring that also won, though he has declined to reveal how much money was involved in the second pool. 

NCAA rules prohibit such activity. If Neuheisel is found to have committed a violation, based on precedent, penalties could include a one- or two-year suspension. 

NCAA rules state coaches, players and other personnel cannot knowingly "solicit or accept a bet on any intercollegiate competition for any item (e.g. cash, shirt, dinner) that has tangible value." 

But an e-mail dated March 13 to all UW athletic-department personnel with e-mail addresses also included an interpretation of the NCAA rule that Neuheisel said he thought made his actions in the gambling pool permissible. 

A source close to the investigation said the e-mail is a reminder on NCAA gambling rules sent out every year prior to the basketball tournament. At the bottom of the e-mail was an interpretation of the NCAA rule requested by a UW athletic-department member, but not Neuheisel. 

"The bottom line of these rules is that if you have friends outside of ICA (Intercollegiate Athletics) that have pools on any of the basketball tournaments, you can participate," the e-mail read. "You cannot place bets with a bookie or organize your own pool inside or outside of ICA." 

Neuheisel said this year's pool was March 19. 

"I have followed the University of Washington's rules, and I believed and still believe that the University of Washington's rules are in compliance with the NCAA's rules," Neuheisel said yesterday while taking part in a high-school football jamboree at Husky Stadium. 

If the NCAA decides Neuheisel violated NCAA rules by taking part in the pool, the e-mail could put the university at risk of penalty. Institutions can be sanctioned if they knew or should have known of a gambling violation. 

University officials would not comment other than to acknowledge the existence of the e-mail, which was headlined "Reminder on NCAA Rules Against Gambling" and signed by Dana Richardson, the UW's assistant athletic director for compliance. 

The top of the e-mail cited NCAA rules on gambling, including a section from NCAA Bylaw 10.3 that says athletic-department personnel shall not "knowingly" engage in "any gambling activity that involves intercollegiate athletics or professional athletics, through a bookmaker, a parlay card or any other method employed by organized gambling." 

UW officials are expected to discuss the e-mail with NCAA officials this morning. A source close to the investigation indicated the UW had been ready to make an announcement regarding Neuheisel's future Friday before learning of the e-mail in the afternoon, too late to contact the Indianapolis-based NCAA. 

Neuheisel said he made the existence of the e-mail public after reading a newspaper story that said all UW athletic-department personnel had received an e-mail telling them they couldn't take part in any NCAA college-basketball pools. 

"I have been attacked relentlessly for the last three, four days, so when I saw the e-mail reported in an incorrect fashion, I wanted to correct it because it wasn't reported the right way, and I owed it to my family to do so," he said. 

Asked why he hadn't mentioned the e-mail when questioned about the pool last week, he declined to answer. Neuheisel made no mention of the e-mail in two interviews with The Seattle Times last week nor when approached by numerous other reporters. 

"I think what's important to do here is let the process run," he said. "I want to coach here. It's been my first, second and third goal, and it's important to me that we let the investigation (by) the University of Washington and the NCAA take its course. If we do that, I feel very confident that regardless of how you feel about me, that it will be clearly understandable that I didn't break any University of Washington rules, and that I felt and still feel that they were in accord with NCAA rules. ... 

"What I want and what I am asking for is patience." 

Neuheisel said he did see the e-mail before this year's pool. He said he was uncertain if he had seen such an e-mail before taking part in the pool in 2002. 

"The memo is a reminder, it's not a change in university policy," Neuheisel said. "I don't recall a memo the year before, but I do know that the policy hadn't changed, that it was just a reminder of what I felt all along, and this just confirmed my feelings." 

Though Neuheisel talked Friday of having discussions with UW officials, he said he has been talking to them only about the investigation and not over a settlement of his contract. 

Neuheisel has five years left on a contract that guarantees him $1.21 million per season. He also received a loan in August for $1.5 million that would not have to be repaid if he is coach Jan. 1, 2008. 

"Everybody was concluding those were settlement talks," he said. "No. I'm just trying to explain so everybody understands I did not break any University of Washington rules." 

Asked whether he believes the investigation has eroded support for him in the UW community, Neuheisel said, "I would hope that's not the case. Barbara Hedges has told me her first choice is to have me be her coach." 

Asked if Hedges had told him that since news of the investigation broke, he said, "I'm going to let that one (question) go." 

Bob Condotta: 206-515-5699 or bcondotta at seattletimes.com 






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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 05:46:59 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Seattletimes.com: Back on field, Neuheisel shows his old swagger
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The swagger was back. 

The sleeves on Rick Neuheisel's gray University of Washington T-shirt were rolled up. He wore shiny black sweat pants and a Washington baseball cap and, maybe, the first smile he has had since he was confronted Wednesday with the NCAA's gambling allegations. 

He was on the Husky Stadium turf again. Coaching kids. Watching games. Participating in this one-day high-school football jamboree called, "A Day at the Lake." 

"It was fun to put my stuff on," Neuheisel said at the end of the day. "You take things for granted. Just to go into the locker room and put my gear on, and my hat and my sweatshirt, and walk around and talk to high-school kids on our campus, participating in football, that's why I do what I do. And I soaked it up." 

But even more important, he believes he has found his salvation. College football's nine-lives coach acted as if he believes he will survive another imperfect storm. 

An e-mail to UW athletic staff, dated March 13, 2003, from Dana Richardson, UW assistant athletic director for compliance, said that participating in an off-campus betting pool that doesn't involve the intercollegiate athletic family and isn't organized by a member of the athletic staff doesn't violate NCAA rules against gambling. 

"This confirms what I've always believed," Neuheisel said. "Never in my wildest dreams did I think I was breaking the rules." 



He posed for pictures. He gave thumbs up to the high-school coaches he saw. He wrapped an arm around Bobby Kennedy, Washington's wide receiver coach. 

In the middle of a scandal that could cost him his job and millions of dollars, Neuheisel looked untouchable again on his home field. He looked noticeably more relaxed than he was in public at the end of last week. 

This was business as usual. 

"I'm very confident that I didn't break any University of Washington rules," he said. "And I don't think that the University of Washington rules are contradictory to those of the NCAA." 

But the memo raises questions that haven't been answered. Does it contradict the NCAA's ban on gambling? And, when he was accused of illegal gambling, why wasn't the memo the first piece of evidence Neuheisel mentioned in his defense? 

"I think what's important to do here is to let the process run because I don't want to divide," he said. "If we do that, I feel very confident ... that it will be clearly understandable that I didn't break any University of Washington rules." 

Neuheisel sounded like a man who expects to be on the sideline at Ohio State on Aug. 30. He said he wants to get back to talking about football. He wants to put the focus back on the field. 

But why is the focus always on Neuheisel? For an offensive-minded coach, he seems to spend a lot of his time on defense. 

He's explaining why he lied about the interview he had for the vacant San Francisco 49ers job, or explaining why he was guilty of some 50 minor rules violations at Colorado, or explaining why he allowed his assistants to make illegal recruiting visits. 

There is a continuing pattern of recklessness in his behavior. 



When his neighbors asked Neuheisel if he wanted to play in their March Madness pool, instinctively he should have declined. It was gambling. Why take the chance? 

And, as piddling as the offense is, look at the storm it has created. 

And before anyone blames this on the media, remember the NCAA started its investigation before a word was written. 

Neuheisel is a lightning rod for trouble. There is almost a feeling of inevitability. If he gets off on this charge, something else will arise. It always does with him. 

When he met with his players last week to explain his participation in the neighborhood pool, many players must have mumbled to themselves, "Haven't we heard this all before?" 

So when is enough enough? 

How many more investigations, player meetings and explanatory news conferences does Neuheisel have to have before even his most staunch supporter, athletic director Barbara Hedges, loses patience? 

>From how many more embarrassing situations will he be allowed to wiggle free? 

"I want the story to conclude, and then I'll answer all the questions," Neuheisel said. "Let's see what transpires here, then I want to talk about Ohio State. I'm not a quitter. I'm going to fight as long as they'll allow me to." 

But it's time for Barbara Hedges finally to say, "Enough." No more explanations. No more excuses. No more chances. 

Steve Kelley: 206-464-2176 or skelley at seattletimes.com. 






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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 06:04:33 -0700
From: <bhoard at attbi.com>
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Huskies athletic dept. out of control
Disclosure of a staff-wide e-mail supposedly granting university
permission for the kind of sports-pool betting that has
Washington coach Rick Neuheisel in trouble means one thing: When
he goes down, others may go with him.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
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steve,

check the Alumni Association homepage for a list of chapters. if the
Phoenix chapter doesn't have a viewing party organized they'd gladly
welcome yours.

--- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu> wrote:
> So I am moving to Tempe next year to go to Grad school at ASU, and
> I am
> looking for some way to be able to watch the games (if we still
> have a
> football program) on TV.  I think I remember that some of the
> people on
> this list were from Phoenix...is there any good bar to go to that
> will
> have them on, or a TV package to buy, or does anyone have a game
> watching
> party?  Any info would be appreciated!  I dont want to be stuck
> watching
> the Sun Devils all year.  Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
> 	--Steve
> 
> 


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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 12:59:52 -0400
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You can also get the ESPN Game Plan, which frequently offers Husky games for
cable- and satellite-equipped viewers.

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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Phoenix Dawgs?


> steve,
>
> check the Alumni Association homepage for a list of chapters. if the
> Phoenix chapter doesn't have a viewing party organized they'd gladly
> welcome yours.
>
> --- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > So I am moving to Tempe next year to go to Grad school at ASU, and
> > I am
> > looking for some way to be able to watch the games (if we still
> > have a
> > football program) on TV.  I think I remember that some of the
> > people on
> > this list were from Phoenix...is there any good bar to go to that
> > will
> > have them on, or a TV package to buy, or does anyone have a game
> > watching
> > party?  Any info would be appreciated!  I dont want to be stuck
> > watching
> > the Sun Devils all year.  Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
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would reception be if i had a receiver implanted?
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:05:30 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Seattletimes.com: Neuheisel says NCAA pool met UW guidelines
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More like ..."the plot sickens!"

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Neuheisel says NCAA pool met UW guidelines
Full story:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134940876_neuheisel09.html

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter





University of Washington football coach Rick Neuheisel, under
investigation by the NCAA for gambling on college basketball, defended
himself yesterday by releasing an e-mail from a UW official in March
that he believed approved participation in NCAA tournament pools.=20

The NCAA questioned Neuheisel on Wednesday after receiving a tip he had
been part of a four-person team that bet $5,000 and won $20,000 in a
pool in 2002.=20

Neuheisel has acknowledged being part of another four-person team this
spring that also won, though he has declined to reveal how much money
was involved in the second pool.=20

NCAA rules prohibit such activity. If Neuheisel is found to have
committed a violation, based on precedent, penalties could include a
one- or two-year suspension.=20

NCAA rules state coaches, players and other personnel cannot knowingly
"solicit or accept a bet on any intercollegiate competition for any item
(e.g. cash, shirt, dinner) that has tangible value."=20

But an e-mail dated March 13 to all UW athletic-department personnel
with e-mail addresses also included an interpretation of the NCAA rule
that Neuheisel said he thought made his actions in the gambling pool
permissible.=20

A source close to the investigation said the e-mail is a reminder on
NCAA gambling rules sent out every year prior to the basketball
tournament. At the bottom of the e-mail was an interpretation of the
NCAA rule requested by a UW athletic-department member, but not
Neuheisel.=20

"The bottom line of these rules is that if you have friends outside of
ICA (Intercollegiate Athletics) that have pools on any of the basketball
tournaments, you can participate," the e-mail read. "You cannot place
bets with a bookie or organize your own pool inside or outside of ICA."=20

Neuheisel said this year's pool was March 19.=20

"I have followed the University of Washington's rules, and I believed
and still believe that the University of Washington's rules are in
compliance with the NCAA's rules," Neuheisel said yesterday while taking
part in a high-school football jamboree at Husky Stadium.=20

If the NCAA decides Neuheisel violated NCAA rules by taking part in the
pool, the e-mail could put the university at risk of penalty.
Institutions can be sanctioned if they knew or should have known of a
gambling violation.=20

University officials would not comment other than to acknowledge the
existence of the e-mail, which was headlined "Reminder on NCAA Rules
Against Gambling" and signed by Dana Richardson, the UW's assistant
athletic director for compliance.=20

The top of the e-mail cited NCAA rules on gambling, including a section
from NCAA Bylaw 10.3 that says athletic-department personnel shall not
"knowingly" engage in "any gambling activity that involves
intercollegiate athletics or professional athletics, through a
bookmaker, a parlay card or any other method employed by organized
gambling."=20

UW officials are expected to discuss the e-mail with NCAA officials this
morning. A source close to the investigation indicated the UW had been
ready to make an announcement regarding Neuheisel's future Friday before
learning of the e-mail in the afternoon, too late to contact the
Indianapolis-based NCAA.=20

Neuheisel said he made the existence of the e-mail public after reading
a newspaper story that said all UW athletic-department personnel had
received an e-mail telling them they couldn't take part in any NCAA
college-basketball pools.=20

"I have been attacked relentlessly for the last three, four days, so
when I saw the e-mail reported in an incorrect fashion, I wanted to
correct it because it wasn't reported the right way, and I owed it to my
family to do so," he said.=20

Asked why he hadn't mentioned the e-mail when questioned about the pool
last week, he declined to answer. Neuheisel made no mention of the
e-mail in two interviews with The Seattle Times last week nor when
approached by numerous other reporters.=20

"I think what's important to do here is let the process run," he said.
"I want to coach here. It's been my first, second and third goal, and
it's important to me that we let the investigation (by) the University
of Washington and the NCAA take its course. If we do that, I feel very
confident that regardless of how you feel about me, that it will be
clearly understandable that I didn't break any University of Washington
rules, and that I felt and still feel that they were in accord with NCAA
rules. ...=20

"What I want and what I am asking for is patience."=20

Neuheisel said he did see the e-mail before this year's pool. He said he
was uncertain if he had seen such an e-mail before taking part in the
pool in 2002.=20

"The memo is a reminder, it's not a change in university policy,"
Neuheisel said. "I don't recall a memo the year before, but I do know
that the policy hadn't changed, that it was just a reminder of what I
felt all along, and this just confirmed my feelings."=20

Though Neuheisel talked Friday of having discussions with UW officials,
he said he has been talking to them only about the investigation and not
over a settlement of his contract.=20

Neuheisel has five years left on a contract that guarantees him $1.21
million per season. He also received a loan in August for $1.5 million
that would not have to be repaid if he is coach Jan. 1, 2008.=20

"Everybody was concluding those were settlement talks," he said. "No.
I'm just trying to explain so everybody understands I did not break any
University of Washington rules."=20

Asked whether he believes the investigation has eroded support for him
in the UW community, Neuheisel said, "I would hope that's not the case.
Barbara Hedges has told me her first choice is to have me be her coach."


Asked if Hedges had told him that since news of the investigation broke,
he said, "I'm going to let that one (question) go."=20

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:14:05 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: the jockeying begins
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"LOSE HIM QUICKLY AND WITH THE CLEAR MESSAGE THAT UW HAD NOTHING TO DO
WITH THE LATEST SCREWUP. UW IS ONLY QUILTY OF HAVING RN AS COACH."

Ooooops...just a LITTLE to do with it (see MEMO).  Forget about hanging
RN, he comes out in the wash...the real culpability lies in the hands of
babs...that's the U-Haul I'll help pack!

~Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Beefyboy
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 5:04 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: the jockeying begins

I really liked RN but "the I didn't know"  has run it's course. LOSE HIM
QUICKLY AND WITH THE CLEAR MESSAGE THAT UW HAD NOTHING TO DO DO WITH THE
LATEST SCREWUP. UW IS ONLY QUILTY OF HAVING RN AS COACH. I like defense
so
make Snow head coach and let the offense lead the way for this year.
NAZDesertDawg
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: the jockeying begins


With Myles Brand's statement today it really looks like Barbara is going
to have to take action whether she wants to or not.

It really seems the UW is suffering miserably in the press for this one.
Too bad.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Luechtefeld [mailto:wolucky at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:51 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: the jockeying begins


RN says he'll fight to save his job.

translation: "i'll fight for the best severance package."

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 11:02:22 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: more trouble on the horizon?
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The axe will (and should) fall on:

	Rick
	The institution
	Dana
	Babs



-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Steven Finkelstein
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 11:12 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?

That is an extreme exaggeration.  However, even if it is proven that
there
was this memo that said it was ok, he will probably still be fired, and
then the NCAA will lower the axe on the program too.  I cannot say I
will
shed a tear if Babs gets fired...



	--Steve


On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:

> I should add that supposedly, some folks from the NCAA have been
quoted as
> saying that this is the worst gambling case they've ever dealt with,
by far.
>   Given some of the point shaving scandals that have plagued college
sports
> in the past, IMO this is a gross overstatement... but then again,
they've
> never liked Rick, so they may as well play it up.
>
>
> >
> >King 5 first reported it last night, and it's been mentioned in the
Dawgman
> >articles this afternoon.  I'd say it's pretty reliable.  What this
will all
> >come down to is an interpretation of the rules (what else is new with
> >Neuheisel transgressions?)...
> >
> >Was Neuheisel going against the rules laid down by the memo?
> >Was the memo going against the NCAA rules on gambling?
> >Was Neuheisel going against the NCAA rules as they're written, or
simply
> >against the spirit of the NCAA rules?
> >
> >Blah, blah, blah.  The next day or two should be interesting.
> >
> >Max
> >
> >
> >>
> >>When, and from where, did this rumor surface?  Or should I say, how
> >>reliable is it?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>	--Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>On Sun, 8 Jun 2003, Max Waugh wrote:
> >>
> >> > As some of you may know, reports are surfacing which detail an
internal
> >> > Athletic Dept. memo from their supposed compliance coordinator.
The
> >>memo
> >> > essentially tells UW AD employees that it's okay to participate
in NCAA
> >> > tourney pools, as long as a bookie isn't involved.  I imagine
this was
> >> > intended for the majority of the AD employees and not any of the
> >>coaches.
> >> > However...
> >> >
> >> > This is being brought up as possible vindication for Neuheisel's
> >>actions.
> >> > The problem is that a) it shouldn't be an excuse for him not
knowing
> >>NCAA
> >> > rules and subsequently breaking them, and b) I can see this
getting the
> >> > school in trouble for this.  Those haunting words, 'lack of
> >>institutional
> >> > control,' might accompany our coach keeping his job and the
program
> >>getting
> >> > in bigger trouble.
> >> >
> >> > Dawgman.com will be posting an interview with Neuheisel sometime
> >>tonight
> >> > (for dawgtales subscribers).
> >> >
> >> > Max
> >> >
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:44:34 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: What if...
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    Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field infractions =
since arriving at the U-dub.
    If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley on his =
job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
    (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while debating the =
issue.)
    Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about our lack =
of a running game and our overall softness.
    The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get us back =
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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 14:37:12 -0700
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By my expectations for the program, his on-field performance is
borderline at this point.
=20
Regular season
I expect no less than 7 wins (as a low point) and feel that the Dawgs
should routinely see 8-10 win seasons with the occasional season being
better than that.  I expect that the Dawgs will be in contention (not
necessarily the favorite) for the Pac-10 title every year.  I expect
that they should win the vast majority of games where against "lesser
opponents", play a tough out of conference schedule and win more than
they lose.  National rankings (and things like the MNC) will take care
of themselves if the Dawgs take care of their own business.
=20
By those standards Neuheisel has done okay - not great, but okay.  His
teams have averaged somewhere around 8-3, won a Pac-10 title, won some
(Miami) and lost some (Miami) against highly regarded non-conference
opponents.
=20
Bowl Games
I expect the Dawgs to go to a quality bowl game on a yearly basis.  They
should have a winning record in those bowl games.
=20
Neuheisel has not fared well here.  He has a Rose Bowl victory to his
credit (which goes a long ways - at least for a while).  He has a
Holiday bowl loss where nobody expected the Dawgs to be able to stay on
the field against an overwhelmingly favored KSU team - they could have
easily won that game.  He has a Holiday Bowl loss where the Dawgs
snatched defeat from the jaws of victory by managing to play some of the
worst pass defense that has been seen in D-I college football for quite
a long time.  He has a Sun Bowl loss where the team might have been
better off staying on the bus.  Two of the four games were (in my
opinion) totally embarrassing (collapse versus Texas and "no-show"
against Purdue), one was a close loss where the team played well against
a quality opponent, and one was one for Husky lore (see: any Rose Bowl
victory for the Dawgs).
=20
Recruiting
This is where Neuheisel has been so highly regarded.  Maybe one of the
reasons he was such a "good" recruiter was because he liked to "bend"
the rules.  So far I'm not convinced he does any better at recruiting
than anybody else.  Reggie is the only guy that I can come up with that
was such a big "win" in the recruiting wars that has lived up to the
hype.
=20
Player Development
This is the area that I feel has been the worst.  For years, Don James
made a living taking lowly regarded recruiting classes and teaching them
how to play football and win, win, win.  I'll take that any day over a
top-10 recruiting class and mediocre teams.  There have been a number of
players (anybody in the kicking game and virtually every defensive back
and running back) that has shown no marked improvement during their time
at the UW.  This is probably due largely to assistant coaches - but it
all comes back the head coach.
=20
Conclusion:
Would I vote to send Neuheisel packing?  Good question.  I would be
tempted to keep him around since I'm not sure that last year wasn't the
low point.  This year's team looks to have some promise.  If they can
continue to have success on offense and have any improvement on defense
it should turn out well. =20
The part of this that is so frustrating is that I think someday
(assuming he doesn't get himself banned first) I think he could be a
truly great college coach.  It would be nice to have that be as a Husky.
We'll see if that comes to be.  If I were convinced there was a
can't-miss replacement for him I'd be more willing to pull the trigger.
As much of a pain as it is to see his name continue to pop up in the
papers, part of me hopes he doesn't get fired simply because I'm sick of
the 3-4 years of transition time that comes with a coaching change.  I
just keep hoping, with each incident, that this will be the one where he
learns his lesson and keeps his nose clean.  Maybe that is wishful
thinking.

	-----Original Message-----
	From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]=20
	Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 1:45 PM
	To: Husky Football
	Subject: What if...
=09
=09
	    Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field
infractions since arriving at the U-dub.
	    If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley
on his job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
	    (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while
debating the issue.)
	    Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about
our lack of a running game and our overall softness.
	    The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get
us back to smashmouth football would be nearly overwhelming.   =20
	    However, I think I would reluctantly vote to retain him.
	=20


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>By my=20
expectations for the program, his on-field performance is borderline at =
this=20
point.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2><STRONG>Regular season</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I=20
expect no less than 7 wins (as a low point) and feel that the Dawgs =
should=20
routinely see 8-10 win seasons with the occasional season being better =
than=20
that.&nbsp; I expect that the Dawgs will be in contention (not =
necessarily the=20
favorite) for the Pac-10 title every year.&nbsp; I expect that they =
should win=20
the vast majority of games where against "lesser opponents", play a =
tough out of=20
conference schedule and win more than they lose.&nbsp; National rankings =
(and=20
things like the MNC) will take care of themselves if the Dawgs take care =
of=20
their own business.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>By=20
those standards Neuheisel has done okay&nbsp;- not great, but =
okay.&nbsp; His=20
teams have averaged somewhere around 8-3, won a Pac-10 title, won some =
(Miami)=20
and lost some (Miami) against highly regarded non-conference=20
opponents.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2><STRONG>Bowl Games</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I=20
expect the Dawgs to go to a quality bowl game on a yearly basis.&nbsp; =
They=20
should have a winning record in those bowl games.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>Neuheisel has not fared well here.&nbsp; He has a Rose Bowl =
victory to=20
his credit (which goes a long ways - at least for a while).&nbsp; He has =
a=20
Holiday bowl loss where nobody expected the Dawgs to be able to stay on =
the=20
field against an overwhelmingly favored KSU team - they could have =
easily won=20
that game.&nbsp; He has a Holiday Bowl loss where the =
Dawgs&nbsp;snatched defeat=20
from the jaws of victory by managing to play some of the worst pass =
defense that=20
has been seen in D-I college football for quite a long time.&nbsp; He =
has a Sun=20
Bowl loss where the team might have been better off staying on the =
bus.&nbsp;=20
Two of the four games were (in my opinion) totally embarrassing =
(collapse versus=20
Texas and "no-show" against Purdue), one was a close loss where the team =
played=20
well against a quality opponent, and one was one for Husky lore (see: =
any Rose=20
Bowl victory for the Dawgs).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2><STRONG>Recruiting</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>This=20
is where Neuheisel has been so highly regarded.&nbsp; Maybe one of the =
reasons=20
he was such a "good" recruiter was because he liked to "bend" the =
rules.&nbsp;=20
So far I'm not convinced he does any better at recruiting than anybody=20
else.&nbsp; Reggie is the only guy that I can come up with that was such =
a big=20
"win" in the recruiting wars that has lived up to the =
hype.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2><STRONG>Player Development</STRONG><BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN=20
class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>This is the area=20
that I feel has been the worst.&nbsp; For years, Don James made a living =
taking=20
lowly regarded recruiting classes and teaching them how to play football =
and=20
win, win, win.&nbsp; I'll take that any day over a top-10 recruiting =
class and=20
mediocre teams.&nbsp; There have been a number of players (anybody in =
the=20
kicking game and virtually every defensive back and running back) that =
has shown=20
no marked improvement during their time at the UW.&nbsp; This is =
probably due=20
largely to assistant coaches - but it all comes back the head=20
coach.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2><STRONG>Conclusion:</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Would=20
I vote to send Neuheisel packing?&nbsp; Good question.&nbsp; I would be =
tempted=20
to keep him around since I'm not sure that last year wasn't the low =
point.&nbsp;=20
This year's team looks to have some promise.&nbsp; If they can continue =
to have=20
success on offense and have any improvement on defense&nbsp;it should =
turn out=20
well.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>The=20
part of this that is so frustrating is that I think someday (assuming he =
doesn't=20
get himself banned first)&nbsp;I think he could be a truly great college =

coach.&nbsp; It would be nice to have that be as a Husky.&nbsp; We'll =
see if=20
that comes to be.&nbsp; If I were convinced there was a can't-miss =
replacement=20
for him I'd be more willing to pull the trigger.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D390431321-09062003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>As=20
much of a pain as it is to see his name continue to pop up in the =
papers, part=20
of me hopes he doesn't get fired simply because I'm sick of the 3-4 =
years of=20
transition time that comes with a coaching change.&nbsp; I just keep =
hoping,=20
with each incident, that this will be the one where he learns his lesson =
and=20
keeps his nose clean.&nbsp; Maybe that is wishful =
thinking.</DIV></FONT></SPAN>
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  face=3DTahoma size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
Bruce Hoard=20
  [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 09, 2003 1:45 =

  PM<BR><B>To:</B> Husky Football<BR><B>Subject:</B> What=20
  if...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Assume that RN had never =
committed any of=20
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you had to vote to retain =
him or=20
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to=20
  retain or release?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (I find it hard to block out =
all his=20
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Infractions aside, I would =
still be=20
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  softness.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The temptation to bring in a =
hard-nosed=20
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  overwhelming.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; However, I think I would =
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Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: What if...
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  2) Bob Sapp...
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  3) Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
	by John Hennes <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
  4) Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  5) Re: What if...
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
  6) RE: What if...
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
  7) Re: What if...
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  8) Re: What if...
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  9) Re: What if...
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 10) RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays
	by "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
 11) RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
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	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 15:28:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: What if...
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--- Bruce Hoard <bbhoard at attbi.com> wrote:
>     Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field
> infractions 

why?

his inability to stay out of the papers has embarrassed the
University. 

that's sufficient cause for dismissal - Rose Bowl/Miami/Northwest
Championships/Apple Cups be damned.

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:00:38 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Bob Sapp...
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.... is on the Best Damn Sports Show Period right now.

He's crushing apples with his bare hand.  Go Bob.

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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 21:55:11 -0700
From: John Hennes <jhennes1 at mindspring.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
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You might want to check out the following Phoenix info.  This dates from=20
several years ago, but the contact may still be there. This was from a list=
=20
of places around the country to join Husky fans for games.

Arizona Roadhouse & Brewery, 1120 E. Apache Blvd., Tempe. Contact: Dave
Matthews, =B988, at (602) 460-2388 or e-mail at <HUSKIEFAN at aol.com>

Good luck,
John H.



At 09:17 AM 6/9/03 -0700, you wrote:
>steve,
>
>check the Alumni Association homepage for a list of chapters. if the
>Phoenix chapter doesn't have a viewing party organized they'd gladly
>welcome yours.
>
>--- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu> wrote:
> > So I am moving to Tempe next year to go to Grad school at ASU, and
> > I am
> > looking for some way to be able to watch the games (if we still
> > have a
> > football program) on TV.  I think I remember that some of the
> > people on
> > this list were from Phoenix...is there any good bar to go to that
> > will
> > have them on, or a TV package to buy, or does anyone have a game
> > watching
> > party?  Any info would be appreciated!  I dont want to be stuck
> > watching
> > the Sun Devils all year.  Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >       --Steve
> >
> >
>




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Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2003 23:23:12 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Phoenix Dawgs?
Message-ID: <Law11-F29lYy2lj5DpO0003af74 at hotmail.com>
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Hmm... I wonder if that's THE Dave Matthews (of the ___ _______ Band)... who 
wanders around Wallingford, making people nearly crash their cars into each 
other as they stare at him out the window.



>
>You might want to check out the following Phoenix info.  This dates from 
>several years ago, but the contact may still be there. This was from a list 
>of places around the country to join Husky fans for games.
>
>Arizona Roadhouse & Brewery, 1120 E. Apache Blvd., Tempe. Contact: Dave
>Matthews, ¹88, at (602) 460-2388 or e-mail at <HUSKIEFAN at aol.com>
>
>Good luck,
>John H.
>
>
>
>At 09:17 AM 6/9/03 -0700, you wrote:
>>steve,
>>
>>check the Alumni Association homepage for a list of chapters. if the
>>Phoenix chapter doesn't have a viewing party organized they'd gladly
>>welcome yours.
>>
>>--- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu> wrote:
>> > So I am moving to Tempe next year to go to Grad school at ASU, and
>> > I am
>> > looking for some way to be able to watch the games (if we still
>> > have a
>> > football program) on TV.  I think I remember that some of the
>> > people on
>> > this list were from Phoenix...is there any good bar to go to that
>> > will
>> > have them on, or a TV package to buy, or does anyone have a game
>> > watching
>> > party?  Any info would be appreciated!  I dont want to be stuck
>> > watching
>> > the Sun Devils all year.  Thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >       --Steve
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:08:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: What if...
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But who would you get, especially now?



	--Steve


On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:

>     Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field infractions since arriving at the U-dub.
>     If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley on his job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
>     (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while debating the issue.)
>     Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about our lack of a running game and our overall softness.
>     The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get us back to smashmouth football would be nearly overwhelming.
>     However, I think I would reluctantly vote to retain him.
>
>


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:16:54 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: What if...
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I think you have to go with the obvious choice - Gilby.  At least on an
interim basis.

I think they let Gilby run the team this year and monitor his
performance while compiling a list of other candidates.  Then make your
decision as soon as possible following the season.

The only catch to this is the recruiting impact.  There's no way to
recruit unless the replacement is given some sort of longer term
commitment.

No question about it.  This situation sucks.  Period.  There is no way
this doesn't work out to be just a huge blow to the program.  Major
bummer.

-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Finkelstein [mailto:stevenf at u.washington.edu]=20
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:09 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: What if...


But who would you get, especially now?



	--Steve


On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:

>     Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field
infractions since arriving at the U-dub.
>     If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley on his
job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
>     (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while debating
the issue.)
>     Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about our lack
of a running game and our overall softness.
>     The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get us
back to smashmouth football would be nearly overwhelming.
>     However, I think I would reluctantly vote to retain him.
>
>


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:42:59 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: What if...
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Within the boundaries of my hypothetical question, that point is not
germane. However, if it will evoke a longer answer from you, I will say to
frame it within the context of Gilbie being named interim coach for this
season and full-time coach if he has a good first year.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Finkelstein" <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: What if...


> But who would you get, especially now?
>
>
>
> --Steve
>
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:
>
> >     Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field infractions
since arriving at the U-dub.
> >     If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley on his
job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
> >     (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while debating the
issue.)
> >     Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about our lack
of a running game and our overall softness.
> >     The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get us back
to smashmouth football would be nearly overwhelming.
> >     However, I think I would reluctantly vote to retain him.
> >
> >
>


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:00:26 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: What if...
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I can't imagine the UW would actually want to make his interim status 
public.  That would be a greater detriment to recruiting.  If they went that 
route, they'd probably announce that he is the permanent head coach, but 
then would can him or "reassign" him at the end of the year if things didn't 
go well.

Max

>From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
>
>Within the boundaries of my hypothetical question, that point is not
>germane. However, if it will evoke a longer answer from you, I will say to
>frame it within the context of Gilbie being named interim coach for this
>season and full-time coach if he has a good first year.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Steven Finkelstein" <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:08 PM
>Subject: Re: What if...
>
>
> > But who would you get, especially now?
> >
> >
> >
> > --Steve
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:
> >
> > >     Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field 
>infractions
>since arriving at the U-dub.
> > >     If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley on his
>job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
> > >     (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while debating 
>the
>issue.)
> > >     Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about our lack
>of a running game and our overall softness.
> > >     The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get us 
>back
>to smashmouth football would be nearly overwhelming.
> > >     However, I think I would reluctantly vote to retain him.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:09:03 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: What if...
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OK, me and my hypothetical question buy that.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: What if...


> I can't imagine the UW would actually want to make his interim status
> public.  That would be a greater detriment to recruiting.  If they went
that
> route, they'd probably announce that he is the permanent head coach, but
> then would can him or "reassign" him at the end of the year if things
didn't
> go well.
>
> Max
>
> >From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
> >
> >Within the boundaries of my hypothetical question, that point is not
> >germane. However, if it will evoke a longer answer from you, I will say
to
> >frame it within the context of Gilbie being named interim coach for this
> >season and full-time coach if he has a good first year.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Steven Finkelstein" <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
> >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 2:08 PM
> >Subject: Re: What if...
> >
> >
> > > But who would you get, especially now?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --Steve
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 9 Jun 2003, Bruce Hoard wrote:
> > >
> > > >     Assume that RN had never committed any of his off-field
> >infractions
> >since arriving at the U-dub.
> > > >     If you had to vote to retain him or release him based soley on
his
> >job performance to date, would you vote to retain or release?
> > > >     (I find it hard to block out all his infractions while debating
> >the
> >issue.)
> > > >     Infractions aside, I would still be extremely upset about our
lack
> >of a running game and our overall softness.
> > > >     The temptation to bring in a hard-nosed coach that would get us
> >back
> >to smashmouth football would be nearly overwhelming.
> > > >     However, I think I would reluctantly vote to retain him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 13:10:48 -0700
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays
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What if RN is found to have justifiably relied upon the internal memo
telling him he could join the pool?

What if the NCAA is forced to admit that neighborhood betting pools are
not a form of gambling used by "organized gambling?"

What if the administration bothers to ask, just how many recruiting
indiscretions has be actually committed since he has been here and were
any of them intentional?

What if a court decides he cannot be fired for just cause because there
is no just cause and the term of the contract must be paid for and the
loan must be forgiven?

What if Rick stays?

Rick might ask, why has the Husky Nation turned against me?  Haven't I
given everything I have towards the success of our program?

Where is the loyalty?



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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:55:28 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays
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As I saw described in an article in the Tacoma News Tribune (see
http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269086p-3298760c
..html), the memo included four points from the NCAA rules that are
specifically prohibited.  The memo didn't include one of the bullet
points - the one that is most applicable regarding betting on college
athletics for anything of tangible value.

Seems this is a major oversight on the UW's part.  I don't think this
will matter in the eyes of the NCAA and what their actions regarding
Neuheisel will be.  However, I do think this opens a huge can of worms
as far as severance arrangements go.  If the UW provides inaccurate
compliance guidance that leads him to "get into trouble" with the NCAA
can they fire him for cause?  Seems like a very muddy area where some
lawyers are going to get into the mix.

My guess is that there is no way the NCAA lets this slide.  Rick gets
suspended for a long time and they probably lean on the UW to let him
go...or else.  I also suspect that there will be some sort of reprimand
for the program and/or individual involved in the inaccurate memo.  I
can't believe (read: I hope) that the NCAA would see this as a serious
violation of the UW athletic dept since no competitive advantage was
earned.  Furthermore, as long as the UW "does the right thing" (and
fires Neuheisel) as far as the NCAA is concerned then I would think
there wouldn't be much more.  The real consequences for the UW come in
that they have to suffer the public embarrassment of yet another
violation, fire and replace their coach, suffer the necessary recruiting
and/or on-field impacts that come with a coaching change, and - finally
- possibly have to pay a Neu a big chunk of dough due to contractual
obligations for firing him without cause.

Of course there is always the possibility of a big nasty lawsuit
following between Neuheisel and UW and/or Neuheisel and the NCAA (or
possibly even UW and NCAA).  Should be loads of fun!

-Jeff=20

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:11 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays


What if RN is found to have justifiably relied upon the internal memo
telling him he could join the pool?

What if the NCAA is forced to admit that neighborhood betting pools are
not a form of gambling used by "organized gambling?"

What if the administration bothers to ask, just how many recruiting
indiscretions has be actually committed since he has been here and were
any of them intentional?

What if a court decides he cannot be fired for just cause because there
is no just cause and the term of the contract must be paid for and the
loan must be forgiven?

What if Rick stays?

Rick might ask, why has the Husky Nation turned against me?  Haven't I
given everything I have towards the success of our program?

Where is the loyalty?



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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 14:58:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays
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--- Scott Kemp <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us> wrote:

> Haven't I given everything I have towards the success of our 
> program?

extend "program" to "University"...

the answer to this would be "no". one of his jobs is its most
visible employee is to represent well the University, and to always
consider the possible ramifications his actions could have on the
University's image.

that means erring on the side of caution, not continually testing
limits, or looking for the loophole. he has not shown a capability
or willingness to do that.

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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1804

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays
	by "Beefyboy" <beefyboy at commspeed.net>
  2) Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays
	by "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
  3) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by Roger Olstad <rolstad at earthlink.net>
  4) Seattle PI report
	by "'23' Dennis Asis" <basie at u.washington.edu>
  5) RE: Seattle PI report
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
  6) Rick "went ballistic"
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  7) RE: Rick "went ballistic"
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
  8) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
  9) RE: Seattle PI report
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 10) Re: more trouble on the horizon?
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 11) Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 12) RE: Seattle PI report
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 13) RE: Seattle PI report
	by Brian Snydsman <bsnydsman at yahoo.com>
 14) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 15) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 16) RE: Seattle PI report
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 17) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 18) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 19) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 20) RE: Seattle PI report
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
 21) All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 22) Re: Seattle PI report
	by "Bobby Alverts" <hu5k135 at teleport.com>
 23) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
	by "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
 24) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 25) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 26) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 27) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 28) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 29) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 30) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 31) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 32) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 33) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 34) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Colin Anderson" <pedigree at u.washington.edu>
 35) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 36) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 37) idle thougt
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 38) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 39) Re: idle thougt
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 40) a lone media dissenter
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:34:46 -0700
From: "Beefyboy" <beefyboy at commspeed.net>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays
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No if about it this is a mess. Question #1 In the eyes of the NCAA is there
a violation  Question #2 With the famous guidelines is UW the problem
(Didn't a copy of these guidelines get sent to the compliance arm of the
NCAA as due process?) If  a violation is declared and UW allowed the
violation with their own guidelines expect the University to be penalized
and the penalty will include all sports programs. What happens between UW
and RN is too wide open to speculate. I remember the signs at University of
Arizona when Billy Joe was nailed for the loan. That will be nothing
compared to what will happen as a result of this mess, more so  if RN stays.
NAZDesertDAWG.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays


> What if RN is found to have justifiably relied upon the internal memo
> telling him he could join the pool?
>
> What if the NCAA is forced to admit that neighborhood betting pools are
> not a form of gambling used by "organized gambling?"
>
> What if the administration bothers to ask, just how many recruiting
> indiscretions has be actually committed since he has been here and were
> any of them intentional?
>
> What if a court decides he cannot be fired for just cause because there
> is no just cause and the term of the contract must be paid for and the
> loan must be forgiven?
>
> What if Rick stays?
>
> Rick might ask, why has the Husky Nation turned against me?  Haven't I
> given everything I have towards the success of our program?
>
> Where is the loyalty?
>
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 15:36:11 -0700
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays
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What a mess.  I wish we could just play football.

>>> beefyboy at commspeed.net 06/10/03 03:34PM >>>
No if about it this is a mess. Question #1 In the eyes of the NCAA is
there
a violation  Question #2 With the famous guidelines is UW the problem
(Didn't a copy of these guidelines get sent to the compliance arm of
the
NCAA as due process?) If  a violation is declared and UW allowed the
violation with their own guidelines expect the University to be
penalized
and the penalty will include all sports programs. What happens between
UW
and RN is too wide open to speculate. I remember the signs at
University of
Arizona when Billy Joe was nailed for the loan. That will be nothing
compared to what will happen as a result of this mess, more so  if RN
stays.
NAZDesertDAWG.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:10 PM
Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays


> What if RN is found to have justifiably relied upon the internal
memo
> telling him he could join the pool?
>
> What if the NCAA is forced to admit that neighborhood betting pools
are
> not a form of gambling used by "organized gambling?"
>
> What if the administration bothers to ask, just how many recruiting
> indiscretions has be actually committed since he has been here and
were
> any of them intentional?
>
> What if a court decides he cannot be fired for just cause because
there
> is no just cause and the term of the contract must be paid for and
the
> loan must be forgiven?
>
> What if Rick stays?
>
> Rick might ask, why has the Husky Nation turned against me?  Haven't
I
> given everything I have towards the success of our program?
>
> Where is the loyalty?
>
>
>
>



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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:37:54 -0700
From: Roger Olstad <rolstad at earthlink.net>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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While we're at it, how 'bout axing the weasel, aka the new Husky logo, as
well.  Any votes for that?

Roger Olstad
Lake Forest Park

On 6/9/03 11:02 AM, "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com> wrote:

> The axe will (and should) fall on:
> 
> Rick
> The institution
> Dana
> Babs
> 
> 
> 
>


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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: "'23' Dennis Asis" <basie at u.washington.edu>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Seattle PI report
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html



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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:30:42 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/922459.asp?0cv=3DSA00.  Rehash of the PI =
story,
but you get to vote.


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of '23' Dennis Asis
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:48 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Seattle PI report

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html



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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:31:55 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Rick "went ballistic"
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....that, along with him being so despondent after the meeting, are hard to 
imagine.

I imagine there may be a few lawsuits in the future involving the NCAA and 
possibly the UW (if they can't come to a settlement).  This is far from 
over.

It's being reported that Gilby will be the replacement, but will they 
actually use the 'interim' tag or not?

At least it won't be a quiet summer.
Max

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:34:49 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Rick "went ballistic"
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I kinda like quiet summers.

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:32 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Rick "went ballistic"

....that, along with him being so despondent after the meeting, are hard
to=20
imagine.

I imagine there may be a few lawsuits in the future involving the NCAA
and=20
possibly the UW (if they can't come to a settlement).  This is far from=20
over.

It's being reported that Gilby will be the replacement, but will they=20
actually use the 'interim' tag or not?

At least it won't be a quiet summer.
Max

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Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:59:00 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
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I don't feel as though we've lost a Coach, but that UNLV has gained one. Go 
Dawgs/Rebs!

Coach Lambright over final 4 years: 30-16 ... Coaching Staff Compensation: 
~$4,000,000/4 years
Coach Neuheisel over final 4 years: 34-16 ... Coaching Staff Compensation: 
~$8,000,000/4 years

Of course, now would be a prudent occasion to address the ICA's financial 
management "strategies" (ahem) and examine the benefit of additional 
personnel changes.

>From: "'23' Dennis Asis" <basie at u.washington.edu>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Seattle PI report
>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
>
>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html
>
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 01:16:04 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
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Jim Daves denies the firing rumor:
http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/college/article/0,1299,DRMN_40_2028395
,00.html


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Castellow
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:31 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report


http://www.msnbc.com/news/922459.asp?0cv=3DSA00.  Rehash of the PI =
story,
but you get to vote.


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of '23' Dennis Asis
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:48 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Seattle PI report

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html



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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:27:43 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?
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What would I do with my ferret cap?!?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Olstad" <rolstad at earthlink.net>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: Re: more trouble on the horizon?


> While we're at it, how 'bout axing the weasel, aka the new Husky logo, as
> well.  Any votes for that?
>
> Roger Olstad
> Lake Forest Park
>
> On 6/9/03 11:02 AM, "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
wrote:
>
> > The axe will (and should) fall on:
> >
> > Rick
> > The institution
> > Dana
> > Babs
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:31:06 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays
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If the freaking NCAA would keep their website up to date, Bubba Richardson
wouldn't have had to worry about losing his official rules manual!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Beefyboy" <beefyboy at commspeed.net>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: What if...Neuheisel Stays


> No if about it this is a mess. Question #1 In the eyes of the NCAA is
there
> a violation  Question #2 With the famous guidelines is UW the problem
> (Didn't a copy of these guidelines get sent to the compliance arm of the
> NCAA as due process?) If  a violation is declared and UW allowed the
> violation with their own guidelines expect the University to be penalized
> and the penalty will include all sports programs. What happens between UW
> and RN is too wide open to speculate. I remember the signs at University
of
> Arizona when Billy Joe was nailed for the loan. That will be nothing
> compared to what will happen as a result of this mess, more so  if RN
stays.
> NAZDesertDAWG.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
> To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:10 PM
> Subject: RE: What if...Neuheisel Stays
>
>
> > What if RN is found to have justifiably relied upon the internal memo
> > telling him he could join the pool?
> >
> > What if the NCAA is forced to admit that neighborhood betting pools are
> > not a form of gambling used by "organized gambling?"
> >
> > What if the administration bothers to ask, just how many recruiting
> > indiscretions has be actually committed since he has been here and were
> > any of them intentional?
> >
> > What if a court decides he cannot be fired for just cause because there
> > is no just cause and the term of the contract must be paid for and the
> > loan must be forgiven?
> >
> > What if Rick stays?
> >
> > Rick might ask, why has the Husky Nation turned against me?  Haven't I
> > given everything I have towards the success of our program?
> >
> > Where is the loyalty?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 06:33:36 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
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Does this simply mean they haven't worked out the details of the firing yet?

I wonder if any reporters were banging on the Neuheisels' door and getting 
chased off by Susan with a broom (or whatever it was that happened) again 
this morning.


>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>
>Jim Daves denies the firing rumor:
>http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/college/article/0,1299,DRMN_40_2028395
>,00.html
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Castellow
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:31 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
>
>
>http://www.msnbc.com/news/922459.asp?0cv=SA00.  Rehash of the PI story,
>but you get to vote.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of '23' Dennis Asis
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:48 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Seattle PI report
>
>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html
>
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:00:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Snydsman <bsnydsman at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
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I saw on KOMO last night that they had someone stop by
the Neuheisel's at about 10 PM to see if Rick wanted
to talk.  Talk about pushy.

--- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Does this simply mean they haven't worked out the
> details of the firing yet?
> 
> I wonder if any reporters were banging on the
> Neuheisels' door and getting 
> chased off by Susan with a broom (or whatever it was
> that happened) again 
> this morning.
> 
> 
> >From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
> >
> >Jim Daves denies the firing rumor:
>
>http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/college/article/0,1299,DRMN_40_2028395
> >,00.html
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf
> Of Charles Castellow
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:31 PM
> >To: Husky Football
> >Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
> >
> >
> >http://www.msnbc.com/news/922459.asp?0cv=SA00. 
> Rehash of the PI story,
> >but you get to vote.
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf
> Of '23' Dennis Asis
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:48 PM
> >To: Husky Football
> >Subject: Seattle PI report
> >
>
>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:19:59 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
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    That's nothing compared to having and editor tel you to go to the house
of a deceased person and ask for a photo of the deceased so it can be
published in the paper. That's scary-pushy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Snydsman" <bsnydsman at yahoo.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report


> I saw on KOMO last night that they had someone stop by
> the Neuheisel's at about 10 PM to see if Rick wanted
> to talk.  Talk about pushy.
>
> --- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Does this simply mean they haven't worked out the
> > details of the firing yet?
> >
> > I wonder if any reporters were banging on the
> > Neuheisels' door and getting
> > chased off by Susan with a broom (or whatever it was
> > that happened) again
> > this morning.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
> > >
> > >Jim Daves denies the firing rumor:
> >
> >http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/college/article/0,1299,DRMN_40_2028395
> > >,00.html
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf
> > Of Charles Castellow
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:31 PM
> > >To: Husky Football
> > >Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/922459.asp?0cv=SA00.
> > Rehash of the PI story,
> > >but you get to vote.
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf
> > Of '23' Dennis Asis
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:48 PM
> > >To: Husky Football
> > >Subject: Seattle PI report
> > >
> >
> >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:44:18 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
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Is there a story you want to tell us?  I'm not sure we want to hear it, bit 
if we're all feeling morbid right now, might as well...


>
>     That's nothing compared to having and editor tel you to go to the 
>house
>of a deceased person and ask for a photo of the deceased so it can be
>published in the paper. That's scary-pushy.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:50:20 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
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Is Rick dead?  Does Babs have the smoking gun?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 9:44 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report

Is there a story you want to tell us?  I'm not sure we want to hear it,
bit=20
if we're all feeling morbid right now, might as well...


>
>     That's nothing compared to having and editor tel you to go to the=20
>house
>of a deceased person and ask for a photo of the deceased so it can be
>published in the paper. That's scary-pushy.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:00:57 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
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    The story is that while I was stringing for the Boston Globe back in the
late 70's, another--and very unfortunate colleague of mine--was indeed
ordered to go to the house of a deceased child and ask the parents for a
photo.
    I don't recall how it came out, but I'm pretty sure the guy went and
knocked on the family's door.
    Funny how those things work, though. Some people crave publicity even
under the most unimaginably tragic circumstances--especially if somebody
sticks a TV camera and microphone in their faces.
    I remember talking to a former TV reporter in the Boston area who
refered to the camera as an "assh___ magnet."

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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report


> Is there a story you want to tell us?  I'm not sure we want to hear it,
bit
> if we're all feeling morbid right now, might as well...
>
>
> >
> >     That's nothing compared to having and editor tel you to go to the
> >house
> >of a deceased person and ask for a photo of the deceased so it can be
> >published in the paper. That's scary-pushy.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:24:49 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
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Hmm... I thought this was gonna be some Kurt Cobain-related tale.

So, did he get the picture?


>From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
>
>     The story is that while I was stringing for the Boston Globe back in 
>the
>late 70's, another--and very unfortunate colleague of mine--was indeed
>ordered to go to the house of a deceased child and ask the parents for a
>photo.
>     I don't recall how it came out, but I'm pretty sure the guy went and
>knocked on the family's door.
>     Funny how those things work, though. Some people crave publicity even
>under the most unimaginably tragic circumstances--especially if somebody
>sticks a TV camera and microphone in their faces.
>     I remember talking to a former TV reporter in the Boston area who
>refered to the camera as an "assh___ magnet."
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:44 PM
>Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
>
>
> > Is there a story you want to tell us?  I'm not sure we want to hear it,
>bit
> > if we're all feeling morbid right now, might as well...
> >
> >
> > >
> > >     That's nothing compared to having and editor tel you to go to the
> > >house
> > >of a deceased person and ask for a photo of the deceased so it can be
> > >published in the paper. That's scary-pushy.
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:00:55 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
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    Like I said, I'm pretty sure he went and asked for the photo, but I
don't know how it came out.
    Ghoulish business. Makes multi-millionaire Rick Neuheisel's woes look
like a walk in the park.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report


> Hmm... I thought this was gonna be some Kurt Cobain-related tale.
>
> So, did he get the picture?
>
>
> >From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
> >
> >     The story is that while I was stringing for the Boston Globe back in
> >the
> >late 70's, another--and very unfortunate colleague of mine--was indeed
> >ordered to go to the house of a deceased child and ask the parents for a
> >photo.
> >     I don't recall how it came out, but I'm pretty sure the guy went and
> >knocked on the family's door.
> >     Funny how those things work, though. Some people crave publicity
even
> >under the most unimaginably tragic circumstances--especially if somebody
> >sticks a TV camera and microphone in their faces.
> >     I remember talking to a former TV reporter in the Boston area who
> >refered to the camera as an "assh___ magnet."
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:44 PM
> >Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
> >
> >
> > > Is there a story you want to tell us?  I'm not sure we want to hear
it,
> >bit
> > > if we're all feeling morbid right now, might as well...
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >     That's nothing compared to having and editor tel you to go to
the
> > > >house
> > > >of a deceased person and ask for a photo of the deceased so it can be
> > > >published in the paper. That's scary-pushy.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:15:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
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They said they wanted to "be able to let him tell his side"



	--Steve


On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Brian Snydsman wrote:

> I saw on KOMO last night that they had someone stop by
> the Neuheisel's at about 10 PM to see if Rick wanted
> to talk.  Talk about pushy.
>
> --- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Does this simply mean they haven't worked out the
> > details of the firing yet?
> >
> > I wonder if any reporters were banging on the
> > Neuheisels' door and getting
> > chased off by Susan with a broom (or whatever it was
> > that happened) again
> > this morning.
> >
> >
> > >From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
> > >
> > >Jim Daves denies the firing rumor:
> >
> >http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/college/article/0,1299,DRMN_40_2028395
> > >,00.html
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf
> > Of Charles Castellow
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:31 PM
> > >To: Husky Football
> > >Subject: RE: Seattle PI report
> > >
> > >
> > >http://www.msnbc.com/news/922459.asp?0cv=SA00.
> > Rehash of the PI story,
> > >but you get to vote.
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf
> > Of '23' Dennis Asis
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:48 PM
> > >To: Husky Football
> > >Subject: Seattle PI report
> > >
> >
> >http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:55:20 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
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Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it to 
Beaver"

"Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the 
University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara 
Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up to her 
the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."

http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.html

Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake

"She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had lost 
a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies' 
house."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html

(Waiting on PI...)

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:56:44 -0700
From: "Bobby Alverts" <hu5k135 at teleport.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report
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So Toby,
it appears that for every win in excess of Lambright's appeared to cost $1
million each.
Just another way of looking at it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Toby Nelson <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:00 PM
Subject: Re: Seattle PI report


>
>I don't feel as though we've lost a Coach, but that UNLV has gained one. Go
>Dawgs/Rebs!
>
>Coach Lambright over final 4 years: 30-16 ... Coaching Staff Compensation:
>~$4,000,000/4 years
>Coach Neuheisel over final 4 years: 34-16 ... Coaching Staff Compensation:
>~$8,000,000/4 years
>
>Of course, now would be a prudent occasion to address the ICA's financial
>management "strategies" (ahem) and examine the benefit of additional
>personnel changes.
>
>>From: "'23' Dennis Asis" <basie at u.washington.edu>
>>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>>Subject: Seattle PI report
>>Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 21:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126026_rick11.html
>>
>>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:02:56 -0700
From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
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Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm curious
what your opinion is....

-Cody


----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it to
> Beaver"
>
> "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara
> Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up to
her
> the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
>
>
http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
l
>
> Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
>
> "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had
lost
> a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies'
> house."
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
>
> (Waiting on PI...)
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:11:55 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
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    Toby, Lambo was just not happening, and was not going to happen. The
players hated him, the fans hated him, the press hated him, and most
importantly, the Big-Dog Tyee guys hated him.
    Regardless of what happened with RN, Lambo was Mr. Bad Juju. Thank God
he was flushed.


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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:55 PM
Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it to
> Beaver"
>
> "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara
> Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up to
her
> the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
>
>
http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
l
>
> Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
>
> "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had
lost
> a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies'
> house."
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:21:36 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
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She was initially a yes-man (woman?) for Gerberding.  He didn't like the
fact that James was more important in the community than he was.  He had
Babs not defend the U with the thousands of pages of documentation that
they had, instead agreeing to the "lack of institutional control".  I
can never forgive her for that.

I have no problem with her hiring of Lambo.  Looked like a good choice
at the time.

I have no problem with the firing of Lambo.  He had alienated quite a
few of the major boosters.  He didn't think a coach should be troubled
with talking to people with money.  He had also alienated quite a few of
the players.  That was particularly odd, since he was considered a
"players" coach when he was an assistant.  Starters were telling
recruits to go elsewhere.  Team morale was at an all-time low. But worst
of all, he spent two weeks preparing for UCLA while ignoring Oregon.  It
is never acceptable to lose to the ducks, especially when that allows
the ducks to have a winning season and go to a bowl game.

Some people complain about the hiring of Rick.  It was somewhat of a
committee decision, although she played a big role in that.  Again, that
seemed like a decent choice.

She's had a string of bad basketball hires.  Hopefully Romar will work
out.

The gambling email happened while she was in charge.  She or one of her
subordinates should have corrected that.  The email gives the impression
that UW doesn't think it needs to follow the NCAA rules.  That's
probably her worst crime in recent history.  The papers wanted Rick
fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
her the door, then she's history.


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Cody Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:03 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation=20

Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm
curious
what your opinion is....

-Cody


----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it
to
> Beaver"
>
> "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara
> Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up
to
her
> the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
>
>
http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c
..htm
l
>
> Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
>
> "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had
lost
> a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies'
> house."
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
>
> (Waiting on PI...)
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:50:40 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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>The papers wanted Rick
>fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
>just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
>probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
>her the door, then she's history.

Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical capital and 
jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are couched 
in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or 
burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this 
drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of communications, 
they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and 
reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:46:22 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation 
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I wonder how this situation would be playing itself out if the school had a
full-time president. Seems like Babs is getting a bid of a free ride with no
big boss breathing down her back.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


She was initially a yes-man (woman?) for Gerberding.  He didn't like the
fact that James was more important in the community than he was.  He had
Babs not defend the U with the thousands of pages of documentation that
they had, instead agreeing to the "lack of institutional control".  I
can never forgive her for that.

I have no problem with her hiring of Lambo.  Looked like a good choice
at the time.

I have no problem with the firing of Lambo.  He had alienated quite a
few of the major boosters.  He didn't think a coach should be troubled
with talking to people with money.  He had also alienated quite a few of
the players.  That was particularly odd, since he was considered a
"players" coach when he was an assistant.  Starters were telling
recruits to go elsewhere.  Team morale was at an all-time low. But worst
of all, he spent two weeks preparing for UCLA while ignoring Oregon.  It
is never acceptable to lose to the ducks, especially when that allows
the ducks to have a winning season and go to a bowl game.

Some people complain about the hiring of Rick.  It was somewhat of a
committee decision, although she played a big role in that.  Again, that
seemed like a decent choice.

She's had a string of bad basketball hires.  Hopefully Romar will work
out.

The gambling email happened while she was in charge.  She or one of her
subordinates should have corrected that.  The email gives the impression
that UW doesn't think it needs to follow the NCAA rules.  That's
probably her worst crime in recent history.  The papers wanted Rick
fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
her the door, then she's history.


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Cody Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:03 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm
curious
what your opinion is....

-Cody


----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it
to
> Beaver"
>
> "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara
> Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up
to
her
> the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
>
>
http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c
..htm
l
>
> Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
>
> "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had
lost
> a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies'
> house."
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
>
> (Waiting on PI...)
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:56:07 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Excellent point.  If you've been listening to KJR, "The Husky Station",
almost everyone other than Mitch and Dick Baird has called for Rick's
head.  If he somehow keeps his job, his relationship with the official
station will certainly be strained.



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Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:51 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

>The papers wanted Rick
>fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
she's
>just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
>probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
>her the door, then she's history.

Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical capital
and=20
jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched=20
in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or=20
burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this=20
drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,=20
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:56:39 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not commensurate with his stature, 
hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season for cheating at his 
previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires in the other revenue 
sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the sanctions investigation, etc.

As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure what else has been improved 
yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a remodel that didn't 
particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think she's done her job just like 
Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium expansion and Tennis Center, etc. 
Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.

>From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation Date: Wed, 11 Jun 
>2003 13:02:56 -0700
>
>Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
>BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm curious
>what your opinion is....
>
>-Cody
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
>Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>
> > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it to
> > Beaver"
> >
> > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> > University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara
> > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up to
>her
> > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
> >
> >
>http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
>l
> >
> > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
> >
> > "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had
>lost
> > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies'
> > house."
> >
> > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
> >
> > (Waiting on PI...)
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:55:55 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context, but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:08:11 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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I think Steve Kelly might have gone a little overboard.  He refers to
the incident where Rick called his CU players and asked them to transfer
to UW.  To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe anyone other than a
disgruntled new Colorado coach ever made such claims.  I don't think any
of the players ever stated that Neu tried to re-recruit them.  I don't
know what he said after that.  I put the paper down and came to work.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize
their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched
much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism
of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess,
and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing
will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by
showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical
capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:22:59 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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His comment about Babs 'mistakenly' thinking the program had gone downhill 
under Lambright was pretty funny too.  That and the Gas Man's comments about 
Neuheisel spending the majority of his time here looking for another job 
almost make me side with all the media bashers... except that I've heard 
plenty of overemotional excessive nonsense from Husky fans now and in the 
past.

There must be something in the water around here... I hope you use imported 
bottled water to make the ice for those margaritas, Charlie.


>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>
>I think Steve Kelly might have gone a little overboard.  He refers to
>the incident where Rick called his CU players and asked them to transfer
>to UW.  To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe anyone other than a
>disgruntled new Colorado coach ever made such claims.  I don't think any
>of the players ever stated that Neu tried to re-recruit them.  I don't
>know what he said after that.  I put the paper down and came to work.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>Toby,
>     I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
>but I
>doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize
>their
>future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched
>much at
>all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism
>of
>the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess,
>and
>the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
>bumbles its way through.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
>Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>
> > >The papers wanted Rick
> > >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
>she's
> > >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing
>will
> > >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by
>showing
> > >her the door, then she's history.
> >
> > Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical
>capital
>and
> > jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
>couched
> > in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> > burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> > drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
>communications,
> > they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> > reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:29:19 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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The way things are going, the situation calls for straight tequila.

Which reminds me....does anyone remember when the band played a song
called Tequila?  (Just kidding, that rant won't happen for several
months.)

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

His comment about Babs 'mistakenly' thinking the program had gone
downhill=20
under Lambright was pretty funny too.  That and the Gas Man's comments
about=20
Neuheisel spending the majority of his time here looking for another job

almost make me side with all the media bashers... except that I've heard

plenty of overemotional excessive nonsense from Husky fans now and in
the=20
past.

There must be something in the water around here... I hope you use
imported=20
bottled water to make the ice for those margaritas, Charlie.


>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>
>I think Steve Kelly might have gone a little overboard.  He refers to
>the incident where Rick called his CU players and asked them to
transfer
>to UW.  To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe anyone other than
a
>disgruntled new Colorado coach ever made such claims.  I don't think
any
>of the players ever stated that Neu tried to re-recruit them.  I don't
>know what he said after that.  I put the paper down and came to work.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>Toby,
>     I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
>but I
>doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize
>their
>future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched
>much at
>all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their
criticism
>of
>the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess,
>and
>the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
>bumbles its way through.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
>Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>
> > >The papers wanted Rick
> > >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
>she's
> > >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing
>will
> > >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by
>showing
> > >her the door, then she's history.
> >
> > Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical
>capital
>and
> > jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
>couched
> > in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed,
or
> > burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue
this
> > drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
>communications,
> > they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> > reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:34:17 -0700
From: "Colin Anderson" <pedigree at u.washington.edu>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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the band should be sanctioned
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


The way things are going, the situation calls for straight tequila.

Which reminds me....does anyone remember when the band played a song
called Tequila?  (Just kidding, that rant won't happen for several
months.)

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

His comment about Babs 'mistakenly' thinking the program had gone
downhill 
under Lambright was pretty funny too.  That and the Gas Man's comments
about 
Neuheisel spending the majority of his time here looking for another job

almost make me side with all the media bashers... except that I've heard

plenty of overemotional excessive nonsense from Husky fans now and in
the 
past.

There must be something in the water around here... I hope you use
imported 
bottled water to make the ice for those margaritas, Charlie.


>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>
>I think Steve Kelly might have gone a little overboard.  He refers to
>the incident where Rick called his CU players and asked them to
transfer
>to UW.  To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe anyone other than
a
>disgruntled new Colorado coach ever made such claims.  I don't think
any
>of the players ever stated that Neu tried to re-recruit them.  I don't
>know what he said after that.  I put the paper down and came to work.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>Toby,
>     I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
>but I
>doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize
>their
>future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched
>much at
>all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their
criticism
>of
>the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess,
>and
>the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
>bumbles its way through.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
>Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>
> > >The papers wanted Rick
> > >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
>she's
> > >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing
>will
> > >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by
>showing
> > >her the door, then she's history.
> >
> > Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical
>capital
>and
> > jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
>couched
> > in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed,
or
> > burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue
this
> > drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
>communications,
> > they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> > reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:38:38 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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It's a little early for my yearly rant, but I wouldn't have a problem
with firing the band director.  In fact I think I've mentioned that
every year since he came here from the big-10.

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Colin Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:34 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

the band should be sanctioned
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:29 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


The way things are going, the situation calls for straight tequila.

Which reminds me....does anyone remember when the band played a song
called Tequila?  (Just kidding, that rant won't happen for several
months.)

-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:23 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

His comment about Babs 'mistakenly' thinking the program had gone
downhill=20
under Lambright was pretty funny too.  That and the Gas Man's comments
about=20
Neuheisel spending the majority of his time here looking for another job

almost make me side with all the media bashers... except that I've heard

plenty of overemotional excessive nonsense from Husky fans now and in
the=20
past.

There must be something in the water around here... I hope you use
imported=20
bottled water to make the ice for those margaritas, Charlie.


>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>
>I think Steve Kelly might have gone a little overboard.  He refers to
>the incident where Rick called his CU players and asked them to
transfer
>to UW.  To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe anyone other than
a
>disgruntled new Colorado coach ever made such claims.  I don't think
any
>of the players ever stated that Neu tried to re-recruit them.  I don't
>know what he said after that.  I put the paper down and came to work.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>Toby,
>     I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
>but I
>doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize
>their
>future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched
>much at
>all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their
criticism
>of
>the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess,
>and
>the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
>bumbles its way through.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
>Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>
> > >The papers wanted Rick
> > >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
>she's
> > >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing
>will
> > >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by
>showing
> > >her the door, then she's history.
> >
> > Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical
>capital
>and
> > jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
>couched
> > in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed,
or
> > burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue
this
> > drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
>communications,
> > they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> > reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:49:47 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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You may be in luck, Charlie.  Sorta.  Word out of the athletic department is 
that once the UW hires a president, the board of regents will pressure 
him/her to fire Babs.  The top candidate to replace her would then be Brad 
McDavid... or Mike Tranghese, if the Big East falls apart.  I can't wait!

I'm kidding folks.

>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>
>It's a little early for my yearly rant, but I wouldn't have a problem
>with firing the band director.  In fact I think I've mentioned that
>every year since he came here from the big-10.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Colin Anderson
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:34 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>the band should be sanctioned
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:29 PM
>Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>
>The way things are going, the situation calls for straight tequila.
>
>Which reminds me....does anyone remember when the band played a song
>called Tequila?  (Just kidding, that rant won't happen for several
>months.)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
>[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
>Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 2:23 PM
>To: Husky Football
>Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>
>His comment about Babs 'mistakenly' thinking the program had gone
>downhill
>under Lambright was pretty funny too.  That and the Gas Man's comments
>about
>Neuheisel spending the majority of his time here looking for another job
>
>almost make me side with all the media bashers... except that I've heard
>
>plenty of overemotional excessive nonsense from Husky fans now and in
>the
>past.
>
>There must be something in the water around here... I hope you use
>imported
>bottled water to make the ice for those margaritas, Charlie.
>
>
> >From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
> >
> >I think Steve Kelly might have gone a little overboard.  He refers to
> >the incident where Rick called his CU players and asked them to
>transfer
> >to UW.  To the best of my knowledge, I don't believe anyone other than
>a
> >disgruntled new Colorado coach ever made such claims.  I don't think
>any
> >of the players ever stated that Neu tried to re-recruit them.  I don't
> >know what he said after that.  I put the paper down and came to work.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> >[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
> >To: Husky Football
> >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
> >
> >Toby,
> >     I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
> >but I
> >doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize
> >their
> >future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched
> >much at
> >all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their
>criticism
> >of
> >the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess,
> >and
> >the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
> >bumbles its way through.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
> >Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
> >
> >
> > > >The papers wanted Rick
> > > >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think
> >she's
> > > >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing
> >will
> > > >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by
> >showing
> > > >her the door, then she's history.
> > >
> > > Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical
> >capital
> >and
> > > jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
> >couched
> > > in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed,
>or
> > > burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue
>this
> > > drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
> >communications,
> > > they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> > > reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
> > >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:51:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: idle thougt
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whaddaya figger Phil Snow is thinking these days?

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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--- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:
> the board of regents will pressure him/her to fire Babs.  The top
> candidate to replace her would then be 

Paul Schell. or Ray Corpuz.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:58:03 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: idle thougt
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He just wants practices to resume so he can get back to yelling at people.


>From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
>
>whaddaya figger Phil Snow is thinking these days?
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 14:59:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: a lone media dissenter
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paraphrasing, "punishment too harsh":

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news?slug=expectedpunishmentdoesnt&prov=tsn&type=lgns

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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1805

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
  2) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Ran Hennes" <rhennes at u.washington.edu>
  3) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  4) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
  5) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  6) Predictions for the future
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
  7) Re: Predictions for the future
	by JThompBoth at aol.com
  8) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by JThompBoth at aol.com
  9) game over, man!
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 10) RE: game over, man!
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 11) Its Official
	by "Steven Finkelstein" <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
 12) Re: game over, man!
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 13) Re: game over, man!
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 14) Re: idle thougt
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 15) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 16) Seattletimes.com: UW fires Neuheisel for gambling, lying
	by bhoard at attbi.com
 17) Seattletimes.com: A proud tradition earned over decades is sullied in years
	by bhoard at attbi.com
 18) Seattletimes.com: To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't
	by bhoard at attbi.com
 19) My take
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 20) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
 21) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 22) Re: Seattletimes.com: To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
 23) KJR is going to carry the news conference live
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 24) Mike Riley?
	by "Steve Knopf" <sknopf at microsoft.com>
 25) Paid suspension for RN!
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 26) Re: Paid suspension for RN!
	by "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
 27) RE: Paid suspension for RN!
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
 28) Re: Mike Riley?
	by "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
 29) Re: Mike Riley?
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
 30) RE: Mike Riley?
	by "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
 31) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
 32) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 33) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 34) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Brian Snydsman <bsnydsman at yahoo.com>
 35) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
 36) Strange Press Conference 
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 37) RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Jeff Westerberg" <westy at u.washington.edu>

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:04:18 -0700
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Is there a reason why we shouldn't have expected them to back off? Isn't =
the primary reason that this has ended up being such a big issue because =
of the play that it received in the media? Isn't there a point at which =
it stops being "news", and is just---to use a football metaphor---piling =
on?

Fundamentally, this is a small issue. While I acknowledge that the NCAA =
rule on betting is pretty straightforward, I'm still having trouble =
seeing how this pool among a few friends violates what I'd characterize =
as the real spirit or intent of the rule. This rule exists to prevent a =
student athlete or coach from ending up in a compromising position as it =
relates to their own sport. It's not like Neuheisel was hanging out in =
the back alley slapping down $10K with Vinny the Gooch on the Huskies =
for the over. With the introduction of the Dana Richardson memo, his =
true level of culpability may or may not be debatable.=20

Did he really deserve to lose his job over this? No way. Considering =
fevered pitch the media has manufactured in telling this story, it's the =
only result that could have been expected. The newspapers have all said, =
"It's not just this, but everything that's happened". Truly, the only =
violations of any kind he's committed since being here were in 1999. The =
Colorado-based sanctions were for violations that occurred several years =
before, and the 49'ers job interview debacle had nothing to do with =
football whatsoever, and was again, blown entirely out of proportion by =
the media. =20

Last night, Art Thiel said that if he had kept his job, he thought that =
his credibility in recruiting would have been in question, Do people =
really think that his participation in a Final Four pool with a few =
buddies would have given any recruit pause before deciding to come here =
or not? Would any of the recruits we signed in February have gone =
elsewhere if they knew he won some money last year in the pool? I'm =
guessing not.

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]=20
Sent:	Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
To:	Husky Football
Subject:	Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context, =
but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize =
their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched =
much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism =
of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, =
and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think =
she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing =
will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by =
showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical =
capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:10:41 -0700
From: "Ran Hennes" <rhennes at u.washington.edu>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
Message-ID: <004d01c33066$4c3ba2c0$7963d080 at ued.washington.edu>
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And as if the credibility of Art (the Hyena--i.e. cackling scavenger) Thiel
was thing of wonder!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation



Is there a reason why we shouldn't have expected them to back off? Isn't the
primary reason that this has ended up being such a big issue because of the
play that it received in the media? Isn't there a point at which it stops
being "news", and is just---to use a football metaphor---piling on?

Fundamentally, this is a small issue. While I acknowledge that the NCAA rule
on betting is pretty straightforward, I'm still having trouble seeing how
this pool among a few friends violates what I'd characterize as the real
spirit or intent of the rule. This rule exists to prevent a student athlete
or coach from ending up in a compromising position as it relates to their
own sport. It's not like Neuheisel was hanging out in the back alley
slapping down $10K with Vinny the Gooch on the Huskies for the over. With
the introduction of the Dana Richardson memo, his true level of culpability
may or may not be debatable.

Did he really deserve to lose his job over this? No way. Considering fevered
pitch the media has manufactured in telling this story, it's the only result
that could have been expected. The newspapers have all said, "It's not just
this, but everything that's happened". Truly, the only violations of any
kind he's committed since being here were in 1999. The Colorado-based
sanctions were for violations that occurred several years before, and the
49'ers job interview debacle had nothing to do with football whatsoever, and
was again, blown entirely out of proportion by the media.

Last night, Art Thiel said that if he had kept his job, he thought that his
credibility in recruiting would have been in question, Do people really
think that his participation in a Final Four pool with a few buddies would
have given any recruit pause before deciding to come here or not? Would any
of the recruits we signed in February have gone elsewhere if they knew he
won some money last year in the pool? I'm guessing not.

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context, but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:15:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
Message-ID: <20030611221513.64449.qmail at web11506.mail.yahoo.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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--- "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com> wrote:

> Fundamentally, this is a small issue.

you have framed the issue too narrowly.

the most important issue is that RN has damaged the University's
image. again. one too many times.

i am really looking forward to my business trip to SEC & ACC
territory next week.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:20:18 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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One of the things I've found amusing in all of this is the way that the
media has described this as gambling in a negative light.  I haven't
actually gone back through the archives, but I'll bet that virtually
every one of these writers that is currently deriding and criticizing
Neuheisel for gambling was writing two months ago about who had which
team in their local pool.  There was nothing negative about it then.
This seems quite hypocritical!

I agree with what others have posted that IF this thing somehow blows
over without Neuheisel losing his job - the media relations could be
quite interesting.  It seems like the P-I might have jumped the gun just
a bit OR something has changed in the last 24 hours.  KJR reported that
they had a single source yesterday reporting the firing but held off
reporting it while they tried frantically to get a second or third
source.  They congratulated the P-I guy for beating them to it.  Given
that the axe has yet to fall, maybe he didn't really beat them to it -
maybe he just had lower standards or less reliable sources.  Yet another
possibility is that more information has come to light to alter the
direction that the athletic department is headed.

Pretty much only one way to describe this - big, giant, stinky mess!

Go Dawgs!
=20
-Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Ran Hennes [mailto:rhennes at u.washington.edu]=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:11 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


And as if the credibility of Art (the Hyena--i.e. cackling scavenger)
Thiel was thing of wonder!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation



Is there a reason why we shouldn't have expected them to back off? Isn't
the primary reason that this has ended up being such a big issue because
of the play that it received in the media? Isn't there a point at which
it stops being "news", and is just---to use a football metaphor---piling
on?

Fundamentally, this is a small issue. While I acknowledge that the NCAA
rule on betting is pretty straightforward, I'm still having trouble
seeing how this pool among a few friends violates what I'd characterize
as the real spirit or intent of the rule. This rule exists to prevent a
student athlete or coach from ending up in a compromising position as it
relates to their own sport. It's not like Neuheisel was hanging out in
the back alley slapping down $10K with Vinny the Gooch on the Huskies
for the over. With the introduction of the Dana Richardson memo, his
true level of culpability may or may not be debatable.

Did he really deserve to lose his job over this? No way. Considering
fevered pitch the media has manufactured in telling this story, it's the
only result that could have been expected. The newspapers have all said,
"It's not just this, but everything that's happened". Truly, the only
violations of any kind he's committed since being here were in 1999. The
Colorado-based sanctions were for violations that occurred several years
before, and the 49'ers job interview debacle had nothing to do with
football whatsoever, and was again, blown entirely out of proportion by
the media.

Last night, Art Thiel said that if he had kept his job, he thought that
his credibility in recruiting would have been in question, Do people
really think that his participation in a Final Four pool with a few
buddies would have given any recruit pause before deciding to come here
or not? Would any of the recruits we signed in February have gone
elsewhere if they knew he won some money last year in the pool? I'm
guessing not.

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context,
but I doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will
jeopardize their future access to the program. I don't think they have
really couched much at all. The fact is, they have been very
straightforward in their criticism of the "mess" referred to by Blaine
Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, and the press can't be expected
to back off and ignore it while the school bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think=20
> >she's just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her=20
> >firing will probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize=20
> >sanctions by showing her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical=20
> capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or=20
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this=20
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and=20
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:26:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
Message-ID: <20030611222641.61004.qmail at web11508.mail.yahoo.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
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--- "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com> wrote:
>  IF this thing somehow blows
> over without Neuheisel losing his job 

the Husky statue will cock a leg, and rain purple piss all over Hec Ed.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:26:30 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Predictions for the future
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Anybody have any predictions for the future?=20

Let's say that Neuheisel does get fired.  It seems highly likely that
Neuheisel will be sanctioned individually (suspended for some
significant time).  If the UW cuts him loose, applies some sort of
punishment to Dana Richardson, puts a letter of reprimand in Hedge's
file for allowing this to happen, will the NCAA go after the UW program?

If the UW fires the individual responsible for the transgression, and
punishes those who enabled the infraction - is there much more to do?
No competitive advantage was achieved.  No athletes were involved (at
least not that we know of).

Am I thinking too much with my heart and not with my head?

Does the NCAA just ignore everything and lash out anyway?

-Jeff

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Let's say that Neuheisel does get =
fired.&nbsp; It seems highly likely that Neuheisel will be sanctioned =
individually (suspended for some significant time).&nbsp; If the UW cuts =
him loose, applies some sort of punishment to Dana Richardson, puts a =
letter of reprimand in Hedge's file for allowing this to happen, will =
the NCAA go after the UW program?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If the UW fires the individual =
responsible for the transgression, and punishes those who enabled the =
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:18:53 EDT
From: JThompBoth at aol.com
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Predictions for the future
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Jeff, you're definitely thinking with your head, as well as your heart....but 
I guess we will all have to wait and see.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:22:48 EDT
From: JThompBoth at aol.com
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Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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In a message dated 6/11/2003 3:17:11 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
wolucky at yahoo.com writes:


> i am really looking forward to my business trip to SEC & ACC
> territory next week.
> 
> 

If you think the Neuheisel story is big here, wait until you get to SEC and 
ACC territory next week.   Having just returned from a month there, I can tell 
you that nothing we have in the Northwest begins to measure up to the passion 
for athletics in that part of the country.....and I'm not being critical when 
I say it.  Just a matter of fact.

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ACC territory next week.&nbsp;&nbsp; Having just returned from a month there=
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ng critical when I say it.&nbsp; Just a matter of fact.</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:17:03 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: game over, man!
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It's official.  He's done.  Even Rick's admitting it now... the "fired by 
fax" part is a nice touch, though I'm sure that's simply to make it 
official, and he knew it was coming ahead of time.  News conference 
Thursday?

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:21:40 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: game over, man!
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SEATTLE -- Rick Neuheisel is out as Washington's football coach, less
than a week after acknowledging he bet on the NCAA basketball
tournament.=20

"This is a sad night for me because I've poured a lot of myself into
this job -- and it was a great job," Neuheisel told KING-TV on Wednesday
night.=20

"I am not the guy they're portraying me to be," he said. "I'll find new
challenges. I will hopefully scale new ladders."=20

Athletic department spokesman Jim Daves said a news conference has been
scheduled for 10 a.m. Thursday. He did not disclose further details.=20


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[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:17 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: game over, man!

It's official.  He's done.  Even Rick's admitting it now... the "fired
by=20
fax" part is a nice touch, though I'm sure that's simply to make it=20
official, and he knew it was coming ahead of time.  News conference=20
Thursday?

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:29:53 -0700
From: "Steven Finkelstein" <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: "Bonefire at U.Washington.Edu" <bonefire at u.washington.edu>,
   "rms" <rms at u.washington.edu>,
   "Dawgbark at U. Washington. Edu" <dawgbark at u.washington.edu>,
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He's fired

http://espn.go.com/ncf/news/2003/0611/1566608.html

           -Steve


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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 00:38:12 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: game over, man!
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>"fired by fax" part is a nice touch, though I'm sure that's simply

So Hedges pulled a Mike Garrett (a la Jim Robinson) on him? Must be an SC 
thang. Fight On!

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 01:00:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: game over, man!
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--- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> the "fired by fax" part is a nice touch

i am relieved to be moving on, but damn...

sigh. seems the department can't even muster the dignity to fire RN
the honorable way. my bet is that Ms. Hedges will have resigned by
the end of the week. maybe Mr. Huntsman may find himself with a
permanent job if he can pilot the University through these rough
waters.

the PI reports of the joy of a certain Tyee faction over all of
this. to this group no one not directly connected with the glory of
the Don James era is worthy of leading the team, and Gilby has been
their man all along. this faction is reportedly all too happy to
dance on the grave of RN and Ms. Hedges, even if that means the
University has its name dragged through the mud in the process. RN
made the mistake of giving this faction just enough rope to hang
both them.

as tiresome as RN's shtick had become i find power exercised out of
this unprincipled clannishness, this overt hostility toward
auschlanders even more nauseating. 

dirty, dirty business all of this. watch your back, Gilby - they
could come for you next.



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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:20:14 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: idle thougt
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He's either glad that he and Gilby get along, or he wishes they did.

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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:51 PM
Subject: idle thougt


> whaddaya figger Phil Snow is thinking these days?
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 06:22:41 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Scott, your post seems like a classic example of blaming the media.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation



Is there a reason why we shouldn't have expected them to back off? Isn't the
primary reason that this has ended up being such a big issue because of the
play that it received in the media? Isn't there a point at which it stops
being "news", and is just---to use a football metaphor---piling on?

Fundamentally, this is a small issue. While I acknowledge that the NCAA rule
on betting is pretty straightforward, I'm still having trouble seeing how
this pool among a few friends violates what I'd characterize as the real
spirit or intent of the rule. This rule exists to prevent a student athlete
or coach from ending up in a compromising position as it relates to their
own sport. It's not like Neuheisel was hanging out in the back alley
slapping down $10K with Vinny the Gooch on the Huskies for the over. With
the introduction of the Dana Richardson memo, his true level of culpability
may or may not be debatable.

Did he really deserve to lose his job over this? No way. Considering fevered
pitch the media has manufactured in telling this story, it's the only result
that could have been expected. The newspapers have all said, "It's not just
this, but everything that's happened". Truly, the only violations of any
kind he's committed since being here were in 1999. The Colorado-based
sanctions were for violations that occurred several years before, and the
49'ers job interview debacle had nothing to do with football whatsoever, and
was again, blown entirely out of proportion by the media.

Last night, Art Thiel said that if he had kept his job, he thought that his
credibility in recruiting would have been in question, Do people really
think that his participation in a Final Four pool with a few buddies would
have given any recruit pause before deciding to come here or not? Would any
of the recruits we signed in February have gone elsewhere if they knew he
won some money last year in the pool? I'm guessing not.

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
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Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context, but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:26:23 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Seattletimes.com: UW fires Neuheisel for gambling, lying
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UW fires Neuheisel for gambling, lying
Full story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134972908_coach12.html

By Steve Miletich and Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporters



University of Washington football coach Rick Neuheisel told KING-5 last night he has been fired.

Neuheisel said he received notification he was fired via fax.

Athletic director Barbara Hedges told The Seattle Times she would not confirm Neuheisel's firing, but said a news conference is scheduled for 10 a.m. today at UW.

The likely replacement for Neuheisel is offensive coordinator Keith Gilbertson.

Dick Neuheisel, Rick's father, said Washington was pressured to fire his son because the NCAA told the UW that Rick Neuheisel would be suspended for two years if he was retained as coach. "You can read between the lines of what they would do to Washington," Dick Neuheisel said.

Sources told The Times earlier yesterday that the key factors in Neuheisel's firing were his participation in two NCAA basketball tournament pools and his lies to NCAA investigators June 4 when they asked him about the pools.

University officials had earlier told Neuheisel they intended to fire him over the lying and gambling unless he reached a negotiated settlement to leave his job, the sources said, speaking on condition of anonymity. It is uncertain if a settlement has been reached.

UW officials had told Neuheisel that the false answers he initially gave to two NCAA investigators alone were sufficient reasons to fire him for "just cause" and void the terms of his contract, one source said. That could save the university millions of dollars in a settlement payment to Neuheisel.

Neuheisel told KING-5 that he took exception to both of UW's reasons for firing him.

"I am not the guy they are portraying me to be," Neuheisel said. "I'll find new challenges."

Neuheisel didn't return calls to The Times.

UW officials believe Neuheisel's false answers put him in direct violation of an edict issued to him after he lied in February about interviewing for the San Francisco 49ers head coaching vacancy, sources said.

At that time, interim UW President Lee Huntsman warned Neuheisel that if he lied again, he could lose his job, sources said.

Huntsman said then that he had talked with Neuheisel about the misstep and said, "It's especially clear to Rick what the university's expectations are. ...  I'm satisfied he understands that."

Neuheisel's contract says he can be terminated for just cause for an "act of dishonesty."

Negotiations continued behind closed doors yesterday over the terms in which Neuheisel would end his tumultuous four-year tenure. Under a settlement, Neuheisel would have to agree not to sue the university, but he might win monetary concessions and other considerations.

One possibility under discussion is that the settlement would contain no mention of the false answers, sources said.

If no settlement was reached, the UW could fire Neuheisel for just cause and not pay him as much as $2.1 million left on his contract and force him to repay a $1.5 million loan that was to be forgiven if he stayed at the UW until Jan. 1, 2008.

Neuheisel met with NCAA investigators June 4 at a Seattle hotel, where the investigators confronted him with allegations that he had participated in NCAA basketball tournament pools in 2002 and 2003.

Neuheisel initially denied he had taken part in the pools and gave them false answers, according to the sources.

During two subsequent meetings that took place the same day, Neuheisel changed his story and admitted he had participated in the pools, both sources said. After the meetings, he also admitted to a reporter from The Times that he had taken part in the pools.

NCAA investigators have briefed UW officials on the series of answers Neuheisel gave to them, one source said.

Before the gambling questions arose, Neuheisel had previously committed a series of indiscretions at the UW and his previous head-coaching job at the University of Colorado, many involving improper recruiting. 

Shortly after Neuheisel spoke to the NCAA investigators last week, Hedges told The Times that Neuheisel should have understood that the he is prohibited from gambling, but added, "Rick was forthcoming. That is to his credit."

It is unclear whether Hedges knew at the time about the false answers, although she was present during much of the questioning of Neuheisel, a source said. She also may have been referring to his ultimate admission, or to his answers to the media.

Dick Neuheisel, asked by The Times about the possibility his son had initially misled NCAA investigators before telling them the truth, said his son had been "blindsided" by the investigation.

Dick Neuheisel said his son had been told the investigation was to ask questions about two minor violations &#151; giving a recruit a trip in his boat and shooting baskets with a recruit, which is regarded as an improper tryout.

"They came with an agenda," Dick Neuheisel said. "Nothing about the pool or the gambling was on the agenda. Rick asked for an adjournment to ask what they were talking about and then went in and told everything.

"They showed him a picture of some guy he didn't even recognize. He thought they were talking about organized gambling. This was just a neighborhood thing. These are buddies of his. Most of them are friends."

Neuheisel's contract calls for a deliberative process should the school attempt to fire him with just cause. His contract says "just cause" includes breaking  NCAA rules. According to Neuheisel's contract, only Hedges has the authority to fire him.

But if Hedges fired Neuheisel for cause, she had to provide notice in writing, detailing the reasons for the termination and setting forth a reasonable time within which Neuheisel may respond. Hedges could also have suspended Neuheisel with pay.

Now that he has been terminated, Neuheisel has the right to request a review and a hearing with  Norm Arkans, UW associate vice president for external affairs.

If, after that hearing, Neuheisel's firing is found to be with "just cause," then Neuheisel is not owed any money under the terms of his contract.

If, however, his firing is found "without cause," then the university would owe Neuheisel roughly $2.1 million, plus forgive the $1.5 million loan.

Neuheisel told KING-5 that although he has the right to an appeal, "it's a foregone conclusion. I am now done."

Neuheisel has said he saw a university e-mail this spring that he thought gave him the OK to take part in the pool, although he said he couldn't recall if he had seen one in 2002, the first year he took part. He said the 2003 e-mail confirmed what he thought had always been the UW's  stance.

Gilbertson, 55, has previously been a head coach at Idaho (1986-88) and California (1992-95). His record as a head coach is 48-35.

He was an assistant to Dennis Erickson with the Seahawks from 1996-98 before returning to UW. 

Gilbertson, who was born in Snohomish, was a graduate assistant at UW in 1976 under Don James, and was an assistant on James' staff from 1989-91. He was offensive coordinator for the '91 national championship team.

Gilbertson said yesterday he had been in his office preparing for the Huskies' season opener against Ohio State and called it "just another day at the office."

It's a game the Huskies will play without Neuheisel, who was 33-16 in four seasons at Washington.

The highlight of his UW career was an 11-1 season in 2000, that ended with a Rose Bowl victory over Purdue.

"It's a sad night for me," Neuheisel told KING-5.

Steve Miletich: 206-464-3302 or smiletich at seattletimes.com

Bob Condotta: 206-515-5699 or bcondotta at seattletimes.com




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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:27:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: bhoard at attbi.com
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Seattletimes.com: A proud tradition earned over decades is sullied in years
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Full story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134972843_blaine12.html






There is a tragic cocktail of anger and sadness in their voices, as if something special has been soiled. 

Washington doesn't pretend its football program has the tradition of Notre Dame or the talent of Florida State. 

Maybe it had something more, decades of toughness even when there wasn't talent, Rose Bowl victories that changed a nation's perception of football as it is played in the West, ominous gray clouds over a lake and a stadium intimidating opponents. Clouds that have suddenly turned black. 

"We're Dawgs," said Marques Tuiasosopo, "and we're sad. I love Husky football. I love the tradition and the toughness. I love the old guys who come around from other eras. 

"It's something we share and something we don't want to lose." 

Tuiasosopo, who as quarterback waved the wand that led Washington to the magical season of 2000 under the guidance of coach Rick Neuheisel, stopped on the golf course to answer his cellphone. 

"I liked the guy," he said of Neuheisel, "but I'm worried about next year's team. Those guys are close, very close to being very good. I worry what will happen to them." 

The revelation that Neuheisel tried one more desperate trick play to deflect an inquiry by the NCAA &#151; lying to investigators &#151; signaled the end for many. 

"I'm absolutely angered," said Ed Cunningham, the center on the undefeated 1991 team and now a sports broadcaster. "This program simply wasn't built around people who don't know how to conduct themselves. I don't want Rick to be the coach of our program anymore. 

"The embarrassment we've had to deal with is tragic, a shame." 

They are bothered, I am bothered, by Neuheisel's lack of respect for the rules that translates into a lack of respect for those who follow them. 

One former player didn't want his name used. He was prominent when he played, but wanted in this situation to be anonymous. 

"He has repeatedly shown a disregard for the university," said the player of Neuheisel. "I'm disheartened and angered. I can't find one former player &#151; black, white, young or old &#151; that is willing to give him any slack on this." 

While there was Hugh McElhenny in the '50s, and the momentous wins by Jim Owens in the '60s, it was the program established by Don James that set a standard for Washington, the discipline, the directness, the notion that a lightly-recruited Steve Emtman could be developed into one of the great players in college football history. 

In the minds of those who played here, James carved out a reputation and set a standard. Anything less wouldn't do, couldn't do. There was a Washington way, beating Oregon with just three first downs in 1984, Fred Small recovering a fumbled kickoff in the end zone to seal a win over USC in 1981. 

Purple reign, plain rain, find a way. 

The old guys were impressed early by Neuheisel. Everyone was. But something was missing. Perhaps it was that he was more like a player and less like a coach. 

Surely, as players from other eras stood and watched practice, he was not James standing from his tower. 

Neuheisel's aim was to be liked. He believed his players would respond in kind. They did for a while, but after a while, after some of the toughness that had come with Jim Lambright's legacy moved on, the motivation seemed to wane. 

There wasn't the sense of urgency, there wasn't the discipline, it was a different brand of Washington football, disappointing some, infuriating others. 

Cunningham was more troubled by the ethical aspects of Neuheisel's tenure than the physical ones displayed by his team. 

"It's tough seeing our defense get dragged up and down the field," said Cunningham, "but that happens. 

"It was the inconsistency of Rick's behavior that was troubling," he said. "You'd get slick Rick, but there was always some undercurrent of deceit. I agree you learn from your mistakes, but not on our watch, and not on our dime. 

"I like Rick, I still believe he is a good person. But when I heard about the e-mail, well, you know darn well he didn't have that when he made those bets." 

My wife went to Washington just after Owens' teams beat Wisconsin and Minnesota in back-to-back Rose Bowls. One of my daughters went there when the Huskies completed an undefeated season by beating Michigan in the Rose Bowl. 

Every decade of Washington fans have known great teams. The Seahawks may have been more popular in the '80s, the Mariners more popular in the '00s, but those pro teams come and go. The Huskies don't. 

Perhaps no university centered in a metropolitan city has received the devotion given the Dawgs. 

Given stewardship of Washington football, Neuheisel ultimately, tragically, showed no more respect for it than he did the rules. 

Blaine Newnham: 206-464-2364 or bnewnham at seattletimes.com 






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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 03:28:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: bhoard at attbi.com
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Seattletimes.com: To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't
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To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't
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Rick Neuheisel is a career liar. 

He lied to boosters at Colorado who thought he was going to stay there forever. He lied to his last batch of Colorado recruits, who thought he'd stay there for the length of their college careers. 

He lied at Washington to his athletic director. He lied to NCAA investigators. Like Richard Nixon during Watergate, he lied to protect himself. And, when his back was against the wall, he lied some more. 

In the end, at Washington, he hung himself with his own lies. He ruined a once-promising career with his lies. 

Tell me who the next college athletic director will be who will hire this liar? 

He lied because he could. He lied because it always got him out of trouble. He lied because he thought he was good at it. 

Rick Neuheisel lied to Washington athletic director Barbara Hedges about his interview last winter with the San Francisco 49ers. He could have been fired for that, because it was a violation of the terms of his contract. But he wasn't. 

On Sunday, with a face as sincere as prayer and a voice cracking with false emotion, he lied about when he knew about the ill-fated March 13 memo sent by Washington's compliance director, Dana Richardson. 

He thought that memo would be his get-out-of-jail-free card. That memo, he believed, gave him the right to participate in the high-stakes neighborhood March Madness gambling pool that will be his undoing. 

But he didn't know about the memo until last weekend. And the memo, with Richardson's erroneous addendum, was sent in 2003. Neuheisel first got into the pool in 2002. 

The memo was wrong. College coaches can't gamble on college athletics. Period. 

There can be no gray area when it comes to gambling. Still, Neuheisel clung to that memo like a drowning man hanging on to a life-saving buoy. He swaggered around Husky Stadium last Sunday like a man who knew he was getting another stay of execution. 

But this time he bet on the wrong memo. 

And, as it turns out, last Sunday would be the last time he'd ever walk on the Husky Stadium turf as Washington's head football coach. 

Worst of all, when he was confronted by the NCAA investigators last Wednesday about his participation in the betting pool, Neuheisel lied again. 

When they asked him about the pool, the question shocked him. He felt blindsided by it, and he denied participating in any gambling pool. He fell back to a strategy that always has worked for him in the past. He lied. 

If he had known about Richardson's memo and thought it gave him the go-ahead to gamble in the pool, why did he lie to the investigators? If he thought he had done nothing wrong, why didn't he tell the investigators the truth? 

If he knew about the memo, why didn't he admit to Hedges that he'd been a part of that pool? Why didn't he mention the memo to Hedges? After all, he says he thought he had done nothing wrong. 

His lies, as much as his gambling, are giving the university the just cause it needs to fire him. His lies were the hammers they needed. His lies made it easier to get rid of him. 

Rick Neuheisel, as one of his former players said yesterday, is a young man with a lot of money, and he was corrupted by his wealth. He was a smooth-talking golden boy who thought he could wiggle out of any problem. 

The life of the golden boy, however, turned into fool's gold this week. 

You always thought, with Neuheisel, that Washington wasn't his destination job. The contract extension he signed at Washington was a dream, but the job wasn't his dream. 

It seemed he always was eyeing the next job. Notre Dame one season. San Francisco the next. 

And he was a coach who wanted to be liked more than he wanted to be respected. When he recruited players, he told them they would have the time of their lives. 

Neuheisel's teams reflected his personality. They were undisciplined. They were soft. 

They made careless mistakes that cost them games, just as their coach made careless mistakes that will cost him this job. 

"This is about my life," Neuheisel said earlier this week. 

It's a life of lies. A life he has dismantled all by himself. 

Steve Kelley: 204-464-2176 or skelley at seattletimes.com 






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To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: My take
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 07:30:29 -0700
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Should I be happy about the fact that I finally did something that =
someone considers "classic"?

________________________
Scott G. Callen


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]=20
Sent:	Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:23 AM
To:	Husky Football
Subject:	Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Scott, your post seems like a classic example of blaming the media.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation



Is there a reason why we shouldn't have expected them to back off? Isn't =
the
primary reason that this has ended up being such a big issue because of =
the
play that it received in the media? Isn't there a point at which it =
stops
being "news", and is just---to use a football metaphor---piling on?

Fundamentally, this is a small issue. While I acknowledge that the NCAA =
rule
on betting is pretty straightforward, I'm still having trouble seeing =
how
this pool among a few friends violates what I'd characterize as the real
spirit or intent of the rule. This rule exists to prevent a student =
athlete
or coach from ending up in a compromising position as it relates to =
their
own sport. It's not like Neuheisel was hanging out in the back alley
slapping down $10K with Vinny the Gooch on the Huskies for the over. =
With
the introduction of the Dana Richardson memo, his true level of =
culpability
may or may not be debatable.

Did he really deserve to lose his job over this? No way. Considering =
fevered
pitch the media has manufactured in telling this story, it's the only =
result
that could have been expected. The newspapers have all said, "It's not =
just
this, but everything that's happened". Truly, the only violations of any
kind he's committed since being here were in 1999. The Colorado-based
sanctions were for violations that occurred several years before, and =
the
49'ers job interview debacle had nothing to do with football whatsoever, =
and
was again, blown entirely out of proportion by the media.

Last night, Art Thiel said that if he had kept his job, he thought that =
his
credibility in recruiting would have been in question, Do people really
think that his participation in a Final Four pool with a few buddies =
would
have given any recruit pause before deciding to come here or not? Would =
any
of the recruits we signed in February have gone elsewhere if they knew =
he
won some money last year in the pool? I'm guessing not.

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context, =
but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize =
their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched =
much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism =
of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, =
and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think =
she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing =
will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by =
showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical =
capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:48:51 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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I would say it's OK to be classic in the sense that you epitomize something,
but not in the sense that you are old!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation



Should I be happy about the fact that I finally did something that someone
considers "classic"?

________________________
Scott G. Callen


 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:23 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Scott, your post seems like a classic example of blaming the media.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation



Is there a reason why we shouldn't have expected them to back off? Isn't the
primary reason that this has ended up being such a big issue because of the
play that it received in the media? Isn't there a point at which it stops
being "news", and is just---to use a football metaphor---piling on?

Fundamentally, this is a small issue. While I acknowledge that the NCAA rule
on betting is pretty straightforward, I'm still having trouble seeing how
this pool among a few friends violates what I'd characterize as the real
spirit or intent of the rule. This rule exists to prevent a student athlete
or coach from ending up in a compromising position as it relates to their
own sport. It's not like Neuheisel was hanging out in the back alley
slapping down $10K with Vinny the Gooch on the Huskies for the over. With
the introduction of the Dana Richardson memo, his true level of culpability
may or may not be debatable.

Did he really deserve to lose his job over this? No way. Considering fevered
pitch the media has manufactured in telling this story, it's the only result
that could have been expected. The newspapers have all said, "It's not just
this, but everything that's happened". Truly, the only violations of any
kind he's committed since being here were in 1999. The Colorado-based
sanctions were for violations that occurred several years before, and the
49'ers job interview debacle had nothing to do with football whatsoever, and
was again, blown entirely out of proportion by the media.

Last night, Art Thiel said that if he had kept his job, he thought that his
credibility in recruiting would have been in question, Do people really
think that his participation in a Final Four pool with a few buddies would
have given any recruit pause before deciding to come here or not? Would any
of the recruits we signed in February have gone elsewhere if they knew he
won some money last year in the pool? I'm guessing not.

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation

Toby,
    I'm not sure what you mean by "political capital" in this context, but I
doubt very much that anything the papers have printed will jeopardize their
future access to the program. I don't think they have really couched much at
all. The fact is, they have been very straightforward in their criticism of
the "mess" referred to by Blaine Newnham. This is a mess, a major mess, and
the press can't be expected to back off and ignore it while the school
bumbles its way through.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


> >The papers wanted Rick
> >fired immediately, and suggest she's covering up for him.  I think she's
> >just being prudent and taking time to do this legally.  Her firing will
> >probably be tied to the NCAA.  If we can minimize sanctions by showing
> >her the door, then she's history.
>
> Certainly these papers have expended a large amount of poltical capital
and
> jeapordized potential future access by publishing stories which are
couched
> in a very adversarial tone. Now that that bridge has been crossed, or
> burned, I would expect they have no other choice but to continue this
> drumbeat and with increasing volume. In the nomenclature of
communications,
> they're succesfully "reframing" the debate, which seems a fair and
> reasonable stratagem when met with unreasonable silence from ICA.
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:11:59 -0700
From: "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Seattletimes.com: To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't
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Kelley must be a snake.  Spewing as much venom as any crotalid.  As someone
on this list mentioned, he stretched the truth in his accusation about
Neuheisel's phone calls to Colorado.  I find it ironic that the memo may
have actually contributed to Coach N's dismissal since the UW athletic dept.
is now in cover my ass mode.  I think this "gambling" thing is the least of
his transgressions.  State Governors have bet items of tangible value over
NCAA athletic contests and I've yet to hear anyone say anything negative
about that.  This was a pool amoungst friends.  The amount of money is
irrelevant as it only reflects the company he keeps.  I thought he should
have been fired after the public lying earlier this spring.  What he did
this time was stupid and shows a lack of common sense(for about the
umpteenth time) but to get fired over this?  A suspension of a couple games
without pay would seem to be fair punishment.  Heck, Sammy Sosa got a week
for blatantly cheating.  For the UW to say he lied to the NCAA this time is
a reach.  I'm guessing he will get most of his 3.6 mil, although he may have
to litigate to get it.  Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bhoard at attbi.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:28 AM
Subject: Seattletimes.com: To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't


> This message was sent to you by bhoard at attbi.com,
> as a service of The Seattle Times (http://www.seattletimes.com).
>
> Comments from sender: Steve Kelley pulls no punches
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> To tell the truth, Neuheisel couldn't
> Full story:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134972758_kell12.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Rick Neuheisel is a career liar.
>
> He lied to boosters at Colorado who thought he was going to stay there
forever. He lied to his last batch of Colorado recruits, who thought he'd
stay there for the length of their college careers.
>
> He lied at Washington to his athletic director. He lied to NCAA
investigators. Like Richard Nixon during Watergate, he lied to protect
himself. And, when his back was against the wall, he lied some more.
>
> In the end, at Washington, he hung himself with his own lies. He ruined a
once-promising career with his lies.
>
> Tell me who the next college athletic director will be who will hire this
liar?
>
> He lied because he could. He lied because it always got him out of
trouble. He lied because he thought he was good at it.
>
> Rick Neuheisel lied to Washington athletic director Barbara Hedges about
his interview last winter with the San Francisco 49ers. He could have been
fired for that, because it was a violation of the terms of his contract. But
he wasn't.
>
> On Sunday, with a face as sincere as prayer and a voice cracking with
false emotion, he lied about when he knew about the ill-fated March 13 memo
sent by Washington's compliance director, Dana Richardson.
>
> He thought that memo would be his get-out-of-jail-free card. That memo, he
believed, gave him the right to participate in the high-stakes neighborhood
March Madness gambling pool that will be his undoing.
>
> But he didn't know about the memo until last weekend. And the memo, with
Richardson's erroneous addendum, was sent in 2003. Neuheisel first got into
the pool in 2002.
>
> The memo was wrong. College coaches can't gamble on college athletics.
Period.
>
> There can be no gray area when it comes to gambling. Still, Neuheisel
clung to that memo like a drowning man hanging on to a life-saving buoy. He
swaggered around Husky Stadium last Sunday like a man who knew he was
getting another stay of execution.
>
> But this time he bet on the wrong memo.
>
> And, as it turns out, last Sunday would be the last time he'd ever walk on
the Husky Stadium turf as Washington's head football coach.
>
> Worst of all, when he was confronted by the NCAA investigators last
Wednesday about his participation in the betting pool, Neuheisel lied again.
>
> When they asked him about the pool, the question shocked him. He felt
blindsided by it, and he denied participating in any gambling pool. He fell
back to a strategy that always has worked for him in the past. He lied.
>
> If he had known about Richardson's memo and thought it gave him the
go-ahead to gamble in the pool, why did he lie to the investigators? If he
thought he had done nothing wrong, why didn't he tell the investigators the
truth?
>
> If he knew about the memo, why didn't he admit to Hedges that he'd been a
part of that pool? Why didn't he mention the memo to Hedges? After all, he
says he thought he had done nothing wrong.
>
> His lies, as much as his gambling, are giving the university the just
cause it needs to fire him. His lies were the hammers they needed. His lies
made it easier to get rid of him.
>
> Rick Neuheisel, as one of his former players said yesterday, is a young
man with a lot of money, and he was corrupted by his wealth. He was a
smooth-talking golden boy who thought he could wiggle out of any problem.
>
> The life of the golden boy, however, turned into fool's gold this week.
>
> You always thought, with Neuheisel, that Washington wasn't his destination
job. The contract extension he signed at Washington was a dream, but the job
wasn't his dream.
>
> It seemed he always was eyeing the next job. Notre Dame one season. San
Francisco the next.
>
> And he was a coach who wanted to be liked more than he wanted to be
respected. When he recruited players, he told them they would have the time
of their lives.
>
> Neuheisel's teams reflected his personality. They were undisciplined. They
were soft.
>
> They made careless mistakes that cost them games, just as their coach made
careless mistakes that will cost him this job.
>
> "This is about my life," Neuheisel said earlier this week.
>
> It's a life of lies. A life he has dismantled all by himself.
>
> Steve Kelley: 204-464-2176 or skelley at seattletimes.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 09:59:53 -0700
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To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: KJR is going to carry the news conference live
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:14:05 -0700
From: "Steve Knopf" <sknopf at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Mike Riley?
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Where is Mike Riley right now?  If he's still an asst in New Orleans
would we consider hiring him immediately for the job and if not, why?
Seems like a very good, high profile coach that could be here a long
time.

=20

Not that I don't like Gilby, I love him as an OC and OL coach.  I'm just
not convinced he'd be a great Head Coach and recruiter.

=20

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From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Paid suspension for RN!
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A decision will be made in the next few days about a replacement.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:17:24 -0700
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
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Why paid?  Is until the end of an appeal period?

>>> charlcas at microsoft.com 06/12/03 10:15AM >>>
A decision will be made in the next few days about a replacement.

 

Interesting quote: "We have a very outstanding compliance program."


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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:19:59 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Paid suspension for RN!
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He's got a couple of weeks to issue a written appeal.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:17 AM
To: Husky Football
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Why paid?  Is until the end of an appeal period?

>>> charlcas at microsoft.com 06/12/03 10:15AM >>>
A decision will be made in the next few days about a replacement.

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:34:02 -0700
From: "Scott Kemp" <Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Mike Riley?
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I have to disagree, in part.  I think Gilby is one of the best coaches
there is.  He does not seem to be a high profile recruiter.  Rick was
the type that actually loved that very competitive process.  He seemed
to convey great enthusiasm about the "great experience" potential
players would have at UW.  It is a level of salesmanship that some
people have a gift for and most do not.

That being said, I Gilby can be very successful here.  The program will
attract talent.  Gilby can coach them! In my opinion.

Scott

>>> sknopf at microsoft.com 06/12/03 10:14AM >>>
Where is Mike Riley right now?  If he's still an asst in New Orleans
would we consider hiring him immediately for the job and if not, why?
Seems like a very good, high profile coach that could be here a long
time.

 

Not that I don't like Gilby, I love him as an OC and OL coach.  I'm
just
not convinced he'd be a great Head Coach and recruiter.

 

Steve Knopf

Program Manager

Microsoft Game Studios

sknopf at microsoft.com 

801.257.6306

 


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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:37:57 -0700
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He's the head coach at Oregon State. =20

Rich
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Subject: Mike Riley?


  Where is Mike Riley right now?  If he's still an asst in New Orleans =
would we consider hiring him immediately for the job and if not, why?  =
Seems like a very good, high profile coach that could be here a long =
time.



  Not that I don't like Gilby, I love him as an OC and OL coach.  I'm =
just not convinced he'd be a great Head Coach and recruiter.



  Steve Knopf

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  Microsoft Game Studios

  sknopf at microsoft.com

  801.257.6306



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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:55:13 -0700
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Mike Riley?
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Isn't Mike Riley Dennis Erickson's replacement in Corvallis?

________________________
Scott G. Callen

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Scott Kemp [mailto:Scott.Kemp at ci.seattle.wa.us]=20
Sent:	Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:34 AM
To:	Husky Football
Subject:	Re: Mike Riley?

I have to disagree, in part.  I think Gilby is one of the best coaches
there is.  He does not seem to be a high profile recruiter.  Rick was
the type that actually loved that very competitive process.  He seemed
to convey great enthusiasm about the "great experience" potential
players would have at UW.  It is a level of salesmanship that some
people have a gift for and most do not.

That being said, I Gilby can be very successful here.  The program will
attract talent.  Gilby can coach them! In my opinion.

Scott

>>> sknopf at microsoft.com 06/12/03 10:14AM >>>
Where is Mike Riley right now?  If he's still an asst in New Orleans
would we consider hiring him immediately for the job and if not, why?
Seems like a very good, high profile coach that could be here a long
time.

=20

Not that I don't like Gilby, I love him as an OC and OL coach.  I'm
just
not convinced he'd be a great Head Coach and recruiter.

=20

Steve Knopf

Program Manager

Microsoft Game Studios

sknopf at microsoft.com=20

801.257.6306

=20




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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
To: Husky Football <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Hec Ed is great, SOftball Stadium, Dempsey Indoor, Shellhouse in progress,
Baseball and Soccer stadium in planning...



	--Steve


On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Toby Nelson wrote:

>
> She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not commensurate with his stature,
> hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season for cheating at his
> previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires in the other revenue
> sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the sanctions investigation, etc.
>
> As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure what else has been improved
> yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a remodel that didn't
> particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think she's done her job just like
> Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium expansion and Tennis Center, etc.
> Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.
>
> >From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
> >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
> >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation Date: Wed, 11 Jun
> >2003 13:02:56 -0700
> >
> >Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
> >BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm curious
> >what your opinion is....
> >
> >-Cody
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
> >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
> >Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
> >
> >
> > > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave it to
> > > Beaver"
> > >
> > > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> > > University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with Barbara
> > > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied up to
> >her
> > > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
> > >
> > >
> >http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
> >l
> > >
> > > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
> > >
> > > "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought had
> >lost
> > > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the Huskies'
> > > house."
> > >
> > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
> > >
> > > (Waiting on PI...)
> > >
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:43:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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Ms. Hedges has done a great job with the non-revenue sports - men's
and women' soccer, women's b-ball, baseball, and especially softball
- something that the more hard-headed football-obsessed Tyees don't
give her enough credit for. most of the AD is in good shape.

but the conflicting compliance guidance over the gambling, the
recruiting compliance failures with RN and Dollar, and just her
general failure to rein in RN are too much for me.

i wish her the best, but after this embarrassment we need a clean
slate. we can find someone who can improve on her solid base and get
the athletic department to the level of Stanford, Arizona, or UCLA.

--- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu> wrote:
> Hec Ed is great, SOftball Stadium, Dempsey Indoor, Shellhouse in
> progress,
> Baseball and Soccer stadium in planning...
> 
> 
> 
> 	--Steve
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Toby Nelson wrote:
> 
> >
> > She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not commensurate with
> his stature,
> > hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season for cheating
> at his
> > previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires in the other
> revenue
> > sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the sanctions
> investigation, etc.
> >
> > As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure what else has
> been improved
> > yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a remodel that
> didn't
> > particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think she's done her
> job just like
> > Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium expansion and Tennis
> Center, etc.
> > Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.
> >
> > >From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
> > >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation Date:
> Wed, 11 Jun
> > >2003 13:02:56 -0700
> > >
> > >Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your
> problem with
> > >BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and
> I'm curious
> > >what your opinion is....
> > >
> > >-Cody
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
> > >Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of
> "Leave it to
> > > > Beaver"
> > > >
> > > > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel,
> maybe the
> > > > University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up
> with Barbara
> > > > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who
> toadied up to
> > >her
> > > > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs.
> Cleaver."
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
> > >l
> > > >
> > > > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
> > > >
> > > > "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly
> thought had
> > >lost
> > > > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the
> Huskies'
> > > > house."
> > > >
> > > >
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
> > > >
> > > > (Waiting on PI...)
> > > >
> > > >
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:23:30 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
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Hec Ed is acceptable; hardly great. I did forget about Dempsey which is 
nice. As for baseball and soccer, like I said, planting grass doesn't count. 
We've had the best unfinished stadiums in the Northwest for the last - what 
is it, five years now?

Softball is a whole different issue. That is an investment of energy that - 
we now know - responsibly should have been targeted shoring up flailing 
areas like Men's & Women's swimming. When your house has peeling paint, 
faulty wiring, a leaky roof and green shag carpet, it seems advisable to 
repair those things before adding a Boom-Boom room.

In 1997, Coach Lambright stated that the most responsible course for 
facilities improvements would be investing into football and more Stadium 
expansion and using that to fund the non-revenue sport improvements. AD 
chose the PC route.

>From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hec Ed is great, SOftball Stadium, Dempsey Indoor, Shellhouse in progress,
>Baseball and Soccer stadium in planning...
>
>
>
>	--Steve
>
>
>On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Toby Nelson wrote:
>
> >
> > She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not commensurate with his 
>stature,
> > hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season for cheating at his
> > previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires in the other revenue
> > sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the sanctions investigation, 
>etc.
> >
> > As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure what else has been 
>improved
> > yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a remodel that didn't
> > particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think she's done her job just 
>like
> > Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium expansion and Tennis Center, 
>etc.
> > Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.
> >
> > >From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
> > >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation Date: Wed, 11 
>Jun
> > >2003 13:02:56 -0700
> > >
> > >Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
> > >BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm 
>curious
> > >what your opinion is....
> > >
> > >-Cody
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
> > >Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave 
>it to
> > > > Beaver"
> > > >
> > > > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe 
>the
> > > > University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with 
>Barbara
> > > > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied 
>up to
> > >her
> > > > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
> > > >
> > > >
> > 
> >http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
> > >l
> > > >
> > > > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
> > > >
> > > > "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought 
>had
> > >lost
> > > > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the 
>Huskies'
> > > > house."
> > > >
> > > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
> > > >
> > > > (Waiting on PI...)
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:31:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Snydsman <bsnydsman at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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These two aren't in planning, they're under
construction and have been for five or six years. 
Babs hasn't ever allocated the resources to finish
building them even though she's found money to build
Dempsey in one year.

--- Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
wrote:
> Baseball and Soccer stadium in planning...
> 
> 
> 
> 	--Steve
> 
> 
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Toby Nelson wrote:
> 
> >
> > She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not
> commensurate with his stature,
> > hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season
> for cheating at his
> > previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires
> in the other revenue
> > sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the
> sanctions investigation, etc.
> >
> > As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure
> what else has been improved
> > yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a
> remodel that didn't
> > particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think
> she's done her job just like
> > Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium
> expansion and Tennis Center, etc.
> > Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.
> >
> > >From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
> > >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges
> resignation Date: Wed, 11 Jun
> > >2003 13:02:56 -0700
> > >
> > >Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly
> is your problem with
> > >BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past
> week or so and I'm curious
> > >what your opinion is....
> > >
> > >-Cody
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
> > >Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges
> resignation
> > >
> > >
> > > > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department
> to Episode of "Leave it to
> > > > Beaver"
> > > >
> > > > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing
> Rick Neuheisel, maybe the
> > > > University of Washington should just get the
> ax warmed up with Barbara
> > > > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of
> a coach who toadied up to
> > >her
> > > > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of
> Mrs. Cleaver."
> > > >
> > > >
> >
>
>http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
> > >l
> > > >
> > > > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a
> Mistake
> > > >
> > > > "She expected him to rebuild a program that
> she mistakenly thought had
> > >lost
> > > > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the
> time to clean the Huskies'
> > > > house."
> > > >
> > > >
>
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
> > > >
> > > > (Waiting on PI...)
> > > >
> > > >
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:33:05 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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What does one do in the Boom-Boom room?


>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>
>
>Hec Ed is acceptable; hardly great. I did forget about Dempsey which is 
>nice. As for baseball and soccer, like I said, planting grass doesn't 
>count. We've had the best unfinished stadiums in the Northwest for the last 
>- what is it, five years now?
>
>Softball is a whole different issue. That is an investment of energy that - 
>we now know - responsibly should have been targeted shoring up flailing 
>areas like Men's & Women's swimming. When your house has peeling paint, 
>faulty wiring, a leaky roof and green shag carpet, it seems advisable to 
>repair those things before adding a Boom-Boom room.
>
>In 1997, Coach Lambright stated that the most responsible course for 
>facilities improvements would be investing into football and more Stadium 
>expansion and using that to fund the non-revenue sport improvements. AD 
>chose the PC route.
>
>>From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
>>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Hec Ed is great, SOftball Stadium, Dempsey Indoor, Shellhouse in progress,
>>Baseball and Soccer stadium in planning...
>>
>>
>>
>>	--Steve
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Toby Nelson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not commensurate with his 
>>stature,
>> > hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season for cheating at his
>> > previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires in the other revenue
>> > sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the sanctions investigation, 
>>etc.
>> >
>> > As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure what else has been 
>>improved
>> > yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a remodel that didn't
>> > particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think she's done her job just 
>>like
>> > Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium expansion and Tennis Center, 
>>etc.
>> > Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.
>> >
>> > >From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
>> > >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>> > >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation Date: Wed, 11 
>>Jun
>> > >2003 13:02:56 -0700
>> > >
>> > >Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem with
>> > >BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so and I'm 
>>curious
>> > >what your opinion is....
>> > >
>> > >-Cody
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
>> > >Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of "Leave 
>>it to
>> > > > Beaver"
>> > > >
>> > > > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, maybe 
>>the
>> > > > University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with 
>>Barbara
>> > > > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who toadied 
>>up to
>> > >her
>> > > > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > 
>> >http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298660c.htm
>> > >l
>> > > >
>> > > > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
>> > > >
>> > > > "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly thought 
>>had
>> > >lost
>> > > > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the 
>>Huskies'
>> > > > house."
>> > > >
>> > > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.html
>> > > >
>> > > > (Waiting on PI...)
>> > > >
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:56:50 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Strange Press Conference 
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Did I miss something ... Hedges said Richardson is the greatest compliance 
director in America (paraphrase) but that she and the ICA have been 
operating under a misinterpreted version of NCAA rules that explained the 
memo, forgiveable as an honest mistake. Some time later, Rob Aronson 
followed that up by stating that they teach all student athletes, via a game 
of "compliance Jeapordy", that betting "even $1" or "a shirt" is against the 
rules. If they misinterpreted the rules, how have they been able to 
correctly instruct student-athletes up until now?

I felt like I was listening to a books-on-tape reading of a Franz Kafka 
novel ... or a press conference outside Ownby Stadium, Dallas, c. 1987. "We 
are in control of this situation!"

Also, press conference seemed to have more slow pitch questions than a Larry 
King interview of Theresa Wilson (exception being Susana Frame [sp?], who 
bizarrely appears now to be RN's knight-in-shining-armor).

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 12:58:33 -0700
From: "Jeff Westerberg" <westy at u.washington.edu>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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evidently one plays softball...


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Max Waugh
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:33 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation


What does one do in the Boom-Boom room?


>From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>
>
>Hec Ed is acceptable; hardly great. I did forget about Dempsey which is
>nice. As for baseball and soccer, like I said, planting grass doesn't 
>count. We've had the best unfinished stadiums in the Northwest for the
last 
>- what is it, five years now?
>
>Softball is a whole different issue. That is an investment of energy 
>that -
>we now know - responsibly should have been targeted shoring up flailing

>areas like Men's & Women's swimming. When your house has peeling paint,

>faulty wiring, a leaky roof and green shag carpet, it seems advisable
to 
>repair those things before adding a Boom-Boom room.
>
>In 1997, Coach Lambright stated that the most responsible course for
>facilities improvements would be investing into football and more
Stadium 
>expansion and using that to fund the non-revenue sport improvements. AD

>chose the PC route.
>
>>From: Steven Finkelstein <stevenf at u.washington.edu>
>>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>>Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
>>
>>Hec Ed is great, SOftball Stadium, Dempsey Indoor, Shellhouse in 
>>progress, Baseball and Soccer stadium in planning...
>>
>>
>>
>>	--Steve
>>
>>
>>On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Toby Nelson wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > She let go of Coach Lambright in a manner not commensurate with his
>>stature,
>> > hired a new coach who had had to forfeit a season for cheating at 
>> > his previous job, swimming team fiasco, botched hires in the other 
>> > revenue sport, left UW dangling in the wind during the sanctions 
>> > investigation,
>>etc.
>> >
>> > As for the facilit"Y" improvement (I'm not sure what else has been
>>improved
>> > yet [planting grass doesn't count] save Hec Ed, a remodel that 
>> > didn't particularly turn out that great, IMO), I think she's done 
>> > her job just
>>like
>> > Mike Lude did before her with the Stadium expansion and Tennis 
>> > Center,
>>etc.
>> > Nothing to get as ga-ga as some people do about.
>> >
>> > >From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
>> > >Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>> > >Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation Date: Wed,

>> > >11
>>Jun
>> > >2003 13:02:56 -0700
>> > >
>> > >Not that I don't agree with you, but what exactly is your problem 
>> > >with BHedges? I've heard many pros and cons this past week or so 
>> > >and I'm
>>curious
>> > >what your opinion is....
>> > >
>> > >-Cody
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >----- Original Message -----
>> > >From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
>> > >To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>> > >Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:55 PM
>> > >Subject: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > Tribune's Boling Compares Athletic Department to Episode of 
>> > > > "Leave
>>it to
>> > > > Beaver"
>> > > >
>> > > > "Well, if everybody is skittish about firing Rick Neuheisel, 
>> > > > maybe
>>the
>> > > > University of Washington should just get the ax warmed up with
>>Barbara
>> > > > Hedges. ... We wondered about the sincerity of a coach who 
>> > > > toadied
>>up to
>> > >her
>> > > > the way Eddie Haskell acted in the presence of Mrs. Cleaver."
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > 
>> >http://www.tribnet.com/sports/college/uw_huskies/story/3269085p-3298
>> >660c.htm
>> > >l
>> > > >
>> > > > Time's Kelley Calls Firing of Lambright a Mistake
>> > > >
>> > > > "She expected him to rebuild a program that she mistakenly 
>> > > > thought
>>had
>> > >lost
>> > > > a step under Jim Lambright. ... Now is the time to clean the
>>Huskies'
>> > > > house."
>> > > >
>> > > > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134965116_kell11.h
>> > > > tml
>> > > >
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1806

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  2) Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
  3) Seattletimes.com: Hedges: Neuheisel left UW no choice
	by bhoard at attbi.com
  4) Seattletimes.com: Heat on UW might get even more sticky
	by bhoard at attbi.com
  5) Seattletimes.com: UW in Dawghouse? Dismissal may not get school off NCAA hook
	by bhoard at attbi.com
  6) Seattletimes.com: Ex-UW QB Hobert knows the feeling
	by bhoard at attbi.com
  7) Seattletimes.com: The view from Colorado: Nothing Neu about how coach operates
	by bhoard at attbi.com
  8) Another Final Four Pool
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
  9) Marques on RN, Gilby
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 10) Re: Mike Riley?
	by "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
 11) Re: Another Final Four Pool
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 12) RE: Another Final Four Pool
	by "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
 13) Re: Another Final Four Pool
	by "Brad Moore" <bgm7 at ix.netcom.com>
 14) a lame Photoshop job courtesy of the Sports Fan Union
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
 15) Re: Another Final Four Pool
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 16) Re: Another Final Four Pool
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:44:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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--- Toby Nelson <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com> wrote:

> In 1997, Coach Lambright stated that the most responsible course
> for 
> facilities improvements would be investing into football and more
> Stadium 
> expansion and using that to fund the non-revenue sport
> improvements. AD chose the PC route.

1. one doubts that Coach Lambright had a complete picture of the
AD's finances. if he did then he spent too much time worrying about
budgets and not enough time shoring up his DBs, the kicking game,
team morale, keeping guns out of practice, etc. etc.

2. one can hardly look at Dempsey and the coaching staff salaries
and then come to the conclusion that the football program went
begging.

3. "PC" is a an overused epithet, increasingly used to malign any
course of action one isn't in agreement on. example: "i wish my
mechanic hadn't been so PC last week and toadied to union interests
by replacing my U-joints. my car still squeaks."

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Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 17:19:46 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: All Newspapers call for Hedges resignation
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>one doubts that Coach Lambright had a complete picture of the
>AD's finances. if he did then he spent too much time worrying about
>budgets and not enough time shoring up his DBs, the kicking game,
>team morale, keeping guns out of practice, etc. etc.

I have faith that J-La was/is able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

>"PC" is a an overused epithet, increasingly used to malign any
>course of action one isn't in agreement on. example: "i wish my
>mechanic hadn't been so PC last week and toadied to union interests
>by replacing my U-joints. my car still squeaks."

Admittedly I did run out of epithets to use about a year and a half ago. 
It's been all bottom scraping since then.

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:41:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: bhoard at attbi.com
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Seattletimes.com: Hedges: Neuheisel left UW no choice
Message-ID: <200306130941.h5D9fW613610 at aqua.seatimes.com>

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Hedges: Neuheisel left UW no choice
Full story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/134987140_neuheisel13.html

By Bob Condotta and Steve Miletich
Seattle Times staff reporters



Rick Neuheisel's name was still on the door to his office yesterday at the Washington football complex. 

But Neuheisel, fired as UW's coach yesterday, isn't likely to come back. 

"I think I'll just pack up his things for him," a teary-eyed office coordinator said about an hour after the announcement that Neuheisel had been fired for participating in two high-stakes NCAA basketball tournament pools and for initially lying about it when asked by NCAA investigators June 4. 

The termination letter from UW athletic director Barbara Hedges also revealed that Neuheisel had taken part in a "small Final Four pool in the football office," which had not come to light before yesterday. 

No replacement for Neuheisel has been named. Hedges said she will talk to all nine of Washington's assistant coaches &#151; all of whom will be retained &#151; before naming a successor. It is still thought that offensive coordinator Keith Gilbertson will be named the new coach. 

Technically, Neuheisel was suspended with pay and given notice that there was "an initial determination that just cause exists to terminate" his contract. Being terminated with "just cause" means Neuheisel is owed no money by the school and would have to pay back a $1.5 million loan he received last August. 

He has until June 26 to respond to the notice. After a final decision on that notice, he can request a hearing with Norm Arkans, UW's associate vice president for external affairs. The entire process could take six weeks. 

Hedges faxed the notice of termination to Neuheisel about 10:20 p.m. Wednesday after talks to reach a negotiated settlement broke down. The settlement talks had begun last Friday. 

"We had reached a point where there was simply nothing else we could do," Hedges said. 

Neuheisel's next step is uncertain. Randy Aliment, a lawyer who has been working for Neuheisel, said a settlement still is a possibility. He said Neuheisel will likely announce new counsel today. Aliment can't work for Neuheisel on the case because his firm, Williams, Kastner & Gibbs, also works for the UW. 

Reached yesterday afternoon, Neuheisel said, "I can't talk right now, I'm watching my son play baseball," and said he would talk another day. 

In a news conference that lasted more than an hour, Hedges and Robert Aronson, UW's athletic-department faculty representative, explained that Neuheisel's lying was as big a reason for his firing as his gambling. 

Neuheisel, Hedges said, should have known that taking part in college basketball pools in 2002 and 2003 was against NCAA rules, even if an internal UW memo sent last March 13 indicated otherwise. But Neuheisel compounded his problems when he initially lied about the gambling. 

According to Hedges' termination letter, Neuheisel at first told investigators &#151; who had received an anonymous tip about Neuheisel's gambling &#151; that he had been only an "observer" at what Neuheisel has described as a "pizza-and-beer" party. 

"You recanted only after the NCAA investigator told you that the NCAA had witnesses who had identified you as a participant," Hedges wrote to Neuheisel. 

Hedges added that the gambling "shows poor judgment, particularly in light of your history of violations of NCAA rules both at this institution and at (Colorado). ... Your initial false denials of such participation likewise must be seen in context of your untruthfulness earlier this year with regard to interviews with the (49ers) at which time you were clearly told that further acts of dishonesty would not be tolerated." 

At the news conference, Hedges repeated her story that she had asked Neuheisel on Feb. 6, before he left for a vacation in Sun Valley, Idaho, whether he planned to talk to the 49ers. Hedges said Neuheisel "did not tell me he was going to San Francisco. There's no question that Rick was untruthful to me at that time." 

Hedges denied the school had fired Neuheisel because the NCAA had said it would suspend him for at least two years if he remained as coach, as Neuheisel's father, Dick Neuheisel, has alleged. Shedding Neuheisel, however, could lessen any possible penalties to UW in connection with this incident. 

Still, The Times has learned that the NCAA will further investigate UW's athletic department, particularly its handling of the memo that contradicted the NCAA's stance on gambling. Penalties could be levied in the future. 

Pac-10 and NCAA officials will also look into the small Final Four pool held in the UW football office, which the school learned about only after the investigation began into Neuheisel's gambling. The school acknowledged the pool for the first time yesterday. 

The office pool itself isn't thought to be a serious matter, according to one source, with a possible punishment along the lines of a letter of reprimand for those who participated. It could, however, be cited by the NCAA as part of a bigger problem at Washington. 

Hedges said she received a call from the NCAA three weeks before its investigators interviewed Neuheisel on June 4, informing her they had two minor compliance issues to discuss. No mention was made of gambling violations, she said. 

Hedges said she suggested that the investigators meet with Neuheisel, her and others during an NCAA compliance seminar in Seattle on June 4-6. 

Neuheisel and Hedges were each caught off guard when the two investigators asked Neuheisel about taking part in NCAA basketball-tournament pools in 2002 and 2003. 

"He was not prepared for the questions regarding gambling," Hedges said. "This was a very confusing time. Rick had been hit right between the eyes and he was trying to regroup." 

But Hedges said it was clear Neuheisel did not answer truthfully when he told the investigators he had been only an observer during the pool betting. 

Neuheisel made that claim during an initial meeting with the investigators, Hedges said. He then admitted to the betting during a brief second meeting before fully explaining his actions during a third meeting, all within hours of the first meeting, Hedges said. 

Hedges said she couldn't recall whether Neuheisel brought up the e-mail during the questioning by NCAA investigators, but that she believed that he had first raised it with her two days later. 

Aronson said it was not uncommon for investigators to hold back on some areas of questioning to "see the first reaction" of the person they are questioning. 

Despite Neuheisel's false answers, which Hedges acknowledges she heard during the questioning, Hedges told a Times reporter June 4 that Neuheisel had been "forthcoming" and should be given credit for that. 

Hedges said yesterday that she made that comment because Neuheisel had divulged everything by the end of the meeting. 

Aronson said there was too much focus on the e-mail cited by Neuheisel instead of the athletic department's broad efforts to comply with NCAA gambling rules. 

The rules are spelled out to coaches and athletes in memorandums, opinions, meetings, films and even a quiz based on the "Jeopardy" game show, Aronson said. 

"But our main method of compliance is to tell every coach, every student-athlete, every staff person, to ask questions," he said. "If you have an issue about compliance, if you have a question about whether you can do something or you can't do it, contact us and get a personal interpretation involving your situation." 

Aronson said the department has an outstanding compliance office, noting it includes three lawyers. He said the e-mail was based on the belief of compliance director Dana Richardson that small bets in pools with friends was permissible. 

"Obviously, the NCAA rule is that no bets of any kind that involves intercollegiate athletic staff, student-athletes or coaches are permissible and to the extent that is true, we will deal with that situation," Aronson said. 

The UW will examine the "whole situation" and discuss it with the NCAA, he said. 

Hedges said dealing with Neuheisel's situation had left her no time to think about a successor, the task she plans to tackle now. Hedges said she wants to talk to each of Neuheisel's assistants "to pick their football minds, and give them an opportunity to tell me what they think," she said. 

Hedges is also likely to ask each of the assistants whether they have been involved in the Final Four office pool or whether they have any other gambling history. 

Gilbertson, 55, returned to the Huskies for a third tour in 1999 to join Neuheisel's staff (he had been a graduate assistant at UW in 1976 and an assistant from 1989-91). He has been the Huskies' offensive coordinator the past three seasons. He was a head coach at Idaho (1986-88) and University of California, Berkeley (1992-95) and is regarded as the most logical successor. 

Gilbertson is a native of Snohomish. He was the UW's offensive coordinator for the 1991 national championship team. 

As for Neuheisel, Hedges said she did not regret hiring him. 

"Rick Neuheisel is an amazing talent," she said. "He will bounce back. He will be fine." 

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:45:51 -0700 (PDT)
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There was the hint of catharsis inside the Don James Center yesterday morning. 

After spending a tortuous seven days investigating and negotiating, Washington athletic director Barbara Hedges announced the sentence she was imposing on football coach Rick Neuheisel. 

She let us know in the first minutes of the news conference. The termination process according to the provisions of Neuheisel's contract had begun. 

This has been a sad story from its inception last Wednesday. There isn't an ounce of joy in this story. Contrary to what some believe, it's not a fun story to report. It isn't fun to write commentary about. And it isn't fun to read. 

The faces inside the James Center were proof of that. All were as serious as surgeons'. 

Lives have been scarred by this. Neuheisel's fast-and-loose approach to NCAA rules was costing him his job and, in the process, maybe others would be lost, or at the very least compromised. 

It was a dramatic and emotional hour. Hedges looked tired. The past week, obviously, was one of the longest of her life. More than just her football coach, Neuheisel had been her friend and now that friend had betrayed her and embarrassed her department. 

And on this morning, Hedges was doing what she never thought she'd have to do. Sitting in front of a roomful of reporters, cameramen, friends, coaches and athletic department staff and announcing the firing of her pal. 

But at last it was done. The inevitable had happened. Rick Neuheisel was gone. 

Hedges mentioned the lies. Lies he told her about his job interview with the San Francisco 49ers. Lies he told the NCAA investigators about his involvement in the high-stakes March Madness betting pool. 

Those lies burned her. She had done so much for him. Had forgiven his past NCAA troubles. She had stood up for him even when his fellow coaches were censuring him. She had brokered for him a $1.5 million loan that would help him pay for his dream house on Lake Washington. 

She had done so much for him and he repaid her with lies. 

It all came out yesterday. Even as her voice occasionally cracked, Hedges' words crackled. 

It felt, for that hour, as if closure was reached. As if this weeklong nightmare finally was over. 

But it isn't. 

Not by a long shot. 

Sooner, rather than later, another news conference will be called and offensive coordinator Keith Gilbertson will be announced as the head coach of the 2003 Huskies. It will be a lighter, happier day. 

But then, the NCAA investigators will roll into Montlake like so many IRS agents. And it won't be pretty. 

They will turn the athletic department upside down. They will check every e-mail, every cellphone call, every correspondence they can find. They will interview every coach, every assistant coach, every assistant athletic director, every staff member they feel is important to their investigation. 

When it slips into its investigative mode, the NCAA is like a giant Zamboni machine, sucking everything and anything in its path. The NCAA team will tear the place apart like police investigators armed with warrants. 

The NCAA is angry. It believes gambling of any kind is a big deal. 

Investigators will be summering in Seattle. They will be looking into why a compliance department that yesterday was lauded by Hedges could have been so sloppy. They will want to know why Hedges, or faculty representative Rob Aronson, didn't catch the stupendous mistake in the memo sent to everybody in the athletic department by assistant athletic director Dana Richardson. 

The spirit of that memo was that low-stakes neighborhood betting pools on the NCAA basketball tournament were permitted if no bookie was involved. 

They aren't. 

"It was a mistake," Aronson admitted. 

The NCAA is more likely to characterize it as a monumental gaffe. It was a huge, indefensible mistake. A mistake with consequences. 

The bloodhounds will be descending. And who knows what the collateral damage from their investigation will be. 

For a while, yesterday felt cathartic. But really, it was just the end of Chapter One. 

It's going to be a long, uncomfortable summer on the shores of Lake Washington. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
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By Les Carpenter
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The easiest part for Washington was dumping Rick Neuheisel. That came with a letter, a press conference and the quiet packing of his office. 

But the school's troubles in the case of its former football coach's lying and admitted gambling are far from over. In fact, they are only just beginning. 

Over the next several months, investigators from the Pac-10 Conference and the NCAA will visit the athletic department, trying to determine if Neuheisel's bet was the act of an individual who simply ignored the rules or the harbinger of a larger athletic department problem. 

"This is certainly a high-profile individual in a high-profile position," said Bill Saum, the NCAA's director of gambling activities. "Some of the questions may make it unique." 

The NCAA never has had a case such as this one, in which the football coach at a major Division I school earned perhaps as much as $20,000 in a basketball pool. Complicating matters is the presence of the e-mail from the UW's compliance director telling athletic department employees that it was OK to participate in off-campus NCAA tournament pools. 

Add in yesterday's disclosure of an NCAA basketball gambling pool inside the football office, and this may indeed go from an individual case to one that is institution-wide. 

That would make this instance very different from most of the others involving betting among athletic department staff members. Usually the NCAA does not hold a university responsible for the gambling of individuals or at worst considers the action a secondary violation worthy of little more than a reprimand. 

Washington's situation could be more complicated. 

"The bad e-mail raises a red flag," said a UW source who did not want to be identified. "It's leaning toward major." 

And a major violation could mean sanctions, scholarship losses, television bans and the most dreaded of all charges: lack of institutional control. Such an indictment often leads to the harshest of sanctions and the replacement of top athletic-department officials. 

"Anytime there are violations, our staff reviews whether the institution should have known," Saum said. "That's a starting point for the review. There are many components to answering the question." 

First, the Pac-10 will send its investigative team to look through the department's records and conduct interviews with staff members and coaches. It will then hold hearings to determine if any violations have occurred. Ten years ago, it was the Pac-10 that investigated the football program in the wake of the $50,000 loan made by an Idaho businessman to quarterback Billy Joe Hobert. Ultimately, the conference placed the school on probation for two years. 

This time, the NCAA will look at UW, too, especially given the excessive amount that Neuheisel might have bet. The NCAA will likely send the school a preliminary letter of inquiry announcing its intent to investigate. If the probe turns up incriminating evidence, then the school would receive an official letter of inquiry outlining the offenses and giving the university 90 days to respond. 

Even though a hearing will then be held before the infractions committee, a school receiving an official letter of inquiry &#151; according to precedent &#151; will almost certainly receive some kind of sanctions from the NCAA. 

An NCAA source said it will take into consideration the fact that the school quickly moved to fire Neuheisel. But he added "the process (of an investigation) must be undertaken." 

There is a fear in the higher levels of the UW administration that Saum will want to use the large financial amount of Neuheisel's bets to heighten the degree of violation. It is unlikely, though, that Saum's wing of the NCAA will conduct the investigation, since he deals with gambling issues. An NCAA probe will look at potential flaws in the four-person compliance office. 

Rob Aronson, UW faculty athletic representative, said he expects the NCAA investigators will probably sit in on interviews along with Pac-10 investigators and the university's own internal reviewer. 

"If they go through and find it's an isolated incident, I think it will end pretty quickly," Aronson said. "I think if they start finding it's not isolated, it could go on for some time. Rightly or wrongly, the NCAA, if they think an individual has acted improperly, they judge control on how you deal with that. If you treat it as not being serious, then you have a problem." 

When asked if he thought the UW had a problem, Aronson paused. 

"Hard to say, but no," he said. "If they don't find anything else, I suspect they'll say something about the memo, they might want a reprimand but it wouldn't go any farther. One of the difficulties with NCAA sanctions is that they try to tailor them to conduct. So if you engage in recruiting violations, then they take away scholarships or visits. Gambling is an individual thing, so would you take away scholarships from the football team? All the ones I've seen are ones that have dealt with the coach and maybe a reprimand or a letter of caution to the university." 

Then again, the NCAA has never dealt with a coach who won thousands of dollars in bets and a compliance director who said it was OK to participate in out-of-office pools. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 02:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
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By Les Carpenter
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By mid-morning, yesterday, the word had trickled down to Los Angeles that Rick Neuheisel had been fired by Washington for lying about money made gambling. This struck Billy Joe Hobert as ironic, given that 11 years ago he was kicked out of the same school for telling the truth about an improper loan. 

"One thing I've learned after being in the NFL is you don't admit to anything," said the only quarterback to deliver the Huskies a national championship. "If you have a good lawyer, he'll remind you, 'Don't admit to anything.' At least that's what my lawyer tells me. But I don't listen. I'm too honest. I'm a pretty transparent guy. You can see right through me." 

And yesterday, Hobert felt for Neuheisel. They will probably be linked forever in Huskies history for their spectacular rises and equally sensational falls. 

Hobert's demise came less than a year after Washington won the national title in 1991, when he admitted to accepting a series of loans totaling $50,000 from an Idaho businessman, then spending the money on cars, guns and stereo equipment. An ensuing investigation by the school landed it on two-year probation by the Pac-10 and led to the resignation of coach Don James. 

To add to the irony, both Hobert and Neuheisel claim the school gave them permission for their misdeeds. While Neuheisel points to an e-mail from the compliance director saying it was OK to be involved in off-campus betting pools, Hobert maintains the university told him his loan was OK. Both turned out to be violations of NCAA rules. 

Which is why Hobert reacted with such disgust to the news of Neuheisel's dismissal. He said he has known the former Huskies coach for years and always enjoyed their conversations. "I dig him," Hobert said. What he couldn't understand was what Neuheisel had really done wrong. 

"This is not a quote, 'gambling issue,' " he said. "Now I forget, who won the title that year?" 

Maryland, he was told. 

"And who did he have?" 

Maryland. 

"So he's pretty good," Hobert said, laughing. "He's the guy you want to call for the Final Four." 

Then he paused. 

"You know this guy's a good man," he said, his voice rising. "He communicates well with his players. I still think the NCAA sucks. And you can print that." 

When his professional football career ended three years ago, Hobert moved back to Seattle, where he used his name to try to establish a real estate business in Puyallup. At the same time, he attempted to reintroduce himself to a UW community that didn't always give him a warm reception. While he says he is "numb" to his legacy at the school, he remains disappointed that he walked away without fighting his dismissal from the team. 

"Any difference between myself and (Neuheisel) is that he will hopefully stand up for himself and do what's right," Hobert said. 

A few months ago, Hobert gave up on the whole experiment of living in the Seattle area and moved back to Los Angeles, where he lives near the ocean and sells real estate. 

He said he was thrilled the Huskies might hire Keith Gilbertson as Neuheisel's replacement, raving about the way Gilbertson would push his players while at the same time whispering encouragement in their ears. 

And as for the school's athletic director, Barbara Hedges, who oversaw the demise of both Hobert and Neuheisel? 

There was a long pause. 

"Let's put it this way, it's probably time to change (athletic directors)," he said. 

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 03:00:49 -0700 (PDT)
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By B.G. Brooks
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In the summer of 1995, before he started vigorously bending NCAA rules, before he merrily sent his first Colorado football team tubing on Boulder Creek, before he began fibbing to his bosses in Seattle, one particular Rick Neuheisel quip &#151; and there were many &#151; offered a peek into his psychological makeup. 

Near the midnight hour, when a weekend party at his stylish and spacious Boulder County home became a bit too raucous, courtesy of Neuheisel's guitar work and the accompaniment of friends on various instruments, neighbors called the police. 

Warnings to tone it down (but no tickets) were issued. Neuheisel later was asked for his take on the encounter with the authorities. 

Not batting an eye, Neuheisel answered, "Hey, you know what they say: It's not a party 'til the cops come." 

The cops &#151; in his case, the NCAA's enforcement division &#151; showed up in Seattle far too frequently for him to stay employed. After four tumultuous years, Rick Neuheisel's party at Washington is over. 

Neuheisel, no doubt, will land on his feet; he might be better off in the long run if, for once, he landed on his head. Neuheisel is no dummy &#151; far from it. He's bright, engaging, sometimes benevolent to a fault and difficult not to like. 

But over the course of what was a promising college coaching career at two major schools, he has demonstrated this much: He probably knows the rules, but he has a problem obeying them. And telling the truth, apparently, is not a strong suit. 

This observer's favorite "Neu-excuse" was hatched shortly after he landed in Seattle, eager to make his mark at a school he dubbed a "have," as opposed to the "have-not" CU he left. 

Because of the coaching change (Neuheisel replaced ousted Jim Lambright), the Huskies' recruiting was lagging with national signing day looming. Somehow, on the "quiet" weekend preceding signing day, Neuheisel's assistants were in recruits' living rooms &#151; a strict NCAA no-no. 

Neuheisel, of course, denied any willful wrongdoing. (A former CU assistant who did not accompany Neuheisel to Seattle later confided that Neuheisel told his coaches they had to make up for lost recruiting time and that he would deal with the Pac-10/NCAA if the plot were foiled.) 

Asked later to explain why his staffers were given the green light to recruit off-campus that weekend, Neuheisel explained that, in the quick and chaotic move, several boxes remained unpacked. And in one was, gasp, his NCAA rules book. 

It was the first of his "But I didn't know" pleas, with a litany of similar responses to follow over his next three seasons in Seattle. Little wonder that, by last week, when news surfaced that the NCAA was investigating Neuheisel's involvement in a neighborhood basketball pool, his increasing numbers of Pacific Northwest critics were predicting his defense would be based on an alleged unfamiliarity with the rules. 

But Neuheisel one-upped them, producing the infamous UW e-mail that instantly brought into question the competence of the school's compliance department, which OK'd gambling pool participation under certain conditions. 

Yet, in light of the legacy Neuheisel was fashioning, even that monumental administrative blunder and gross misinterpretation of NCAA rules wasn't enough to save his job. 

When UW lured him from CU in January 1999, most Huskies followers and even some media types were aghast at what was being said and written in the wake of his abrupt exit from Boulder. 

>From the football side of his CU career, words such as "soft," "undisciplined" and "one-dimensional" kept finding their way into print and onto the airwaves. Not that this is conclusive proof of a flaw in his character or coaching ability, but check the Seattle newspapers over the past week and see how many times those words were used to describe Neuheisel's last two Huskies teams. 

If Washington (read: athletic director Barbara Hedges) was guilty of a grave initial mistake in making its swift run at Neuheisel, it was this: The basis of the hire was in style rather than substance. Maybe no one in college athletics interviews better than the glib, personable Neuheisel. 

As it turns out, he talked his way both into and out of the UW job, and now the Huskies and their faithful feel betrayed and bitter. Times columnist Steve Kelley called Neuheisel a "career liar." 

What's next for Neuheisel? If you can't see him perched behind an anchor desk on a college football Saturday, you're looking in the wrong direction. If television will employ John Mackovic and Terry Bowden, Neuheisel could find work spewing Saturday commentary as early as this afternoon. 

Given his track record, the nature of his firing and the $100,000 word (gambling), it's doubtful another Division I school will make a quick lunge toward Neuheisel. 

Any school willing to hire him should anticipate close attention by the NCAA. 




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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 06:45:53 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Another Final Four Pool
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This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a seemingly
singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might have
been another pool in the football office itself and the possibility that
other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA could well
decide to make an example of the UW.

>From Today's PI
(http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The worst
fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional control"
in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and the
program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting. 

In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible gambling
infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one other
Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself, but
the dates and circumstances are unclear.

The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the football
office pool.

"Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
representative to the athletic department and a law professor. "That is
what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that won't be
the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""

 

 

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too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a seemingly singular
violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might have been =
another
pool in the football office itself and the possibility that other =
coaches might
be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA could well decide to make an =
example of
the UW&#8230;</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>From
Today&#8217;s PI (<a
href=3D"http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html">http://se=
attlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html</a>).
&#8220;The worst fear is that there could be a finding of &quot;lack of
institutional control&quot; in the athletic department, which was the =
case in
1993. The UW was penalized with a ban on postseason and television =
appearances,
and the program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting. =
</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>In a
related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from athletic =
director
Barbara Hedges also lists another possible gambling infraction, noting =
that the
coach was involved in at least one other Final Four basketball pool, one =
within
the football office itself, but the dates and circumstances are =
unclear.</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>The
immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the football office =
pool.</span></font></p>

<p><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&quot;Absolutely,
that is a fear,&quot; said Rob Aronson, UW faculty representative to the
athletic department and a law professor. &quot;That is what we are going =
to try
and find out, but we're hopeful that won't be the case -- but that is =
clearly a
concern.&quot;&#8221;</span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoBodyText3><font size=3D3 color=3Dblack face=3D"Times New =
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 10:05:59 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Marques on RN, Gilby
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    I find it interesting that in two interviews given during the past =
couple of days, Marques said he "liked" RN and "loved" Gilby. I would =
have thought that RN and Marques were very tight, given all the freedom =
RN gave Marques, and all the mutual succcess they shared.
    I also find it interesting that Gilby, by his own admission, was too =
soft on his players at Cal. He says he has learned a lot since then. We =
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:02:05 -0700
From: "Corey Rechter" <coreyrechter at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Mike Riley?
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Coaching at Oregon State.


>From: "Steve Knopf" <sknopf at microsoft.com>
>Reply-To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
>To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Mike Riley?
>Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 10:14:05 -0700
>
>Where is Mike Riley right now?  If he's still an asst in New Orleans
>would we consider hiring him immediately for the job and if not, why?
>Seems like a very good, high profile coach that could be here a long
>time.
>
>
>
>Not that I don't like Gilby, I love him as an OC and OL coach.  I'm just
>not convinced he'd be a great Head Coach and recruiter.
>
>
>
>Steve Knopf
>
>Program Manager
>
>Microsoft Game Studios
>
>sknopf at microsoft.com
>
>801.257.6306
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 09:24:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
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what's the likelihood that assistant coaches in an office pool were
throwing around $5000 bets?

--- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a
> seemingly
> singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might
> have
> been another pool in the football office itself and the
> possibility that
> other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA
> could well
> decide to make an example of the UW.
> 
> >From Today's PI
> (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The
> worst
> fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional
> control"
> in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
> penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and
> the
> program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting. 
> 
> In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
> athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible
> gambling
> infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one
> other
> Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself,
> but
> the dates and circumstances are unclear.
> 
> The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the
> football
> office pool.
> 
> "Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
> representative to the athletic department and a law professor.
> "That is
> what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that
> won't be
> the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Chris Carrel
> 
> ccarrel at attbi.com
> 
>  
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 12:50:02 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Another Final Four Pool
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Not too likely. Some of the comments from Rob Aronson, I believe,
indicated that this pool was small change and they didn't expect much
more than a letter of reprimand. Still, once the Pac10 starts digging,
who knows what they'll find...

Chris Carrel
ccarrel at attbi.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:25 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool

what's the likelihood that assistant coaches in an office pool were
throwing around $5000 bets?

--- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a
> seemingly
> singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might
> have
> been another pool in the football office itself and the
> possibility that
> other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA
> could well
> decide to make an example of the UW.
> 
> >From Today's PI
> (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The
> worst
> fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional
> control"
> in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
> penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and
> the
> program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting. 
> 
> In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
> athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible
> gambling
> infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one
> other
> Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself,
> but
> the dates and circumstances are unclear.
> 
> The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the
> football
> office pool.
> 
> "Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
> representative to the athletic department and a law professor.
> "That is
> what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that
> won't be
> the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Chris Carrel
> 
> ccarrel at attbi.com
> 
>  
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:31:48 -0700
From: "Brad Moore" <bgm7 at ix.netcom.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
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But consider, hypothetically, what can/should/will BH do if it turns out
Gilby and/or other assistants participate in that other pool, no matter how
small the wager was.  You'd hope one of the questions she's asking the
assistants today in her interviews is "were you involved in that other pool
within the department?"  If at least one of the driving forces -- if not the
primary driving force -- behind the RN firing was to appease the NCAA from
terrible institutional sanctions, could she with that in mind retain
assistants or name as the new head coach someone who participated in that
other pool?
All hypothetical questions, I know, but these possibilities point out some
of the spreading ripple effects this ugly incident may have on the program.

Bradford G. Moore
Attorney at Law
9 Lake Bellevue Drive, Suite 210
Bellevue, WA  98005
425-453-8161
bgm7 at ix.netcom.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:50 PM
Subject: RE: Another Final Four Pool


> Not too likely. Some of the comments from Rob Aronson, I believe,
> indicated that this pool was small change and they didn't expect much
> more than a letter of reprimand. Still, once the Pac10 starts digging,
> who knows what they'll find...
>
> Chris Carrel
> ccarrel at attbi.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:25 AM
> To: Husky Football
> Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
>
> what's the likelihood that assistant coaches in an office pool were
> throwing around $5000 bets?
>
> --- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> > This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a
> > seemingly
> > singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might
> > have
> > been another pool in the football office itself and the
> > possibility that
> > other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA
> > could well
> > decide to make an example of the UW.
> >
> > >From Today's PI
> > (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The
> > worst
> > fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional
> > control"
> > in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
> > penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and
> > the
> > program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting.
> >
> > In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
> > athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible
> > gambling
> > infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one
> > other
> > Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself,
> > but
> > the dates and circumstances are unclear.
> >
> > The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the
> > football
> > office pool.
> >
> > "Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
> > representative to the athletic department and a law professor.
> > "That is
> > what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that
> > won't be
> > the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Carrel
> >
> > ccarrel at attbi.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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To: rosebowl <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: a lame Photoshop job courtesy of the Sports Fan Union
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:44:59 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
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I get the impression that it is the NCAA that will be doing the digging, at
least initially.  Hopefully, the Pac-10 won't pile on with another double
whammy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Another Final Four Pool


> Not too likely. Some of the comments from Rob Aronson, I believe,
> indicated that this pool was small change and they didn't expect much
> more than a letter of reprimand. Still, once the Pac10 starts digging,
> who knows what they'll find...
>
> Chris Carrel
> ccarrel at attbi.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:25 AM
> To: Husky Football
> Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
>
> what's the likelihood that assistant coaches in an office pool were
> throwing around $5000 bets?
>
> --- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> > This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a
> > seemingly
> > singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might
> > have
> > been another pool in the football office itself and the
> > possibility that
> > other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA
> > could well
> > decide to make an example of the UW.
> >
> > >From Today's PI
> > (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The
> > worst
> > fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional
> > control"
> > in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
> > penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and
> > the
> > program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting.
> >
> > In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
> > athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible
> > gambling
> > infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one
> > other
> > Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself,
> > but
> > the dates and circumstances are unclear.
> >
> > The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the
> > football
> > office pool.
> >
> > "Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
> > representative to the athletic department and a law professor.
> > "That is
> > what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that
> > won't be
> > the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Carrel
> >
> > ccarrel at attbi.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
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> would reception be if i had a receiver implanted?
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 16:48:11 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
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I'm thinking--I'm hoping--that Gilby instinctively steered clear of that
pool.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Moore" <bgm7 at ix.netcom.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool


> But consider, hypothetically, what can/should/will BH do if it turns out
> Gilby and/or other assistants participate in that other pool, no matter
how
> small the wager was.  You'd hope one of the questions she's asking the
> assistants today in her interviews is "were you involved in that other
pool
> within the department?"  If at least one of the driving forces -- if not
the
> primary driving force -- behind the RN firing was to appease the NCAA from
> terrible institutional sanctions, could she with that in mind retain
> assistants or name as the new head coach someone who participated in that
> other pool?
> All hypothetical questions, I know, but these possibilities point out some
> of the spreading ripple effects this ugly incident may have on the
program.
>
> Bradford G. Moore
> Attorney at Law
> 9 Lake Bellevue Drive, Suite 210
> Bellevue, WA  98005
> 425-453-8161
> bgm7 at ix.netcom.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
> To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:50 PM
> Subject: RE: Another Final Four Pool
>
>
> > Not too likely. Some of the comments from Rob Aronson, I believe,
> > indicated that this pool was small change and they didn't expect much
> > more than a letter of reprimand. Still, once the Pac10 starts digging,
> > who knows what they'll find...
> >
> > Chris Carrel
> > ccarrel at attbi.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> > [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:25 AM
> > To: Husky Football
> > Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
> >
> > what's the likelihood that assistant coaches in an office pool were
> > throwing around $5000 bets?
> >
> > --- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> > > This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a
> > > seemingly
> > > singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might
> > > have
> > > been another pool in the football office itself and the
> > > possibility that
> > > other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA
> > > could well
> > > decide to make an example of the UW.
> > >
> > > >From Today's PI
> > > (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The
> > > worst
> > > fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional
> > > control"
> > > in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
> > > penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and
> > > the
> > > program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting.
> > >
> > > In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
> > > athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible
> > > gambling
> > > infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one
> > > other
> > > Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself,
> > > but
> > > the dates and circumstances are unclear.
> > >
> > > The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the
> > > football
> > > office pool.
> > >
> > > "Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
> > > representative to the athletic department and a law professor.
> > > "That is
> > > what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that
> > > won't be
> > > the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris Carrel
> > >
> > > ccarrel at attbi.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > XM Satellite Radio has restored my faith in a Benevolent Overlord. how
> > would reception be if i had a receiver implanted?
> >
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:50:59 -0700
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Another Final Four Pool
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I read this morning that the Pac-10 will lead the investigation and that
NCAA investigators will sit in on the interviews. Given recent history,
I'd prefer the NCAA lead. Who knows, though, the Pac10 may be so
overjoyed to be rid of Neuheisel that they'll go easy on us. :-)

Chris Carrel
ccarrel at attbi.com


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:45 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool

I get the impression that it is the NCAA that will be doing the digging,
at
least initially.  Hopefully, the Pac-10 won't pile on with another
double
whammy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "ccarrel" <ccarrel at attbi.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: Another Final Four Pool


> Not too likely. Some of the comments from Rob Aronson, I believe,
> indicated that this pool was small change and they didn't expect much
> more than a letter of reprimand. Still, once the Pac10 starts digging,
> who knows what they'll find...
>
> Chris Carrel
> ccarrel at attbi.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
> [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel
Luechtefeld
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:25 AM
> To: Husky Football
> Subject: Re: Another Final Four Pool
>
> what's the likelihood that assistant coaches in an office pool were
> throwing around $5000 bets?
>
> --- ccarrel <ccarrel at attbi.com> wrote:
> > This is too reminiscent of the Billy Jo Hobert mess, where a
> > seemingly
> > singular violation mushroomed upon investigation. That there might
> > have
> > been another pool in the football office itself and the
> > possibility that
> > other coaches might be involved would be disastrous. The NCAA
> > could well
> > decide to make an example of the UW.
> >
> > >From Today's PI
> > (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/huskies/126506_uw13.html). "The
> > worst
> > fear is that there could be a finding of "lack of institutional
> > control"
> > in the athletic department, which was the case in 1993. The UW was
> > penalized with a ban on postseason and television appearances, and
> > the
> > program had limits placed on scholarships and recruiting.
> >
> > In a related development, Neuheisel's notice of termination from
> > athletic director Barbara Hedges also lists another possible
> > gambling
> > infraction, noting that the coach was involved in at least one
> > other
> > Final Four basketball pool, one within the football office itself,
> > but
> > the dates and circumstances are unclear.
> >
> > The immediate fear is that other coaches participated in the
> > football
> > office pool.
> >
> > "Absolutely, that is a fear," said Rob Aronson, UW faculty
> > representative to the athletic department and a law professor.
> > "That is
> > what we are going to try and find out, but we're hopeful that
> > won't be
> > the case -- but that is clearly a concern.""
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris Carrel
> >
> > ccarrel at attbi.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> =====
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> would reception be if i had a receiver implanted?
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1807

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Sporting News College Football Magazine
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
  2) Re: Sporting News College Football Magazine
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  3) Re: Sporting News College Football Magazine
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  4) Where's the money?
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  5) RE: Sporting News College Football Magazine
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  6) RE: Where's the money?
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  7) Re: Where's the money?
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
  8) Re: Where's the money?
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:53:21 -0700
From: "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
To: "RoseBowl list" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Sporting News College Football Magazine
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UW excerpts:=20

Cody and Reggie both picked number one in the nation at their respective =
positions.  Rich Alexis picked 2nd team all conference.  Zach T rated =
#10 at fullback.

A Pac Ten Coach says: "Washington is overrated from a talent standpoint. =
There are three or four teams with better talent in our conference, but =
Cody Pickett makes them competitive...Roc Alexander and Derrick Johnson =
are average corners.  Nobody fears them."

Newcomer to watch: Craig Chambers

UW picked ninth in the nation but second to USC in the Pac Ten.

"It seems Rick Neuheisel is in the news all the time...Alas, the Huskies =
may make more news than Slick Rick this fall."

Pac Ten rated the fifth best conference: " A lot of points and a lot of =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cody and Reggie both picked number one =
in the=20
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all=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A Pac Ten Coach says: "Washington is =
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our=20
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Derrick=20
Johnson are average corners.&nbsp; Nobody fears them."</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Newcomer to watch: Craig =
Chambers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>UW picked ninth in the nation but =
second to USC in=20
the Pac Ten.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"It seems Rick Neuheisel is in the news =
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conference: " A lot of=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:19:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Sporting News College Football Magazine
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--- Rich Yamaguchi <guchaaa at hotmail.com> wrote:
> UW excerpts: 

>  Zach T rated #10 at fullback.

really? why?

i've not been impressed with his running, making holes for the TB,
or receiving out of the backfield.


=====
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 08:27:09 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Sporting News College Football Magazine
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Hey, I'm afraid of Derrick Johnson!

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rich Yamaguchi=20
  To: Husky Football=20
  Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 10:53 PM
  Subject: Sporting News College Football Magazine


  UW excerpts:=20

  Cody and Reggie both picked number one in the nation at their =
respective positions.  Rich Alexis picked 2nd team all conference.  Zach =
T rated #10 at fullback.

  A Pac Ten Coach says: "Washington is overrated from a talent =
standpoint. There are three or four teams with better talent in our =
conference, but Cody Pickett makes them competitive...Roc Alexander and =
Derrick Johnson are average corners.  Nobody fears them."

  Newcomer to watch: Craig Chambers

  UW picked ninth in the nation but second to USC in the Pac Ten.

  "It seems Rick Neuheisel is in the news all the time...Alas, the =
Huskies may make more news than Slick Rick this fall."

  Pac Ten rated the fifth best conference: " A lot of points and a lot =
of pizzazz, but not much substance."

  Rich



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  <DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dguchaaa at hotmail.com =
href=3D"mailto:guchaaa at hotmail.com">Rich=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drosebowl at u.washington.edu=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 13, 2003 =
10:53=20
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Football=20
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>UW excerpts: </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cody and Reggie both picked number =
one in the=20
  nation at their respective positions.&nbsp; Rich Alexis picked 2nd =
team all=20
  conference.&nbsp; Zach T rated #10 at fullback.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A Pac Ten Coach says: "Washington is =
overrated=20
  from a talent standpoint. There are three or four teams with better =
talent in=20
  our conference, but Cody Pickett makes them competitive...Roc =
Alexander and=20
  Derrick Johnson are average corners.&nbsp; Nobody fears =
them."</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Newcomer to watch: Craig =
Chambers</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>UW picked ninth in the nation but =
second to USC=20
  in the Pac Ten.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>"It seems Rick Neuheisel is in the =
news all the=20
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  fall."</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pac Ten rated the fifth best =
conference: " A lot=20
  of points and&nbsp;a lot of pizzazz, but not much =
substance."</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rich</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: Where's the money?
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I wonder of Rick has the one-point-five mil kicking around.

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:52:03 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>, "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Sporting News College Football Magazine
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Because he's really expected to do some damage...
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....couldn't resist

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Sent: Fri 6/13/2003 8:19 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Sporting News College Football Magazine



--- Rich Yamaguchi <guchaaa at hotmail.com> wrote:
> UW excerpts:

>  Zach T rated #10 at fullback.

really? why?

i've not been impressed with his running, making holes for the TB,
or receiving out of the backfield.


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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:01:36 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>, "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Where's the money?
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He will after he and Jerry Crawford get done reaming the UW for the =
money they owe him.

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From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu on behalf of Bruce Hoard
Sent: Sat 6/14/2003 5:43 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Where's the money?


I wonder of Rick has the one-point-five mil kicking around.

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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:14:23 -0700
From: "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
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I'd bet, oops, guess that he'll never have to repay the loan.  Mrs. =
Hedges gets quoted in the papers as saying he was forthcoming, then says =
he lied.  If Coach N sues for his money, he won't have to prove a thing. =
 The obligation will be on the UW to prove they had just cause.  The =
memo is going to cost the UW a bundle.  There aren't too many jobs where =
you can cost your employer millions of dollars and not lose your job.  =
Doesn't it seem like things get messier exponentially with the number of =
lawyers involved?  Rich
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Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 13:42:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Where's the money?
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KJR reported that they tried to reach a settlement a week ago but
couldn't come to an agreement. i'm dying to know what the suggested
terms were.

--- Rich Yamaguchi <guchaaa at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd bet, oops, guess that he'll never have to repay the loan. 
> Mrs. Hedges gets quoted in the papers as saying he was
> forthcoming, then says he lied.  If Coach N sues for his money, he
> won't have to prove a thing.  The obligation will be on the UW to
> prove they had just cause.  The memo is going to cost the UW a
> bundle.  There aren't too many jobs where you can cost your
> employer millions of dollars and not lose your job.  Doesn't it
> seem like things get messier exponentially with the number of
> lawyers involved?  Rich
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Bruce Hoard 
>   To: Husky Football 
>   Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:43 AM
>   Subject: Where's the money?
> 
> 
>   I wonder of Rick has the one-point-five mil kicking around.


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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1808

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) FSU changes athletic dept.structure
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>

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Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 19:10:52 -0700
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FSU takes compliance, student services, sports information, and fiscal =
authority out of the strict purview of the athletic department and into =
the hands of the academic campus.  Perhaps a harbinger of things to come =
at UW?  Rich

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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1809

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: FSU changes athletic dept.structure
	by JThompBoth at aol.com
  2) Husky games on ESPN Classic
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  3) Re: Husky games on ESPN Classic
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  4) "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  5) Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
  6) Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
  7) RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  8) Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
  9) RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
 10) Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 11) Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
	by "Steve Knopf" <sknopf at microsoft.com>
 12) RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"
	by "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
 13) Re: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
 14) RE: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:20:32 EDT
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Compliance?  Yes.  Others, no.

Some of the smaller schools .... Eastern Washington is an example ... the 
compliance office is under the direct supervision of the president.

Where do you put it at the UW?   Dana Richardson and the other two employees 
are hired by ICA.  But who do they report to?  The Faculty Athletic 
Representative, and he surely is under the president, not the AD.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 21:28:41 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Husky games on ESPN Classic
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Coming up:

June 27, 1-4pm: Holiday Bowl vs. Texas

June 30, 1-3pm: UW @ Cal, 1991

Can still remember Walter Bailey breaking up that pass...

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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 23:23:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Husky games on ESPN Classic
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--- Max Waugh <fiznatty at hotmail.com> wrote:

> June 27, 1-4pm: Holiday Bowl vs. Texas

oh boy. better program the Tivo for this one.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 01:25:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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http://slate.msn.com/id/2084437/

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 07:27:44 -0700
From: "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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I don't see a Clinton connection at all, except maybe in this analogy.  The
NCAA is the Catholic Church, gambling is sex, and Coach N is the priest who
got caught doing the Clinton with an unmarried adult woman.  ;-) Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel Luechtefeld" <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:25 AM
Subject: "The Al Capone of College Football"


> http://slate.msn.com/id/2084437/
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 09:54:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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i wonder if the "Roll Tide" story is true...

--- Rich Yamaguchi <guchaaa at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I don't see a Clinton connection at all, except maybe in this
> analogy.  The
> NCAA is the Catholic Church, gambling is sex, and Coach N is the
> priest who
> got caught doing the Clinton with an unmarried adult woman.  ;-)
> Rich
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Daniel Luechtefeld" <wolucky at yahoo.com>
> To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:25 AM
> Subject: "The Al Capone of College Football"
> 
> 
> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2084437/
> >
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> Overlord. how
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:52:24 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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C'mon people, this is pure crap!!

This guy has not got a clue...

"a 7-6 record this past fall with a talent-laden squad whose players
openly questioned each others' dedication"

Talent-laden?  Apparently the NFL didn't think so
Where was the questioning?

Garbage!!

~Chris

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Luechtefeld
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:26 AM
To: Husky Football
Subject: "The Al Capone of College Football"

http://slate.msn.com/id/2084437/

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:00:45 -0700
From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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This guy has no clue.

-Cody


----- Original Message -----
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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:25 AM
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> http://slate.msn.com/id/2084437/
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 11:47:44 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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"For instance, during periods when he was forbidden to visit recruits, he 
would drive in front of a prospective player's home, call him on his cell 
phone, and tell him to look out the window, where he would see Neuheisel 
waving. Washington high-school star Larry Stevens, who had spurned 
Neuheisel, described how the coach's pursuit bordered on stalking."

The Al Capone of College Football or the Mark Chapman of College Football?

I can see the last four years of the UW as a Lifetime movie of the week. 
Angela Landsbury as Barbara Hedges, Macauly Culkin as Rick Neuheisel and 
Demi Moore as Dick McCormick.

Sad.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:53:46 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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But who will play Bubba Richardson?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"


>
> "For instance, during periods when he was forbidden to visit recruits, he
> would drive in front of a prospective player's home, call him on his cell
> phone, and tell him to look out the window, where he would see Neuheisel
> waving. Washington high-school star Larry Stevens, who had spurned
> Neuheisel, described how the coach's pursuit bordered on stalking."
>
> The Al Capone of College Football or the Mark Chapman of College Football?
>
> I can see the last four years of the UW as a Lifetime movie of the week.
> Angela Landsbury as Barbara Hedges, Macauly Culkin as Rick Neuheisel and
> Demi Moore as Dick McCormick.
>
> Sad.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:08:50 -0700
From: "Steve Knopf" <sknopf at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 13:44:52 -0700
From: "Callen, Scott G" <scott.g.callen at boeing.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"
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Erin Brockovich?

________________________
Scott G. Callen


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Bruce Hoard [mailto:bbhoard at attbi.com]=20
Sent:	Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:54 AM
To:	Husky Football
Subject:	Re: "The Al Capone of College Football"

But who will play Bubba Richardson?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:47 PM
Subject: RE: "The Al Capone of College Football"


>
> "For instance, during periods when he was forbidden to visit recruits, =
he
> would drive in front of a prospective player's home, call him on his =
cell
> phone, and tell him to look out the window, where he would see =
Neuheisel
> waving. Washington high-school star Larry Stevens, who had spurned
> Neuheisel, described how the coach's pursuit bordered on stalking."
>
> The Al Capone of College Football or the Mark Chapman of College =
Football?
>
> I can see the last four years of the UW as a Lifetime movie of the =
week.
> Angela Landsbury as Barbara Hedges, Macauly Culkin as Rick Neuheisel =
and
> Demi Moore as Dick McCormick.
>
> Sad.
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 17:35:57 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Swell. We trade one paragon of virtue for another.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steve Knopf=20
  To: Husky Football=20
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:08 PM
  Subject: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


  http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/ratto_ray/1569280.html



  Steve Knopf

  Program Manager

  Microsoft Game Studios

  sknopf at microsoft.com

  801.257.6306




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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 14:46:18 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Again...these people need to go back to smoking their crack pipes

=20

....just not even close!!!!

=20

~Chris

=20

________________________________

From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:36 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

=20

Swell. We trade one paragon of virtue for another.

	----- Original Message -----=20

	From: Steve Knopf <mailto:sknopf at microsoft.com> =20

	To: Husky Football <mailto:rosebowl at u.washington.edu> =20

	Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 4:08 PM

	Subject: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

	=20

	http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/ratto_ray/1569280.html

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ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu [mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] =
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NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!</span></font></p>

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  4) Seattletimes.com: A new era for Huskies football: Gilbertson interim 'manager'
	by bhoard at attbi.com
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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 16:31:05 -0700
From: "Cody Mitchell" <cody251 at netzero.net>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Not a chance in hell.  I realize he didn't have the best =
athletes/facilities but I don't think he's that great.... then add in =
all the other crap... not a chance.=20

-Cody


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Steve Knopf=20
  To: Husky Football=20
  Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:08 PM
  Subject: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!


  http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/ratto_ray/1569280.html



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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 18:05:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian Snydsman <bsnydsman at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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It annoys me that all the media people forget that
until he had two back to back 10-2 seasons he had an
awful W-L record as a head coach.

--- Cody Mitchell <cody251 at netzero.net> wrote:
> Not a chance in hell.  I realize he didn't have the
> best athletes/facilities but I don't think he's that
> great.... then add in all the other crap... not a
> chance. 
> 
> -Cody
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Steve Knopf 
>   To: Husky Football 
>   Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 1:08 PM
>   Subject: Please NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
> 
> 
>  
>
http://espn.go.com/ncf/columns/ratto_ray/1569280.html
> 
> 
> 
>   Steve Knopf
> 
>   Program Manager
> 
>   Microsoft Game Studios
> 
>   sknopf at microsoft.com
> 
>   801.257.6306
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 20:50:52 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Gilbertson named "Supervisor" 
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With wry tone and none too sardonic smile, Fox Sports just reported that AD 
has named Gilbertson "Supervisor" of Husky Football.

Supervisor Gilbertson, Executive-Director of Wide Receivers Kennedy and VP 
of Quarterbacks Pettas should get all the support of the Husky Nation as we 
move forward. I think this was a decision by AD exhibiting excellent aplomb 
and decisiveness and will surely spare the University from being the butt of 
any more jokes ... kudos to AD on yet another human resources coup de grace.

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 07:18:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: bhoard at attbi.com
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: Seattletimes.com: A new era for Huskies football: Gilbertson interim 'manager'
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A new era for Huskies football: Gilbertson interim 'manager'
Full story: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/135019015_uwfb18.html

By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter



For yesterday, today and who knows how much longer, Keith Gilbertson will be acting as the head football coach of the Washington Huskies. 

He will be the one leading staff meetings, offering scholarships to high-school players and managing the team's affairs. 

But in title, Gilbertson is still nothing more than UW's offensive coordinator/tight ends coach. 

In the latest bizarre chapter to emerge from the Rick Neuheisel gambling saga, UW announced yesterday that Gilbertson will "manage the Husky football office" while Neuheisel is suspended. Until Neuheisel's status is officially determined, neither Gilbertson nor anyone else can be named head coach or interim coach. 

"From player to coach to manager," Gilbertson joked after learning the news. 

The move would seem to all but assure that the 55-year-old Snohomish native will be the team's coach when it opens its season Aug. 30 at Ohio State. But Gilbertson said the future hasn't been discussed and that he has received no promises from athletic director Barbara Hedges that he will be named the coach. 

"Where this leads, where this takes me, I have no idea," Gilbertson said. "I'm going to manage the football program for the time being until all this sorts itself out, and I'm not going to make any speculation on what would happen after that." 

Neither would Hedges, who did not meet the media, instead issuing a statement that said she will name a replacement to the "vacated head-coaching position" if necessary after the process involved in Neuheisel's termination is finished. 

"This is a very difficult time for everyone in the football office. Yet at the same time, it is necessary to go about the business at hand, and that includes having someone with the authority to make final decisions on some matters," Hedges said. 

While Hedges announced last week that she has begun the process to terminate Neuheisel's contract for "just cause," she technically suspended him with pay. He has until June 26 to respond to his termination, which his lawyers said he has not yet done. After that, Hedges will make a final determination. 

Neuheisel can then request a hearing with Norm Arkans, UW vice president for external affairs. 

The process could take up to six weeks, Hedges said recently. That leads right up to the beginning of fall camp Aug. 6. 

Neuheisel also could reach a settlement with the university at any time that would end the process. Phil Roeder, a spokesman for Neuheisel's lawyers, said yesterday that talks are continuing but that nothing is imminent. 

Jerry Crawford and Bob Sulkin, the lawyers Neuheisel hired last week to argue his case, released a statement on UW's move with Gilbertson, saying, "We are pleased that the University of Washington's actions today give us time to correct the mistaken allegations made against coach Neuheisel." 

Gilbertson said he met with Hedges early yesterday to discuss his new role. Hedges then met with UW's eight other assistants, and Gilbertson held a staff meeting. 

This is a busy week for the Huskies, with the team's football camp &#151; which is still officially named the Rick Neuheisel Football Camp &#151; running Saturday through Tuesday. 

It is not uncommon for schools to offer scholarships to recruits at such camps and for recruits to accept. 

"I'll assume the role that I did when I was the head coach in terms of evaluating recruits, re-starting the recruiting process, preparing for our camp," Gilbertson said. "A lot of our players will be back on campus for the summer session Monday, and we have to have plans for that. We have to get the office back up and running again. 



Gilbertson is the only UW assistant with Division I head-coaching experience, having compiled a 48-35 record in three years at Idaho (1986-88) and four at Cal (1992-95). 

Gilbertson's vast coaching experience, however, hasn't prepared him for something like UW's situation, where the acting head coach isn't the official head coach, and vice versa. 

"Any time in this business you think you have seen it all, you are about to see something you've never seen before," he said. "It's an awkward position for all of us." 

Gilbertson has admitted he took part in a $3 Final Four office pool in 1999, which would be a violation of the NCAA's gambling rules. But the NCAA has said there is a "significant difference" between putting a few dollars in a pool and betting thousands of dollars, as Neuheisel has acknowledged doing in 2002 and 2003. 

Hedges had said earlier that Gilbertson's admission should not affect his future at UW. Gilbertson said the two discussed the matter again yesterday, "But I don't know where all that leads." 

Gilbertson said he "probably" didn't think taking part in the pool was wrong at the time. 

"But if it was wrong, that's no excuse," he said. 

But he said he didn't want to comment on whether he had seen any of the UW memos on taking part in such pools that Neuhesiel has said gave him permission to gamble. 

"That's too Watergatish," Gilbertson said when asked if he had seen a 1999 memo. "I can hardly remember where I parked my car this morning." 

Bob Condotta: 206-515-5699 or bcondotta at seattletimes.com 






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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 08:02:27 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: Seattletimes.com: A new era for Huskies football: Gilbertson interim 'manager'
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...." But the NCAA has said there is a "significant difference" between
putting a few dollars in a pool and betting thousands of dollars, as
Neuheisel has acknowledged doing in 2002 and 2003".

....they (UW and NCAA) are such hypocrites, and continue to dig
themselves a deeper and deeper hole.

I only was asked to shave 3-5 points off the final outcome, not 15!

I was only asked to miss an extra point, not a FG

RN is going to be laughing all the way to the bank on this one.  Again,
the UW kowtows to the frickin' NCAA and their ludicrous set of laws. I
actually hope Rick comes out smelling like roses on this one, sorry!!

~Chris




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Full story:
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By Bob Condotta
Seattle Times staff reporter



For yesterday, today and who knows how much longer, Keith Gilbertson
will be acting as the head football coach of the Washington Huskies.=20

He will be the one leading staff meetings, offering scholarships to
high-school players and managing the team's affairs.=20

But in title, Gilbertson is still nothing more than UW's offensive
coordinator/tight ends coach.=20

In the latest bizarre chapter to emerge from the Rick Neuheisel gambling
saga, UW announced yesterday that Gilbertson will "manage the Husky
football office" while Neuheisel is suspended. Until Neuheisel's status
is officially determined, neither Gilbertson nor anyone else can be
named head coach or interim coach.=20

"From player to coach to manager," Gilbertson joked after learning the
news.=20

The move would seem to all but assure that the 55-year-old Snohomish
native will be the team's coach when it opens its season Aug. 30 at Ohio
State. But Gilbertson said the future hasn't been discussed and that he
has received no promises from athletic director Barbara Hedges that he
will be named the coach.=20

"Where this leads, where this takes me, I have no idea," Gilbertson
said. "I'm going to manage the football program for the time being until
all this sorts itself out, and I'm not going to make any speculation on
what would happen after that."=20

Neither would Hedges, who did not meet the media, instead issuing a
statement that said she will name a replacement to the "vacated
head-coaching position" if necessary after the process involved in
Neuheisel's termination is finished.=20

"This is a very difficult time for everyone in the football office. Yet
at the same time, it is necessary to go about the business at hand, and
that includes having someone with the authority to make final decisions
on some matters," Hedges said.=20

While Hedges announced last week that she has begun the process to
terminate Neuheisel's contract for "just cause," she technically
suspended him with pay. He has until June 26 to respond to his
termination, which his lawyers said he has not yet done. After that,
Hedges will make a final determination.=20

Neuheisel can then request a hearing with Norm Arkans, UW vice president
for external affairs.=20

The process could take up to six weeks, Hedges said recently. That leads
right up to the beginning of fall camp Aug. 6.=20

Neuheisel also could reach a settlement with the university at any time
that would end the process. Phil Roeder, a spokesman for Neuheisel's
lawyers, said yesterday that talks are continuing but that nothing is
imminent.=20

Jerry Crawford and Bob Sulkin, the lawyers Neuheisel hired last week to
argue his case, released a statement on UW's move with Gilbertson,
saying, "We are pleased that the University of Washington's actions
today give us time to correct the mistaken allegations made against
coach Neuheisel."=20

Gilbertson said he met with Hedges early yesterday to discuss his new
role. Hedges then met with UW's eight other assistants, and Gilbertson
held a staff meeting.=20

This is a busy week for the Huskies, with the team's football camp
&#151; which is still officially named the Rick Neuheisel Football Camp
&#151; running Saturday through Tuesday.=20

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camps and for recruits to accept.=20

"I'll assume the role that I did when I was the head coach in terms of
evaluating recruits, re-starting the recruiting process, preparing for
our camp," Gilbertson said. "A lot of our players will be back on campus
for the summer session Monday, and we have to have plans for that. We
have to get the office back up and running again.=20



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official head coach, and vice versa.=20

"Any time in this business you think you have seen it all, you are about
to see something you've never seen before," he said. "It's an awkward
position for all of us."=20

Gilbertson has admitted he took part in a $3 Final Four office pool in
1999, which would be a violation of the NCAA's gambling rules. But the
NCAA has said there is a "significant difference" between putting a few
dollars in a pool and betting thousands of dollars, as Neuheisel has
acknowledged doing in 2002 and 2003.=20

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UW memos on taking part in such pools that Neuhesiel has said gave him
permission to gamble.=20

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1999 memo. "I can hardly remember where I parked my car this morning."=20

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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1811

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) good news, for a change
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  2) "playoffs?!!"
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  3) Re: "playoffs?!!"
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
  4) RE: "playoffs?!!"
	by "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
  5) Re: "playoffs?!!"
	by "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>

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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 22:27:43 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: good news, for a change
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http://gohuskies.ocsn.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061803aaa.html

The UW is the only Pac-10 school to graduate at least 70% of their football 
players from the freshman class of 97-98.

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 11:59:22 -0700
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: "playoffs?!!"
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News reports out of CA have Jim Mora Jr. interviewing for the Husky head 
coaching
job in the near future.  Softy's mentioning this as a possibility as well,
and supposedly even Mora's confirming that he's received permission to
interview.

Max

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 15:32:55 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: "playoffs?!!"
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Can anybody provide a quick bio on Mora?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: "playoffs?!!"


> News reports out of CA have Jim Mora Jr. interviewing for the Husky head
> coaching
> job in the near future.  Softy's mentioning this as a possibility as well,
> and supposedly even Mora's confirming that he's received permission to
> interview.
>
> Max
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 12:40:46 -0700
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: RE: "playoffs?!!"
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1530700.html


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:33 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: "playoffs?!!"

Can anybody provide a quick bio on Mora?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: "playoffs?!!"


> News reports out of CA have Jim Mora Jr. interviewing for the Husky
head
> coaching
> job in the near future.  Softy's mentioning this as a possibility as
well,
> and supposedly even Mora's confirming that he's received permission to
> interview.
>
> Max
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:54:35 -0400
From: "Bruce Hoard" <bbhoard at attbi.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: "playoffs?!!"
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Thanks you Charles.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charles Castellow" <charlcas at microsoft.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 3:40 PM
Subject: RE: "playoffs?!!"


http://espn.go.com/nfl/columns/pasquarelli_len/1530700.html


-----Original Message-----
From: ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu
[mailto:ROSEBOWL-owner at u.washington.edu] On Behalf Of Bruce Hoard
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 12:33 PM
To: Husky Football
Subject: Re: "playoffs?!!"

Can anybody provide a quick bio on Mora?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: "playoffs?!!"


> News reports out of CA have Jim Mora Jr. interviewing for the Husky
head
> coaching
> job in the near future.  Softy's mentioning this as a possibility as
well,
> and supposedly even Mora's confirming that he's received permission to
> interview.
>
> Max
>
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1812

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Re: "playoffs?!!"
	by "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>

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Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 16:44:23 -0700
From: "Rich Yamaguchi" <guchaaa at hotmail.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: "playoffs?!!"
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Ugh!  I haven't the foggiest notion why he would be considered.  I don't
know what the stats are but having watched the 49er's all last season, the
opposition completed more third down passes for first downs than the Huskies
did the last two years combined.  His defense looks more like Hundley's than
any his dad put on the field.  Rich

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Husky Football" <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:59 AM
Subject: "playoffs?!!"


> News reports out of CA have Jim Mora Jr. interviewing for the Husky head
> coaching
> job in the near future.  Softy's mentioning this as a possibility as well,
> and supposedly even Mora's confirming that he's received permission to
> interview.
>
> Max
>
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1813

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) PI: Tens of Thousands of Dollars in Dept. Fraud Discovered
	by "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
  2) white line fever
	by Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>

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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:46:46 -0700
From: "Toby Nelson" <tobyscottnelson at hotmail.com>
To: rosebowl at u.washington.edu
Subject: PI: Tens of Thousands of Dollars in Dept. Fraud Discovered
Message-ID: <BAY7-F79DymPUVhV3Ca000172af at hotmail.com>
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"Jun. 21 - A former football program manager and ex-graduate assistant coach 
on the football team have been implicated by the University of Washington 
athletics department after a fraud investigation last year uncovered more 
than $40,000 worth of unauthorized long distance phone card charges, 
documents show."

http://www.msnbc.com/local/pisea/127698.asp?vts=62120030222

As an aside, the mismanaged $40,000 is equal to 800 $50 season ticket 
surcharges earmarked for "facilities improvements". Unrelated, between 1998 
and 2002, season ticket sales for men's basketball fell by about 20% (from 
~4800 to ~3800).

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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 11:51:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Luechtefeld <wolucky at yahoo.com>
To: rosebowl <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: white line fever
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hi from Kentucky.

Louisville is a very old looking city. U of Louisville's stadium is
about the size of Arizona's. in a Pullmanesque gesture the school
advertises itself right on the side of some huge grain silos right
along I-65, which are smack dab in the heart of the city.

media consolidation: they get ESPN Radio here, as they do everywhere
else i've driven on our interstate highway system. driving I-64
today i heard Mel Kiper offer his Pac-10 predictions:

1. USC
2. ASU
3. Dawgs
4. Stanford
5. Cal
6. Wazzu
7. Oregon
8. UCLA
9. OSU
10. Arizona

additionally, Beano Cook rated the conferences right after I turned
off of 31W and onto I-65:

1. SEC
2. Big XXII
distant third. Pac-10
4. Big 10

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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1814

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) Terms of Neuheisel's contract
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
  2) Fred Small, ex-Husky linebacker, killed in accident 
	by "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:29:10 -0700
From: "Hjort, Jeff" <jeff.hjort at attws.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Terms of Neuheisel's contract
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Well, it seems like we're entering the 3rd year of the Neuheisel
Dismissal proceedings!  How much longer can this thing be drawn out?!

It seems clear that things are proceeding now according to the terms in
the contract.  Neuheisel has two weeks from his time of notice of
termination for cause to request and prepare an appeal to Hedges (which
he is supposed to do on Thursday).  After that, he has the option of
having the decision of the appeal reviewed by somebody in the UW
Administration before the decision becomes final.  Seems like that whole
process is rather drawn out - doesn't it?

Anybody know if this is the typical terms included in a contract?  It
certainly seems like it put the UW in a tough position - how can they
replace the guy if he has an appeal pending?  The UW ends up in limbo
for about a month and it is all allowed under the terms of the contract!

If this isn't a 'standard' type of contract, it seems to me that THIS is
as good a reason as any to evaluate Hedges status as AD.  If this is
some sort of consolation to Neuheisel during the contract negotiations,
Babs sure set the UW up to be in a tough spot.

Let's hope the whole thing gets resolved ASAP!

Go Dawgs! Beat the Buckeyes!

-Jeff

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proceeding now according to the terms in the contract.&nbsp; Neuheisel =
has two weeks from his time of notice of termination for cause to =
request and prepare an appeal to Hedges (which he is supposed to do on =
Thursday).&nbsp; After that, he has the option of having the decision of =
the appeal reviewed by somebody in the UW Administration before the =
decision becomes final.&nbsp; Seems like that whole process is rather =
drawn out - doesn't it?</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Anybody know if this is the typical =
terms included in a contract?&nbsp; It certainly seems like it put the =
UW in a tough position - how can they replace the guy if he has an =
appeal pending?&nbsp; The UW ends up in limbo for about a month and it =
is all allowed under the terms of the contract!</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">If this isn't a 'standard' type of =
contract, it seems to me that THIS is as good a reason as any to =
evaluate Hedges status as AD.&nbsp; If this is some sort of consolation =
to Neuheisel during the contract negotiations, Babs sure set the UW up =
to be in a tough spot.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Let's hope the whole thing gets =
resolved ASAP!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Go Dawgs! Beat the Buckeyes!</FONT>
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 14:37:29 -0700
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To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
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Sad news from the SEATTLE TIMES today:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/135072777_websmallobit24.ht
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Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - Page updated at 01:16 P.M.

Football
Fred Small, ex-Husky linebacker, killed in accident=20


By The Associated Press

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DIAMOND BAR, Calif. - Fred Small, a former NFL player who was an
Inglewood police motorcycle officer, died today of injuries from a
three-vehicle collision.=20

Small, 39, died at Pomona Valley Hospital, said Inglewood police Lt.
Mike McBride.=20

Small's motorcycle and two other cars collided on the Pomona Freeway
late Monday.=20

A 16-year-old girl lost control of her car on the right side of the
freeway and it swerved and collided with a car in the lane next to her,
and then both cars hit Small's motorcycle, the California Highway Patrol
said.=20

Small sustained major injuries. One of two men in the second car was
hospitalized with moderate injuries. The girl and her 16-year-old male
passenger were both uninjured, the CHP said.=20

Small joined the Inglewood police department in 1998 after stints with
the Westminster and Los Angeles Community College police departments,
officials said.=20

Small played outside linebacker at the University of Washington from
1981-84 and earned All-Pacific-10 Conference honors in his senior
season. He also played on the Huskies' championship teams in the 1982
Rose Bowl and 1985 Orange Bowl.=20

He was drafted by Pittsburgh in 1985, and played one season with the
Steelers.=20

Born in Los Angeles, his given name was John Frederick Lee Small. He was
known as Fred.=20

Small is survived by his wife and four children.=20


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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Tuesday, June 24, 2003 - Page updated =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Football</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Fred Small, ex-Husky linebacker, =
killed in accident </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">By The Associated Press</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp; </FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">DIAMOND BAR, Calif. &#8212; Fred =
Small, a former NFL player who was an Inglewood police motorcycle =
officer, died today of injuries from a three-vehicle collision. =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Small, 39, died at Pomona Valley =
Hospital, said Inglewood police Lt. Mike McBride. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Small's motorcycle and two other cars =
collided on the Pomona Freeway late Monday. </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">A 16-year-old girl lost control of her =
car on the right side of the freeway and it swerved and collided with a =
car in the lane next to her, and then both cars hit Small's motorcycle, =
the California Highway Patrol said. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Small sustained major injuries. One of =
two men in the second car was hospitalized with moderate injuries. The =
girl and her 16-year-old male passenger were both uninjured, the CHP =
said. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Small joined the Inglewood police =
department in 1998 after stints with the Westminster and Los Angeles =
Community College police departments, officials said. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Small played outside linebacker at the =
University of Washington from 1981-84 and earned All-Pacific-10 =
Conference honors in his senior season. He also played on the Huskies' =
championship teams in the 1982 Rose Bowl and 1985 Orange Bowl. =
</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">He was drafted by Pittsburgh in 1985, =
and played one season with the Steelers. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Born in Los Angeles, his given name was =
John Frederick Lee Small. He was known as Fred. </FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Small is survived by his wife and four =
children. </FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Copyright &copy; 2003 The Seattle Times =
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			    ROSEBOWL Digest 1815

Topics covered in this issue include:

  1) You knew it was coming
	by "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
  2) Re: Fred Small, ex-Husky linebacker, killed in accident 
	by "Richard Olson" <husky4 at charter.net>
  3) Corey Dillon, Beyond the Glory
	by "Max Waugh" <fiznatty at hotmail.com>
  4) Corey Dillon-Beyond the Glory
	by "Richard Olson" <husky4 at charter.net>
  5) Seattletimes.com: Charles Carroll, 1906 - 2003: Legendary Husky, veteran prosecutor
	by uw54 at aol.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:13:02 -0700
From: "Chris L. Johnson" <chrislj at winse.microsoft.com>
To: <rosebowl at u.washington.edu>
Subject: You knew it was coming
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