[Tweeters] Re: Hummingbirds - To feed or not?

Carol Stoner stonefam at gte.net
Thu Oct 13 08:51:52 PDT 2005


Tweeters--
A friend called today to ask if she should continue feeding the
hummingbirds that still linger in her neighborhood (Lake Meridian on
Kent's East Hill). I could think of reasons to both stop and continue
filling the feeder. Is there any science to guide us? Any anecdotal
information?
Carol Stoner
stonefam at gte.net

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> 4. Re: RE: Dogs (Brett Wolfe)

> 5. Re: Fall berry time (Brett Wolfe)

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> 8. radio telemetry volunteering (Martha Jordan)

> 9. Today at Kent Ponds area (Mark Vernon)

> 10. Nanaimo bird alert (The Backyard)

> 11. Sharp-tailed Sandpiper @ Jensen Access (Fir Island, Skagit

> Co) (Stefan Schlick)

> 12. corvid freeways (carenp)

> 13. accipiter eye placement (birdbooker at zipcon.net)

> 14. poaching eagles (carenp)

> 15. RE: Accipiter Eye Placement: (Guy L. Monty)

> 16. Northern Wheatear Day Five: (Guy L. Monty)

> 17. photo of Vashon Lewis' woodpecker (Ed Swan)

> 18. Demon Ducks of Doom? (carenp)

> 19. Westport Birding (Carol Riddell)

> 20. Re: RE: Dogs (Glenn)

> 21. how to unsubscribe? (Bob Bennett)

> 22. re:Accipiter eye placement (J & B Adamowski LaComa)

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> Message: 1

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:00:38 -0700

> From: "Jody Breckenridge" <jbreckenridge at r2usa.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] great horned owls

> To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> On Saturday I had four great horned owls calling from the woods around my

> property (two male/female pairs). To clarify, it started with the usual

> single owl calling throughout the afternoon, who was joined by a mate by

> late afternoon. These two have been around for a couple of seasons. By

> dusk, another pair (male/female) began calling from further away. All four

> continued calling for another hour or so as the darkness settled in. I

> eventually went inside so I don't know how long it continued. Nice treat

> though! First time I've heard four at once.

>

> -jody

>

> Jody Breckenridge, north of Monroe

> Rural Snohomish County

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> Message: 2

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:21:11 -0700

> From: "George B. Cobel" <gbcobel at comcast.net>

> Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

> To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> Many, many years ago when I had a bicycle paper route, I cured several

> aggressive dogs with a squirt gun filled with one part vinegar and ten parts

> water.

>

> George B. Cobel

> GBCobel at comcast.net

> Renton, WA

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> Message: 3

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 13:46:40 -0700

> From: "Glenn" <glenn.hansen at usa.net>

> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

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> So the dog owner is a idiot and you are going to make the dog suffer for it.

> Not only that before you pull the trigger on that squirt gun remember you

> are dealing with an idiot owner and the reaction you receive when he sees

> his dog in pain may be far worse than a wet pawed dirty shirt. Is birding so

> important to you you feel the need to act as ignorant as the ones you

> complain about. IOW taking the law into your own hands is usually a poor

> approach.

>

> Glenn Hansen

> glenn.hansen at usa.net

> Tacoma, Wa

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "George B. Cobel" <gbcobel at comcast.net>

> To: <>

> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:21 PM

> Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

>

> > Many, many years ago when I had a bicycle paper route, I cured several

> > aggressive dogs with a squirt gun filled with one part vinegar and ten

> parts

> > water.

> >

> > George B. Cobel

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> > Renton, WA

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> Message: 4

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Brett Wolfe <m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

> To: Glenn <glenn.hansen at usa.net>, tweeters at u.washington.edu

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> Jeezus Glenn, relax. The worst that vinegar is going to do is smell bad, maybe sting in the eyes a little, but it ain't gonna hurt the dog. Maybe it will learn thru experience what it's idiot owner didn't teach it: don't jump on every Tom, Dick & Harry out there. It is far better to try something like that than pepper spray or anything like that. Birding is important enough to me to keep damn dogs from jumping on me, yes. Sometimes one does have to take the law into their own hands in order to protect oneself. Would you rather I kick the dog? Beat the crap outta the owner? Cause a major scene? Or spray a little vinegar in a dog's face and make it run back to it's idiot "parents"? I think most people would prefer the latter. So far, of all the posts from this thread, which I thought I would catch wholly heck for, you are definitely the most shrill. Guess their are more folks looking for positive solutions to this problem than we all thought.

>

> Brett A. Wolfe

> Seattle, WA

> m_lincolnii at yahoo.com

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> Glenn <glenn.hansen at usa.net> wrote:

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> So the dog owner is a idiot and you are going to make the dog suffer for it.

> Not only that before you pull the trigger on that squirt gun remember you

> are dealing with an idiot owner and the reaction you receive when he sees

> his dog in pain may be far worse than a wet pawed dirty shirt. Is birding so

> important to you you feel the need to act as ignorant as the ones you

> complain about. IOW taking the law into your own hands is usually a poor

> approach.

>

> Glenn Hansen

> glenn.hansen at usa.net

> Tacoma, Wa

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "George B. Cobel"

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> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:21 PM

> Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

>

> > Many, many years ago when I had a bicycle paper route, I cured several

> > aggressive dogs with a squirt gun filled with one part vinegar and ten

> parts

> > water.

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> > George B. Cobel

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> > Renton, WA

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> Message: 5

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:26:38 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Brett Wolfe <m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>

> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Fall berry time

> To: "Guttman, Burt" <GuttmanB at evergreen.edu>,

> tweeters at u.washington.edu

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> This is a good time of year to find some aberrantly colored birds. About 4 years ago, in a flock of some 400 robins on Capitol Hill in Seattle, I was able to note two odd colored robins. One had some white on the head, in a kind of streak down the center of the skull. I thought that weird until I saw a 2nd bird, this one a robin with a normally colored body but an all white head. It was definitely the epitome of "weird bird". It's head looked ghost white, almost like bone skull, and it's eyes seemed larger due to the odd coloring.

>

> I have also seen large flocks of waxwings and robins near Shoreline Community College in the past. Very active, lots of squabbling. But wait'll you hear how quiet it gets when a Cooper's Hawk flies thru!!

>

> Brett A. Wolfe

> Seattle, WA

> m_lincolnii at yahoo.com

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> "Guttman, Burt" <GuttmanB at evergreen.edu> wrote:

> We haven't quite been having a feeding frenzy here, as we did about this time last year, but the Pacific Madrone and Mountain Ash berries are ripe, and the woods are full of Robins and Band-tailed Pigeons feeding voraciously. A pleasant time to be watching and enjoying the yard.

>

>

> Burt Guttman

> The Evergreen State College

> Olympia, WA 98505 guttmanb at evergreen.edu

> Home: 7334 Holmes Island Road S. E., Olympia, 98503

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> Message: 6

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 15:27:43 -0700

> From: "Valerie Elliott" <VElliott at msn.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] High Island, TX

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> Just wanted to let you know that High Island, Texas is currently closed due to hurricane Rita. If you're planning a Texas trip check out the Houston Audubon website for further information.

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> Valerie Elliott

> Olympia, WA.

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> Message: 7

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:01:39 -0700

> From: "Martha Jordan" <swanlady at drizzle.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] radio telemetry volunteers

> To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> The swans will be returning soon. As you are aware, there has been a large

> die-off of trumpeter swans from lead shot ingestion in Whatcom County and

> over the border in the Sumas Prairie area of B.C. For several years WDFW,

> USFWS and Canadian Wildlife Service have been studying the issue to try and

> find the source of the lead shot. More than 240 radio transmitter collars

> have been put on swans in that area. This year a possible 195 could be

> returning. We need to track them and find where they are feeding.

>

> This year, funding for the project is down considerably. The wildlife

> agencies have decided to use volunteers for some of the project needs. The

> USFWS has asked The Trumpeter Swan Society to coordinate the telemetry work

> using volunteers. We will train you and compensation for gas will be

> provided. The project will run from Nov. 1 through January. You can give a

> little or a lot, we need people for any day of the week as we hope to do

> telemetry 7 days/week.

>

> If you are interested and can give 1 day/week for several weeks, or several

> days a week please contact me at marthaj at swansociety.org or 425-787-0258.

>

> If you know anyone who would be interested in this kind of opportunity,

> please share this information.

>

> Martha Jordan

> www.swansociety.org

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> Message: 8

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:12:39 -0700

> From: "Martha Jordan" <swanlady at drizzle.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] radio telemetry volunteering

> To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> Sorry -- the area is in Whatcom County and Sumas Prairie, B.C. for the radio

> telemetry volunteering.

>

> Martha Jordan

> www.swansociety.org

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> Message: 9

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:23:45 -0700 (PDT)

> From: Mark Vernon <ma_vern at yahoo.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] Today at Kent Ponds area

> To: Tweeters at u.washington.edu

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> I enjoyed the nice weather today by hiking around the Kent Ponds area.

>

> I started at the Boeing Pond, not much action. Canada Geese and Green-winged Teals were sunning themselves. An interesting shorebird was flying in circles making repeated cries. It had a medium sized, straight beak and curved wings but I couldn't get a good look.

>

> Next I walked to the Kent Ponds. A Harrier was sitting in a field quite close to an observation tower. Two Cooper's Hawks were chasing Rock Doves. I counted a flock of about 220 Cackling Geese....I think they were because of their smaller size and funny sounding cries, to me like Canada's after taking Helium. They excited many of the other birds.

>

> Going west I crossed the foot bridge going over the Green River. and continued to the hidden pond up against the West hill. There was a lot of activity here, Northern Pintails were present among the Mallards and Green-winged Teals. Mixed in were shorebirds, Dowitchers I think, because of their dumpy bodies and long bills. It looks like nice muck for wading. On my way out of here I saw a bird I hadn't seen for a while, a Bittern standing straight up, classic pose.

>

> Going back across the foot bridge, a River Otter passed under me, underwater, hugging the bank. Then I went to the south tower of the Kent Ponds and east to catch the 150 bus. It was a great walk all in all.

>

> -Mark Vernon

> Renton, WA

>

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> Message: 10

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 16:24:52 -0700

> From: The Backyard <thebackyard at shaw.ca>

> Subject: [Tweeters] Nanaimo bird alert

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> Message: 11

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:21:38 -0400

> From: "Stefan Schlick" <greenfant at hotmail.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] Sharp-tailed Sandpiper @ Jensen Access (Fir

> Island, Skagit Co)

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> At about noon today, I ran over to Fir Island to check if I could relocate

> the Bar-tailed Godwits and the Pacific Golden Plover that Gary Bletsch had

> there at the Jansen Access on the 9th. Unfortunately, I could not, yet there

> was a juvie Sharp-tailed Sandpiper mixed in with about 100 Dunlins and 20

> Black-bellied Plovers. At the North Fork Access there was an adult Northern

> Shrike.

>

> Stefan Schlick

> Bellevue, WA

>

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> Message: 12

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 19:42:37 -0700

> From: "carenp" <carenp at totalise.co.uk>

> Subject: [Tweeters] corvid freeways

> To: "tweets" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> something i've noticed lately, as my commute is coming more into line with

> corvids returning to their nightly haunts: when they wander "home", they

> seem to do so in proscribed paths, aerial rivers or roads as it were...

>

> today made that abundantly clear: heading south on 148th in bellevue around

> 18:20, two rivers of crows were headed west-ish into the sunset. one was

> doing so directly over larson lake, the other was west-bound along the north

> side of interstate 90. both rivers contained upwards of 200 birds in

> flotillas as small as 3-4, as large as 30-40, all following the same flight

> plan...

>

> as i passed over 405 on my own westward ho, there was still one more group,

> this time a mere creek of perhaps 40-50 crows, and these were headed

> directly northbound into the east side of the mercer slough...

>

> a few weeks ago, headed northbound on 405, the river was on the east side of

> the highway until it crossed 520, at which time it crossed the highway

> almost dead-center with 520 and was seen for the next several miles on the

> west side of 405 only... this river was headed southbound towards the same

> general area of the mercer slough...

>

> at no time did i see any flock larger than 2 crows headed in any other

> direction. i infer from such small bits of evidence that, perhaps, there is

> a corvid travelodge somewhere within the slough, with at least 750 birds,

> and probably much larger by at least an order of magnitude... can anyone

> corroborate this?

>

> 00 caren

> http://www.parkgallery.org

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> Message: 13

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 20:40:44 -700

> From: birdbooker at zipcon.net

> Subject: [Tweeters] accipiter eye placement

> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu

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> HI:

> I recall a useful field mark to separate Cooper's Hawk from Sharp-shinned Hawk is eye placement relative to the the beak. So which one has its eyes closer to its beak?

> --

> Ian Paulsen

> Bainbridge Island, WA USA

> A.K.A.:Birdbooker

> \"Rallidae all the way!\"

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> Message: 14

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:32:03 -0700

> From: "carenp" <carenp at totalise.co.uk>

> Subject: [Tweeters] poaching eagles

> To: "tweets" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> All Things Considered, October 11, 2005 · An apparent increase in eagle

> poaching in the Northwest has drawn attention to the market for eagle

> feathers and talons -- both legal and illegal.

>

> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4954671&ft=1&f=2

>

> 00 caren

> http://www.parkgallery.org

> from the internet near seward park

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> Message: 15

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:40:24 -0700

> From: "Guy L. Monty" <guylmonty at hotmail.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Accipiter Eye Placement:

> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu

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> Cooper's Hawks eye's are closer to the beak than the nape. Sharp-shinned

> Hawks eye's are more centrally placed on the face.

>

> Guy L. Monty

> Parksville, BC

>

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> Message: 16

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:47:52 -0700

> From: "Guy L. Monty" <guylmonty at hotmail.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] Northern Wheatear Day Five:

> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu

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> Hi again,

>

> The Northern Wheatear was seen again today in the vicinity of the French

> Creek Estuary on Vancouver Island. It was easily found in the morning, but

> disapeared for about 4 hours in the afternoon. It was later found on the

> French Creek Marina's breakwater, directly across French Creek from where it

> has been seen the last five days.

>

> Also seen there today was a Leach's Storm Petrel flying past French Creek

> heading south.

>

> thanks,

>

> Guy L. Monty

> Parksville, BC

>

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> Message: 17

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 21:52:46 -0700

> From: "Ed Swan" <edswan at centurytel.net>

> Subject: [Tweeters] photo of Vashon Lewis' woodpecker

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> Message: 18

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:16:08 -0700

> From: "carenp" <carenp at totalise.co.uk>

> Subject: [Tweeters] Demon Ducks of Doom?

> To: "tweets" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> Australian Duck Installed at Burke

> Thurs., October 13, 7 pm; Burke Room

> http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/events/duck/

>

> 00 caren

> http://www.parkgallery.org

> from the internet near seward park

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> Message: 19

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:19:42 -0700

> From: Carol Riddell <cariddell at mac.com>

> Subject: [Tweeters] Westport Birding

> To: Tweeters <Tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> Hi Tweets,

>

> Today was a great day at Grays Harbor. Temperature around 60, sun,

> and no wind to speak of. I got a late start so the tide was out when

> i arrived at Bottle Beach. What few species that could be seen on

> the water were Canada Goose, Ring-billed Gull, Western Gull, Black-

> bellied Plover, and 18 Great Blue Herons. The flitters included

> several Fox Sparrow, Golden-crowned Sparrow, a Savannah Sparrow,

> Yellow-rumped Warbler (1st year), and a flock of Cedar Waxwings

> munching away on the berries.

>

> Next stop was Float 21 in the Westport Marina. There were around 100

> Brown Pelican on the breakwater, 60-70 Heermann's Gull on a float

> near the Coast Guard station, a number of adult and juvenile Common

> Loon, one Red-necked Grebe, several Western Grebe, all three

> Cormorants, and a male Belted Kingfisher. About 180 godwits were

> resting directly across from the end of Float 21. The juvenile

> Hudsonian and juvenile Bar-tailed were well-observed among the Marbleds.

>

> There wasn't a lot of activity to be seen from the Point Chehalis

> observation platform or the fishing boardwalk. More Common Loon, one

> female Bufflehead, and both White-winged and Surf Scoter, in addition

> to the gulls and pelicans.

>

> Midway Beach only had Sanderlings and one Dunlin. On the east side

> of the Bay City Bridge (opposite Brady's Oysters) were 4 Great Egret

> and some American Wigeon.

>

> Back to Bottle Beach on the higher tide to finish off the daylight

> before heading home. Black-bellied Plovers were out in force but

> there were also three Pacific Golden Plovers. There were lots of

> Dunlin, one juvenile Long-billed Dowitcher, and a Willet. Ducks were

> limited to Green-winged Teal and American Wigeon. Two Northern

> Harriers were also present.

>

> I dipped on the Tropical Kingbird but at least I wasn't birding under

> an umbrella! Glad I waited for the good weather.

>

> Cheers,

> Carol Riddell

> Edmonds

>

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> Message: 20

> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:55:44 -0700

> From: "Glenn" <glenn.hansen at usa.net>

> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

> To: "Brett Wolfe" <m_lincolnii at yahoo.com>, <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

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> Your solution is as brilliant as the behavior of the challenged dog owners that we are talking about. It proves that birders and dog owners have a full spectrum of personalities. Stinging eyes to me causes pain which I define as cruel and hurting the dog. Maybe the dog will learn from experience or maybe he will bite you due to the stinging you caused him?

>

>

>

> I never suggested you kick the dog, beat the crap out of the owner or cause a major scene. I do suggest you may end up in a major scene or getting the crap beat out of you or worse if you use your solution. You really think spraying a dog in the eyes with anything is a solution and not the creation of a whole series of problems to deal with? You actually believe the owner will be taught a lesson and thank you for your efforts after he has already demonstrated for you his level of respect for others?

>

> Sorry Brett I just don't follow your vigilante logic.

>

> Glenn Hansen

> glenn.hansen at usa.net

> Tacoma, Wa

>

> BTW: One of the best ways to prevent a dog from jumping up on you is to bend a leg and raise your knee up near waist level. Again this can be misinterpreted by a challenged dog owner as an overt aggressive act against their dog child and all hell could break out. Sometimes we just have to be big enough to see it is best to move on to someplace else as I will with this conversation.

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Brett Wolfe

> To: Glenn ; tweeters at u.washington.edu

> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 3:21 PM

> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

>

> Jeezus Glenn, relax. The worst that vinegar is going to do is smell bad, maybe sting in the eyes a little, but it ain't gonna hurt the dog. Maybe it will learn thru experience what it's idiot owner didn't teach it: don't jump on every Tom, Dick & Harry out there. It is far better to try something like that than pepper spray or anything like that. Birding is important enough to me to keep damn dogs from jumping on me, yes. Sometimes one does have to take the law into their own hands in order to protect oneself. Would you rather I kick the dog? Beat the crap outta the owner? Cause a major scene? Or spray a little vinegar in a dog's face and make it run back to it's idiot "parents"? I think most people would prefer the latter. So far, of all the posts from this thread, which I thought I would catch wholly heck for, you are definitely the most shrill. Guess their are more folks looking for positive solutions to this problem than we all thought.

>

> Brett A. Wolfe

> Seattle, WA

> m_lincolnii at yahoo.com

>

> Glenn <glenn.hansen at usa.net> wrote:

>

> So the dog owner is a idiot and you are going to make the dog suffer for it.

> Not only that before you pull the trigger on that squirt gun remember you

> are dealing with an idiot owner and the reaction you receive when he sees

> his dog in pain may be far worse than a wet pawed dirty shirt. Is birding so

> important to you you feel the need to act as ignorant as the ones you

> complain about. IOW taking the law into your own hands is usually a poor

> approach.

>

> Glenn Hansen

> glenn.hansen at usa.net

> Tacoma, Wa

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: "George B. Cobel"

> To: <>

> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 1:21 PM

> Subject: [Tweeters] RE: Dogs

>

> > Many, many years ago when I had a bicycle paper route, I cured several

> > aggressive dogs with a squirt gun filled with one part vinegar and ten

> parts

> > water.

> >

> > George B. Cobel

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> > Renton, WA

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