Sandpoint, Idaho dark-mantled gull photos

Stephen L. Lindsay slindsay at
Thu Mar 21 10:04:24 PST 2002

I have placed 6 photographs that I took on March 17 of the dark-mantled gull
being seen at City Beach, Sandpoint, Bonner Co., N Idaho at: .

This gull was first reported by Lisa Hardy last week. These photos are not
great, but they do show enough detail of certain important areas (nape & eye
smudging, leg color, wing tip pattern of folded and extended wings, upper &
underwing color, tail band). They do not show the orbital ring which is

There has been conjecture as to the identification of this gull: Western
vs. Glaucous-winged X Western vs. Slaty-backed. Below I have included
the comments of Ray Korpi concerning dark-mantled hybrids. We would
appreciate a discussion of this bird's identification.

Stephen Lindsay
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
slindsay at

----- Original Message -----
From: "Korpi, Ray" <RKorpi at>
To: <slindsay at>
Sent: Wednesday, 20 March, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: Dark-mantled Gull

> Stephen,

> The one thing that I've learned from local gull experts about Western X

> Glaucous-winged hybrids is that there are dark birds. I have seen, on

> occasion, very dark individuals that were for all intents and purposes


> Western Gulls except that the underside of the black wing tips was grey

> rather than black. Skip Russell, who has done much gull work in Portland

> (and worked on Dunn's gull tape), states that pure Westerns are very rare


> Portland, and in much of his experience, birds reported as Westerns are

> darker hybrids. So, yes, there are dark hybrids, and they do stick out


> your bird there. Someone should check the underside of the wingtips if

> possible

> RK


> Ray Korpi, PhD

> Director, Hawkins Computer Lab

> Clark College

> Vancouver WA




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