[Tweeters] Unknown Hawk

[Jeff Gilligan]

the immature Red-shouldered Hawk  in this link has no apparent yellow on the cere.  https://bigyear.reporternews.com/2019/08/10/red-shouldered-hawk/ <https://bigyear.reporternews.com/2019/08/10/red-shouldered-hawk/>










> On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:44 PM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Well…this one has very little if any yellow on the cere.   https://www.pinterest.com/pin/541839398893976983/ <https://www.pinterest.com/pin/541839398893976983/>

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>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:41 PM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com <mailto:jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com>> wrote:

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>> You are probably on to something regarding the cere.   In my quick looks on-line, I don’t see any Red-shouldered Hawks without yellow on the cere either.  Maybe there will be other photos of the bird.

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>> Jeff

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>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 9:37 PM, Peggy Mundy <peggy_busby at yahoo.com <mailto:peggy_busby at yahoo.com>> wrote:

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>>> The OP bird doesn't show any yellow on the beak (cere, if I were talking parakeets), which red-shouldered hawks seem to have, even in immature birds from photos I'm seeing online.

>>> I'm still leaning toward red-tailed hawk -- our most common Buteo (and quite diverse in its appearance).

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>>> Peggy Mundy

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>>> On Friday, March 11, 2022, 08:22:04 p.m. PST, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com <mailto:jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com>> wrote:

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>>> https://pixels.com/featured/5-red-shouldered-hawk-david-campione.html <https://pixels.com/featured/5-red-shouldered-hawk-david-campione.html>

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>>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Zora Monster <zoramon at mac.com <mailto:zoramon at mac.com>> wrote:

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>>> The banding on the tail seems to narrow for a red-shouldered, and the length of the tail doesn’t seem long enough to me.  I believe this is a juvenile dark-morph red-tailed hawk.

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>>> Respectfully,

>>> Zora Dermer

>>> Seattle

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>>> Sent from my iPhone

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>>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:15 PM, Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com <mailto:jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com>> wrote:

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>>> The Audubon map is far out of date.  I remember from the 1960s while birding with Harry Nehls and a friend that we walked up on a very approachable immature Red-shouldered Hawk on Sauvie’s Island (in the Columbia River). About that time it was questioned  if the Oregon birds had been escapees from captivity.  (That happens a lot until it is realized that a species is getting or got to a location on its own.).   We were stunned because other than a few sightngs on the far southern Oregon Coast (Curry County), the species had not been reported in Oregon since the 1800s near Burns by Bendire.    Now of course they are very common in southern Oregon, particularly on the coast, and have been regular in NW Oregon and far SW Washington for years.  I have seen several in Pacific County, WA, but they are more numerous on the Oregon side of the river.  I am still hoping for a Red-shouldered Hawk on my yard list at Willapa Bay.  I only have seen two buteos in the yard, oddly one being a adult Broad-winged Hawk.    I am guessing that the Fir Island bird was quite approachable, which Red-shouldered Hawks are often, whereas Red-tailed Hawks always seem wary to me.

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>>> Jeff

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>>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 8:01 PM, THOMAS BENEDICT <benedict.t at comcast.net <mailto:benedict.t at comcast.net>> wrote:

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>>> I think Jeff may be correct. Look at this photo at audubon.org <http://audubon.org/> https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/red-shouldered-hawk#photo5 <https://www.audubon.org/field-guide/bird/red-shouldered-hawk#photo5>

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>>> Tom Benedict

>>> Seahurst, WA

>>>> On 03/11/2022 6:53 PM Jeff Gilligan <jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com <mailto:jeffgilligan10 at gmail.com>> wrote:

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>>>> immature Red-shouldered Hawk

>>>>> On Mar 11, 2022, at 7:48 PM, THOMAS BENEDICT <benedict.t at comcast.net <mailto:benedict.t at comcast.net>> wrote:

>>>>> It's hard to tell size from the photo. Do you think it was Sharp-shinned hawk size or more like Red-tail Hawk size? Did you happen to see it fly? A description of its underside and front would be helpful.

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>>>>> Tom Benedict

>>>>> Seahurst, WA

>>>>>> On 03/11/2022 6:27 PM BURT CUNNINGHAM <burtc_8 at msn.com <mailto:burtc_8 at msn.com>> wrote:

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>>>>>> Hello,

>>>>>> My wife and I went for a ride around Fir Island and got a picture of this Hawk.  https://flic.kr/p/2n82Wbg <https://flic.kr/p/2n82Wbg>

>>>>>> We were not able to decide what it was. Please help.

>>>>>> Thanks

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