[Tweeters] Owls, Malheur, Birders and the American Flag

Paul Baerny pbaerny at gmail.com
Tue Jan 19 20:05:52 PST 2016

It would be a shame to lose a birder like Micheal Charest to tweeters
because of the ethics poliçe. I've found his posts very informative. The
few times that I have come across him birding have always been enjoyable
and insightful.
For me, the great thing about being a lister is the people I meet and
places I see along the way. I think I read once that it not about the
number of birds you see, but the journey.
Also, if I remember right? The Long-eared Owl found dead last year near
Port Susan was not one of the pair from Eide Rd. It was determined to be a
immature Owl that died from malnutrition. Apparently it is quite common for
young raptors to not survive their first winter. But I wouldn't want the
facts to get in way of a good story!
Paul Baerny
Kent Wa.
On Jan 19, 2016 9:14 AM, "Mike Charest" <mcharest at wamail.net> wrote:

> Because people like this have taken over tweeters, I will be unsubscribing.


> Tweeters has become less and less useful over the years, there are much

> better ways to get the information I need to persue the hobby that I enjoy

> without having to sift through the holier than thou rants from the ethics

> police. I used to love to read reports from others who like birding and

> being outside as much as I do, I loved reports from areas that I had never

> visited, pulling up maps and exploring new spots, it was great fun. Now I

> see barely any actual birding reports and it has become like the comments

> section on yahoo.


> I have better things to do than judge others on how they persue their

> hobbies.


> I will be out disturbing birds with my binoculars on my lunch break

> today, and perhaps even really disturbing them with my camera after work

> today. I will continue to do so.


> Bite me,


> Michael Charest

> Tacoma, Washington

> Mcharest at wamail.net




> Sent from my phone. Please ignore bad or non-existent punctuation, bad

> grammar, and spelling errors.



> -------- Original message --------

> From: Mickey Pilatti <mickeypilatticb at gmail.com>

> Date: 01/18/2016 10:08 PM (GMT-08:00)

> To: tweeters at u.washington.edu

> Subject: [Tweeters] Owls, Malheur, Birders and the American Flag


> First it’s a tragic loss that the Hawk Owl was killed. If the landowner

> did it, hopefully he will be prosecuted. Good comments from JoAnn Andrews,

> Roger Moyer, Jason Hernandez, Bob Pearson, Barbara Deihl etc


> Reality is there is a possibility that the birding community could have

> “contributed” to irritation by the land owner and that led to the bird

> being killed. This isn’t the first time that rare birds in the owl and

> raptor categories have been affected by birders. There was the Caracara and

> the landowner there and that bird disappearing (but hopefully safely).

> There was the Long-eared Owl found dead after being overwhelmed by birders

> (perhaps stress contributed to that death, who knows, but maybe it would

> have survived with less impacts). There was a Burrowing Owl surrounded by

> birders in Everett I believe. There were all the incidents of birders and

> photographers getting to close to the Snowy Owls at Boundary Bay and I

> think Ocean Shores too.


> Why – often to get a bird on their damn list. Why – often to get some

> closer or different angle picture. Yeah a person has a right to view and

> photograph a bird on a public road (I saw the American flag waving from

> those comments).


> Tweeters is good to share reports of birds, but is it the best for all

> birds and all cases? Cases that come to mind are when there are issues with

> landowners and the safety of the bird and birders could be jeopardized and

> when birds are on private land and the landowner doesn’t want the public to

> access that land. As we all know, Owls are disappearing and are a sensitive

> species – maybe Owls shouldn’t be “advertised” based on numerous incidents

> that have adversely affected them. The same is true with some rare raptors

> and of course with other birds active in nesting.


> For some reason, there is this need to get birds on these meaningless

> lists, like the lists have some super value. No one cares about your list,

> probably not even those people important in your life. When you’re gone,

> all your list will be is paper to recycle. It’s good to enjoy birds and

> birding but no one really cares if it’s the Xth bird on your list. My point

> is there are some birders that will do anything to get a new bird on their

> list. Maybe some sensitive birds shouldn’t have their exact location

> spelled out. If it has to be on a list, maybe it should just be listed for

> the entire county.


> Then there is the thing that for some reason birders have to announce it

> to the world that they have seen this rare sensitive bird. Maybe some bird

> reports of sensitive birds should just be kept quiet. But some birders seem

> to have to report no matter what whether it is for self-glory or to return

> the favor to a fellow bird buddy. For me some of the most rewarding birds I

> have seen are the ones I find myself. Anyone can chase birds and it doesn’t

> take a lot of skills to see a bird already found (yeah sometimes you have

> to refind them)


> On comment about how long birders hung around. I don’t believe the poster

> meant specifically an individual birder, but perhaps the accumulative time

> of multiple birders perhaps impacting the bird or irritating the landowner.

> If the first birder would have just kept the bird to himself, maybe it

> would have survived.


> As far as the comments on blame and shame, maybe there is some. We don’t

> really know for sure, but Im willing to bet the birding community has

> created at least some negative impacts on some birds in some cases just so

> that someone can get it on their damn list or a photo. Even if you have a

> high number of birds seen on a list, there are many birders way better than

> you. Even though you have a good photo, there are thousands of photos

> already of most species. What matters is what a person does for the current

> survival and future survival of our birds. They are the true birders –

> others are just listers and photographers. If all we have are lists and

> photos and our grandkids get to see primarily house sparrows, starlings and

> Eurasian collared Doves.


> If a landowner is irrational or a threat to bird or doesn’t want you there

> – maybe its better to stop going there, stop reporting it and change the

> location in reports


> Was there trespass? Did people still take pictures? Did someone say

> something to the landowner that irritated him? Who knows, perhaps,

> possibly, maybe/maybe not, but some birders aren’t always the supreme nice

> beings that some posts seem to think they are


> On the comment about that we are civilized, well yes and no, if we were so

> civilized the birds wouldn’t be disappearing and planet environment being

> destroyed


> On the comment about that there shouldn’t be comments on the Malheur.

> Wildlife refuges are some of the gems of remaining bird habitat, without

> them things like tweeters will eventually disappear as well as our birds


> My point and my opinion is birds first, lists and photos are secondary and

> maybe the reporting of some rare sensitive species need to be reduced,

> maybe its better to just try to find a rare bird yourself. But I doubt this

> will happen, too many are on a self power trip of birding and Im betting

> there will be another future report in tweeters about some other demise of

> another sensitive specie. Just my opinion and Im guessing many disagree


> Mickey Pilatti

> Olympia WA


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