HI ALL Just to add another point: although rare hybrids are known between EUCD and Ringed Turtle-Doves. See Christina Romagosa's article in North American Birds 53: 348-353 (1999). sincerely Ian "Birdbooker" Paulsen Bainbridge Is., WA, USA ipaulsen at linknet.kitsap.lib.wa.us "Rallidae all the way"