[Tweeters] Re: How many are wrong

patriciacsmith at comcast.net patriciacsmith at comcast.net
Wed Sep 19 12:37:53 PDT 2007


As one of the tweeters who is a complete amateur begging for help, I know what you mean, Marion.  People can be snarky.
 But I want to stand up for tweeters!  Overall I have received so much generous help and information from my occasional postings, for me the good guys far outweigh the jerks. (Though I understand your ratio has not been so felicitous. )  
I hope your rant will stimulate more good guy response to your postings!  This is such a wonderful resource.
Patricia

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>    1. Sandhill Cranes, Sequim (Clovis Ache)
>    2. How many are wrong? (Marian Murdoch)
>    3. Guanajuato, Mexico birding info? (squeakyfiddle at aol.com)
>    4. Grays Harbor Audubon field trip to Ocean Shores today
>       (Tim O'Brien)
>    5. WOS Conference Shorebirds (Kathy Andrich)
>    6. RFI: Costa Rica in July (Rachel)
>    7. Re: WOS Conference Shorebirds (Eugene and Nancy Hunn)
>    8. Three-toed Woodpeckers in N. Cascades on 8/18/07 and	9/14/07
>       (Daoud Miller)
>    9. Entiat Ridge (Bud E-mail)
>   10. Re: Scrub Jay at Ocean Shores (Hill)
>   11. Battle Ground Night Flight (Jim Danzenbaker)
>   12. Fir Tree Bird Bath (Penny Koyama)
>   13. Raven calls (Dawn Bailey)
>   14. Sunny 9/18 between Westport and Tokeland (Rebecca Laszlo)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:17:03 +0000
> From: Clovis Ache <clovisache at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Sandhill Cranes, Sequim
> To: "tweeters at u.washington.edu" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
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> Hi Tweets,
> There were 2 Sandhill Cranes in the field east of Kitchen-Dick Rd and south of 
> Old Olympic Hwy, today Sept 18, at 11:40am.  
>  
> Paulette
> in Sequim, WA 
> clovisache at hotmail dot com
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 16:37:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Marian Murdoch <marianmurdoch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] How many are wrong?
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
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> I've been a member of Tweeters for a while now and am
> finding myself just deleting the digest when it
> arrives instead of opening it. Why? Because of the
> amazing disparity of respect towards some members. I
> constantly try to document my sightings with pictures,
> so that I can know if I am wrong or not with my ID. So
> if I say this is a "pigeon-tailed nutcrusher" people
> can look at the photo and say, "no...it's such and
> such". However, there are plenty of members who report
> the same sighting, without pictures, and their word is
> taken as gospel. 
> 
> How many of those sightings are wrong? Do they get the
> "why don't you look in a field guide before posting"
> emails that I get? Do they get the four word "it's a
> green heron" emails I get when I post a photo with an
> incorrect ID? Sure, those people probably don't mean
> any harm by their emails, but emails like that are
> hardly educational. Granted, there are a few members
> who really are helpful and explain WHY my sighting is
> incorrect, but those are few and far between. What's
> the reason for my ranting here? Because I would hate
> to think that other members are feeling as I
> do...hesitant to post for fear of being wrong. But
> isn't that part of learning? Part of birdwatching? The
> discovery of new ideas, the constant education? And if
> someone IS afraid of posting, we may miss that rare
> bird that he/she DID see. I would rather help someone
> learn that a green heron can have a light colored
> bill, than to miss the possibility of seeing a least
> bittern just 5 miles from my home. Remember, NONE of
> us were born with a field guide in our head. I'd love
> to see more compassion, fewer knee-jerk response style
> emails. After all, this is supposed to be fun, right?
> Right?? 
> 
> Marian Murdoch
> Belfair, WA
> marianmurdoch at yahoo.com
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:32:08 -0400
> From: squeakyfiddle at aol.com
> Subject: [Tweeters] Guanajuato, Mexico birding info?
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Message-ID: <8C9C86BA5ACEA91-CA0-7326 at webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com>
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> Has anyone any info about birding in/around Guanajuato, Mexico? 
> 
> Off-list replies are fine.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Catherine Alexander
> Lakewood neighborhood
> South Seattle
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 18:21:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Tim O'Brien" <kertim7179 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Grays Harbor Audubon field trip to Ocean Shores
> 	today
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
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> Today, I led a Grays Harbor Audubon field trip to Ocean Shores today.  Our group 
> of 10 observers encountered a few highlights and one amazing weather phenomenom 
> today.  We started the day by meeting at the Ocean Shores Convention Center at 
> 7:45am and to our surprise we noticed a funnel cloud or possible water sput 
> coming for a very dark cloud to the south over the ocean waters.  I snapped a 
> few photos of this funnel cloud and it soon dissipated with another small one 
> forming and then disappearing quickly.  The funnel cloud was a lifer for me!  
> Luckily, no one was affected by this cloud.  
>    
>   Now to the birds...we covered Bill's Spit, the marina, the base of Damon 
> Point, the STP, and a small portion of the game range.  Here's the highlights:
>    
>   Game range: 1 Pectoral Sandpiper, 1 Sanderling, 1 Dowitcher spp., 3 Whimbrel 
> and 1 Pacific Golden-plover
>   Bill's Spit: 5 Black-bellied Plovers and about 40 Marbled Godwit (they flushed 
> as we tried to get close)
>   Damon Point: 1 Merlin, 1 Spotted Sandpiper and 2 Black Turnstones on the rocks 
> on the channel side, also one male Harlequin Duck, a Marbled Murrelet, and one 
> Clark's Grebe
>    
>   Also, we same one Blue-winged Teal in a small pond opposite the Lake Minard 
> water tank.  On the way home, a stop at the Hoquiam STP pond yielded an Eared 
> Grebe.  
>    
>   It was a good trip!
>    
>   Tim O'Brien
>   Elma, WA
>   mailto: kertim7179 at yahoo.com
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 20:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Kathy Andrich <chukarbird at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] WOS Conference Shorebirds
> To: tweet <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
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> 
> Hi Tweeters,
> 
> I saw an amazing total of 30 shorebird species at the
> WOS conference, location of notable/rare birds and a
> few footnotes:
> 
> Black-bellied Plover
> American Golden Plover (Ocean Shores Game Range,
>                         Tonquin entrance)
> Pacific Golden Plover (Game Range, Bottle Beach)
> Snowy Plover (Midway Beach)
> Semipalmated Plover
> Killdeer
> Black Oystercatcher (Pt Grenville)
> Greater Yellowlegs
> Lesser Yellowlegs (John's River Wildlife Area)
> Willet
> Wandering Tattler (Brown's Point Jetty, Westhaven 
>                    Jetty, Pt. Grenville)
> Spotted Sandpiper
> Whimbrel
> Long-billed Curlew
> Bar-tailed Godwit (Bottle Beach) (1)
> Marbled Godwit
> Ruddy Turnstone
> Black Turnstone
> Red Knot (Bottle Beach)
> Sanderling
> Western Sandpiper
> Least Sandpiper
> Baird's Sandpiper (Game Range-Tonquin, Midway Beach)
> Pectoral Sandpiper (Midway Beach)
> Dunlin
> Buff-breasted Sandpiper (Game Range-Tonquin,
>                          Midway Beach)
> Ruff (Game Range) (2)
> Short-billed Dowitcher
> Long-billed Dowitcher
> Wilson's Snipe (Ocean Shores Game Range)
> 
> 
> <><><><><><><><>
> 
> (1) I saw the Bar-tailed Godwit at the receding high
> tide last night.  It was also seen by many at the end
> of Westport Spit which is to the right of Float 21 at
> Westport-I don't think Westport faces due west so
> unsure of the compass direction.  You have to drive
> around the other side of the Coast Gaurd Facility and
> hike out.
> 
> (2)  Patrick Sullivan also saw a Ruff fly away from
> the small stream wetland area on the way into Bottle
> Beach on the Sunday trip that I went on.
> 
> It was a great conference.  The mammal highlight for
> two Pt. Grenville trips was beach bears.  The Friday
> trip saw 3 Black Bears on the beach below the point
> and the Saturday trip, which I was on, saw one.  Also
> Black Bear footprints were noted at Midway Beach
> yesterday.
> 
> Kathy
> Roosting in S. King County
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:08:32 -0700
> From: "Rachel" <RachelWL at msn.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] RFI: Costa Rica in July
> To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Message-ID: <001e01c7fa72$bee6f010$4400a8c0 at Rachel>
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> 
> I am considering signing up for a birding trip to Costa Rica for next
> July.  Most tour groups go to Costa Rica in February and March, but this
> trip originally was designed for school teachers who have summers off.
> Migrants from North America will be absent at that season, but I'm not
> sure what other trade-offs there are.  Does anyone have opinions about
> the advantages and disadvantages of going to Costa Rica in July?
>  
> Please reply off-list.
>  
> Thanks,
> Rachel Lawson
> Seattle
> RachelWL at msn.com
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:25:57 -0700
> From: "Eugene and Nancy Hunn" <enhunn323 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] WOS Conference Shorebirds
> To: "Kathy Andrich" <chukarbird at yahoo.com>, "tweet"
> 	<tweeters at u.washington.edu>
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> Kathy,
> 
> We also saw Red-necked Phalaropes on the boat trip.
> 
> Gene Hunn.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kathy Andrich" <chukarbird at yahoo.com>
> To: "tweet" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 8:16 PM
> Subject: [Tweeters] WOS Conference Shorebirds
> 
> 
> >
> > Hi Tweeters,
> >
> > I saw an amazing total of 30 shorebird species at the
> > WOS conference, location of notable/rare birds and a
> > few footnotes:
> >
> > Black-bellied Plover
> > American Golden Plover (Ocean Shores Game Range,
> >                        Tonquin entrance)
> > Pacific Golden Plover (Game Range, Bottle Beach)
> > Snowy Plover (Midway Beach)
> > Semipalmated Plover
> > Killdeer
> > Black Oystercatcher (Pt Grenville)
> > Greater Yellowlegs
> > Lesser Yellowlegs (John's River Wildlife Area)
> > Willet
> > Wandering Tattler (Brown's Point Jetty, Westhaven
> >                   Jetty, Pt. Grenville)
> > Spotted Sandpiper
> > Whimbrel
> > Long-billed Curlew
> > Bar-tailed Godwit (Bottle Beach) (1)
> > Marbled Godwit
> > Ruddy Turnstone
> > Black Turnstone
> > Red Knot (Bottle Beach)
> > Sanderling
> > Western Sandpiper
> > Least Sandpiper
> > Baird's Sandpiper (Game Range-Tonquin, Midway Beach)
> > Pectoral Sandpiper (Midway Beach)
> > Dunlin
> > Buff-breasted Sandpiper (Game Range-Tonquin,
> >                         Midway Beach)
> > Ruff (Game Range) (2)
> > Short-billed Dowitcher
> > Long-billed Dowitcher
> > Wilson's Snipe (Ocean Shores Game Range)
> >
> >
> > <><><><><><><><>
> >
> > (1) I saw the Bar-tailed Godwit at the receding high
> > tide last night.  It was also seen by many at the end
> > of Westport Spit which is to the right of Float 21 at
> > Westport-I don't think Westport faces due west so
> > unsure of the compass direction.  You have to drive
> > around the other side of the Coast Gaurd Facility and
> > hike out.
> >
> > (2)  Patrick Sullivan also saw a Ruff fly away from
> > the small stream wetland area on the way into Bottle
> > Beach on the Sunday trip that I went on.
> >
> > It was a great conference.  The mammal highlight for
> > two Pt. Grenville trips was beach bears.  The Friday
> > trip saw 3 Black Bears on the beach below the point
> > and the Saturday trip, which I was on, saw one.  Also
> > Black Bear footprints were noted at Midway Beach
> > yesterday.
> >
> > Kathy
> > Roosting in S. King County
> >
> >
> > 
> > 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:45:05 -0700
> From: Daoud Miller <Daoud_Miller at comcast.net>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Three-toed Woodpeckers in N. Cascades on 8/18/07
> 	and	9/14/07
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
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> My wife and I observed Three-toed Woodpeckers in the same place on both 
> Aug. 18 and Sept. 14:  Thunder Knob Trail out of the north Colonial 
> Creek Campground on Hwy. 20 in the N. Cascades Nat'l Recreation Area, 
> near the top/end of the trail as it first plateaus out, just before the 
> small tarn (now nearly dry), a short ways before trail's end at the top 
> of Thunder Knob.
> 
> On Aug. 18, there were 2-3 different males:  the first before the 
> little lake and the second at the lake had distinctly different head 
> markings.  Two more birds were sighted after the lake, but not clearly 
> enough to positively distinguish them from the earlier 2 birds.
> 
> On Sept. 14, the one sighted male was in the same location as the first 
> bird seen on Aug. 18.  At the little lake, we then observed a 
> Red-breasted/Red-naped hybrid Sapsucker.
> 
> Later that morning, off the trail and down in the south campground 
> entry parking lot, I again watched for awhile another 
> Red-breasted/Red-naped hybrid.  With the Pileated and the N. Flicker in 
> the campground, we were happy to have had a 4-woodpecker day!
> 
> Daoud Miller
> Seattle, WA
> Daoud_Miller at comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 22:25:47 -0700
> From: "Bud E-mail" <bud at frg.org>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Entiat Ridge
> To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Message-ID: <00ea01c7fa7d$89885de0$56887118 at MADENS>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Hi Tweeters,
>    My apologies but I will not be able to lead a field trip up to the ridge this 
> fall. Sorry about that but I am a bit busy right now.
> However, for all of you hawksters, if you haven't seen our new website at 
> www.frg.org, you might want to check it out. 
>   The Entiat team is now providing daily reports to Sue Hindman who, in turn, is 
> posting them on our Entiat blog. I think that this daily posting from an active 
> hawk banding station is a first unless I am mistaken. 
>    Most days have a nice picture or two of a hawk banded that day. Last week 
> they caught our third Golden Eagle in over 6 years of banding there. They also 
> just passed the 200 mark. 
>    Really good group of people working hard at what they love.
>  
> Bud Anderson
> Falcon Research Group
> Box 248
> Bow, WA 98232
> (360) 757-1911
> bud at frg.org
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:09:36 -0700
> From: "Hill" <hill at smwireless.net>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Re: Scrub Jay at Ocean Shores
> To: "Scott Downes" <downess at charter.net>, <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Message-ID: <017801c7fa83$a808b070$6400a8c0 at Hill>
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> 
> This morning Ron Friesz and I had one in Aberdeen, two in Hoquiam, one 
> calling on Brady Loop Road, and more toward Centralia.
> 
> Randy Hill
> Othello
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Downes" <downess at charter.net>
> To: <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2007 8:44 PM
> Subject: [Tweeters] Palm Warbler and Scrub Jay at Ocean Shores
> 
> 
> Shortly after this a SCRUB JAY
> > came in from the east, perched atop a spruce briefly calling and then flew
> > on to the east towards the jetty. I don't know the current status of Scrub
> > Jay in Ocean Shores but haven't personally seen one west of Aberdeen 
> > myself.
> > Rain hit about 8:30 and left a soggy day. I hope all of the field trips
> > today went well.
> >
> > Scott Downes
> > downess at charter.net
> > Yakima WA
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 08:19:44 -0700
> From: "Jim Danzenbaker" <jdanzenbaker at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Battle Ground Night Flight
> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Tweeters,
> 
> My thrush monitoring has gotten pretty sketchy of late due to lack of sleep
> and being out of town but here's another update on Swainson's Thrush
> migration over my yard in Battle Ground, Clark County, WA.
> 
> This morning between 5:40-6:15, there were about 1-1.5 birds per minute.
> Previous mornings have had similar numbers.  There's been a steady flow of
> non-Swainson's Thrush activity as well.  Yellow Warbler seems to be the
> dominant species followed by a mixture of mostly unidentified Sparrows.  I
> am now getting some zonotrichia sparrows flying over evidenced by one
> immature White-crowned Sparrow that spent yesterday gorging itself on seed
> on the back deck.  A Spotted Sandpiper also flew over (3rd one this year). A
> pleasant surprise yesterday was a Hermit Thrush in the yard which was a
> brand new yard bird and several American Pipits flying over this morning for
> a new year yard bird.
> 
> On Monday morning at Westport before the WOS pelagic trip, there was a very
> healthy passerine migration happening with many Swainson's Thrushes, Yellow
> Warblers and lots of sparrows flying over between 4:15 and 6:00 am.  It was
> interesting to hear a Black Turnstone fly over in the midst of the
> Swainson's Thrushes!
> 
> Keep your ears skyward.
> 
> Jim
> 
> -- 
> Jim Danzenbaker
> Battle Ground, WA
> 360-723-0345
> jdanzenbaker at gmail.com
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:37:51 -0700
> From: "Penny Koyama" <plkoyama at verizon.net>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Fir Tree Bird Bath
> To: "Tweeters" <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
> Message-ID: <006a01c7fadb$6c2e8b80$2f01a8c0 at Koyama>
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> Tweets,
> 
> I am sitting at the computer watching something I have not previously noted.  
> The sun has just come out, but the trees are still full of water drops from 
> morning rain.  There are about 5 chickadees and a Bewick's Wren literally 
> bathing in one of the fir trees.  The whole tree is shaking and the water drops 
> are falling off as the birds twist, turn, and fluff.  Quite a charming sight!
> 
> Penny Koyama, Bothell
> plkoyama at verizon.net 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 09:49:02 -0700
> From: "Dawn Bailey" <dawnsdog at rainierconnect.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Raven calls
> To: "'Tweeters \(E-mail\)'" <TWEETERS at u.washington.edu>
> Message-ID: <001b01c7fadc$fbf86e60$6801a8c0 at dawnstoy>
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> Hi Tweets,
> 
> This probably won't be new to some of you but it is to me and I thought I would 
> share, for what it is worth.
> 
> I started seeing Ravens about 3 years ago, and at the beginning of last summer I 
> realized that I could tell what they were doing by the number or calls I heard.  
> This is just my observations of three different types of calls. 
> 
> This is just an explanation of the amount of calls in a short time, not the 
> different sounds of the calls which could mean something else entirely.
> This is also just the observations of flying birds, not roosting, nesting, or 
> eating.
> 
> one call is usually a destination type call, one bird will give a single call, 
> this can be in a flock or singly. The Raven or Ravens are traveling in a 
> straight line, going somewhere.  About 4 or 5 seconds or 4 - 5 wing-beats, 
> between the call.
> 
> Two calls heard - can between two or more birds, Ravens will be flying in group 
> of two or more usually circling to get higher,  or tumbling in flight. They will 
> call and talk back and forth, making knocking noises with added vocalizations.
> 
> 3 calls and sometimes a 3 - 4 - 3 sequence made in a row, this call means 
> raptors are in the area, even small Sharp Shinned hawks will get this alert. 
> They may only call the alert a few times and then escort the raptor out of the 
> area. The amount of alert calls seems to have a direct correlation to nesting. I 
> will hear more alert calls in the spring then the fall, though in the fall I 
> have many raptors catching thermals and gliding south.
> Also they will give the 3 call when alerting to Turkey Vultures. I have also 
> heard crows call 3 times as well when they alert on a raptor. Ravens like to 
> escort the raptor from the area and will climb the thermals with the raptor or 
> TV in the fall tailing them as they glide away. And then coming back to their 
> territory.
> 
> Ravens make so many calls, they talk to each other differently, when they talk 
> to their young and partners. 
> They are incredibly smart animals.
> 
> I have just started to learn the difference of the sound of the calls, but I 
> won't go into that here. I hope you will notice what the birds are doing and add 
> to my list of Raven calls.
> 
> 
> 
> Dawn Bailey
> Eatonville, WA
> dawnsdog at rainierconnect.com
> 
> 
> "The worlds not changed.....there's just less in it"
> Terry Rossio and Ted Elliott
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> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:50:11 -0700
> From: Rebecca Laszlo <Rebecca.Laszlo at microsoft.com>
> Subject: [Tweeters] Sunny 9/18 between Westport and Tokeland
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> Cc: Rebecca Laszlo <Rebecca.Laszlo at microsoft.com>
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> Sara and I were out biking the cranberry bog route between Grayland and Tokeland 
> yesterday. It was a sunny afternoon, with only a mild wind. They have begun 
> harvesting the cranberries, by the way. Afterwards, with a spotting scope, we 
> went to Bottle Beach (Westport) at around 5:30 PM at fairly high tide. We saw:
> * Easily a thousand, maybe more, marbled GODWITS at the Tokeland pier, on the 
> shoreline in roughly 3 flocks
> * 8 WILLETS in marsh at Bottle Beach
> * 1 SPOTTED SANDPIPER near the willets - what a great wagtail bobbing action - 
> it was absolutely constant!
> * 2 birds on bottle beach that seemed to be either ruddy tunstones ??? or maybe 
> a small plover like snowy plover ??? got a good look in the scope, one seemed 
> female with clear light gray markings, the other may be juvenile or at least in 
> intermediate plumage with spotted belly and lots of mottle swirls around the 
> face that seemed to suggest the turnstone. Any ideas? gray legs, short black 
> beak, black eyes, the female decidedly of very light gray above (not brown) with 
> clear white belly. The other with lots of black spots and unclear markings. They 
> didn't fly or even move much. I digiscoped a photo which I could show next 
> Monday if anyone willing to correspond with me in email (I am using a public PC 
> in Ocean Shores Community Club now, unable to download photos).
> 
> Rebecca Laszlo
> rebecca.laszlo at microsoft.com
> Seattle WA
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