From meetings at wos.org Wed Nov 1 08:01:57 2023 From: meetings at wos.org (meetings@wos.org) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?REMINDER=3A_WOS_Monthly_Meeting=2C_November_?= =?utf-8?q?6=2C_2023?= Message-ID: <20231101150157.26302.qmail@s401.sureserver.com> The Washington Ornithological Society (WOS) is pleased to announce our next Monthly Meeting. On Monday Nov 6, our speaker will be Madilyn Odiorne, a graduate of Eastern Washington University. Madilyn has been investigating the decline in prairies and other grassland ecosystems, as it impacts the abundance and diversity of birds inhabiting those grasslands. In particular, she has focused on comparing sites in the Palouse region of our state in her research. This meeting will be conducted virtually, via Zoom (no in-person attendance). Sign-in will begin at 7:15 pm, and the meeting commences at 7:30 pm. Please go to the WOS Monthly Meetings page https://wos.org/monthly-meetings/ for instructions on participation and to get the Zoom link. When joining the meeting, we ask that you mute your device and make certain that your camera is turned off. This meeting is open to all as WOS invites everyone in the wider birding community to attend. Thanks to the generosity of our presenters, recordings of past programs are available at the following link to the WOS YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/@washingtonornithologicalso7839/videos If you are not yet a member of WOS, we hope you will consider becoming one at https://wos.org Please join us! Elaine Chuang WOS Program Support From magicman32 at rocketmail.com Wed Nov 1 14:17:21 2023 From: magicman32 at rocketmail.com (Eric Heisey) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Hot Brambling Winter References: Message-ID: Hi all, Following an incredible winter/spring 2022-23 season for Brambling in the state of Washington with at least eight(!!!) individuals statewide, it is looking like this could be another excellent winter for this rare Asian wanderer. There have already been two reports in Alberta, one in Montana, and most recently an individual in NW California in the past couple of weeks. Keep an eye out at your feeders and in your local Junco flocks! Good birding, Eric Heisey From florafaunabooks at hotmail.com Wed Nov 1 14:20:47 2023 From: florafaunabooks at hotmail.com (David Hutchinson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Birds of North America Message-ID: Hi all, have a book question. Over the years I have acquired or received a bunch of sets, in 18 volumes, of the Birds of North America with its wonderful text. Some I have sold, or traded. I have seen it on the internet with colleagues for $3000 or so. It seems to me that market has long gone. Have had a bunch of sets over the years and am always happy too sell one for a moderate price or in trade. Have three sets now taking up space I could be using for photo albums or whatever. So if you could kindly recommend to me any college, school, society or institution of a birdy kind of mind and needing a set I would behappy to hear about it. Thanks a lot, David Hutchinson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We returned the next day to pay our launch fee and noticed the poor thing dead on the rocks. My wife and daughter were very upset to see it, perhaps it was just too far from a good food source. On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 12:06 PM, <[tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu](mailto:On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 12:06 PM, < wrote: > Send Tweeters mailing list submissions to > tweeters@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tweeters-owner@mailman11.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tweeters digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FOS Varied Thrush (Jay E) > 2. Was hoping for a Bunting (Larry Schwitters) > 3. 1st-known 'highly pathogenic' bird flu cases in Antarctic > could threaten penguins | Live Science (Dan Reiff) > 4. REMINDER: WOS Monthly Meeting, November 6, 2023 (meetings@wos.org) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 12:26:21 -0700 > From: Jay E > To: tweeters@u.washington.edu > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] FOS Varied Thrush > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I was on a walk last week here in Bellingham and there were about six > Varied Thrushes on the trail. I was lucky enough to capture an image - it > was pretty low light and at a distance. > > https://ebird.org/checklist/S153115621 > > Jay Eisenberg > Bellingham, WA > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 12:44:46 -0700 > From: Larry Schwitters > To: TWEETERS tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] Was hoping for a Bunting > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > White Pelican off the point at Issaquah Lake Sammamish State Park. Knew that wasn?t a Bunting but what about that sparrow thing on the main beach near the dozen gulls. Not like any sparrow normally seen around King County. Very tame. Got to within 15 feet and didn?t spook it. Was still there when we left 20 minutes ago. > > Not a Bunting. > > 90% sure it?s a Clay-colored. > > Larry Schwitters > Issaquah > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:30:23 -0700 > From: Dan Reiff > To: Tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] 1st-known 'highly pathogenic' bird flu cases in > Antarctic could threaten penguins | Live Science > Message-ID: <2B4B0405-3EA6-4099-BD5E-36C61A1DEE38@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > https://www.livescience.com/animals/birds/1st-known-highly-pathogenic-bird-flu-cases-in-antarctic-could-threaten-penguins > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2023 08:01:57 -0700 > From: > To: Tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] REMINDER: WOS Monthly Meeting, November 6, 2023 > Message-ID: <20231101150157.26302.qmail@s401.sureserver.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The Washington Ornithological Society (WOS) is pleased to announce our next Monthly Meeting. On Monday Nov 6, our speaker will be Madilyn Odiorne, a graduate of Eastern Washington University. Madilyn has been investigating the decline in prairies and other grassland ecosystems, as it impacts the abundance and diversity of birds inhabiting those grasslands. In particular, she has focused on comparing sites in the Palouse region of our state in her research. > > This meeting will be conducted virtually, via Zoom (no in-person attendance). Sign-in will begin at 7:15 pm, and the meeting commences at 7:30 pm. Please go to the WOS Monthly Meetings page https://wos.org/monthly-meetings/ for instructions on participation and to get the Zoom link. > > When joining the meeting, we ask that you mute your device and make certain that your camera is turned off. > > This meeting is open to all as WOS invites everyone in the wider birding community to attend. Thanks to the generosity of our presenters, recordings of past programs are available at the following link to the WOS YouTube Channel > https://www.youtube.com/@washingtonornithologicalso7839/videos > > If you are not yet a member of WOS, we hope you will consider becoming one at https://wos.org > > Please join us! > > Elaine Chuang > WOS Program Support > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@mailman11.u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tweeters Digest, Vol 231, Issue 1 > **************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's. . . hard to explain without context, but I hope it's a good read: https://southwestwashingtonbirding.blogspot.com/2023/11/october-29th-november-trip-day-one.html https://southwestwashingtonbirding.blogspot.com/2023/11/october-30th-november-trip-day-two.html https://southwestwashingtonbirding.blogspot.com/2023/11/october-31st-november-trip-day-3.html The page with the running tally has also been updated fully - it had fallen behind a wee bit. Barring some good timing on a fun chasable bird, I think the next (and final) trip for the year will be for Christmas Bird Counts in December. Cheers! Tim Brennan, Renton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From birdmarymoor at frontier.com Thu Nov 2 14:42:57 2023 From: birdmarymoor at frontier.com (birdmarymoor) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park (Redmond, King Co.) 2023-11-02 References: <767155663.1375448.1698961377371.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <767155663.1375448.1698961377371@mail.yahoo.com> Tweets - The weather was pretty crappy today; dark and rainy until we got to the East Meadow when it cleared up a little but it became quite windy.? Mostly, the morning was an exercise in futility.? But at least it wasn't cold. Highlights: ? ? Cackling Goose - 1500-2000, with many of them landing in the park ? ? Wood Duck - Seven in close to the Lake Platform; our only other duck species besides Mallard ? ? Merlin - One flew over the East Meadow in the brief moment between the rain and the wind ? ? Only 1 Finch - A single House Finch at the Pea Patch ! ? ? Lincoln's Sparrow - One at the Pea Patch.? We hadn't had one since early September ? ? WESTERN MEADOWLARK - Two north of the road, north of the Viewing Mound.? First of Fall (FOF) Yesterday afternoon, I went chasing the LESSER GOLDFINCH and AMERICAN TREE SPARROW that John Puschock had in the Pea Patch.? No luck for me yesterday, but I did have NORTHERN SHRIKE NE of the Viewing Mound (FOF) and WHITE-THROATED SPARROW at the SW corner of the Pea Patch (FOF).? No luck on any of those birds today. Species notably missed both days include Gadwall, Bufflehead, Western Grebe, Short-billed Gull, Downy Woodpecker, Bushtit, Cedar Waxwing, Purple Finch, Pine Siskin, and Red-winged Blackbird.? For the day, 45 species. = Michael Hobbs = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm From kenbrownpls at comcast.net Thu Nov 2 15:22:04 2023 From: kenbrownpls at comcast.net (Kenneth Brown) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Wednesday at Nisqually. Message-ID: <1997880493.706509.1698963725101@connect.xfinity.com> Another cool fall day began at the Visitor's Center deck. The "pond" is now more of a damp field, with narrow channels holding water. Deer were browsing the vegetation casually in the center. It was mostly bird-free, other than a couple of Mallards in one channel. 16 people started out but grew to 24 during the day. We followed the usual circuit. All the usual suspects, but again this week we missed the Red-shouldered Hawk and Northern Shrike. A couple not associated with our group purported to have seen a Great Egret, but we were unable to locate it. Lots of ducks, still a variety of shore birds but no grebes today. The little extra jolts of joy were provided by two separate sightings of bright Townsend's Warblers, and at the end of the day, back at the Visitor's Center, the mink did a short tour of the dry pond before entering what must be his den closely followed (in time) by a Barred owl that landed out in the open 10 yards from us, giving us long looks from three different perches. The total tally follows: Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually NWR, Thurston, Washington, US Nov 1, 2023 8:00 AM - 4:16 PM Protocol: Traveling 6.1 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. Overcast with a bit of drizzle, calm and 45-53? F. There was a +14.2-foot high tide at 9:42 a.m., ebbing to a +7.8-foot low water at 3:19 p.m. Mammals seen included mink, Columbian Black-tailed deer, Eastern Grey Squirrels, Townsend's Chipmunk and Harbor Seals. 66 species (+7 other taxa) Cackling Goose (minima) 2400 Canada Goose 2 Northern Shoveler 15 Gadwall 60 Eurasian Wigeon 1 American Wigeon 800 Mallard 120 Northern Pintail 875 Green-winged Teal 1500 Surf Scoter 15 White-winged Scoter 1 Surf/Black Scoter 40 Bufflehead 75 Common Goldeneye 2 Hooded Merganser 4 Anna's Hummingbird 1 Killdeer 1 Long-billed Dowitcher 43 Short-billed/Long-billed Dowitcher 2 Wilson's Snipe 1 Greater Yellowlegs 20 Dunlin 50 Least Sandpiper 30 Western Sandpiper 5 Short-billed Gull 35 Ring-billed Gull 150 Glaucous-winged Gull 2 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 6 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 7 Larus sp. 100 Common Loon 5 Brandt's Cormorant 1 Double-crested Cormorant 30 American Bittern 1 Great Blue Heron 10 Northern Harrier 3 Bald Eagle 5 Red-tailed Hawk 1 Red-tailed Hawk (calurus/alascensis) 1 Barred Owl 1 Belted Kingfisher 2 Downy Woodpecker (Pacific) 3 Northern Flicker 2 Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 3 American Kestrel 1 Peregrine Falcon 1 American Crow 190 Common Raven 5 Black-capped Chickadee 45 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 15 Bushtit 50 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 15 Golden-crowned Kinglet 25 Brown Creeper 5 Pacific Wren 5 Marsh Wren 12 Bewick's Wren 5 European Starling 350 Varied Thrush 5 American Robin 28 House Finch 4 Pine Siskin 75 Fox Sparrow (Sooty) 5 Dark-eyed Junco (Oregon) 2 Golden-crowned Sparrow 17 White-throated Sparrow 2 Song Sparrow 35 Lincoln's Sparrow 2 Spotted Towhee (oregonus Group) 9 Red-winged Blackbird 5 Orange-crowned Warbler 2 Yellow-rumped Warbler 2 Townsend's Warbler 2 View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S153604562 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Where are some of the best places to look for these feathered friends? - It's only $10 to attend and you can?sign up?here - If you can't make this specific time, you can still register and receive a recording of the class to watch on your own time. - Skagit Valley Winter Birding (In-person Field Excursion) - Saturday, December 2 from 8:30 AM to 4:00 PM - Join local birdwatching extraordinaire Libby Mills for a informative and educational field excursion to the Skagit Valley. Survey the area?s profound bird life, with a focus on raptors, wintering waterfowl, upland, and shorebirds, as well as the relationships that bring these various species together in this particular place. By the end of the day, you?ll have gained strategies for identifying local birds so you can continue to explore the Skagit?s wild bounty on your own time. - The program is $125 to attend and you can?sign up here - Information about scholarships and discounts can be found?here - There are many other programs that you all might enjoy including classes focusing on art and geology. Learn more:?ncascades.org/signup/programs - And we will be launching our 2024 classes very soon, so please consider signing up for our monthly?eNewsletter Field Notes?to be the first to learn when new programs are announced and open for registration. Cheers, Kim Nelson | | Virus-free.www.avast.com | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ednewbold1 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 2 21:11:53 2023 From: ednewbold1 at yahoo.com (Ed Newbold) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] "smooth back makes it a Fox Sparrow" fails us as Red Taiga pays a visit References: <91836505.2156056.1698984713843.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91836505.2156056.1698984713843@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, Delia and I were befuddled by a Sparrow at Butyl Creek today. We both were operating under the useful-yet-completely-misleading mantra "smooth back makes it a Fox Sparrow," but this bird had ornate reddish stripes down its back. I apologize for the photos which were through glass and taken by a mediocre photographer (who me? what are you talking about?), but this bird is gorgeous and the warm reds and whites on it really pop. A Taiga of the Red complex I understand. Delia and I don't think we've ever seen them before, Brian Pendleton remembered them well--from NewFoundland! 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Hank Heiberg Issaquah WA Sent from my iPhone From jimbetz at jimbetz.com Fri Nov 3 13:26:50 2023 From: jimbetz at jimbetz.com (jimbetz@jimbetz.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Skagit County Survey Trip In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20231103132650.Horde.Z2oog7Mq6PDIC8GgJZVb5AR@webmail.jimbetz.com> Hi all, Just got back from a "survey tour". Here's what I saw today from while driving around from 10:30 until 12:30. And what we are seeing from our house. **** Fir Island - no swans or snows anywhere. Also only one Harrier. Two differentin pairs of immature Bald Eagles. No adult Balds. No hawks. A few ducks but not many - all of this was in the fields and trees. I did not get up on the dike at either Hayton or Jensen - I did roll down the windows and listen at both (no sound of geese). One large group of gulls in one field. Skagit Flats - a few groups of swans, no snows, no raptors. A few ducks but again not many. A few small groups of Mallards. A few groups of gulls. Samish Flats (and the 90's) - swans in lots of places. No snows. One pair of immature Bald Eagles. One harrier. No owls, no other raptors. No ducks except for one large flock flying in the middle altitude (probable teal?) near Samish Island and moving towards the East/NorthEast. A few small groups of Mallards. A few groups of gulls. Butler Flats - a few swans, no snows, a couple of immature Balds. No RTH or other raptors. (Our house looks down on the Butler Flats so when there are large groups of birds we SEE them.) One imm Bald and one mature Bald in the trees below our house. A few groups of gulls. There were some RWBs at the East 90 - maybe 20 at most. I saw some large flocks of blackbirds (probably Brewers?) on the wires of the Samish Flats. I saw hunters at all of the usual places. Did not hear any shots anywhere. Saw one hunter returning to the parking lot at the West 90 ... no birds. **** My interpretations of the above observations: 1) Seeing the immature Balds is a good sign. This was the most of them I've seen this fall. Still waiting on the other raptors and the SEOWs. 2) I'm 'still waiting' for the ducks to arrive. It's going to be raining. That will make lots of puddles and ponds in the fields. Those are usually filled with ducks. 3) I think "the action" is slightly, very slightly on an uptick. But still a "promise" of good things to come. - More in the coming weeks. Jim From cariddellwa at gmail.com Fri Nov 3 14:01:58 2023 From: cariddellwa at gmail.com (Carol Riddell) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Hayton Reserve Sharp-tailed Sandpiper Message-ID: <428A7D6D-23A6-411A-8551-ABCF529EA8B8@gmail.com> The Sharp-tailed Sandpiper was at rest on the near shore logs when I arrived at 1:15 pm, among many Dunlins and Long-billed Dowitchers. A Merlin swept through shortly before 2 pm, scattering the shorebirds and plucking its meal. They have not returned. Carol Riddell Edmonds, WA From jimbetz at jimbetz.com Fri Nov 3 19:23:20 2023 From: jimbetz at jimbetz.com (jimbetz@jimbetz.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Skagit County Survey Trip In-Reply-To: <20231103132650.Horde.Z2oog7Mq6PDIC8GgJZVb5AR@webmail.jimbetz.com> References: <20231103132650.Horde.Z2oog7Mq6PDIC8GgJZVb5AR@webmail.jimbetz.com> Message-ID: <20231103192320.Horde.RtIdCowtiVrcOFLlM79bLW4@webmail.jimbetz.com> Follow up observations ... I did not see any Great Blue Herons today - this is rare for having spent more than 2 hours on the secondary roads of the County. Tide was high. I was up river as far as Concrete last Thursday. We saw a few Bald Eagles and very few other birds. Drove Hwy 20 going East and a variety of "river roads" coming back on the North side of the Skagit. We are still seeing -lots- of passerines at our seed feeder. One or two Anna's at the nectar feeder (just a month ago it was as many as 6 at a time). We'll have at least one Stellar's everyday - and a Flicker or two about every two or three days. Almost every afternoon there will be 1 to 3 doves on the ground below the seed feeder. "Lots" means as many as 12 or more at a time. Mostly Juncos and Chickadees now, the sparrows and finches have dropped off. Yeah, I know, this is just one location ... **** Additional interpretations: I would say that the swans are here "in force". Mostly on the Samish Flats. The lack of Snow Geese (today) may mean they are just somewhere I wasn't. Another would be that the numbers seen a week or so ago were "in transit" to locations further South. - Jim From cariddellwa at gmail.com Sat Nov 4 13:22:33 2023 From: cariddellwa at gmail.com (Carol Riddell) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Edmonds Roundup - September-October 2023 Message-ID: <32AAF9EE-E64D-4F30-B964-4B36F81ED142@gmail.com> Hi Tweets, We ended October with 188 species on the Edmonds year list. New species, in order by date, include: Pomarine Jaeger (code 4), 1 southbound at Water Street, 9-7-23. Franklin?s Gull (code 4), 1 juvenile at Shell Creek, 9-17-23. Northern Harrier (code 3), 1 at Edmonds marsh, 10-2-23, with a second sighting there, 10-15-23. Sabine?s Gull (code 4), 1 at the waterfront in the near shore waters, 10-4-23. Cassin?s Finch (code 5), 1 at north Edmonds yard, 10-6-23. (This is a new species for the Edmonds list: # 281.) Black-bellied Plover (code 4), 2 southbound at the waterfront, 10-11-23. Lapland Longspur (code 4), 2 at the waterfront, 10-12-23. Long-tailed Duck (code 3), 1 flying southbound at Marina Beach, 10-26-23. Other reports: A Great Horned Owl (code 4) was heard calling in the Seaview neighborhood about 9:30 p.m., 9-3-23. Eight California Scrub-Jays (code 4) appeared in a yard with feeders on the west end of Puget Drive, on the morning of 9-6-23. They flew off to the northeast. There were two September reports of probably a continuing Great Egret (code 4), one at Edmonds marsh 9-4-23 and one at the waterfront, 9-27-23.There were two reports of Brown Pelican (code 4) on the waterfront 10-10-23 and one in the marina 10-19-23. Three Turkey Vultures (code 3) flew southbound through Edmonds, stopping for a rest in a cedar before moving on, 10-12-23. We have decided not to add two species for which there are eBird reports. There are two reports, with no documentation, of Brewer?s Blackbird (code 3), by two separate out-of-state visitors. This was always a difficult bird to see in Edmonds other than the one pair that lived along the waterfront for many years, the female continuing for several more after the male disappeared. There have been no reports by locals who bird here regularly. These may well be data entry errors as Brewer?s Blackbird is next to Red-winged Blackbird on the checklist. The other involves two October single, undocumented reports of Short-billed Dowitcher (code 4) in the marsh. Non-breeding dowitchers can be difficult to distinguish, particularly at the distance they are usually seen in the marsh. With no further information available, we cannot conclude that these were accurate sightings of such a rare bird for Edmonds. As always, I appreciate it when birders get in touch with me to share sightings, photos, or audio. It helps us build our collective year list. If you would like a copy of our 2023 city checklist, please request it from checklistedmonds at gmail dot com. (It reflects a species total of 280, including the Nazca Booby.) If eBirders will use the details field to add critical field mark for unusual Edmonds birds (code 3 or rarer), it will help us build the city year list. Photographs or recordings are also helpful. 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Dhammadinna) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Best time of day to see Snow Geese, Swans Message-ID: I'm planning to take friends who are not birders up to Hayton Reserve to see the spectacle of the Snow Geese and Swans. What is the best time of day to be there? Thanks Dhammadinna sdd.bodhiheart@gmail.com (Seattle) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimbetz at jimbetz.com Sun Nov 5 08:47:48 2023 From: jimbetz at jimbetz.com (jimbetz@jimbetz.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Skagit County Update and Correction ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20231105084748.Horde.w4F5YqDRKPfJhdmKBzMKt-a@webmail.jimbetz.com> Hi all, First - let me acknowledge that my prior survey trip was 'less than stellar' because I didn't get out of my car at either Hayton or Jensen. Reports are that the Snows -are- at Hayton. Had I just gotten out and walked up onto the dike I would have seen Snows and ducks galore - and probably even some Swans. Not to mention the other sightings available that day at those locations. It was, however, a 'true' report of what I saw on Fir Island yesterday. Typically there are large flocks of both Snows and Swans in the -fields- on Fir. Thru most of the Winter (late Fall to early Spring). As to today's update ... We are seeing the first 'gatherings of any kind of numbers in the Butler Flats' ... specifically - this morning there are groups of Trumpeters along Daugherty Road. The swans typically use this area 'all Winter long' and we often see them thru our spotting scope - along Daugherty, Cook, Gardner, District Line, etc. roads. We also see the swans coming to that area from the vicinities of Barney, Clear, and Big Lakes ... and going back in the late evening. Wiley Slough update = no update. Still closed with no indication of when - or if - it will reopen this Winter. - Jim From ecrockett0 at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 12:30:16 2023 From: ecrockett0 at gmail.com (Eric Crockett) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Lake Sammamish SP Lapland Longspur: NO Message-ID: We searched on Sunset Beach, but were unable to refind the Lapland Longspur that has been reported at Lake Sammamish SP, King County. Looked at noon on Sunday 11/5. Eric Crockett -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ecrockett0 at gmail.com Sun Nov 5 12:35:58 2023 From: ecrockett0 at gmail.com (Eric Crockett) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor White-throated Sparrow Message-ID: Very cooperative WHITE-THROATED SPARROW seen Sunday 11/5 at 10am at Marymoor Park, King County. Exact location is ?dog central? (behind the port-o-pots in the middle of the dog park) with a flock of golden-crowned and white-crowned sparrows. 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Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society requires registration at: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave SE, Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. Ed will be speaking live from the Temple. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society requires registration at: > https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU > > You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave SE, Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. Ed will be speaking live from the Temple. > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed Deal, from Seattle?s Urban Raptor Conservancy, will provide > insights into these birds. Since 2012 the group has monitored the hawk?s > nesting density and productivity; the population has nearly tripled in just > 12 years. Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site > fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used > for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society > requires registration at: > > > https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU > You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave SE, > Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. Ed > will be speaking live from the Temple. > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From osdlm1945 at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 11:44:27 2023 From: osdlm1945 at gmail.com (Dianna Moore) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] any new WA State CBCs out there and request for Dianna Moore e-mail address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dianna Moore osdlm1945@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 3:39?AM Jim Danzenbaker wrote: > Hi Tweeters, > > I've started the process of gathering information for the upcoming > 2023-2024 CBC season and sent an e-mail to all of last year's > organizers/compilers. However, the e-mail only went to CBCs that happened > last year. > > My request to you is that if you know of a new CBC this year or one > that didn't happen last year, can you shoot me a quick e-mail and let me > know the specifics so that I can include it in the summary? I greatly > appreciate it. > > This is the list of last year's CBCs: https://wos.org/cbc/. The updated > summary will appear on the WOS website in about 2-3 weeks depending on how > long it takes to receive feedback on all the counts and the time required > to update the document. > > By the way, does anybody have a current e-mail address for Dianna Moore in > Ocean Shores? > > Thanks in advance. > > Jim > -- > Jim Danzenbaker > Battle Ground, WA > 360-702-9395 > jdanzenbaker@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mj.cygnus at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 11:49:05 2023 From: mj.cygnus at gmail.com (Martha Jordan) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] SWAN HOTLINE- NEW NUMBER Message-ID: Take note and put the new info on your phones: WDFW has changed their phone system. Good or bad, it is what it is, along with frustrating. The old swan hotline number no longer exists. SWAN HOTLINE (also for nutria sightings) NEW NUMBER: 360-466-0515 Leave a message. It is monitored several times a day. You can also report dead wildlife online on WDFW's website. This is fine for most species, and you can use it for swans and geese, it just will be a delay in getting to the birds. Using the phone is the best way to reach someone on a more timely basis. Please pass this info on to anyone you know who may need it. WDFW has not yet put out a press release on this change. When that might happen is anyone's guess. AND remember: DO NOT PICK UP any swan or goose (snow, Canada, etc, duck) you find dead or sick. Please call swans and sick geese into the hotline. 36-=466=0515 Martha Jordan Everett, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also like ?Birdfeeder Hawk.? > > Doug Santoni > Seattle, WA > Dougsantoni at gmail dot com > > On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Kathleen Snyder wrote: > > Thirty years ago, Cooper?s Hawks began colonizing urban and suburban > landscapes throughout the US, developing a tolerance for living near > humans. Ed Deal, from Seattle?s Urban Raptor Conservancy, will provide > insights into these birds. Since 2012 the group has monitored the hawk?s > nesting density and productivity; the population has nearly tripled in just > 12 years. Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site > fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used > for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society > requires registration at: > > > https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU > You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave SE, > Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. Ed > will be speaking live from the Temple. > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Steve Loitz Ellensburg, WA steveloitz@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From falcophile at comcast.net Mon Nov 6 12:24:49 2023 From: falcophile at comcast.net (ED DEAL) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Cooper's Hawk Naming Message-ID: <171629269.416983.1699302289807@connect.xfinity.com> My votes are: Long-tailed Chicken Hawk or Greater Chicken Hawk ( with Sharpies as Lesser Chicken Hawk) Ed Deal Seattle Cooper's Hawk Project -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdd.bodhiheart at gmail.com Mon Nov 6 13:38:45 2023 From: sdd.bodhiheart at gmail.com (Ven. Dhammadinna) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Seattle=E2=80=99s_Adaptable_Urban_Cooper?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Hawks_=E2=80=93_Thursday_Nov_9_7_pm_via_Zoom_?= =?utf-8?q?or_in-person?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I like Ambushing Forest Hawk. :-) On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 11:53?AM Steve Loitz wrote: > I have seen more COHAs in rural and wild areas than in urban or suburban > areas, thus "Suburban Hawk" does not work for me. I am interested in Ed > Deal's take on this. > > For those of you who have not seen Ed's presentation, I highly recommend > doing so. Earlier this year, Ed gave his presentation to Kittitas Audubon > and it was very informative and highly entertaining. > > Steve Loitz > Kittitas Audubon Society President > Ellensburg > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 8:24?AM Doug Santoni wrote: > >> Based on the trends highlighted below, maybe its new (non-eponym) name >> will be ?Adaptable Hawk? or ?Suburban Hawk.? I also like ?Birdfeeder Hawk.? >> >> Doug Santoni >> Seattle, WA >> Dougsantoni at gmail dot com >> >> On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Kathleen Snyder wrote: >> >> Thirty years ago, Cooper?s Hawks began colonizing urban and suburban >> landscapes throughout the US, developing a tolerance for living near >> humans. Ed Deal, from Seattle?s Urban Raptor Conservancy, will provide >> insights into these birds. Since 2012 the group has monitored the hawk?s >> nesting density and productivity; the population has nearly tripled in just >> 12 years. Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site >> fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used >> for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society >> requires registration at: >> >> >> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU >> You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave >> SE, Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. Ed >> will be speaking live from the Temple. >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > Steve Loitz > Ellensburg, WA > steveloitz@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In the Cooper?s Hawk account in Birds of the World, it mentions one nest at which 66 robin-sized prey items were required to raise a single young to age 6 weeks. Three young x 66 = 198 such prey items taken in the area around one nest in one breeding season, although that?s over a fairly large area. And I can?t say I?ve seen any decline of pigeons or other birds of that size in my yard, so presumably that level of predation doesn?t represent a problem for local bird populations. It does have the local effect of emptying our yard completely of birds when a Cooper?s Hawk comes through, sometimes for several hours. Those smaller birds know how to play it safe. Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Nov 6, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Molly Cvetovac wrote: > > I saw an instagram reel where a person was suggesting "Flicker's bain", which I thought was pretty great. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 8:24?AM Doug Santoni > wrote: > Based on the trends highlighted below, maybe its new (non-eponym) name will be ?Adaptable Hawk? or ?Suburban Hawk.? I also like ?Birdfeeder Hawk.? > > Doug Santoni > Seattle, WA > Dougsantoni at gmail dot com > >> On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Kathleen Snyder > wrote: >> >> Thirty years ago, Cooper?s Hawks began colonizing urban and suburban landscapes throughout the US, developing a tolerance for living near humans. Ed Deal, from Seattle?s Urban Raptor Conservancy, will provide insights into these birds. Since 2012 the group has monitored the hawk?s nesting density and productivity; the population has nearly tripled in just 12 years. Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society requires registration at: >> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU >> You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave SE, Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. 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Dan McDougall-Treacy On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 8:03?PM Tom and Carol Stoner wrote: > Non-birding, punny husband thinks Cooper's Hawk should become Barrel Hawk > or Keg Hawk. I think Pigeon Hawk fits well. Or apply the homophone > philosophy for Vox Swift. > > I'm sure there's more . . . > Carol Stoner > West Seattle > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sdd.bodhiheart at gmail.com Tue Nov 7 05:08:42 2023 From: sdd.bodhiheart at gmail.com (Ven. Dhammadinna) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Seattle=E2=80=99s_Adaptable_Urban_Cooper?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Hawks_=E2=80=93_Thursday_Nov_9_7_pm_via_Zoom_?= =?utf-8?q?or_in-person?= In-Reply-To: <9A13B0B2-6781-4D18-81D5-71A5C7F7E2AB@comcast.net> References: <9A13B0B2-6781-4D18-81D5-71A5C7F7E2AB@comcast.net> Message-ID: Probably Birds of the World is not tracking how very many rats it takes to raise a baby Cooper's Hawk. I'm just back from rural south Georgia where you hear guns popping off all day....if they assign Chicken Hawk as a new/old name, I wonder if my cousins would take aim in imagined retribution. Dhammadinna Seattle On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 1:39?PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > If we?re going in that direction, I suggest we resurrect ?Pigeon Hawk? for > this species, taking it away from its former use for the Merlin. I have > actually photographed them taking four Band-tailed Pigeons in our yard, and > I presume those weren?t the only ones. I know pigeons and doves are very > important components of their diet in some areas. I?ll admit that as a > person who admires hawks but who also cherishes the abundance and diversity > of birds at our feeders, I have mixed feelings about them becoming more and > more common. > > In the Cooper?s Hawk account in Birds of the World, it mentions one nest > at which 66 robin-sized prey items were required to raise a single young to > age 6 weeks. Three young x 66 = 198 such prey items taken in the area > around one nest in one breeding season, although that?s over a fairly large > area. And I can?t say I?ve seen any decline of pigeons or other birds of > that size in my yard, so presumably that level of predation doesn?t > represent a problem for local bird populations. > > It does have the local effect of emptying our yard completely of birds > when a Cooper?s Hawk comes through, sometimes for several hours. Those > smaller birds know how to play it safe. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Nov 6, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Molly Cvetovac > wrote: > > I saw an instagram reel where a person was suggesting "Flicker's bain", > which I thought was pretty great. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 8:24?AM Doug Santoni wrote: > >> Based on the trends highlighted below, maybe its new (non-eponym) name >> will be ?Adaptable Hawk? or ?Suburban Hawk.? I also like ?Birdfeeder Hawk.? >> >> Doug Santoni >> Seattle, WA >> Dougsantoni at gmail dot com >> >> On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Kathleen Snyder wrote: >> >> Thirty years ago, Cooper?s Hawks began colonizing urban and suburban >> landscapes throughout the US, developing a tolerance for living near >> humans. Ed Deal, from Seattle?s Urban Raptor Conservancy, will provide >> insights into these birds. Since 2012 the group has monitored the hawk?s >> nesting density and productivity; the population has nearly tripled in just >> 12 years. Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site >> fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used >> for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society >> requires registration at: >> >> >> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU >> You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave >> SE, Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. 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URL: From panmail at mailfence.com Tue Nov 7 08:44:55 2023 From: panmail at mailfence.com (pan) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Seattle waterthrush continues In-Reply-To: rplTo: Message-ID: <686737503.767872.1699375495379@ichabod.co-bxl> Tweets, The Northern Waterthrush found yesterday morning at North Seattle College was heard and seen this morning between 7 and 8 (by three birders).? Mostly heard, but one good view was had along the shore of the small pond around 7:20.? 7 November, 2023, Alan Grenon Seattle panmail AT mailfence.com -- Sent with https://mailfence.com Secure and private email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimbetz at jimbetz.com Tue Nov 7 09:51:43 2023 From: jimbetz at jimbetz.com (jimbetz@jimbetz.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Birding away from home? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20231107095143.Horde.Mav6_xaT8fUTVdd2YMceQuW@webmail.jimbetz.com> Hi all, We're in the process of picking our travel destinations for 2024. When we go somewhere we like to include at least one 'birding event'. Is there any particular method you use to select a birding guide when you are away on a trip. For example Singapore, Australia, Ireland, Eastern Mediterranean (not Greece, the Eastern side of the Adriatic), Romania, etc. I am not looking for specific recommendations - I'm looking for some "methodology for finding quality guides". What we've done in the past is to 'consult the web' and the results have been hit and miss. It also appears that quality guides are booked in advance and so if you wait too long you end up with less than stellar guides. - Jim and Loretta From dennispaulson at comcast.net Tue Nov 7 10:06:49 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Seattle=E2=80=99s_Adaptable_Urban_Cooper?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99s_Hawks_=E2=80=93_Thursday_Nov_9_7_pm_via_Zoom_or_in-p?= =?utf-8?q?erson?= In-Reply-To: References: <9A13B0B2-6781-4D18-81D5-71A5C7F7E2AB@comcast.net> Message-ID: <278B2760-B357-4184-A40A-DA0359F96D77@comcast.net> Actually, a lot of hawks were called chicken hawks years ago, and they were shot on sight all over the continent. I recall seeing dead hawks hanging from fences while driving across the countryside. Fortunately, that is a thing of the past, at least for the vast majority of Americans. Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Nov 7, 2023, at 5:08 AM, Ven. Dhammadinna wrote: > > Probably Birds of the World is not tracking how very many rats it takes to raise a baby Cooper's Hawk. > I'm just back from rural south Georgia where you hear guns popping off all day....if they assign Chicken Hawk as a new/old name, I wonder if my cousins would take aim in imagined retribution. > Dhammadinna > Seattle > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 1:39?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: > If we?re going in that direction, I suggest we resurrect ?Pigeon Hawk? for this species, taking it away from its former use for the Merlin. I have actually photographed them taking four Band-tailed Pigeons in our yard, and I presume those weren?t the only ones. I know pigeons and doves are very important components of their diet in some areas. I?ll admit that as a person who admires hawks but who also cherishes the abundance and diversity of birds at our feeders, I have mixed feelings about them becoming more and more common. > > In the Cooper?s Hawk account in Birds of the World, it mentions one nest at which 66 robin-sized prey items were required to raise a single young to age 6 weeks. Three young x 66 = 198 such prey items taken in the area around one nest in one breeding season, although that?s over a fairly large area. And I can?t say I?ve seen any decline of pigeons or other birds of that size in my yard, so presumably that level of predation doesn?t represent a problem for local bird populations. > > It does have the local effect of emptying our yard completely of birds when a Cooper?s Hawk comes through, sometimes for several hours. Those smaller birds know how to play it safe. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > >> On Nov 6, 2023, at 11:22 AM, Molly Cvetovac > wrote: >> >> I saw an instagram reel where a person was suggesting "Flicker's bain", which I thought was pretty great. >> >> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 8:24?AM Doug Santoni > wrote: >> Based on the trends highlighted below, maybe its new (non-eponym) name will be ?Adaptable Hawk? or ?Suburban Hawk.? I also like ?Birdfeeder Hawk.? >> >> Doug Santoni >> Seattle, WA >> Dougsantoni at gmail dot com >> >>> On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:14 AM, Kathleen Snyder > wrote: >>> >>> Thirty years ago, Cooper?s Hawks began colonizing urban and suburban landscapes throughout the US, developing a tolerance for living near humans. Ed Deal, from Seattle?s Urban Raptor Conservancy, will provide insights into these birds. Since 2012 the group has monitored the hawk?s nesting density and productivity; the population has nearly tripled in just 12 years. Please join us to learn about the hawk, their nest site fidelity, migration and dispersal patterns as well as the protocols used for the study. This free program from Black Hills Audubon Society requires registration at: >>> https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZYvduGuqj8vGNRfpHBaRZrV4p9ppNteoSVU >>> You can also join us in person at Temple Beth Hatfiloh at 201 8th Ave SE, Olympia where there will be refreshments and social time at 6:30. Ed will be speaking live from the Temple. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From teresa at avocetconsulting.com Tue Nov 7 11:34:45 2023 From: teresa at avocetconsulting.com (Teresa Michelsen) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Birding away from home? In-Reply-To: <20231107095143.Horde.Mav6_xaT8fUTVdd2YMceQuW@webmail.jimbetz.com> References: <20231107095143.Horde.Mav6_xaT8fUTVdd2YMceQuW@webmail.jimbetz.com> Message-ID: <7f43175a970745fb9d34b078beb7fb5a@avocetconsulting.com> I found the worldwide Birding Pal program to be an excellent way to travel, particularly in areas with few organized guides or if you'd just prefer a local and free approach to spending thousands. http://www.birdingpal.org/ I have traveled with Rockjumper etc. and they are amazing. But probably some of the most fun trips I've had have been with Birding Pals. I had 5 different contacts in local areas of Australia when I went. Often they bring their friendly local birders along. Also, they know the local guides and can recommend who's the best, if you're looking for someone who focuses on that specific area as opposed to an international company. Like on that trip, there was one national forest that I hired a local guide for a day because I wanted to see Lyrebirds and other specialties and he had the experience and a pass to get in. Not to mention, they know where the best food is, what the traffic is like, and which hide the brown snake likes to hide under! I learned a lot about safety in the wilds of Australia from them. Paired this with Air-bnbs in birdy areas and it was really wonderful. Aside from that, there are always local guides who know their spot better than anyone, but often aren't on the internet. In my experience you find them by asking on groups like this, or by spending a lot of time in the area and asking anyone with binoculars, or calling the refuge and asking. This works better if you're not on a tight schedule or return to a place more than once. You can also call lodges or other places that cater specifically to nature travelers and take their recommendations for locals. For example in Panama, the people who run the Canopy Family lodges will happily recommend their guides for any day they're free, or include you in a group that's already going out. You can probably tell I vastly prefer locals to any other guides. In my travels I can't remember a single problem with this, though I'm sure the occur. On the other hand, disaster can hit even large organized groups - like ending up in the middle of an insurrection in Honduras on an ABA trip or having your boat break down at sea offshore of NZ (the birds we saw were epic though...). Just my 2 cents Teresa Michelsen Hoodsport -----Original Message----- From: Tweeters On Behalf Of jimbetz@jimbetz.com Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 9:52 AM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Birding away from home? Hi all, We're in the process of picking our travel destinations for 2024. When we go somewhere we like to include at least one 'birding event'. Is there any particular method you use to select a birding guide when you are away on a trip. For example Singapore, Australia, Ireland, Eastern Mediterranean (not Greece, the Eastern side of the Adriatic), Romania, etc. I am not looking for specific recommendations - I'm looking for some "methodology for finding quality guides". What we've done in the past is to 'consult the web' and the results have been hit and miss. It also appears that quality guides are booked in advance and so if you wait too long you end up with less than stellar guides. - Jim and Loretta _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From ldhubbell at comcast.net Tue Nov 7 12:04:59 2023 From: ldhubbell at comcast.net (Hubbell) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Union Bay Watch } Free Spirits Message-ID: <18B5EEEE-CF93-4DF8-89F7-E154377020C0@comcast.net> Tweeters, This post focuses on Waxwings and how to tell them apart. I hope you enjoy the post. https://unionbaywatch.blogspot.com/2023/11/free-spirits.html https://unionbaywatch.blogspot.com/2023/11/free-spirits.html Have a great day on Union Bay?where everyone is welcome! Sincerely, Larry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There is a lot of self-recrimination on my part for thinking I could fix the leak that had developed (first in twelve years) in the creek. Dan Reiff, who is kind of an expert on bird- thought after spending a multitude of hours watching Owls at night, is the only other birder besides Delia and me to have seen the creek right before and right after I embarked on the fix, and may have some insights as to why our neighborhood birds and most sadly, El Rojito, have almost entirely deserted us. Best wishes, Ed Newbold (and Delia Scholes) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenbrownpls at comcast.net Thu Nov 9 12:32:04 2023 From: kenbrownpls at comcast.net (Kenneth Brown) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Nisqually Wednesday. Message-ID: <1078226183.24436.1699561924898@connect.xfinity.com> A bright sunny morning brought out about 30 bird nerds to start the walk, a few more were added as the day went on. While there is a core group that makes a full day out of it, most birders who attend this walk do not stay the whole day. Everyone is welcome, but no one is obligated to stay longer than they want to, except the person keeping the list. Highlights beside the wonderful weather were as good a look at a Barred Owl as anyone could ask for (4-5' from the boardwalk just above eye level with good light and no obstructions) and more distant sightings of Northern Shrike and Red-shouldered Hawk. A nice mix of shorebirds were present. One item of potential concern was an adult American Beaver on the shoreline of Shannon Slough, just south of the green gate near the start of the McCallister Creek boardwalk. It was seen before the group went out on the boardwalk and was thought to be just preening and sunning itself but after we returned, it was in the water, the tide having come in, and seemed very lethargic. When approached closely it finally slowly swam a little bit from shore but returned as soon as I backed away. The consensus belief is that the animal was/is ill. With that downer, the full tally is as follows: Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually NWR, Thurston, Washington, US Nov 8, 2023 7:58 AM - 4:25 PM Protocol: Traveling 5.0 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. The morning began sunny, calm and 39? F, with high fog developing for a couple of hours before burning off again for a beautiful 54? Autumn day. There was a low 3? 5? tide at 7:42 a.m., flooding to a 13? 1? high water at 2:28 p.m. Besides birds, the Pacific chorus frogs were out; Columbian black-tailed deer and eastern grey squirrels were in the woods; a coyote was seen hunting along the west bank of McAllister Creek, a lethargic beaver was on the salt water side of the dike at Shannon Slough, and Harbor Seals and California Sea Lions were seen from the estuary boardwalk. 81 species (+9 other taxa) Cackling Goose (minima) 3155 Cackling Goose (Taverner's) 55 Canada Goose 50 Trumpeter/Tundra Swan 5 Near the mouth of the River; too far to ID to species Northern Shoveler 18 Gadwall 16 Eurasian Wigeon 2 Both drakes; no females found American Wigeon 2375 Mallard 50 Northern Pintail 465 Green-winged Teal 1885 Ring-necked Duck 4 Greater Scaup 25 Nisqually Reach Surf Scoter 45 Several in McAllister Creek; remainder on Nisqually Reach White-winged Scoter 2 Nisqually Reach Bufflehead 110 Common Goldeneye 1 McAllister Creek Hooded Merganser 2 Red-breasted Merganser 12 Several in McAllister Creek; remainder on Nisqually Reach Horned Grebe 3 McAllister Creek near Luhr Beach Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon) 17 Near Entrance gate Band-tailed Pigeon 2 Mourning Dove 1 Orchard Anna's Hummingbird 3 American Coot 6 Long-billed Dowitcher 30 Wilson's Snipe 3 Greater Yellowlegs 28 Dunlin 250 Least Sandpiper 20 Western Sandpiper 2 Bonaparte's Gull 35 Short-billed Gull 28 Ring-billed Gull 335 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 6 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 20 gull sp. 200 Common Loon 2 Nisqually Reach Brandt's Cormorant 5 Nisqually Reach channel marker Double-crested Cormorant 50 Great Egret 1 Freshwater side of Leschi Slough near Twin Barns Great Blue Heron 18 Northern Harrier 3 Cooper's Hawk 2 Bald Eagle 10 Red-shouldered Hawk 1 Vocalizing from near Twin Barns; seen in riparian near Nisqually River Red-tailed Hawk (calurus/alascensis) 3 Barred Owl 1 Provided excellent views near the Twin Barns observation deck Belted Kingfisher 3 Red-breasted Sapsucker 1 Orchard Downy Woodpecker 3 Northern Flicker 4 Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 1 Merlin (Black) 1 Very dark; expected subspecies. Perched, then seen hunting Dunlin in amazing flight Peregrine Falcon 1 Northern Shrike 1 Perched in dead trees in cattail marsh American Crow 28 Common Raven 2 Black-capped Chickadee 38 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 7 Bushtit (Pacific) 21 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 14 Golden-crowned Kinglet 20 Brown Creeper 5 Pacific Wren 4 Marsh Wren 4 Bewick's Wren 4 European Starling 455 Varied Thrush 8 Many in Orchard American Robin 30 American Pipit 5 House Finch 3 Pine Siskin 265 Lesser Goldfinch 6 Counted 1x1 in orchard American Goldfinch 2 Fox Sparrow (Sooty) 3 Dark-eyed Junco (Oregon) 1 Orchard White-crowned Sparrow (pugetensis) 2 Golden-crowned Sparrow 9 White-throated Sparrow 2 One in Orchard; another in willows north of Twin Barns Song Sparrow 29 Spotted Towhee (oregonus Group) 3 Western Meadowlark 3 Red-winged Blackbird 55 Orange-crowned Warbler 3 Orange-crowned Warbler (lutescens) 6 Yellow-rumped Warbler 3 Yellow-rumped Warbler (Myrtle) 1 Yellow-rumped Warbler (Audubon's) 2 Townsend's Warbler 1 View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S154070210 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pine Siskin - One or two fairly large flocks (~30), after a few weeks of tiny groups or singletons ? ? White-throated Sparrow - One near the third Dog Swim Beach ???? This is only the 4th time we've had BOHEMIAN WAXWING at Marymoor.? There was one in a flock of Cedar Waxwings during Feb-Apr, 2012; 2 on 2016-12-01; and 1 on 2021-12-30. Misses today included Common Merganser, Anna's Hummingbird, Short-billed Gull (though we had a quick flyover flock that looked likely), California Gull (though there were many gulls we couldn't ID in the fog), Northern Shrike, Cedar Waxwing, and Yellow-rumped Warbler. For the day, 53 species, but about eight of those were heard-only. = Michael Hobbs = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm From mj.cygnus at gmail.com Thu Nov 9 18:03:10 2023 From: mj.cygnus at gmail.com (Martha Jordan) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions Message-ID: Finally I am going to get a digiscope attachment for my good but older Zeiss spotting scope. What brand and model do those users out there recommend. Thanks. Martha Jordan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdanzenbaker at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 02:02:44 2023 From: jdanzenbaker at gmail.com (Jim Danzenbaker) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: PhoneSkope. When ordering you need to provide the model of phone that you are using and the eyepiece and scope brand that you are using. Contact me if you have any questions. Jim Battle Ground, WA On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Martha Jordan wrote: > Finally I am going to get a digiscope attachment for my good but older > Zeiss spotting scope. What brand and model do those users out there > recommend. > Thanks. > Martha Jordan > > -- Jim Danzenbaker Battle Ground, WA 360-702-9395 jdanzenbaker@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 06:28:10 2023 From: dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com (Dan Reiff) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Male hummingbirds use beaks when fighting to stab at their opponents' throats Message-ID: <9EA37593-7116-4458-9B59-F7927A072BAC@gmail.com> https://phys.org/news/2014-11-male-hummingbirds-beaks-stab-opponents.html Sent from my iPhone From dkreft052 at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 06:34:27 2023 From: dkreft052 at gmail.com (David Kreft) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree withJim. PhoneSkope makes a good product. Dave Kreft On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 2:03 AM Jim Danzenbaker wrote: > PhoneSkope. When ordering you need to provide the model of phone that you > are using and the eyepiece and scope brand that you are using. > > Contact me if you have any questions. > > Jim > Battle Ground, WA > > On Thursday, November 9, 2023, Martha Jordan wrote: > >> Finally I am going to get a digiscope attachment for my good but older >> Zeiss spotting scope. What brand and model do those users out there >> recommend. >> Thanks. >> Martha Jordan >> >> > > -- > Jim Danzenbaker > Battle Ground, WA > 360-702-9395 > jdanzenbaker@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vikingcove at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 07:18:56 2023 From: vikingcove at gmail.com (Kevin Lucas) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18bb9d09300.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> I had a PhoneScope for a previous phone. It was phone model specific, and worked okay for the Samsung S4 I owned then. It would not fit any other model phone. I did not like that the collar piece stayed on the scope eyepiece, nor how tgat collar wedged onto the scope eyepiece hood. Two phone models later, I'm pleased with my Novagrade digiscoping adapter. It's adjustable to fit most phones and most birding optics' eyepieces. It's well machined from high quality aluminum, with well designed high quality plastic, brass, and stainless steel components. I like that I will be able to use it with other phones and scopes and binoculars. It works well on my Zeiss Diascope 85 TFL and on my Swarovski ATX? 80 backup scope. When removed, no piece remains on the eyepiece. To prevent vibration induced blur I usually use a cheap Bluetooth remote to trigger my camera shutter, or use the stylus from my phone. It has a button that works as a wireless shutter trigger. Novagrade tech support was excellent in answering detailed questions I asked of them. They also make direct projection adapters for Nikon and Canon. Here is a link to the Novagrade Phone Adapter Double Gripper: https://novagrade.com/products/phone-adapter-double-gripper?gclid=CjwKCAiAxreqBhAxEiwAfGfndNAVe-qhcVNL9XgRxq49s380jrPdBTiSkGLEPDQf7PiSw72_e1th_hoCAmkQAvD_BwE Good Birding, https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/ Kevin Lucas Yakima County, WA Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On November 9, 2023 8:03:47 PM Martha Jordan wrote: > Finally I am going to get a digiscope attachment for my good but older > Zeiss spotting scope. What brand and model do those users out there > recommend. > Thanks. > Martha Jordan > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From qblater at yahoo.com Fri Nov 10 08:00:57 2023 From: qblater at yahoo.com (Qblater) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions In-Reply-To: <18bb9d09300.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> References: <18bb9d09300.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EDC3E89-638F-48FA-AA5F-0A4873C102C6@yahoo.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vikingcove at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 08:12:55 2023 From: vikingcove at gmail.com (Kevin Lucas) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions In-Reply-To: <4EDC3E89-638F-48FA-AA5F-0A4873C102C6@yahoo.com> References: <18bb9d09300.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> <4EDC3E89-638F-48FA-AA5F-0A4873C102C6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <18bba01ff58.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> The Novagrade works with phones both with and without cases. The PhoneSkope I'd used only worked without a case on only one model phone. Good Birding, https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/ Kevin Lucas Sent with AquaMail for Android http://www.aqua-mail.com On November 10, 2023 10:01:13 AM Qblater wrote: > Most brands don?t work with phones in cases , like otter box > Clarice Clark > Puyallup, WA > On Nov 10, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Kevin Lucas wrote: > ? > I had a PhoneScope for a previous phone. It was phone model specific, and > worked okay for the Samsung S4 I owned then. It would not fit any other > model phone. I did not like that the collar piece stayed on the scope > eyepiece, nor how tgat collar wedged onto the scope eyepiece hood. > Two phone models later, I'm pleased with my Novagrade digiscoping adapter. > It's adjustable to fit most phones and most birding optics' eyepieces. It's > well machined from high quality aluminum, with well designed high quality > plastic, brass, and stainless steel components. I like that I will be able > to use it with other phones and scopes and binoculars. It works well on my > Zeiss Diascope 85 TFL and on my Swarovski ATX? 80 backup scope. When > removed, no piece remains on the eyepiece. > To prevent vibration induced blur I usually use a cheap Bluetooth remote to > trigger my camera shutter, or use the stylus from my phone. It has a button > that works as a wireless shutter trigger. > Novagrade tech support was excellent in answering detailed questions I > asked of them. > They also make direct projection adapters for Nikon and Canon. > Here is a link to the Novagrade Phone Adapter Double Gripper: > https://novagrade.com/products/phone-adapter-double-gripper?gclid=CjwKCAiAxreqBhAxEiwAfGfndNAVe-qhcVNL9XgRxq49s380jrPdBTiSkGLEPDQf7PiSw72_e1th_hoCAmkQAvD_BwE > Good Birding, > https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/ > Kevin Lucas > Yakima County, WA > Sent with AquaMail for Android > http://www.aqua-mail.com > On November 9, 2023 8:03:47 PM Martha Jordan wrote: > Finally I am going to get a digiscope attachment for my good but older > Zeiss spotting scope. What brand and model do those users out there recommend. > Thanks. > Martha Jordan > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karen.w.mobile at gmail.com Fri Nov 10 08:41:22 2023 From: karen.w.mobile at gmail.com (Karen Wosilait) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- opinions In-Reply-To: <18bba01ff58.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> References: <18bba01ff58.28de.72de57011b8194b7f6cd87b3d7546c36@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A571721-4CCE-4640-BD6A-F9C64751D406@gmail.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baro at pdx.edu Fri Nov 10 09:46:23 2023 From: baro at pdx.edu (Robert O'Brien) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Male hummingbirds use beaks when fighting to stab at their opponents' throats In-Reply-To: <9EA37593-7116-4458-9B59-F7927A072BAC@gmail.com> References: <9EA37593-7116-4458-9B59-F7927A072BAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: This behavior might be 'new' to these researchers, who studied it in detail. But instances of these 'battles to the death' have been posted to both Tweeters and OBOL over the years. And it can be found simply by Googling this subject on the internet. Anna's have been the 'usual suspects' in the West. Bob OBrien Portland . On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 7:39?AM Dan Reiff wrote: > > https://phys.org/news/2014-11-male-hummingbirds-beaks-stab-opponents.html > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chazz at hesselein.com Fri Nov 10 16:19:03 2023 From: chazz at hesselein.com (Chazz Hesselein) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Digiscope attachment- Phoneskope Message-ID: <3ac17e4f-6db2-43c4-9b16-c2f78ae3edcd@hesselein.com> Dear Martha and All, I have owned a couple of phoneskopes for my Zeiss Diascope 85 t* fl 20-60x85 (purchased in 2005). The first one I bought worked very well, I had no major complaints. The second one I bought fit the phone perfectly but the eyepiece fitting did not fit very well on my my zoom eyepiece. It would not seat flush with the top of the eyepiece and, once, when removing the eyepiece after snugging it down for a "better" fit, I removed the eye relief cup of the scope's eyepiece and had to send the scope back to Ziess for repair. I tried to get another eyepiece fitting providing Phoneskope precise measurements for both the diameter of the top of the eyepiece and the maximum diameter where the eyepiece flared due to the eye-relief cup. I believe the fit of the second eyepiece was worse than the first. At that point I gave up on my Phoneskope as hand holding my phone worked about as well, or poorly, as the Phoneskope. I assume the problem is that Phoneskope no longer stocks eyepieces that fit on my older scope. Chazz Hesselein Port Orchard, WA From barbaramandula at comcast.net Fri Nov 10 16:40:43 2023 From: barbaramandula at comcast.net (Barbara Mandula) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Piliated and Hairy Woodpeckers near Madrona Woods Message-ID: <100401da1437$b503c190$1f0b44b0$@comcast.net> For the first time in the 17 years I've been watching the bird feeders on my porch near Madrona Woods, I've seen a piliated woodpecker and a hairy woodpecker. Each visited the suet feeder on the same day at the beginning of November. The hairy appeared a few days later at a seed feeder, and the piliated returned today to the suet. Until this month, I'd seen only an occasional downy keeping the ubiquitous flickers company. Is there a woodpecker irruption? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The hairy appeared a few days later at a seed feeder, and the > piliated returned today to the suet. Until this month, I?d seen only an > occasional downy keeping the ubiquitous flickers company. Is there a > woodpecker irruption? > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tlstokespoetry at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 08:33:37 2023 From: tlstokespoetry at gmail.com (Teresa Stokes) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Dead Gulls Found at Friday Harbor Message-ID: There was a post today on What's Up Friday Harbor FB page about 3 dead gulls found, with others saying they found a dead gull as well. There is a person they can contact via email who is working with DFW to get birds tested. Madrona Murphy is the contact's name. -- Sincerely, T.L. 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Could it have been a hybrid of some sort? No Icterid I know of has the outer white tail feathers. If anyone has ideas concerning this bird, please let me know. I will try to take a photo of it if it stays around the property. Thanks, and may all your birds be identified, Denis Denis DeSilvis Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougsantoni at gmail.com Sun Nov 12 12:42:22 2023 From: dougsantoni at gmail.com (Doug Santoni) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] A different Icterid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Denis ? I had a very weird-looking red-winged blackbird at my feeder a couple of years ago, and I eventually decided it was a leucistic bird. Some of its traits sound very consistent with the bird you were seeing. Doug Santoni Seattle DougSantoni at gmail dot com > On Nov 12, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Denis DeSilvis wrote: > > ? > Hi Tweeters, > I spotted a weird-looking Icterid today behind the house. The silhouette was like that of a Red-winged Blackbird, especially with the tail-flipping. Through bins and scope, I noted the outer tail feathers were white, with only a few central feathers dark. The white was symmetrical, with the same number of feathers white on each side of the center. The breast was orange (!). The wings were dark brownish with light streaks. At one point the bird ?fluffed? and I glimpsed reddish lesser coverts. > > With the lesser coverts being that color, I think this was a Red-winged Blackbird. However, with the white outer tail feathers and the definite orange breast, this was a real puzzler. Could it have been a hybrid of some sort? No Icterid I know of has the outer white tail feathers. > > If anyone has ideas concerning this bird, please let me know. I will try to take a photo of it if it stays around the property. > > Thanks, and may all your birds be identified, > Denis > > Denis DeSilvis > Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robfaucett at mac.com Sun Nov 12 12:44:24 2023 From: robfaucett at mac.com (Rob Faucett) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] A different Icterid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0570F0A8-A52E-4398-B9CF-B42BD07D3813@mac.com> Y?all know what you?re doing, regardless did you keep Tri-colored in mind? Best birding! Rob -- Rob Faucett 206-619-5569 Seattle, WA > On Nov 12, 2023, at 12:42?PM, Doug Santoni wrote: > > Denis ? I had a very weird-looking red-winged blackbird at my feeder a couple of years ago, and I eventually decided it was a leucistic bird. Some of its traits sound very consistent with the bird you were seeing. > > Doug Santoni > Seattle > DougSantoni at gmail dot com > >> On Nov 12, 2023, at 12:33 PM, Denis DeSilvis > wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi Tweeters, >> I spotted a weird-looking Icterid today behind the house. The silhouette was like that of a Red-winged Blackbird, especially with the tail-flipping. Through bins and scope, I noted the outer tail feathers were white, with only a few central feathers dark. The white was symmetrical, with the same number of feathers white on each side of the center. The breast was orange (!). The wings were dark brownish with light streaks. At one point the bird ?fluffed? and I glimpsed reddish lesser coverts. >> >> With the lesser coverts being that color, I think this was a Red-winged Blackbird. However, with the white outer tail feathers and the definite orange breast, this was a real puzzler. Could it have been a hybrid of some sort? No Icterid I know of has the outer white tail feathers. >> >> If anyone has ideas concerning this bird, please let me know. I will try to take a photo of it if it stays around the property. >> >> Thanks, and may all your birds be identified, >> Denis >> >> Denis DeSilvis >> Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The white was symmetrical, with the same number of feathers white on each side of the center. The breast was orange (!). The wings were dark brownish with light streaks. At one point the bird ?fluffed? and I glimpsed reddish lesser coverts. > > With the lesser coverts being that color, I think this was a Red-winged Blackbird. However, with the white outer tail feathers and the definite orange breast, this was a real puzzler. Could it have been a hybrid of some sort? No Icterid I know of has the outer white tail feathers. > > If anyone has ideas concerning this bird, please let me know. I will try to take a photo of it if it stays around the property. > > Thanks, and may all your birds be identified, > Denis > > Denis DeSilvis > Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mattxyz at earthlink.net Sun Nov 12 18:06:41 2023 From: mattxyz at earthlink.net (Matt Bartels) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Washington Bird Records Committee recent decisions (Oct 26, 2023 meeting) Message-ID: <8A6CF32F-D9E6-4D44-964B-102951CEB465@earthlink.net> Hi all - Happy to report that the results of the Fall meeting of the Washington Bird Records Committee are now in and the files on the WOS website are all updated with our more recent decisions. As always happens with our Fall meeting, many of the fall vagrants chose to visit the state as soon as we wrapped up the packet for review - Next Spring?s meeting will take on tasty things like that Cassin?s Sparrow, Hooded Warblers here and there, and more. Fall results are copied below, and also available along with the updated state checklist and more at: https://wos.org/records/ FALL 2023 WBRC Fall 2023 MEETING RESULTS Thursday, 26 October 2023, the Washington Bird Records Committee met over zoom for its fall meeting. A summary of results: ? 25 reports were accepted as valid new records. ? 17 reports were not accepted. No species were added to the official Washington state list. The state checklist remains at 523 species, including 511 species fully accredited (supported by specimen, photograph, or recording) and 12 species which are sight-only records (supported only by written documentation). Key: Votes in parentheses (# accepted ? # not accepted ? # abstain) [Notations: w = written notes, p=photo, v = video, a = audio, s = sketch] ACCEPTED RECORDS BESW-2023-1, Bewick's Tundra Swan ? 4 May 2023, Saltese Flats, Spokane, Spokane County. Micah Anderson [p] (7-0-0). COHU-2023-1, Costa's Hummingbird ? 2-5 June 2023, Wenas Campground, Wenas, Yakima County. Michael Hobbs [w], Carol Kohler [p] (7-0-0). UPSA-2023-1, Upland Sandpiper ? 19 August 2023, Hobuck Beach, Neah Bay, Clallam County. Ryan Shaw [w], Charlie Wright (6-0-1). BHGU-2023-1, Black-headed Gull ? 7-10 April 2023, Dumas Bay Natural Area, King County. Carl Haynie [w, p, v] (7-0-0). LAGU-2023-2, Laughing Gull ? 17-18 May 2023, Sand Island NA Preserve, Grays Harbor County. Zak Pohlen [p] (7-0-0). SLBG-2023-2, Slaty-backed Gull ? 9 September 2023, off Discovery Park, Seattle, King County and Kitsap County. Raphael Fennimore [w, p, v], Greg Harrington [w, p], John Puschock [p] (7-0-0). WISP-2023-1, Wilson's Storm-Petrel ? 29 July 2023, Westport Pelagic, Pacific County. Liam Hutcheson [w], Andy DeBroux [p], Ryan Merrill [p] (7-0-0). SNEG-2023-1, Snowy Egret ? 23-25 April 2023, Swallows Park, Clarkston, Asotin County. Liam Hutcheson [w, p] (7-0-0). SNEG-2023-3, Snowy Egret ? 12 May 2023, Potholes Reservoir, Grant County. Kurtis Kuykendall [w] (7-0-0). SNEG-2023-4, Snowy Egret ? 15 May 2023, Ridgefield NWR, Carty Unit, Clark County. Thomas Tinsley [w] (7-0-0). WTKI-2023-3, White-tailed Kite ? 2-5 May 2023, Berwick Creek at Rush Rd., Napavine, Lewis County. Christopher Clark [w, p], Liam Hutcheson [w, p] (7-0-0). WTKI-2023-4, White-tailed Kite ? 6 May 2023, Samish Flats, Bayview Edison & Samish Island Rd., Skagit County. Paul Anderson [w, p], David Poortinga [p] (7-0-0). STFL-2023-1, Scissor-tailed Flycatcher ? 1-2 May 2023, Wawona Ave SW, Ocean Shores, Grays Harbor County. Liam Hutcheson [w, p], Virginia Walaitis [w], Jordan Gunn [p] (7-0-0). EAPH-2023-2, Eastern Phoebe ? 1 June 2023, Westside Calispell Rd n of McKenzie, Pend Oreille County. Jon Isacoff [w, p, a] (7-0-0). YTVI-2023-1, Yellow-throated Vireo ? 11 June 2023, Jetty Road, Neah Bay, Clallam County. Liam Hutcheson [w, p, a], Jason Vassallo [p, a] (7-0-0). PHVI-2023-1, Philadelphia Vireo ? 13 September 2023, La Push, Clallam County. Alex Lamoreaux [w, p], Mark Songer [w] (7-0-0). WHWA-2023-1, White Wagtail ? 8-9 September 2023, Goldendale STP, Klickitat County. Samuel Holman [w], Liam Hutcheson [p] (species vote: 7-0-0). Note: The WBRC also voted to accept the subspecies identification as lugens (subspecies vote: lugens = 6, abstain = 1). BRAM-2023-4, Brambling ? 26 March - 4 April 2023, Bryson Rd., Sauk Valley, Skagit County. Ryan Merrill [w, p] (7-0-0). SMLO-2023-1, Smith's Longspur ? 8 May 2023, Joint Base Lewis-McChord, Artillery Impact Area, Pierce County. Timothy Leque [w, p] (7-0-0). COGR-2023-1, Common Grackle ? 12 May 2023, Neah Bay, Clallam County. Jason Vassallo [p] (7-0-0). MAWA-2023-1, Magnolia Warbler ? 17 September 2023, Neah Bay, Clallam County. Liam Hutcheson [w] (6-1-0). BLBW-2023-1, Blackburnian Warbler ? 30-31 August 2023, Fishhook Park, Walla Walla County. Christopher Lindsey [w, p] (7-0-0). CAWA-2023-1, Canada Warbler ? 10-11 September 2023, Bennington Lake, Walla Walla, Walla Walla County. John Gunningham [w], Liam Hutcheson [w, p], Christopher Lindsey [w] (7-0-0). INBU-2023-1, Indigo Bunting ? 21 June - 1 July 2023, Marblemount boat launch, Skagit County. Liam Hutcheson [w, p, a], Joel Brady-Power [p], Kellie Sagen [p] (7-0-0). INBU-2023-2, Indigo Bunting ? 6-7 July 2023, Pearrygin Lake SP, Okanogan County. Kevin Craft [w, a] (6-1-0). REPORTS NOT ACCEPTED BHGU-2023-2, Black-headed Gull ? 21 April 2023, McNeil Trail, Pierce County (0-7-0). MAFR-2023-1, Magnificent Frigatebird ? 19 August 2023, Avery Rd., Wishram, Klickitat County (0-7-0). Note: Details not sufficient to accept to frig sp. SNEG-2023-2, Snowy Egret ? 11 May 2023, Home Acres Rd., Snohomish, Snohomish County (5-2-0). SNEG-2023-5, Snowy Egret ? 10 June 2023, Vancouver Lake, Vancouver, Clark County (0-7-0). SNEG-2023-6, Snowy Egret ? 29 August 2023, Rutherford Slough, Fall City, King County (0-7-0). WTKI-2023-1, White-tailed Kite ? 17 February 2023, US 101 (near Parpala Rd.), northwest of Naselle, Pacific County (2-5-0). WTKI-2023-2, White-tailed Kite ? 14 April 2023, Stanwood, Snohomish County (0-7-0). EAPH-2023-1, Eastern Phoebe ? 25 May 2023, Sinlahekin Wildlife Area ? Forde Lake, Okanogan County (0-7-0). EAPH-2023-3, Eastern Phoebe ? 19 June 2023, Mossyrock Park, Lewis County (0-6-1). YTVI-2023-2, Yellow-throated Vireo ? 7 July 2023, Mill Canyon, Lincoln County (2-5-0). BHVI-2023-1, Blue-headed Vireo ? 25 August 2023, Bassett Park, Washtucna, Adams County (3-4-0). BHVI-2023-2, Blue-headed Vireo ? 9 September 2023, Bassett Park, Washtucna, Adams County (1-6-0). PUFI-2023-1, Eastern Purple Finch ? 11 March 2023, Republic, Ferry County (0-5-2). OROR-2023-1, Orchard Oriole ? 8 August 2023, Timber Lana Village, Skykomish, King County (0-7-0). COGR-2023-2, Common Grackle ? 9 June 2023, Hwy 125/Dry Creek, Walla Walla, Walla Walla County (0-6-1). MOWA-2023-1, Mourning Warbler ? 25 August 2023, Bassett Park, Washtucna, Adams County (4-3-0). INBU-2023-3, Indigo Bunting ? 17 July 2023, Mt. St. Helens Science & Learning Center, Cowlitz County (0-7-0). Matt Bartels Secretary, WBRC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From avnacrs4birds at outlook.com Sun Nov 12 19:17:29 2023 From: avnacrs4birds at outlook.com (Denis DeSilvis) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Strange Icterid Message-ID: Tweeters, It turns out that several of you have seen a Red-winged Blackbird with a mutation much like the one I have in the yard. Few and far between but it's something that's out there to look for. 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URL: From dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 02:57:48 2023 From: dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com (Dan Reiff) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Hummingbirds' unique sideways flutter gets them through small apertures | ScienceDaily Message-ID: <7FAAFCC3-A0B2-4E45-91CB-C02E1B92DCCF@gmail.com> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/11/231109221506.htm Sent from my iPhone From dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 03:01:34 2023 From: dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com (Dan Reiff) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Hummingbirds' unique sideways flutter gets them through small apertures Message-ID: <99CC305E-940B-45D5-AEF8-2E13BDF2B73D@gmail.com> A better article that includes photos: https://phys.org/news/2023-11-hummingbirds-unique-sideways-flutter-small.html Sent from my iPhone From dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 03:02:29 2023 From: dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com (Dan Reiff) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Desert birds lay larger eggs when they have more helpers, research shows Message-ID: <9C537675-6F52-4B1A-905B-E3DF72564CE4@gmail.com> https://phys.org/news/2023-11-birds-lay-larger-eggs-helpers.html Sent from my iPhone From raphael.fennimore at gmail.com Mon Nov 13 08:48:14 2023 From: raphael.fennimore at gmail.com (Raphael Fennimore) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Depigmented (albino/leucistic) alcid in Puget Sound - a magnificent white bird!! Message-ID: To All Who Tweet, ?Call me Ishmael?, I guess - wow! On November 7th I saw an astounding **white alcid** fly in from the north with 5 or 6 Rhinoceros Auklets and land off of Discovery Park in Seattle! The bird was amazing - it was entirely white and creamy/tan off-white with no dark coloration on it anywhere that I could see when in flight and when it was on the water. I thought I saw that its bill was large and light as well, and my first thought had been that maybe it was a Tufted Puffin (insane as that sounds), but I did notice that the bird was the same size as the Rhinos it flew with - it was not substantially larger or smaller than them and I concluded that it was probably a Rhino. I reached for my camera but never saw this bird again - it either dove or flew, perhaps continuing south. I entered it as an ?alcid sp.? on my checklist and I messaged the King County Birding Chat group about it but figured that it was just ?one that got away?. 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W in wetland Seen by pilchuck Audubon group Phil Dickinson Sent from my iPhone From ghughes at ecoinst.org Wed Nov 15 11:38:52 2023 From: ghughes at ecoinst.org (Gavin Hughes) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] 2023 Puget Sound Shorebird Count Announcement Message-ID: Hi all, I am excited to announce that the Ecostudies Institute will once again be coordinating the annual Puget Sound Shorebird Count. This event is part of the Pacific Flyway Shorebird Survey , a long-term monitoring program for wintering shorebirds led by Point Blue Conservation Science. Join a vast network of volunteers and biologists along the Pacific Flyway that captures a snapshot of wintering shorebird abundance each year. The data gathered from these counts helps provide a better understanding of shorebird populations and the habitats they utilize along the Pacific Flyway, while allowing for the creation of more effective conservation management plans. In 2022, a record number of 32 volunteers surveyed 22 sites and counted a total of *27,567 shorebirds and 67 raptors*. Dunlins once again dominated the shorebird count with over 22,942 individuals sighted, while the raptor count was led by 46 Bald Eagles. After an initial review of tide predictions, we will be conducting the 2023 count on *Saturday, December 9th* across all sites, including Samish, Padilla, Fidalgo, Port Susan, and Skagit Bays and Whidbey Island. Our backup survey date will be *December 23rd* if the weather and tidal conditions on the 9th are not ideal. If you are interested and available to help with the survey, please fill out this Google Form indicating your interest and availability. We also recommend you review the protocols and other resources on our website and information about the Pacific Flyway Shorebird Survey. On the volunteer resources page, you will also find a recording of last year?s virtual training event, which would be highly beneficial to review. 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Both color and size seem not to be House Finches. Thank you. Candy Plant Sent from my iPhone From benedict.t at comcast.net Wed Nov 15 22:32:52 2023 From: benedict.t at comcast.net (Tom Benedict) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Common Goldeneye at Union, WA Message-ID: Don?t know if they are early or not, but I saw 3 male and 5 female Common Goldeneye on Hood Canal at Union, WA. Interestingly, two of the males were closely associated and were performing some "head throw? displays I normally see later in the winter/spring courtship season. Maybe they were practicing? Or tryin to intimidate one another? Is this early for south Hood Canal? I haven?t seen any Goldeneye in Puget Sound yet at Brown?s Point, Dumas Bay, Dash Point or Seahurst. Tom Benedict Seahurst, WA From wallography at gmail.com Thu Nov 16 10:58:15 2023 From: wallography at gmail.com (Nathan Wall) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Gray-Crowned Rosy-Finch Continues This Morning At Maple Leaf Park, Seattle Message-ID: Good morning all, For those of you not using eBird or one of the RBA group chats I thought it was worth mentioning that late yesterday afternoon I found a Gray-Crowned Rosy-Finch foraging contentedly on dandelions while walking my dog at the Maple Leaf Reservoir Park in Northeast Seattle. This morning the bird was refound by John Puschock and as of 10:06am was continuing in the tall grasses approximately here: (47.6898424, -122.3149739) providing great ongoing looks. This sighting may be redundant for those of you who chased the Edmonds birds but I think it is always wonderful to see this upland species in the lowlands! 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Highlights included continuing BARRED OWL around the Twin Barn Loop Trail, fly over of swans including FOY TUNDRA SWAN and TRUMPETER SWAN in the mix, nice looks of TOWNSEND'S WARBLER and SHARP-SHINNED HAWK on the Twin Barns Loop Trail, nice diversity of shorebirds, waterfowl and sparrows along the dike, a late WOOD DUCK and flushed AMERICAN BITTERN in the freshwater marsh, upwards of 4 EURASIAN WIGEON, and an afternoon sighting of the continuing red adult RED-SHOULDERED HAWK between the surge plain and Nisqually River. Overall we observed 79 species, with Tundra Swan being FOY, and we have seen 172 species thus far this year. See eBird list pasted below (some photos embedded). Until next week when we meet again at 8am, happy birding! Shep -- Shep Thorp Browns Point 253-370-3742 Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge, Olympia US-WA 47.07254, -122.71391, Thurston, Washington, US Nov 15, 2023 7:43 AM - 4:11 PM Protocol: Traveling 6.481 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. Mostly cloudy with temperatures in the 40?s to 50?s degrees Fahrenheit. A High 14?3? Tide at 7:28am and a Low 8?2? Tide at 12:53pm. Mammals seen Eastern Cotton-tailed Rabbit, Eastern Gray Squirrel, Harbor Seals, Sea Lions on barge wreck off DuPont, Townsend?s Chipmunk. 79 species (+8 other taxa) Cackling Goose (minima) 3000 Cackling Goose (Taverner's) 25 Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) 15 Trumpeter Swan 9 Tundra Swan (Whistling) 8 Trumpeter/Tundra Swan 20 Fly over. Wood Duck 1 Twin Barns and Freshwater Marsh Northern Shoveler 200 Gadwall 15 Eurasian Wigeon 4 Female at Twin Barns. Three males at McAllister Creek Observation Platform on incoming tide. American Wigeon 2000 Mallard 150 Northern Pintail 300 Green-winged Teal (American) 3500 Counted birds in groups of 100. Observed birds in flooded fields, surge plain, and tidal mudflats. Groups of mixed waterfowl, 1000 and more, individuals seen on surge plain north of dike, mudflats west of Leschi Slough, mudflats north along old dike footprint, and mudflats along Shannon slough. Additional waterfowl flying in and out of freshwater marsh and mudflats along the entrance road. An area of over 1000 acres. Ring-necked Duck 1 Visitor Center Pond. Surf Scoter 20 White-winged Scoter 1 Bufflehead 100 Common Goldeneye 4 Hooded Merganser 2 Red-breasted Merganser 25 Horned Grebe 12 Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon) 40 Mourning Dove 1 Anna's Hummingbird 2 Virginia Rail 1 American Coot 4 Semipalmated Plover 6 Southeast corner of Surge Plain. Long-billed Dowitcher 6 Wilson's Snipe 6 Northeast corner of flooded field just south of the old McAllister Creek Access Road. Spotted Sandpiper 1 West side of McAllister Creek Greater Yellowlegs 20 Dunlin 750 Least Sandpiper 30 Western Sandpiper 4 Mixed in with Dunlin Short-billed Gull 100 Ring-billed Gull 100 California Gull 1 Glaucous-winged Gull 2 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 5 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 20 gull sp. 200 Common Loon 3 Brandt's Cormorant 2 Nisqually Chanel Marker. Double-crested Cormorant 30 American Bittern 1 Flushed from freshwater marsh. Great Blue Heron 20 Osprey 1 Fly over in the afternoon around 3pm. Seen from the Orchard at 200 feet. Looked lightly demarcated, possible immature bird. Northern Harrier 3 Sharp-shinned Hawk 2 Bald Eagle 15 Red-shouldered Hawk 1 Continuing rarity. Adult plumage, distinctive red head, body and shoulders. Black wings with white spots. Black and white barred tail. Flew in to Riparian Forest just north of dike on the east side of the surge plain adjacent to Nisqually River. Seen at 2pm. Red-tailed Hawk 3 Barred Owl 2 Two reported by Ethan along the east side of the Twin Barns Loop Trail in the morning prior to 8am bickering. One relocated by group between Visitor Center and the west side of the Twin Barns Loop Trail in the afternoon at 4pm hunting. Belted Kingfisher 2 Downy Woodpecker 1 Hairy Woodpecker 2 Northern Flicker 2 Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 4 Northern Flicker (Yellow-shafted x Red-shafted) 2 Peregrine Falcon 1 falcon sp. 1 American Crow 100 Common Raven 5 Black-capped Chickadee 15 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 12 Bushtit 12 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 15 Golden-crowned Kinglet 30 Brown Creeper 4 Pacific Wren 6 Marsh Wren 6 Bewick's Wren 1 European Starling 200 Varied Thrush 4 American Robin 30 Pine Siskin 100 Fox Sparrow (Sooty) 4 Dark-eyed Junco (Oregon) 1 White-crowned Sparrow 2 Golden-crowned Sparrow 25 Song Sparrow 21 Lincoln's Sparrow 3 Heard and seen along the Nisqually Estuary Trail or dike with other sparrows. Spotted Towhee (oregonus Group) 6 Red-winged Blackbird 100 Yellow-rumped Warbler 4 Townsend's Warbler 2 Seen in a mixed flock with Chickadees along the northwest section of the Twin Barns Loop Trail around 9:30am. View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S154572707 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From birdmarymoor at frontier.com Thu Nov 16 13:04:42 2023 From: birdmarymoor at frontier.com (birdmarymoor) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park (Redmond, King Co.) 2023-11-16 References: <617899068.2524621.1700168682300.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <617899068.2524621.1700168682300@mail.yahoo.com> Tweets - while many of you may have had a gorgeous morning today, at Marymoor it was cold (31 degrees at 7:30) and FOGGY.? Again.? For a while, we could barely see the far side of the slough.? Somewhat birdy, but low on surprises. Highlights: ? ? Swans - Three silent birds as the fog cleared, presumably Trumpeters.? First swans of fall ? ? Common Merganser - Two flying towards the lake.? First in a month ? ? Hairy Woodpecker - One male, and later one female ? ? Merlin - Again ? ? Northern Shrike - East of the East Meadow - for the survey, First of Fall (FOF) ? ? Varied Thrush - Only seen in high fly-overs - three total ? ? White-crowned Sparrow - Singing "gambelli" subspecies? ???? A late scan of the lake turned up a WESTERN GREBE (FOF) Yesterday afternoon, I watched a SHORT-EARED OWL driven off by crows heading to their night roosts (FOF). Misses today included Green-winged Teal, Ring-necked Duck, Rock Pigeon, Short-billed Gull, Bushtit, Purple Finch, Lincoln's Sparrow, and Yellow-rumped Warbler. For the day, 52 species. = Michael Hobbs = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm ???? From avnacrs4birds at outlook.com Fri Nov 17 18:13:15 2023 From: avnacrs4birds at outlook.com (Denis DeSilvis) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Joint Base Lewis McChord (JBLM) Eagle's Pride Golf Course (GC) monthly bird walk - 11-16-2023 Message-ID: Hi Tweeters, Cool start (37deg - 44deg) for a nice hot birding day for the 20 of us at the JBLM Eagles Pride GC. Primo for us was a male PINE GROSBEAK (PIGR) that we first heard (what's that mechanical-sounding call?) and then saw at the top of a Douglas-fir. (We may have had a second PIGR, possibly a female or immature, but no positive ID on it.) The second notable sighting was the 10 (!) TOWNSEND'S WARBLERS in a flock. The PIGR, as you can well imagine, was a first for this birdwalk, but the Townsend's flock was as unexpected as the grosbeak. The JBLM Eagle's Pride GC birders meet the third Thursday of each month at 8:00AM except for November to February, when the start time changes to 9:00AM. Starting point is the Driving Range building, Eagle's Pride Golf Course, I-5 Exit 116, Mounts Road Exit. (Turn left immediately after entering the parking lot to take the road leading to the driving range building.) Upcoming walks include the following: * December 21 (start time - 9AM) * January 18 (start time - 9AM) * February 15 (start time - 9AM) >From the eBird PNW report: 35 species (+1 other taxa) Northern Shoveler 5 American Wigeon 10 Mallard 18 Green-winged Teal 2 Ring-necked Duck 5 Bufflehead 5 Hooded Merganser 1 Pied-billed Grebe 1 Anna's Hummingbird 1 Great Blue Heron 1 Red-breasted Sapsucker 1 Hairy Woodpecker 1 Downy/Hairy Woodpecker 1 Northern Flicker 5 Steller's Jay 18 California Scrub-Jay 2 American Crow 14 Black-capped Chickadee 18 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 24 Bushtit 27 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 3 Golden-crowned Kinglet 25 Red-breasted Nuthatch 5 Brown Creeper 3 Pacific Wren 8 Bewick's Wren 2 European Starling 8 Varied Thrush 8 American Robin 5 Pine Grosbeak 1 Large finch (Red-winged Blackbird/American Robin size) with straight bill, red crown and rump, quick scope view, repetitive call matching flight call. Possible second bird, female or immature, briefly spotted but no positive ID. Seen/heard by most of observers. Fox Sparrow 7 Dark-eyed Junco 40 Golden-crowned Sparrow 10 Song Sparrow 8 Spotted Towhee 3 Townsend's Warbler 10 Flocking together. View this checklist online at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS154651165&data=05%7C01%7C%7C51ee2bdaa6f043ab946808dbe7daeb95%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638358699664117024%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bDc%2B9QA9KntZC%2ByiZrN4mWFsJ3ugO4oMsf9zcr7LAP0%3D&reserved=0 May all your birds be identified, Denis Denis DeSilvis Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Monday Dec 4, Nick Bayard, Executive Director of BirdNote, will present, "BirdNote at 18: How One Powerful Idea Grew into a Global Storytelling Phenomenon.? Nick will offer a brief history and glimpse behind the scenes at BirdNote, our sensational PNW-born public radio program that seeks to inspire people to care about birds and the challenges they face. BirdNote reaches millions of regular listeners with compelling stories via radio (carried by more than 160 stations) and podcasts. Nick will also share what BirdNote has done to contribute to a more inclusive world for birding. This meeting will be conducted virtually, via Zoom (no in-person attendance). Sign-in will begin at 7:15 pm, and the meeting commences at 7:30 pm. Please go to the WOS Monthly Meetings page: https://wos.org/monthly-meetings/ for instructions on participation and to get the Zoom link. When joining the meeting, we ask that you mute your device and make certain that your camera is turned off. This meeting is open to all as WOS invites everyone in the wider birding community to attend. Thanks to the generosity of our presenters, recordings of past programs are available at the following link to the WOS YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@washingtonornithologicalso7839/videos If you are not yet a member of WOS, we hope you will consider becoming one at https://wos.org Please join us! Elaine Chuang WOS Program Support From deedeeknit at yahoo.com Sun Nov 19 22:06:11 2023 From: deedeeknit at yahoo.com (Dee Dee) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Sunday Special Yard Birds References: <8F4E5E9E-F351-422E-8EBD-F6F8F1347432.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F4E5E9E-F351-422E-8EBD-F6F8F1347432@yahoo.com> This past Sunday morning started with noticing a lovely White-throated Sparrow in our yard, before had even finished breakfast. Just the 2nd time seeing one as a yard-bird. Saw it off and on up through dusk. While standing by the window still pumped about that, a Varied Thrush at the far corner of the yard caught my eye. I should mention that last winter was my first time (in over 13 year?s living here) of seeing Varied Thrushes in my yard?first a male and a month or so later, a female?so its still a Big Deal to me to see them as yard birds. Coincidentally, there had been a beautiful male Varied Thrush in the yard the day before the first White-crowned Sparrow appeared on October 30th. Found it intriguing that on this Sunday the two unusual-in-my-yard species appeared simultaneously. About an hour later, saw a FOS Pine Siskin on a feeder with one of the regular goldfinches; not much later, I saw 2 siskins together. Had been wondering this Fall if this would be a non-siskin winter like last year, but was watching for them. If this is a precursor of a siskin-filled winter like those a few winters ago, I want to be prepared with extra seed! 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I suggest to not penetrate into the forest. I suggest to leave the nesting raptors alone, during the nesting season. Therefore, to answer your question, NG will be at the nest site, June through August. I stay out of the forest and look into and over the forest from afar, and treat raptors in the perspective of being a hawk watcher. Also, Cooper?s Hawks will nest in the same forest. Nelson Briefer ? goshawk specialist ? uneducated. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevechampton at gmail.com Mon Nov 20 18:45:11 2023 From: stevechampton at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Gray-crowned Rosy Finches in Port Townsend Message-ID: We'd been talking about the potential for this, and today Ali VandeGrift found two GRAY-CR ROSY FINCHES at Pt Wilson, Fort Warden State Park, out by the lighthouse. They were with a flock of 20 House Finches feeding in the weeds near the radar tower and buildings. Several of us managed to re-find one of them. Brian Ellis, unable to find them or the House Finches, made the decision to check Pt Hudson, over a mile away, and re-found one GCRF there. I suspect it's the same bird because we saw them make long flights in that direction. Their pics are better than mine, but here's mine: https://ebird.org/checklist/S154860959 good birding, -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emilyldowning at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 11:02:33 2023 From: emilyldowning at gmail.com (Emily Downing) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Request: birding tour for girl scouts Message-ID: Hi, Tweeters- Is anyone willing to give a group of girl scouts (ages 5-12) a birdwatching tour in the *Redmond/Duvall/Carnation area*? We are targeting a weekend in 2024. The tour would help our scouts learn more about nature and birds and contribute to them earning badges in STEM and conservation. Our ideal guide would identify as a woman, but we'll gratefully accept help from anyone who is willing to help! Unfortunately because of budget, we wouldn't be able to offer any payment other than showering you with praise and appreciation (which is extra valuable when coming from kids). If you're interested, please email me directly (emilyldowning@gmail.com) Thanks in advance! Emily -- Emily L. Downing Cell: 425-301-4743 Email: emilyldowning@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From festuca at comcast.net Tue Nov 21 14:38:06 2023 From: festuca at comcast.net (Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds Message-ID: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenbrownpls at comcast.net Tue Nov 21 16:33:07 2023 From: kenbrownpls at comcast.net (Kenneth Brown) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1467642376.311837.1700613187127@connect.xfinity.com> Thanks Jon, it was an interesting read, and certainly adds some perspective on the renaming issue. > On 11/21/2023 2:38 PM PST Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney wrote: > > > Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. I thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are 'anxiously' awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of birds that are named after People. > > "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to our conversation on Bird Names: > > "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" > > The article can be read at https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf > > Enjoy! > - Jon. Anderson > Olympia > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dennispaulson at comcast.net Tue Nov 21 17:00:34 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <1467642376.311837.1700613187127@connect.xfinity.com> References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> <1467642376.311837.1700613187127@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <71BC71A6-7774-404B-9BA9-E250A25CA7FC@comcast.net> I had never read this, and indeed it was very interesting. I have been involved in giving common names to close to 1000 dragonfly and damselfly species, and I can tell you that it?s a combination of hard work, great fun, and not a little frustration, as some of the species are very similar. Very few species had actual common names before a colleague and I coined them for all of the US/Canada, and then I went ahead and did so for all of Mexico and Central America and parts of South America. Another colleague and I have been working on English names for all the 6400 species in the world, but that?s a long way from finished. Most of the English-speaking countries have them now. There is no question that common/vernacular names are a good idea, as they seem to get a lot more amateur naturalists interested in a group when it has common names. I?ll admit I have done this with mixed emotions, as of course I know them by their scientific name, and I would have liked everyone with an interest in the group to learn them, many of which are evocative and elegant and most of which have interesting meanings in Latin or Greek. Wouldn?t Macromia taeniolata be more fun to say than Royal River Cruiser? And Falco peregrinus just as easy to learn as Peregrine Falcon? And Turdus migratorius good for a chuckle? Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Nov 21, 2023, at 4:33 PM, Kenneth Brown wrote: > > Thanks Jon, it was an interesting read, and certainly adds some perspective on the renaming issue. >> On 11/21/2023 2:38 PM PST Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney wrote: >> >> >> Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. I thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are 'anxiously' awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of birds that are named after People. >> >> "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to our conversation on Bird Names: >> >> "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" >> >> The article can be read at https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf >> >> Enjoy! >> - Jon. Anderson >> Olympia > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emilyldowning at gmail.com Tue Nov 21 20:46:30 2023 From: emilyldowning at gmail.com (Emily Downing) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Request: birding tour for girl scouts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you, wonderful birding friends. A few volunteer guides came forward and our troop is all set for a birdwatching trip this Spring! Gratefully, Emily On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 11:02?AM Emily Downing wrote: > Hi, Tweeters- > > Is anyone willing to give a group of girl scouts (ages 5-12) a > birdwatching tour in the *Redmond/Duvall/Carnation area*? We are > targeting a weekend in 2024. > > The tour would help our scouts learn more about nature and birds and > contribute to them earning badges in STEM and conservation. > > Our ideal guide would identify as a woman, but we'll gratefully accept > help from anyone who is willing to help! Unfortunately because of budget, > we wouldn't be able to offer any payment other than showering you with > praise and appreciation (which is extra valuable when coming from kids). > > If you're interested, please email me directly (emilyldowning@gmail.com) > > Thanks in advance! > Emily > > -- > Emily L. Downing > > Cell: 425-301-4743 > Email: emilyldowning@gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From baro at pdx.edu Tue Nov 21 20:52:26 2023 From: baro at pdx.edu (Robert O'Brien) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: A related perspective. My wife has a plant nursery and we, like most dedicated gardeners, seem to have little problem in learning the Latin Name plus the common name of a subspecies or of a cultivar (cultivated variety). A pine found by an Elk Hunter in the Wallowa Mtns and extensively propagated (but still quite expensive) is a normal bright green in summer like any other Lodgepole Pine, but in winter turns to a brilliant gold. This is not fall color, the same needles are changing colors seasonally back and forth. it was named for Chief Joseph, a later (than the trees) inhabitant of these mountains.. *Pinus contorta latifolia* 'Chief Joseph'. Lodgepole Pine. There are many thousands of these in cultivation today, all propagated by grafting from this one fantastic 'find'. Grafts of grafts, etc. A genetic modification. Such varieties cannot be propagated by seed as they don't come true. Only vegetatively. Before 1959 it was fashionable to give a cultivated variety a latin name. This might have named the above pine *Pinus contorta latifolia* 'Aurea'.. After 1959 such use of Latin for newly named cultivated varieties was outlawed, as was the use of cv. to indicate a cultivar. The initials cv. are now just assumed in the name. Anyhow my main point is that a great many 'plant people' are quite happy using Latin names. As for me I'm quite happy with English names for birds. But I have my limits. Siberian Tit (mostly a far northern Eurasian resident) was changed to Gray-headed Chickadee. Arggg. Later, Blue-throated Hummingbird was changed by the same group to Blue-throated Mountain-gem. Double Argg-Argg. (I don't know the latin word for Argggg) Bob OBrien Portland On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 3:13?PM Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney < festuca@comcast.net> wrote: > Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. I > thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are 'anxiously' > awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of birds that are > named after People. > > "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow > Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a > power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. > The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of > just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to > our conversation on Bird Names: > > "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be > formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, > and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from > season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from > century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the > country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" > > The article can be read at > https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf > > Enjoy! > - Jon. 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Last seen by us at about 9:15. Others looking may have re-located. It was loosely associated with a flock of GCSP/WCSP. https://maps.app.goo.gl/f1mYMcrpEqbxMecr8?g_st=i Mason Flint Bellevue -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1northraven at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 12:52:58 2023 From: 1northraven at gmail.com (J Christian Kessler) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Ludlow Griscom?s article is interesting, and makes some good points, but it essentially boils down to two thoughts: Perfection is impossible as we don?t ? and probably will never - know a comprehensive and accurate taxonomy of birds. Both scientific understanding and common naming are so muddled as to be beyond repair. Birders can learn Linnean binomials as well as they can learn English ?common names.? As to the first, I totally agree. One thing biology has proven over the past century is that a ?correct? taxonomy of Aves ? or any class ? is a constantly shifting target. Any class is a tree with many tangles, or worse. Olympic Gull is but one example. Even a species like Chat is in some respects anomalous. ?Best current judgement? is a useful criterion ? ?perfect? is not. As to whether birders can or should learn and use Linnean binomials, common English language names are for more than avocationally intense birders. A much wider audience is involved here. For example, I frequently hear ?backyard birders? and others refer to our local jay as a ?blue jay? rather than Steller?s Jay. They never heard of Georg Steller, don?t care, and just know the jay had a blue body. But Black-headed Jay would be a name they are more likely to remember and use. Cyanocitta stelleri is gibberish and tells them nothing. And it doesn?t tell us serious birders much either ? it?s just the same name with more syllables for "jay". Many people, including most birders, I suspect, are always going to use English language names for birds. Many of us started as kids finding birds interesting; ?Mom, I saw a jay? versus ?Mom, I saw a Cyanocitta.? We can make common bird names more friendly, and sometimes more enlightening, while understanding that ?always getting it right? is aspirational. Chris Kessler, Seattle On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:38?PM Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney < festuca@comcast.net> wrote: > Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. I > thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are 'anxiously' > awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of birds that are > named after People. > > "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow > Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a > power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. > The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of > just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to > our conversation on Bird Names: > > "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be > formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, > and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from > season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from > century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the > country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" > > The article can be read at > https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf > > Enjoy! > - Jon. Anderson > Olympia > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- "moderation in everything, including moderation" Rustin Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nreiferb at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 13:16:06 2023 From: nreiferb at gmail.com (Nelson Briefer) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds Message-ID: I know the Union of Ornithologists are not going to appreciate my renaming of the the Goshawk as? Common Northern Goshawk. Nelson Briefer? Anacortes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dennispaulson at comcast.net Wed Nov 22 13:48:04 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Chris, I can?t disagree with you strongly about any of this, except perhaps about one point. I don?t think Cyanocitta stelleri is gibberish at all, or at least no more than ?blue jay? would be gibberish to someone in Brazil or China. In fact, it is just as meaningful as any name given to anything and actually tells us quite a bit. It contains ?cyano, Greek for dark blue, and ?citta,? Greek for a chattering bird (also used for jays), and thus it means ?Steller?s blue jay.? Someone giving common names to the species of Cyanocitta right now might have come up with Eastern Blue Jay and Steller?s Blue Jay for our two common North American species, in accord with a lot of current attempts to show relationships by vernacular names. That?s what we did with dragonfly names as much as possible. ?Cristata? means crested, by the way, so I suppose the eastern one could have been called Crested Blue Jay, but that wouldn?t differentiate it from Steller?s. And I think at least some kids would think it was the greatest fun to learn scientific names, if they were encouraged to do so. I did it long ago just because I wanted to know what all those Latin and Greek names meant. I never studied the Classics in college, but I have learned so much in my love of scientific names. And when those 142 eponyms are replaced by something else, I hope the people doing so will know exactly what the scientific names of every one of those species mean, as that can be very helpful when coining a common names. Finally, what a shame to relegate Steller to the trash heap, so no birder in the future is ever prompted to try to learn just who that person was and what he did?for better or worse. Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:52 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ludlow Griscom?s article is interesting, and makes some good points, but it essentially boils down to two thoughts: > Perfection is impossible as we don?t ? and probably will never - know a comprehensive and accurate taxonomy of birds. Both scientific understanding and common naming are so muddled as to be beyond repair. > Birders can learn Linnean binomials as well as they can learn English ?common names.? > > As to the first, I totally agree. One thing biology has proven over the past century is that a ?correct? taxonomy of Aves ? or any class ? is a constantly shifting target. Any class is a tree with many tangles, or worse. Olympic Gull is but one example. Even a species like Chat is in some respects anomalous. ?Best current judgement? is a useful criterion ? ?perfect? is not. > > As to whether birders can or should learn and use Linnean binomials, common English language names are for more than avocationally intense birders. A much wider audience is involved here. For example, I frequently hear ?backyard birders? and others refer to our local jay as a ?blue jay? rather than Steller?s Jay. They never heard of Georg Steller, don?t care, and just know the jay had a blue body. But Black-headed Jay would be a name they are more likely to remember and use. Cyanocitta stelleri is gibberish and tells them nothing. And it doesn?t tell us serious birders much either ? it?s just the same name with more syllables for "jay". > > Many people, including most birders, I suspect, are always going to use English language names for birds. Many of us started as kids finding birds interesting; ?Mom, I saw a jay? versus ?Mom, I saw a Cyanocitta.? We can make common bird names more friendly, and sometimes more enlightening, while understanding that ?always getting it right? is aspirational. > > Chris Kessler, > Seattle > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:38?PM Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney > wrote: > Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. I thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are 'anxiously' awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of birds that are named after People. > > "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to our conversation on Bird Names: > > "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" > > The article can be read at https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf > > Enjoy! > - Jon. Anderson > Olympia > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevechampton at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 15:24:52 2023 From: stevechampton at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: I agree that scientific names can present an obstacle for the general public, especially for children and for communication of conservation issues. I also agree they can tell us a lot about a species. About a third of the birds with eponyms have descriptive latin names (usually because their honorific name was given to them later, not by the first describer). For example, Wilson's Warbler was given the scientific name pusilla (tiny). Wilson himself called it the Black-capped Green Flycatcher. A couple years ago, in a hypothetical exercise, I made a list of about 80 common North American species with honorific names, and looked at what their scientific name means, and listed some of their historical names and what their names mean in other languages, thus providing a list of alternative names for each of them. That list is here: *The fun part: New bird names * https://thecottonwoodpost.net/2022/05/14/the-fun-part-new-bird-names/ good birding, On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 1:49?PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > Chris, I can?t disagree with you strongly about any of this, except > perhaps about one point. I don?t think *Cyanocitta stelleri *is gibberish > at all, or at least no more than ?blue jay? would be gibberish to someone > in Brazil or China. In fact, it is just as meaningful as any name given to > anything and actually tells us quite a bit. It contains ?cyano, Greek for > dark blue, and ?citta,? Greek for a chattering bird (also used for jays), > and thus it means ?Steller?s blue jay.? > > Someone giving common names to the species of *Cyanocitta* right now > might have come up with Eastern Blue Jay and Steller?s Blue Jay for our two > common North American species, in accord with a lot of current attempts to > show relationships by vernacular names. That?s what we did with dragonfly > names as much as possible. ?Cristata? means crested, by the way, so I > suppose the eastern one could have been called Crested Blue Jay, but that > wouldn?t differentiate it from Steller?s. > > And I think at least some kids would think it was the greatest fun to > learn scientific names, if they were encouraged to do so. I did it long ago > just because I wanted to know what all those Latin and Greek names meant. I > never studied the Classics in college, but I have learned so much in my > love of scientific names. > > And when those 142 eponyms are replaced by something else, I hope the > people doing so will know exactly what the scientific names of every one of > those species mean, as that can be very helpful when coining a common names. > > Finally, what a shame to relegate Steller to the trash heap, so no birder > in the future is ever prompted to try to learn just who that person was and > what he did?for better or worse. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:52 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Ludlow Griscom?s article is interesting, and makes some good points, but > it essentially boils down to two thoughts: > Perfection is impossible as we don?t ? and probably will never - know a > comprehensive and accurate taxonomy of birds. Both scientific > understanding and common naming are so muddled as to be beyond repair. > Birders can learn Linnean binomials as well as they can learn English > ?common names.? > > > As to the first, I totally agree. One thing biology has proven over the > past century is that a ?correct? taxonomy of Aves ? or any class ? is a > constantly shifting target. Any class is a tree with many tangles, or > worse. Olympic Gull is but one example. Even a species like Chat is in > some respects anomalous. ?Best current judgement? is a useful criterion > ? ?perfect? is not. > > > As to whether birders can or should learn and use Linnean binomials, > common English language names are for more than avocationally intense > birders. A much wider audience is involved here. For example, I > frequently hear ?backyard birders? and others refer to our local jay as a > ?blue jay? rather than Steller?s Jay. They never heard of Georg Steller, > don?t care, and just know the jay had a blue body. But Black-headed Jay > would be a name they are more likely to remember and use. Cyanocitta > stelleri is gibberish and tells them nothing. And it doesn?t tell us > serious birders much either ? it?s just the same name with more syllables > for "jay". > > > Many people, including most birders, I suspect, are always going to use > English language names for birds. Many of us started as kids finding birds > interesting; ?Mom, I saw a jay? versus ?Mom, I saw a Cyanocitta.? We > can make common bird names more friendly, and sometimes more enlightening, > while understanding that ?always getting it right? is aspirational. > > Chris Kessler, > Seattle > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:38?PM Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney < > festuca@comcast.net> wrote: > >> Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. >> I thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are >> 'anxiously' awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of >> birds that are named after People. >> >> "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow >> Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a >> power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. >> The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of >> just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to >> our conversation on Bird Names: >> >> "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be >> formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, >> and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from >> season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from >> century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the >> country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" >> >> The article can be read at >> https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf >> >> Enjoy! >> - Jon. Anderson >> Olympia >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- ?Steve Hampton? Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1northraven at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 16:19:38 2023 From: 1northraven at gmail.com (J Christian Kessler) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Dennis -- when I wrote "just gibberish" I should have qualified to refer to the many English speakers (only) would just call it by what they see - a blue jay. and actually for many, deciphering the Latin & sometimes Greek roots is more they are inclined - or maybe - know how to do. let's not assume all come from areas or families where good educations or such opportunities are readily available or encouraged. There are kids living not so far from us who lack the tools, opportunities, or encouragement to follow your example. At least to me, what individual species are or are not called in other spoken languages is not part of this debate. For all I know, non-European root cultures don't name birds - or other organisms - after people. To the extent that is true, good for them. as to relegating Georg Steller "to the trash heap" I could not agree more. and while Steller was an exemplary man, we should not relegate Audubon or the other "bad" or "immoral" ones to the trash heap either -- just know more about all sides of them. the part of "bird names for birds" that offends me is that it sometimes seems to be about erasing the many who made some good contributions along with bad or even evil contributions. We should not forget those negative things - those deeds too are sadly part of our heritage. And those who did them should not be forgiven, but neither should they be erased. Chris Kessler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From birdmarymoor at frontier.com Wed Nov 22 16:28:18 2023 From: birdmarymoor at frontier.com (birdmarymoor) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park (Redmond, King Co.) 2023-11-22 References: <1646213769.3841085.1700699298876.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1646213769.3841085.1700699298876@mail.yahoo.com> Tweets ? We had a fabulous day at Marymoor today.? The weather was as good as it gets in late November, maybe better.? No wind or precipitation, a very little fog that formed late and cleared early, and temps in the high 40?s!? Only downer was that we did have to deal with flocks of falling leaves... ? Highlights: ??? Northern Shoveler ? Five flew down the slough ? First for 2023 (FOY) ??? American Wigeon ? Two flew down the slough.? We usually only see them when the park is flooded, which it is not right now ??? Western Grebe ? Three seen well from the Lake Platform ??? Short-billed Gull ? One on the grass fields with other gulls.? First of Fall (FOF) ??? Sharp-shinned Hawk ? One near the weir (FOF) ??? Northern Saw-whet Owl ? One replied to calls around 6:10 a.m.? (FOF) ??? Hermit Thrush ? Tony saw one in a bush in the Dog Meadow ??? White-throated Sparrow ? Drab individual near 3rd Dog Swim Beach ???? ? ? ROSE-BREASTED GROSBEAK ? Female/juvenile just north of the pea gravel path that cuts across the south end of the Dog Meadow.? Marymoor First ! ? The RBGR was in the trees at the corner of that pea gravel path and the bark path along the west side of the Dog Meadow, in amongst a couple of dozen Golden-crowned Sparrows.? It seemed only slightly larger than the GCSPs.? It called a few times, which is what drew me over to that tree.? It flew around a little bit to other bushes to the north, but was last seen flying east from the original tree.? This is the 244th species of bird for Marymoor Park, and the first new species for the park list since the Harris?s Sparrow last year.? Photos of the bird can be seen on eBird. ? Misses today included Common Merganser, Brown Creeper, Purple Finch, American Goldfinch, and Red-winged Blackbird. ? For the day, 54 species. ? = Michael Hobbs = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com From dennispaulson at comcast.net Wed Nov 22 16:38:38 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <1DC47924-8807-485B-9497-1B583685C46E@comcast.net> Steve, that?s an erudite and entertaining blog post and should be read by all interested birders. I do have one bone to pick with you, though. By ignoring the genera, you didn?t really translate the scientific names. Chaetura vauxi is not Vaux?s Swift, it?s Vaux?s Spinetail. Aechmophorus clarkii is not Clark?s Grebe, it?s Clark?s Swordbearer. Polysticta stelleri is actually Steller?s Manyspot. Bucephala islandica is Iceland Bullhead, Phalaropus tricolor is Tricolored Cootfoot, and the other two phalaropes are Lobed Cootfoot and Cootlike Cootfoot. Rhodostethia rosea is Rosy Redbreast. Members of the genus Selasphorus are brightness-bearers, although I don?t know what sasin, the species name of Allen?s, means. I could go on and on, but hopefully you see my point. The determination to change so many names is widespread in the North American birding community, but I wonder if anyone has thought about all the other birds in the world with honorific names, not to mention all the other plants and animals. There are thousands of them. Goodbye Douglas-fir. Goodbye Engelmann Spruce. Goodbye Brown-eyed Susan and Sweet William? Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Nov 22, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Steve Hampton wrote: > > I agree that scientific names can present an obstacle for the general public, especially for children and for communication of conservation issues. I also agree they can tell us a lot about a species. About a third of the birds with eponyms have descriptive latin names (usually because their honorific name was given to them later, not by the first describer). For example, Wilson's Warbler was given the scientific name pusilla (tiny). Wilson himself called it the Black-capped Green Flycatcher. > > A couple years ago, in a hypothetical exercise, I made a list of about 80 common North American species with honorific names, and looked at what their scientific name means, and listed some of their historical names and what their names mean in other languages, thus providing a list of alternative names for each of them. That list is here: > > The fun part: New bird names > https://thecottonwoodpost.net/2022/05/14/the-fun-part-new-bird-names/ > > good birding, > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 1:49?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: > Chris, I can?t disagree with you strongly about any of this, except perhaps about one point. I don?t think Cyanocitta stelleri is gibberish at all, or at least no more than ?blue jay? would be gibberish to someone in Brazil or China. In fact, it is just as meaningful as any name given to anything and actually tells us quite a bit. It contains ?cyano, Greek for dark blue, and ?citta,? Greek for a chattering bird (also used for jays), and thus it means ?Steller?s blue jay.? > > Someone giving common names to the species of Cyanocitta right now might have come up with Eastern Blue Jay and Steller?s Blue Jay for our two common North American species, in accord with a lot of current attempts to show relationships by vernacular names. That?s what we did with dragonfly names as much as possible. ?Cristata? means crested, by the way, so I suppose the eastern one could have been called Crested Blue Jay, but that wouldn?t differentiate it from Steller?s. > > And I think at least some kids would think it was the greatest fun to learn scientific names, if they were encouraged to do so. I did it long ago just because I wanted to know what all those Latin and Greek names meant. I never studied the Classics in college, but I have learned so much in my love of scientific names. > > And when those 142 eponyms are replaced by something else, I hope the people doing so will know exactly what the scientific names of every one of those species mean, as that can be very helpful when coining a common names. > > Finally, what a shame to relegate Steller to the trash heap, so no birder in the future is ever prompted to try to learn just who that person was and what he did?for better or worse. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > >> On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:52 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Ludlow Griscom?s article is interesting, and makes some good points, but it essentially boils down to two thoughts: >> Perfection is impossible as we don?t ? and probably will never - know a comprehensive and accurate taxonomy of birds. Both scientific understanding and common naming are so muddled as to be beyond repair. >> Birders can learn Linnean binomials as well as they can learn English ?common names.? >> >> As to the first, I totally agree. One thing biology has proven over the past century is that a ?correct? taxonomy of Aves ? or any class ? is a constantly shifting target. Any class is a tree with many tangles, or worse. Olympic Gull is but one example. Even a species like Chat is in some respects anomalous. ?Best current judgement? is a useful criterion ? ?perfect? is not. >> >> As to whether birders can or should learn and use Linnean binomials, common English language names are for more than avocationally intense birders. A much wider audience is involved here. For example, I frequently hear ?backyard birders? and others refer to our local jay as a ?blue jay? rather than Steller?s Jay. They never heard of Georg Steller, don?t care, and just know the jay had a blue body. But Black-headed Jay would be a name they are more likely to remember and use. Cyanocitta stelleri is gibberish and tells them nothing. And it doesn?t tell us serious birders much either ? it?s just the same name with more syllables for "jay". >> >> Many people, including most birders, I suspect, are always going to use English language names for birds. Many of us started as kids finding birds interesting; ?Mom, I saw a jay? versus ?Mom, I saw a Cyanocitta.? We can make common bird names more friendly, and sometimes more enlightening, while understanding that ?always getting it right? is aspirational. >> >> Chris Kessler, >> Seattle >> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:38?PM Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney > wrote: >> Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. I thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are 'anxiously' awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of birds that are named after People. >> >> "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to our conversation on Bird Names: >> >> "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" >> >> The article can be read at https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf >> >> Enjoy! >> - Jon. 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URL: From stevechampton at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 17:12:59 2023 From: stevechampton at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <1DC47924-8807-485B-9497-1B583685C46E@comcast.net> References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> <1DC47924-8807-485B-9497-1B583685C46E@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dennis, Brilliant examples regarding the genus names! There are some gems there. Sasin is Nuu-chah-nulth (Nootka) for hummingbird. When Allen's and Rufous got split, sasin went to California with Allen's and Rufous got rufus. Go figure. Indigenous words were often subject to mix up, though none so glaring as Inca Dove for a bird that largely lives in Mexico! Pipixcan (for Franklin's Gull) is Nahuatl (Aztec) for "gull." That's a bit of a stretch for that species' range, though Franklin is hardly better - he was an Arctic explorer. I'm still waiting for a pub trivia night about bird names! I was one of the members of the Ad Hoc Committee on English Bird Names that made the recommendations to the AOS Council. I encourage people to look at our report to them, especially pages 11-19. It's at https://americanornithology.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/1-AOS-EBNC_recommendations_23_10_19.pdf I don't know their timeline, but the basic plan is to have a new committee oversee a process that will involve the public in suggesting new names. I've seen some wonderful creative suggestions online, and I hope this becomes an opportunity for more people to learn about birds. good birding, On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 4:39?PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > Steve, that?s an erudite and entertaining blog post and should be read by > all interested birders. I do have one bone to pick with you, though. By > ignoring the genera, you didn?t really translate the scientific names. > > *Chaetura vauxi* is not Vaux?s Swift, it?s Vaux?s Spinetail. *Aechmophorus > clarkii* is not Clark?s Grebe, it?s Clark?s Swordbearer. *Polysticta > stelleri* is actually Steller?s Manyspot. *Bucephala islandica* is > Iceland Bullhead, *Phalaropus tricolor* is Tricolored Cootfoot, and the > other two phalaropes are Lobed Cootfoot and Cootlike Cootfoot. *Rhodostethia > rosea* is Rosy Redbreast. Members of the genus *Selasphorus* are > brightness-bearers, although I don?t know what *sasin*, the species name > of Allen?s, means. I could go on and on, but hopefully you see my point. > > The determination to change so many names is widespread in the North > American birding community, but I wonder if anyone has thought about all > the other birds in the world with honorific names, not to mention all the > other plants and animals. There are thousands of them. Goodbye Douglas-fir. > Goodbye Engelmann Spruce. Goodbye Brown-eyed Susan and Sweet William? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Nov 22, 2023, at 3:24 PM, Steve Hampton > wrote: > > I agree that scientific names can present an obstacle for the general > public, especially for children and for communication of conservation > issues. I also agree they can tell us a lot about a species. About a third > of the birds with eponyms have descriptive latin names (usually because > their honorific name was given to them later, not by the first describer). > For example, Wilson's Warbler was given the scientific name pusilla (tiny). > Wilson himself called it the Black-capped Green Flycatcher. > > A couple years ago, in a hypothetical exercise, I made a list of about 80 > common North American species with honorific names, and looked at what > their scientific name means, and listed some of their historical names and > what their names mean in other languages, thus providing a list of > alternative names for each of them. That list is here: > > *The fun part: New bird names > * > https://thecottonwoodpost.net/2022/05/14/the-fun-part-new-bird-names/ > > good birding, > > > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 1:49?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: > >> Chris, I can?t disagree with you strongly about any of this, except >> perhaps about one point. I don?t think *Cyanocitta stelleri *is >> gibberish at all, or at least no more than ?blue jay? would be gibberish to >> someone in Brazil or China. In fact, it is just as meaningful as any name >> given to anything and actually tells us quite a bit. It contains ?cyano, >> Greek for dark blue, and ?citta,? Greek for a chattering bird (also used >> for jays), and thus it means ?Steller?s blue jay.? >> >> Someone giving common names to the species of *Cyanocitta* right now >> might have come up with Eastern Blue Jay and Steller?s Blue Jay for our two >> common North American species, in accord with a lot of current attempts to >> show relationships by vernacular names. That?s what we did with dragonfly >> names as much as possible. ?Cristata? means crested, by the way, so I >> suppose the eastern one could have been called Crested Blue Jay, but that >> wouldn?t differentiate it from Steller?s. >> >> And I think at least some kids would think it was the greatest fun to >> learn scientific names, if they were encouraged to do so. I did it long ago >> just because I wanted to know what all those Latin and Greek names meant. I >> never studied the Classics in college, but I have learned so much in my >> love of scientific names. >> >> And when those 142 eponyms are replaced by something else, I hope the >> people doing so will know exactly what the scientific names of every one of >> those species mean, as that can be very helpful when coining a common names. >> >> Finally, what a shame to relegate Steller to the trash heap, so no birder >> in the future is ever prompted to try to learn just who that person was and >> what he did?for better or worse. >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> >> On Nov 22, 2023, at 12:52 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Ludlow Griscom?s article is interesting, and makes some good points, but >> it essentially boils down to two thoughts: >> Perfection is impossible as we don?t ? and probably will never - know a >> comprehensive and accurate taxonomy of birds. Both scientific >> understanding and common naming are so muddled as to be beyond repair. >> Birders can learn Linnean binomials as well as they can learn English >> ?common names.? >> >> >> As to the first, I totally agree. One thing biology has proven over the >> past century is that a ?correct? taxonomy of Aves ? or any class ? is a >> constantly shifting target. Any class is a tree with many tangles, or >> worse. Olympic Gull is but one example. Even a species like Chat is in >> some respects anomalous. ?Best current judgement? is a useful criterion >> ? ?perfect? is not. >> >> >> As to whether birders can or should learn and use Linnean binomials, >> common English language names are for more than avocationally intense >> birders. A much wider audience is involved here. For example, I >> frequently hear ?backyard birders? and others refer to our local jay as a >> ?blue jay? rather than Steller?s Jay. They never heard of Georg >> Steller, don?t care, and just know the jay had a blue body. But >> Black-headed Jay would be a name they are more likely to remember and use. >> Cyanocitta stelleri is gibberish and tells them nothing. And it doesn?t >> tell us serious birders much either ? it?s just the same name with more >> syllables for "jay". >> >> >> Many people, including most birders, I suspect, are always going to use >> English language names for birds. Many of us started as kids finding birds >> interesting; ?Mom, I saw a jay? versus ?Mom, I saw a Cyanocitta.? We >> can make common bird names more friendly, and sometimes more enlightening, >> while understanding that ?always getting it right? is aspirational. >> >> Chris Kessler, >> Seattle >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 2:38?PM Jon. Anderson and Marty Chaney < >> festuca@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>> Bob Righter from Denver posted this on the Colorado birding chat group. >>> I thought it might be an interesting read for those of us who are >>> 'anxiously' awaiting action from the AOS on revising the Common Names of >>> birds that are named after People. >>> >>> "From chatter on the internet emerges an interesting article by Ludlow >>> Griscom written in 1947 ?Common Sense in Common names.? Griscom, was a >>> power house in the early 1900s and greatly influenced Roger Tory Peterson. >>> The full article can be accessed through Google. I?ve taken the liberty of >>> just featuring the last paragraph which I thought was the most poignant to >>> our conversation on Bird Names: >>> >>> "NO ?simple and logical principles? for vernacular nomenclature can be >>> formulated. There are far too many birds; their variations, relationships, >>> and ranges are not simple or logical. Their habits and habitats change from >>> season to season, from one section of the continent to another, from >>> century to century. Which season, which habitat, which section of the >>> country is to be the basis for the ?appropriate or associative? name?" >>> >>> The article can be read at >>> https://sora.unm.edu/sites/default/files/journals/wilson/v059n03/p0131-p0138.pdf >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> - Jon. Anderson >>> Olympia >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> >> >> >> -- >> "moderation in everything, including moderation" >> Rustin Thompson >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > ?Steve Hampton? > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > -- ?Steve Hampton? Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Philip Zalesky?s original site descriptions have been revised and updated, including new observations, recent sightings, and historical and natural history information. Our local birders have added their own interesting anecdotes, including the many ways things have changed since the 2nd edition was published in 2001. Local bird photographers have contributed over 100 full-color photographs showing the splendor of our local birds and the wondrous beauty of the birding habitats found in our area. A checklist includes all 355 species of birds ever sighted in Snohomish County and Camano Island. We hope this book will guide you to new areas you haven?t explored yet, or give you an idea of where to start if you?re visiting Western Washington*. Learn more about the book on our website: https://www.pilchuckaudubon.org/our-store Currently offering 15% off on pre-sale orders before December 4th, just use discount code EARLYBIRD15 at checkout. Cheers, Brian -- [image: Logo] Brian Zinke Executive Director phone: (425) 232-6811 email: director@pilchuckaudubon.org Pilchuck Audubon Society 1429 Avenue D, PMB 198, Snohomish, WA 98290 [image: Facebook icon] [image: Twitter icon] [image: Instagram icon] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shepthorp at gmail.com Wed Nov 22 20:26:37 2023 From: shepthorp at gmail.com (Shep Thorp) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Wednesday Walk at Billy Frank Jr Nisqually NWR for 11/22/2023 Message-ID: Dear Tweets, Approximately 30 of us enjoyed a dry, cool, breezy day at the Refuge with temperatures in the 40's to 50's degrees Fahrenheit and a High 14'5" Tide at 1:25pm. Highlights included numerous VARIED THRUSH and an Intergrade NORTHERN FLICKER in the Orchard, WILSON SNIPE in the flooded fields west of the Access Road along the west side parking lot, LONG-BILLED DOWITCHERS in the surge plain north of the dike, WHITE-THROATED SPARROW in the bramble just before Leschi Slough goes under the dike, and good numbers of waterfowl and shorebirds with the tidal push. We had nice looks of CACKLING GEESE, both minima and taverners. A nice raptor show with two MERLINs, a PEREGRINE FALCON, at least three NORTHERN HARRIER, and a RED-SHOULDERED HAWK was heard in the riparian stand along the east side of the Surge Plain. We had great looks of LEAST SANDPIPER roosting on logs and dorment gum weed during the high tide at the end of the boardwalk. We were unable to relocate any owls, but had nice looks of ORANGE-CROWNED WARBLER in mixed flocks in the Orchard and at the Nisqually River Overlook. See eBird report copied below. We observed 67 species for the day, and have seen 172 species this year. Mammals seen included Columbian Black-tailed Deer, Eastern Gray Squirrel, Harbor Seal and Sea Lion on wrecked barge off Dupont. Until next week when we meet again at 8am, good birding and Happy Thanksgiving. Shep -- Shep Thorp Browns Point 253-370-3742 Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually NWR, Thurston, Washington, US Nov 22, 2023 7:39 AM - 3:55 PM Protocol: Traveling 6.446 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. Mostly cloudy with temperatures in the 40?s to 50?s degrees Fahrenheit. A High 14?5? Tide at 1:25pm. Mammals seen Columbian Black-tailed Deer, Eastern Gray Squirrel, Harbor Seal, and Sea Lion. 67 species (+7 other taxa) Greater White-fronted Goose 1 Cackling Goose (minima) 2000 Cackling Goose (Taverner's) 40 Canada Goose 30 Northern Shoveler 300 Gadwall 40 Eurasian Wigeon 2 American Wigeon 3670 Mallard 300 Northern Pintail 500 Green-winged Teal 2500 Estimated by 100x, over flooded fields, surge plain, and tidal estuary. Ring-necked Duck 2 Greater Scaup 3 Surf Scoter 8 Bufflehead 100 Common Goldeneye 5 Hooded Merganser 1 Common Merganser 2 Red-breasted Merganser 10 Horned Grebe 5 Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon) 25 Mourning Dove 2 Anna's Hummingbird 1 hummingbird sp. 1 American Coot 12 Long-billed Dowitcher 35 Wilson's Snipe 2 Greater Yellowlegs 55 Dunlin 250 Least Sandpiper 400 Short-billed Gull 100 Ring-billed Gull 75 Glaucous-winged Gull 2 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 5 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 25 Larus sp. 250 Common Loon 1 Brandt's Cormorant 7 Double-crested Cormorant 20 Great Blue Heron 15 Northern Harrier 3 Cooper's Hawk 1 Bald Eagle 12 Red-shouldered Hawk 1 Vocalizing north of dike or Nisqually Estuary Trail in Riparian Forest west of the Nisqually river and east of Surge Plain. Red-tailed Hawk (calurus/alascensis) 2 Belted Kingfisher 2 Downy Woodpecker (Pacific) 3 Northern Flicker 2 Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 4 Northern Flicker (Yellow-shafted x Red-shafted) 1 Merlin 2 Peregrine Falcon 1 American Crow 200 Common Raven 2 Black-capped Chickadee 25 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 7 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 14 Golden-crowned Kinglet 24 Brown Creeper 10 Pacific Wren 3 Marsh Wren 8 Bewick's Wren 4 European Starling 300 Varied Thrush 6 American Robin 40 Fox Sparrow (Sooty) 4 Golden-crowned Sparrow 35 White-throated Sparrow 1 Song Sparrow 22 Lincoln's Sparrow 1 Spotted Towhee (oregonus Group) 8 Western Meadowlark 3 Red-winged Blackbird 70 Orange-crowned Warbler (lutescens) 3 View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S155004287 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Monday night, I searched for owls after dark in the greater Samish area. I was looking for hunting Barn owls, which I can usually find in these areas. Not this time. A male hatch year Barred owl was actively hunting around the West 90 parking area. I found another Barred owl hunting near the ?SE 90? (Field road)- a place that I have seen hunting Barn owls in the past. I was very surprised to see them in either area. It doesn?t bode well for the Barn Owls. The next day I checked eBird to see if anybody had seen Barred owls near the ?90s?. One had been reported about six days ago at the West 90 parking lot. Happy Thanksgiving tweeters community! Dan Reiff Mercer Is. Sent from my iPhone From panmail at mailfence.com Thu Nov 23 10:19:03 2023 From: panmail at mailfence.com (pan) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Seattle Black-and-white Warbler Message-ID: <1282906727.452991.1700763543567@ichabod.co-bxl> Tweets, The Black-and-white Warbler found two days ago continues this morning on the shores of Seattle's Green Lake.? Several of us saw the bird a couple times low in willows and such just south of the theater (on the west side of the lake) and then south a bit (east of the parking lot), between 7:45 and 8:40.? It was loosely with chickadees, kinglets, and Yellow-rumped Warblers, actively foraging and moving a lot.? Thanks to Sarah P. for getting eyes on it this morning.? 23 November, 2023, Alan Grenon Seattle panmail AT mailfence period com -- Sent with https://mailfence.com Secure and private email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevechampton at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 10:46:05 2023 From: stevechampton at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Cassia and Types 2, 3, 4, 5, + Red Crossbills in Calif and on the move In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tweeters, I'm forwarding this remarkable email from CalBirds, as mountain birds are on the move throughout the West. This could happen in WA this winter as well. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: George Chrisman via groups.io Date: Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:54?AM Subject: [CALBIRDS] Cassia CrossBILL and Type 2,3,4,5,+ Red Crossbills at Skylawn Cemetery, San Mateo County, CA To: Greeting Birders, On Tuesday November 14, I birded Skylawn Cemetery along Highway 92 between San Mateo & Half Moon Bay in San Mateo County hoping to photograph and record Crossbills. There have been Cassia Crossbills reported here over the past 2 weeks. I parked near the Bodhisattva statue at the top of the cemetery. After waiting for about an hour with virtually no activity, I started my car to leave and as I was pulling away, I heard a huge flock of 35 Crossbills circling above me and eventually landed on the statue and fountain. My first instinct was to get some pictures of the birds on the statue that was only about 50-75 feet away from where I was parked. After taking about a dozen photos, I activated my Merlin sound app on my iPhone and made a recording of the chattering birds from the front seat of my car. After about one minute, the flock took off and scattered. About one minute later, presumably another flock of Crossbills circled from above and landed on the fountain. Again I recorded them as they moved in and landed on the statue and in the fountain below. Not sure what types of Crossbills they were, I sent my eBird checklist https://ebird.org/checklist/S154451675 to Matt Young and Tim Spahr at the FinchNewtwork.org Here is their response: "Hi George, this is one of the most incredible crossbill checklists I've ever seen. You have Type 2, 3, 4, 5, and Cassia. And you have one bird we can't place between Type 7 and Type 12. The loudest calls in ML611129085 are Type 3. In ML611129086 you have: Type 5 best viewed around 5.2-5.4 seconds Cassia at 22.6 seconds Type 4 starts up around 24 seconds Type 2 around 37 seconds. There is a bird calling around 38 seconds (spectra look like an upside-down check mark) that Matt and I can't place between Type 12 and Type 7. It has been there for several weeks. Amazing stuff, congrats!! Tim" I will be revising my eBird Checklists to reflect their analysis. I'm not sure how to document or separate my photos with all of the different types, but I'll give it my best shot. I can separate the two sound recording and reference the time locations from their notes. Very Cool Experience! George Chrisman Burlingame, CA _._,_._,_ ------------------------------ Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#14690) | Reply To Sender | Reply To Group | Mute This Topic | New Topic Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [stevechampton@gmail.com] _._,_._,_ -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanroedell at gmail.com Thu Nov 23 11:47:07 2023 From: alanroedell at gmail.com (Alan Roedell) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Cassia and Types 2, 3, 4, 5, + Red Crossbills in Calif and on the move In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Exciting account. Thanks for posting. On Thu, Nov 23, 2023, 10:46 AM Steve Hampton wrote: > Tweeters, > > I'm forwarding this remarkable email from CalBirds, as mountain birds are > on the move throughout the West. This could happen in WA this winter as > well. > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: George Chrisman via groups.io > Date: Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 7:54?AM > Subject: [CALBIRDS] Cassia CrossBILL and Type 2,3,4,5,+ Red Crossbills at > Skylawn Cemetery, San Mateo County, CA > To: > > > Greeting Birders, > On Tuesday November 14, I birded Skylawn Cemetery along Highway 92 between > San Mateo & Half Moon Bay in San Mateo County hoping to photograph and > record Crossbills. There have been Cassia Crossbills reported here over the > past 2 weeks. I parked near the Bodhisattva statue at the top of the > cemetery. After waiting for about an hour with virtually no activity, I > started my car to leave and as I was pulling away, I heard a huge flock of > 35 Crossbills circling above me and eventually landed on the statue and > fountain. My first instinct was to get some pictures of the birds on the > statue that was only about 50-75 feet away from where I was parked. After > taking about a dozen photos, I activated my Merlin sound app on my iPhone > and made a recording of the chattering birds from the front seat of my car. > After about one minute, the flock took off and scattered. About one minute > later, presumably another flock of Crossbills circled from above and landed > on the fountain. Again I recorded them as they moved in and landed on the > statue and in the fountain below. Not sure what types of Crossbills they > were, I sent my eBird checklist https://ebird.org/checklist/S154451675 > to Matt Young and Tim Spahr at > the FinchNewtwork.org Here is their response: > > "Hi George, this is one of the most incredible crossbill checklists I've > ever seen. You have Type 2, 3, 4, 5, and Cassia. And you have one bird we > can't place between Type 7 and Type 12. > > The loudest calls in ML611129085 are Type 3. > In ML611129086 you have: > > Type 5 best viewed around 5.2-5.4 seconds > Cassia at 22.6 seconds > Type 4 starts up around 24 seconds > Type 2 around 37 seconds. > There is a bird calling around 38 seconds (spectra look like an > upside-down check mark) that Matt and I can't place between Type 12 and > Type 7. It has been there for several weeks. > > Amazing stuff, congrats!! > Tim" > > I will be revising my eBird Checklists to reflect their analysis. I'm not > sure how to document or separate my photos with all of the different types, > but I'll give it my best shot. I can separate the two sound recording and > reference the time locations from their notes. Very Cool Experience! > > George Chrisman > Burlingame, CA > _._,_._,_ > ------------------------------ > Groups.io Links: > > You receive all messages sent to this group. > > View/Reply Online (#14690) | Reply > To Sender > > | Reply To Group > > | Mute This Topic | New Topic > > Your Subscription | Contact > Group Owner | Unsubscribe > [stevechampton@gmail.com] > _._,_._,_ > > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I still haven?t managed to get it in flight yet but thought I?d share the image I took of it perched. https://ebird.org/checklist/S155113562 (Taken with a Canon R6, 85mm f1.8) Hope everyone is having an enjoyable break! Thanks, Jeremy Davis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jalanwagar at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 12:46:04 2023 From: jalanwagar at gmail.com (Al Wagar) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds, and other things Message-ID: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> I too am a bit bothered by the rush to disassociate ourselves from the racist rascals of past eras. It seems that most of our Founding Fathers, including George Washiingnton, owned slaves, as did most of the elite of that time. So goodness, gracious, we shouldn?t name anything after George. Maybe our fine State of Washington can become "North Cascadia," or maybe just ?Cascadia" since ?Oregon? may not be offensive. Perhaps Washington, D.C. can simply be shortened to ?District of Columbia.? Where will all this stop? Al Wagar Seattle From m.egger at comcast.net Fri Nov 24 12:52:04 2023 From: m.egger at comcast.net (Mark Egger) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and biodiversity. > On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu wrote: > > Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Two days ago I counted 35 flying?s out of one tree while at least another 20 were perched in nearby tree. At least 60 for the day and likely more. The eBird high count for the state is 80 (2008). Cassin?s Finches were also unusually abundant. There were also a couple of other unusual birds for the Methow at the Pearrygin WDFW boat launch by Silverline Resort - a Red-necked and a Western Grebe. If you?re in the area, 1-2 white-winged Scoters were hanging out at Big Twin Lake. Good birding, Peter Wimberger Tacoma, WA -- Peter Wimberger Director Emeritus, Puget Sound Museum of Natural History Professor Emeritus, Biology _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1northraven at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 14:39:32 2023 From: 1northraven at gmail.com (J Christian Kessler) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> References: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mr. Egger -- I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or even referred to seriously, prior to your note). Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself "intellectually lazy". Chris Kessler On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger wrote: > Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing > obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of > lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a > life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all > naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common > names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name > all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed > and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. > McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems > both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of > biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted > their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and > biodiversity. > > On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu > wrote: > > Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- "moderation in everything, including moderation" Rustin Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It won?t change anything about the various -isms that are still common in our society, and good grief, why can?t all that energy and enthusiasm be directed where it should be? And I think the thing most wrong about it is not having any idea where it will stop. McCown was a Confederate general, yes, but I read that he had renounced slavery some time thereafter. That in itself is interesting and will be lost now that McCown is lost. Why not learn from history rather than erase it? I think the ?intellectual laziness? referred mostly to the decision made that because we can?t really draw the line between bad dead people and good dead people, let?s make it easy on ourselves and cancel them all. I wouldn?t concern myself with it too much if it stopped with the common names of North American birds (although I do strongly object to that), but that very thing happening and being presented in an ?official" way will encourage people to go even further. Many of our states, counties, cities, streets, rivers, mountain peaks, etc., etc., will be proposed for renaming, won't they? Won?t this be a nightmare for map makers, book writers, historians of any kind?and the rest of the people who will be confused by all of this in the future? If I lived on Audubon Avenue, some day I might not be able to find my house . . . The fact that people are even talking about changing scientific names is appalling to those of us who have named species and worked on their relationships. Such an activity certainly deserves all the resistance that can be generated against it. People with ideas such as that are at the forefront of making this a much more divisive than inclusive activity, as far as I can see. Dennis Paulsn Seattle > On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:39 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mr. Egger -- > > I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or even referred to seriously, prior to your note). > > Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself "intellectually lazy". > > Chris Kessler > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger > wrote: > Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and biodiversity. > >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu wrote: >> >> Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stevechampton at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 17:04:14 2023 From: stevechampton at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> Message-ID: I encourage readers to look at the recommendations to the American Ornithology Society Council, especially pages 11-19. The rationale for the changes go well beyond the simple media characterizations of a few bad apples and babies with the bathwater. There is no desire to cancel or erase anyone, but simply that human history and honors be remembered in ways that are separate from the English names of birds. The document is posted by the AOS here. https://americanornithology.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/1-AOS-EBNC_recommendations_23_10_19.pdf I suggest additional reflection regarding the concept that present mores are being applied to past behavior. This argument centers white history to the exclusion of Black and Native perspectives. Blacks have always opposed slavery and Natives have always opposed ethnic cleansing. And whites have been pretty split over those things -- even fighting a civil war. The English naming process at the time excluded most segments of society and, even within 1850s ornithology, had little process for moderation. For example, Scott's Oriole was coined when Scott had just been a major party candidate for president. So, a completely inappropriate bird name and yet there was no process to challenge it. In the context of our present reality, with environmental conservation routinely falling out of the top concerns of politicians, and birding and ornithology (and outdoor activities and environmental science in general) struggling to be more than just a luxury hobby and issue for white people, the AOS is hoping to send a message that they are serious about their commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion, and want to broaden support for birds and bird conservation across a wide demographic, especially younger generations. I hope the re-naming process, which will involve public input, generates excitement among those who previously never thought of themselves as bird advocates. On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 3:35?PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > Chris, here?s my take on it. > > Like several people who have written in, I see this movement to erase > honorific names of dead people who we would consider unkind as having > limited merit. It won?t change anything about the various -isms that are > still common in our society, and good grief, why can?t all that energy and > enthusiasm be directed where it should be? And I think the thing most wrong > about it is not having any idea where it will stop. McCown was a > Confederate general, yes, but I read that he had renounced slavery some > time thereafter. That in itself is interesting and will be lost now that > McCown is lost. Why not learn from history rather than erase it? > > I think the ?intellectual laziness? referred mostly to the decision made > that because we can?t really draw the line between bad dead people and good > dead people, let?s make it easy on ourselves and cancel them all. I > wouldn?t concern myself with it too much if it stopped with the common > names of North American birds (although I do strongly object to that), but > that very thing happening and being presented in an ?official" way will > encourage people to go even further. > > Many of our states, counties, cities, streets, rivers, mountain peaks, > etc., etc., will be proposed for renaming, won't they? Won?t this be a > nightmare for map makers, book writers, historians of any kind?and the rest > of the people who will be confused by all of this in the future? If I lived > on Audubon Avenue, some day I might not be able to find my house . . . > > The fact that people are even talking about changing *scientific names* > is appalling to those of us who have named species and worked on their > relationships. Such an activity certainly deserves all the resistance that > can be generated against it. People with ideas such as that are at the > forefront of making this a much more divisive than inclusive activity, as > far as I can see. > > Dennis Paulsn > Seattle > > On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:39 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mr. Egger -- > > I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or > Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. > Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who > advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually > lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's > Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of > proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or > even referred to seriously, prior to your note). > > Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds > (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) > is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all > imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself > "intellectually lazy". > > Chris Kessler > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger wrote: > >> Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing >> obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of >> lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a >> life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all >> naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common >> names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name >> all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed >> and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. >> McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems >> both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of >> biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted >> their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and >> biodiversity. >> >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu >> wrote: >> >> Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- ?Steve Hampton? Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hal at catharus.net Fri Nov 24 17:10:08 2023 From: hal at catharus.net (Hal Opperman) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <4072BF7C-B455-4B1E-B2EC-6A4CB1A5D734@catharus.net> Here?s an example to consider from the perspective my professional life as an art historian. (Yes, like everyone else in the world, we birders do have more than one side to our lives.) One of the most distinguished scholars of the art and architecture of the French Late Renaissance and Baroque (17th-18th centuries) was Anthony Blunt. In his field, Blunt's writings and the many students he formed were as groundbreaking and influential as were those of John James Audubon in his own field of North American ornithology?founding figures without whose legacy our present understanding in each of these fields would be unimaginably poorer. We stand on the shoulders of giants, as is said?of these two giants and many, many others. In 1979, Blunt was outed as a onetime Soviet spy back in his student days in the 1930s?a member of the notorious ?Cambridge Four? (along with Donald Maclean, Guy Burgess, and Kim Philby; a fifth recruit was identified later). All were branded as traitors, quite rightfully. Blunt was stripped of his knighthood and appointments, and hounded from public life by the media and popular outrage. He died four years later, in 1983. His obituary in the august Burlington Magazine, the venerable journal of the UK?s art history establishment, was written by Andr? Chastel, the dean of the French art history establishment. Hewing closely to its title, ?Anthony Blunt, art historian,? it is a tribute to a remarkable scholar richly deserving of our recognition and that of posterity. Why can?t we see our guy as ?John James Audubon, ornithologist?? Accord him the respect he is due? Doesn?t he deserve that? Hal Opperman Seattle hal at catharus dot net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1northraven at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 17:48:49 2023 From: 1northraven at gmail.com (J Christian Kessler) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dennis -- first, I think the ornithological proposal under consideration is with respect to North American birds English language names. The proposals to change Linnean binomials is certainly being made by some, but is not necessarily of a piece with the English names proposal, And to my understanding that would be a very different process and not subject to the same issues or considerations (tho much as I'm fond of Georg Steller, to me using his surname for the species specific part of the binomial tells me nothing characteristic of the bird itself. It's just a cultural-bound historical artifact. And I doubt it leads many to learn more about the man himself, sad as that happens to be.) second, if you are right as to t what Eggers has in mind regarding intellectually lazy, that may be valid for some, but it is not the argument being made by many others. (It does not represent my own thinking.) In that respect the accusation itself appears to lump different proposals, which feels to be intellectually lazy. third, the renaming of geographic features (natural or manmade) is hardly new. And will continue independent of this debate however it turns out. Denali became Mt. McKinley, became Mt. Denali, until Pres. Trump made it Mt. McKinley again, and in 2016 the Park Service changed it back to Denali. And the introduction of Zip Codes in 1963 led to renumbering of every house in the neighborhood I grew up in as though the streets formed a grid when they form more of a web, mail delivery has been screwed up for the last 60 years. We cope. Chris Kessler On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 3:34?PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > Chris, here?s my take on it. > > Like several people who have written in, I see this movement to erase > honorific names of dead people who we would consider unkind as having > limited merit. It won?t change anything about the various -isms that are > still common in our society, and good grief, why can?t all that energy and > enthusiasm be directed where it should be? And I think the thing most wrong > about it is not having any idea where it will stop. McCown was a > Confederate general, yes, but I read that he had renounced slavery some > time thereafter. That in itself is interesting and will be lost now that > McCown is lost. Why not learn from history rather than erase it? > > I think the ?intellectual laziness? referred mostly to the decision made > that because we can?t really draw the line between bad dead people and good > dead people, let?s make it easy on ourselves and cancel them all. I > wouldn?t concern myself with it too much if it stopped with the common > names of North American birds (although I do strongly object to that), but > that very thing happening and being presented in an ?official" way will > encourage people to go even further. > > Many of our states, counties, cities, streets, rivers, mountain peaks, > etc., etc., will be proposed for renaming, won't they? Won?t this be a > nightmare for map makers, book writers, historians of any kind?and the rest > of the people who will be confused by all of this in the future? If I lived > on Audubon Avenue, some day I might not be able to find my house . . . > > The fact that people are even talking about changing *scientific names* > is appalling to those of us who have named species and worked on their > relationships. Such an activity certainly deserves all the resistance that > can be generated against it. People with ideas such as that are at the > forefront of making this a much more divisive than inclusive activity, as > far as I can see. > > Dennis Paulsn > Seattle > > On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:39 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Mr. Egger -- > > I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or > Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. > Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who > advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually > lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's > Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of > proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or > even referred to seriously, prior to your note). > > Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds > (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) > is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all > imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself > "intellectually lazy". > > Chris Kessler > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger wrote: > >> Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing >> obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of >> lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a >> life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all >> naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common >> names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name >> all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed >> and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. >> McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems >> both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of >> biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted >> their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and >> biodiversity. >> >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu >> wrote: >> >> Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > -- "moderation in everything, including moderation" Rustin Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thefedderns at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 19:40:00 2023 From: thefedderns at gmail.com (Hans-Joachim Feddern) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <4072BF7C-B455-4B1E-B2EC-6A4CB1A5D734@catharus.net> References: <167713823.274074.1700606286083@connect.xfinity.com> <4072BF7C-B455-4B1E-B2EC-6A4CB1A5D734@catharus.net> Message-ID: Well said Hal! I agree! Hans On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 5:10?PM Hal Opperman wrote: > Here?s an example to consider from the perspective my professional life as > an art historian. (Yes, like everyone else in the world, we birders do have > more than one side to our lives.) > > One of the most distinguished scholars of the art and architecture of the > French Late Renaissance and Baroque (17th-18th centuries) was Anthony > Blunt. In his field, Blunt's writings and the many students he formed were > as groundbreaking and influential as were those of John James Audubon in > his own field of North American ornithology?founding figures without whose > legacy our present understanding in each of these fields would be > unimaginably poorer. We stand on the shoulders of giants, as is said?of > these two giants and many, many others. > > In 1979, Blunt was outed as a onetime Soviet spy back in his student days > in the 1930s?a member of the notorious ?Cambridge Four? (along with Donald > Maclean, Guy Burgess, and Kim Philby; a fifth recruit was identified > later). All were branded as traitors, quite rightfully. Blunt was stripped > of his knighthood and appointments, and hounded from public life by the > media and popular outrage. He died four years later, in 1983. > > His obituary in the august *Burlington Magazine*, the venerable journal > of the UK?s art history establishment, was written by Andr? Chastel, the > dean of the French art history establishment. Hewing closely to its title, > ?Anthony Blunt, art historian,? it is a tribute to a remarkable scholar > richly deserving of our recognition and that of posterity. > > Why can?t we see our guy as ?John James Audubon, ornithologist?? Accord > him the respect he is due? Doesn?t he deserve that? > > Hal Opperman > Seattle > hal at catharus dot net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- *Hans Feddern* Twin Lakes/Federal Way, WA thefedderns@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From m.egger at comcast.net Fri Nov 24 19:59:08 2023 From: m.egger at comcast.net (Mark Egger) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> Message-ID: <495DEDB1-416A-4FCB-A0E5-953478DF732F@comcast.net> Replying to Chris ? by ?intellectually lazy?, I meant that, rather than assembling a rational basis and a clear set of criteria to justify the renaming of honorific names (eponyms), an admittedly challenging but far from impossible task, many/most of those in favor of mass renamings propose what I consider to be completely unjustified blanket proposals affecting entire classes of names, rather than expending the effort to form committees with a more nuanced approach. And, just as an example of the radical proposals for changing ALL scientific names containing eponyms, here is one example: ?Eponyms have no place in 21st-century biological nomenclature?, (multiple authors), Nature, Ecology and Evolution 7: 1157-1160, 13 March 2023. The paper is behind a paywall, so the journal must be accessed directly, rather than linked, in order to read it. In sharing this reference, I stress that I in no way agree with the authors and find their proposal deeply objectionable for many reasons. There ARE more thoughtful proposals under discussion in the biological-nomenclatural community, and many of those are worthy of consideration. What I object to are the one-class-fits-all rules that somehow conflate modern scientific nomenclature with cultural imperialism, as if all people honored by having organisms named after them are somehow guilty of being cultural imperialists or racists themselves. THAT?S what I mean by ?intellectually lazy.? Mark > On Nov 24, 2023, at 5:48 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> wrote: > icy the > Dennis -- > > first, I think the ornithological proposal under consideration is with respect to North American birds English language names. The proposals to change Linnean binomials is certainly being made by some, but is not necessarily of a piece with the English names proposal, And to my understanding that would be a very different process and not subject to the same issues or considerations (tho much as I'm fond of Georg Steller, to me using his surname for the species specific part of the binomial tells me nothing characteristic of the bird itself. It's just a cultural-bound historical artifact. And I doubt it leads many to learn more about the man himself, sad as that happens to be.) > > second, if you are right as to t what Eggers has in mind regarding intellectually lazy, that may be valid for some, but it is not the argument being made by many others. (It does not represent my own thinking.) In that respect the accusation itself appears to lump different proposals, which feels to be intellectually lazy. > > third, the renaming of geographic features (natural or manmade) is hardly new. And will continue independent of this debate however it turns out. Denali became Mt. McKinley, became Mt. Denali, until Pres. Trump made it Mt. McKinley again, and in 2016 the Park Service changed it back to Denali. And the introduction of Zip Codes in 1963 led to renumbering of every house in the neighborhood I grew up in as though the streets formed a grid when they form more of a web, mail delivery has been screwed up for the last 60 years. We cope. > > Chris Kessler > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 3:34?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: >> Chris, here?s my take on it. >> >> Like several people who have written in, I see this movement to erase honorific names of dead people who we would consider unkind as having limited merit. It won?t change anything about the various -isms that are still common in our society, and good grief, why can?t all that energy and enthusiasm be directed where it should be? And I think the thing most wrong about it is not having any idea where it will stop. McCown was a Confederate general, yes, but I read that he had renounced slavery some time thereafter. That in itself is interesting and will be lost now that McCown is lost. Why not learn from history rather than erase it? >> >> I think the ?intellectual laziness? referred mostly to the decision made that because we can?t really draw the line between bad dead people and good dead people, let?s make it easy on ourselves and cancel them all. I wouldn?t concern myself with it too much if it stopped with the common names of North American birds (although I do strongly object to that), but that very thing happening and being presented in an ?official" way will encourage people to go even further. >> >> Many of our states, counties, cities, streets, rivers, mountain peaks, etc., etc., will be proposed for renaming, won't they? Won?t this be a nightmare for map makers, book writers, historians of any kind?and the rest of the people who will be confused by all of this in the future? If I lived on Audubon Avenue, some day I might not be able to find my house . . . >> >> The fact that people are even talking about changing scientific names is appalling to those of us who have named species and worked on their relationships. Such an activity certainly deserves all the resistance that can be generated against it. People with ideas such as that are at the forefront of making this a much more divisive than inclusive activity, as far as I can see. >> >> Dennis Paulsn >> Seattle >> >>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:39 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com > wrote: >>> >>> Mr. Egger -- >>> >>> I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or even referred to seriously, prior to your note). >>> >>> Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself "intellectually lazy". >>> >>> Chris Kessler >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger > wrote: >>>> Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and biodiversity. >>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Tweeters mailing list >>>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "moderation in everything, including moderation" >>> Rustin Thompson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpd314159 at gmail.com Fri Nov 24 21:10:36 2023 From: jpd314159 at gmail.com (Jeremy Davis) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Not that anyone?s keeping track but I did want to raise my hand as someone in favor of these changes. It?s likely a small drop in a large bucket to try to bring more people - and in particular, more kinds of people - to ornithology and to conservation but every little bit helps. I think the rationale in the AOS document Steve linked to is reasonable and thoughtful. The statistic from DuBay et al was particularly surprising to me. Anyway, wonderful to see such a spirited debate! It?s been amazing to see how many of my friends have read articles about the renaming and forwarded links to me to see what I thought. It reminds me of the PT Barnum quote about publicity. ?I don?t care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right.? Thanks, Jeremy Davis Kenmore, WA On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 5:04?PM Steve Hampton wrote: > I encourage readers to look at the recommendations to the American > Ornithology Society Council, especially pages 11-19. The rationale for the > changes go well beyond the simple media characterizations of a few bad > apples and babies with the bathwater. There is no desire to cancel or erase > anyone, but simply that human history and honors be remembered in ways that > are separate from the English names of birds. > > The document is posted by the AOS here. > > https://americanornithology.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/1-AOS-EBNC_recommendations_23_10_19.pdf > > I suggest additional reflection regarding the concept that present mores > are being applied to past behavior. This argument centers white history to > the exclusion of Black and Native perspectives. Blacks have always opposed > slavery and Natives have always opposed ethnic cleansing. And whites have > been pretty split over those things -- even fighting a civil war. The > English naming process at the time excluded most segments of society and, > even within 1850s ornithology, had little process for moderation. For > example, Scott's Oriole was coined when Scott had just been a major party > candidate for president. So, a completely inappropriate bird name and yet > there was no process to challenge it. > > In the context of our present reality, with environmental conservation > routinely falling out of the top concerns of politicians, and birding and > ornithology (and outdoor activities and environmental science in general) > struggling to be more than just a luxury hobby and issue for white people, > the AOS is hoping to send a message that they are serious about their > commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion, and want to broaden support > for birds and bird conservation across a wide demographic, especially > younger generations. I hope the re-naming process, which will involve > public input, generates excitement among those who previously never thought > of themselves as bird advocates. > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 3:35?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: > >> Chris, here?s my take on it. >> >> Like several people who have written in, I see this movement to erase >> honorific names of dead people who we would consider unkind as having >> limited merit. It won?t change anything about the various -isms that are >> still common in our society, and good grief, why can?t all that energy and >> enthusiasm be directed where it should be? And I think the thing most wrong >> about it is not having any idea where it will stop. McCown was a >> Confederate general, yes, but I read that he had renounced slavery some >> time thereafter. That in itself is interesting and will be lost now that >> McCown is lost. Why not learn from history rather than erase it? >> >> I think the ?intellectual laziness? referred mostly to the decision made >> that because we can?t really draw the line between bad dead people and good >> dead people, let?s make it easy on ourselves and cancel them all. I >> wouldn?t concern myself with it too much if it stopped with the common >> names of North American birds (although I do strongly object to that), but >> that very thing happening and being presented in an ?official" way will >> encourage people to go even further. >> >> Many of our states, counties, cities, streets, rivers, mountain peaks, >> etc., etc., will be proposed for renaming, won't they? Won?t this be a >> nightmare for map makers, book writers, historians of any kind?and the rest >> of the people who will be confused by all of this in the future? If I lived >> on Audubon Avenue, some day I might not be able to find my house . . . >> >> The fact that people are even talking about changing *scientific names* >> is appalling to those of us who have named species and worked on their >> relationships. Such an activity certainly deserves all the resistance that >> can be generated against it. People with ideas such as that are at the >> forefront of making this a much more divisive than inclusive activity, as >> far as I can see. >> >> Dennis Paulsn >> Seattle >> >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:39 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mr. Egger -- >> >> I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or >> Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. >> Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who >> advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually >> lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's >> Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of >> proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or >> even referred to seriously, prior to your note). >> >> Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds >> (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) >> is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all >> imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself >> "intellectually lazy". >> >> Chris Kessler >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger wrote: >> >>> Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing >>> obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of >>> lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a >>> life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all >>> naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common >>> names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name >>> all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed >>> and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. >>> McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems >>> both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of >>> biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted >>> their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and >>> biodiversity. >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, >>> tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu wrote: >>> >>> Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> >> >> >> -- >> "moderation in everything, including moderation" >> Rustin Thompson >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > ?Steve Hampton? > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenbrownpls at comcast.net Fri Nov 24 22:30:51 2023 From: kenbrownpls at comcast.net (Kenneth Brown) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds, and other things In-Reply-To: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> References: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1526541529.323068.1700893851835@connect.xfinity.com> Since you brought it up Al, I'm a life long Washingtonian and I've never liked the name of our State. Not because George owned slaves, because he never had any thing to do with it. He never even conceived of it's future existence. The people of the territory at the time of Statehood wanted to name the State "Columbia" (after the premier river) but the Legislature then said it would be confused with the District of Columbia, a feeble excuse even then for forcing us, at the last minute, to accept the name they wanted. A local Olympia jeweler had to scramble, also at the last minute, to come up with a State Seal, so he copied the bust of Washington on the nickel and set in in the center of a field of green. That's all the thought that went into it. I am personally agnostic about altering the common name of birds, I think it will always be problematic, but it's my impression that it's about more than disassociating from racists, it's also about having the name be focused more on the bird itself, rather than the person who wanted to memorialize themselves or some other birding grandee, however worthy (or not) a human being. Whatever happens, I'll adjust. > On 11/24/2023 12:46 PM PST Al Wagar wrote: > > > I too am a bit bothered by the rush to disassociate ourselves from the racist rascals of past eras. It seems that most of our Founding Fathers, including George Washiingnton, owned slaves, as did most of the elite of that time. So goodness, gracious, we shouldn?t name anything after George. Maybe our fine State of Washington can become "North Cascadia," or maybe just ?Cascadia" since ?Oregon? may not be offensive. Perhaps Washington, D.C. can simply be shortened to ?District of Columbia.? Where will all this stop? > Al Wagar > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From jimbetz at jimbetz.com Fri Nov 24 22:31:22 2023 From: jimbetz at jimbetz.com (jimbetz@jimbetz.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Skagit King Tide Report In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20231124223122.Horde.6mzgSZHXN95T88lUJPk_-eD@webmail.jimbetz.com> Hi all, Went to Hayton to see the King Tide today. When I got there the tide was almost full but still pushing in thru the pipes. "Full" was about 2 to 3 feet below the top of the dike (where you walk). There were a lot of Dunlin sitting on the logs near the dike with the pipes under it. The ducks were in close to the dike (mostly Pintails). The air above was repeatedly filled with Snow Geese and there were large flocks of Snows way over to the East near the mouth of the Skagit that kept getting up and flying around and settling down - and even more coming in from the direction of Oak Harbor. The sky was almost cloudless but still very blue, almost no wind - but the air was cold and I kept my hands in my pockets except to use my camera. No sound of gunfire so I'm not sure what it was that was stirring up the Snows to the East. A pair of Eagles were 'resting' in the top of the tree with the nest. After leaving Hayton I went to the East 90 ... probably 50 cars and 100 to 150 people ... all watching the show that the Short-Eared Owls (SEOW) were putting on. A couple of Harriers, no eagles that I saw, several RTH on the wires and poles. One bird on a pole along Farm-to-Market that may have been a Roughy. Lots of long lenses about these days. A fine day for birding! Even if Snow Goose Produce is closed for the Winter ... so no ice cream today. *G* - Jim in Skagit From cohenellenr at yahoo.com Sat Nov 25 07:34:12 2023 From: cohenellenr at yahoo.com (Ellen Cohen) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Name changes References: <2102894986.6278474.1700926452521.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2102894986.6278474.1700926452521@mail.yahoo.com> Not to make light of a needed serious conversation, but a laugh is needed once in a while.Opinion | Bird species are being renamed! Here are my suggestions! | | | | | | | | | | | Opinion | Bird species are being renamed! Here are my suggestions! Here, in no particular order, are all my objections to bird names and suggestions for improving them. | | | -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ucd880 at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 08:05:31 2023 From: ucd880 at comcast.net (HAL MICHAEL) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds, and other things In-Reply-To: <1526541529.323068.1700893851835@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> <1526541529.323068.1700893851835@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <690110215.362303.1700928331455@connect.xfinity.com> Having been around birds and birders (and other living things) for a really long time I find the name changing interesting. The common names seem to change very regularly; just look at old field guides. I believe that some of the changes are warranted to better describe the bird, its range, its behavior, whatever. I also see value in changing names that actually give offense such as Oldsquaw. But I have a harder time when the change is more virtue signaling by expecting that if we are going to name something after a person that person had to be perfect in all ways. I wonder, too, at what will happen to names like "King Kong Finch". That name started as a joke that became popular and is now in both the common and Latin name. Another conversion that strikes me as funny is that the name of the Crested Honeycreeper in Hawaii was changed to Akohekohe, the name given by the Hawaiians. Translated, that apparent refers to female gentalia; would we support that in English? Hal Michael Board of Directors,Ecologists Without Borders (http://ecowb.org/) Olympia WA 360-459-4005 360-791-7702 (C) ucd880@comcast.net > On 11/24/2023 10:30 PM PST Kenneth Brown wrote: > > > Since you brought it up Al, I'm a life long Washingtonian and I've never liked the name of our State. Not because George owned slaves, because he never had any thing to do with it. He never even conceived of it's future existence. The people of the territory at the time of Statehood wanted to name the State "Columbia" (after the premier river) but the Legislature then said it would be confused with the District of Columbia, a feeble excuse even then for forcing us, at the last minute, to accept the name they wanted. A local Olympia jeweler had to scramble, also at the last minute, to come up with a State Seal, so he copied the bust of Washington on the nickel and set in in the center of a field of green. That's all the thought that went into it. > > I am personally agnostic about altering the common name of birds, I think it will always be problematic, but it's my impression that it's about more than disassociating from racists, it's also about having the name be focused more on the bird itself, rather than the person who wanted to memorialize themselves or some other birding grandee, however worthy (or not) a human being. Whatever happens, I'll adjust. > > > > On 11/24/2023 12:46 PM PST Al Wagar wrote: > > > > > > I too am a bit bothered by the rush to disassociate ourselves from the racist rascals of past eras. It seems that most of our Founding Fathers, including George Washiingnton, owned slaves, as did most of the elite of that time. So goodness, gracious, we shouldn?t name anything after George. Maybe our fine State of Washington can become "North Cascadia," or maybe just ?Cascadia" since ?Oregon? may not be offensive. Perhaps Washington, D.C. can simply be shortened to ?District of Columbia.? Where will all this stop? > > Al Wagar > > Seattle > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From nreiferb at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 09:00:40 2023 From: nreiferb at gmail.com (Nelson Briefer) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Name changes Message-ID: Dear Birders and hawk watchers- You can name the Northern Goshawk whatever you wish, but the hawk ? female and sometime the the male is a common species, and a feature of the sky, except during the nesting season. The best to all of you. Nelson Briefer, Anacortes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m reminded of a comment made to me by someone who knew nothing about birding, bird names, or much natural history in general, and definitely nothing about the historical personages associated within. She told me that she was surprised to learn recently that ?Audubon? was a person. She thought ?audubon? was French for ?birdwatcher?! As for myself, I have used the common bird names for so long that I am irrevocably biased toward continuing to do so and thus not qualified to weigh in on the topic. Others with clearer minds and histories can better inform the discussion and process. I will happily comply with the result. Tom Benedict Seahurst, WA From 1northraven at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 09:32:02 2023 From: 1northraven at gmail.com (J Christian Kessler) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: <495DEDB1-416A-4FCB-A0E5-953478DF732F@comcast.net> References: <2CD74259-4F8C-41A5-988A-62854210161F@comcast.net> <495DEDB1-416A-4FCB-A0E5-953478DF732F@comcast.net> Message-ID: Mark -- thank you for the explanation. However, in my experience many people in any discipline (I've been an amateur birder for 65 years, my profession was outside biology altogether) make proposals without thinking them through. But some do involve serious thought. The AOS proposal - as circulated here by Steve Hampton - addresses concerns such as yours. One can agree or disagree with that proposal, which is from an organization that has responsibility for such matters. But the basic premise (and the details of its implementation) are legitimate subjects for disagreement. For my own part, I am very fond of Georg Steller, but his name doesn't give me any useful information about either the Jay or the Sea-eagle. Chris Kessler On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 7:59?PM Mark Egger wrote: > Replying to Chris ? by ?intellectually lazy?, I meant that, rather than > assembling a rational basis and a clear set of criteria to justify the > renaming of honorific names (eponyms), an admittedly challenging but far > from impossible task, many/most of those in favor of mass renamings propose > what I consider to be completely unjustified blanket proposals affecting > entire classes of names, rather than expending the effort to form > committees with a more nuanced approach. > > And, just as an example of the radical proposals for changing ALL > scientific names containing eponyms, here is one example: ?Eponyms have no > place in 21st-century biological nomenclature?, (multiple authors), Nature, > Ecology and Evolution 7: 1157-1160, 13 March 2023. The paper is behind a > paywall, so the journal must be accessed directly, rather than linked, in > order to read it. In sharing this reference, I stress that I in no way > agree with the authors and find their proposal deeply objectionable for > many reasons. There ARE more thoughtful proposals under discussion in the > biological-nomenclatural community, and many of those are worthy of > consideration. What I object to are the one-class-fits-all rules that > somehow conflate modern scientific nomenclature with cultural imperialism, > as if all people honored by having organisms named after them are somehow > guilty of being cultural imperialists or racists themselves. THAT?S what I > mean by ?intellectually lazy.? > > Mark > > > On Nov 24, 2023, at 5:48 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> > wrote: > icy the > Dennis -- > > first, I think the ornithological proposal under consideration is with > respect to North American birds English language names. The proposals to > change Linnean binomials is certainly being made by some, but is not > necessarily of a piece with the English names proposal, And to my > understanding that would be a very different process and not subject to the > same issues or considerations (tho much as I'm fond of Georg Steller, to me > using his surname for the species specific part of the binomial tells me > nothing characteristic of the bird itself. It's just a cultural-bound > historical artifact. And I doubt it leads many to learn more about the man > himself, sad as that happens to be.) > > second, if you are right as to t what Eggers has in mind regarding > intellectually lazy, that may be valid for some, but it is not the argument > being made by many others. (It does not represent my own thinking.) In > that respect the accusation itself appears to lump different proposals, > which feels to be intellectually lazy. > > third, the renaming of geographic features (natural or manmade) is hardly > new. And will continue independent of this debate however it turns out. > Denali became Mt. McKinley, became Mt. Denali, until Pres. Trump made it > Mt. McKinley again, and in 2016 the Park Service changed it back to > Denali. And the introduction of Zip Codes in 1963 led to renumbering of > every house in the neighborhood I grew up in as though the streets formed a > grid when they form more of a web, mail delivery has been screwed up for > the last 60 years. We cope. > > Chris Kessler > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 3:34?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: > >> Chris, here?s my take on it. >> >> Like several people who have written in, I see this movement to erase >> honorific names of dead people who we would consider unkind as having >> limited merit. It won?t change anything about the various -isms that are >> still common in our society, and good grief, why can?t all that energy and >> enthusiasm be directed where it should be? And I think the thing most wrong >> about it is not having any idea where it will stop. McCown was a >> Confederate general, yes, but I read that he had renounced slavery some >> time thereafter. That in itself is interesting and will be lost now that >> McCown is lost. Why not learn from history rather than erase it? >> >> I think the ?intellectual laziness? referred mostly to the decision made >> that because we can?t really draw the line between bad dead people and good >> dead people, let?s make it easy on ourselves and cancel them all. I >> wouldn?t concern myself with it too much if it stopped with the common >> names of North American birds (although I do strongly object to that), but >> that very thing happening and being presented in an ?official" way will >> encourage people to go even further. >> >> Many of our states, counties, cities, streets, rivers, mountain peaks, >> etc., etc., will be proposed for renaming, won't they? Won?t this be a >> nightmare for map makers, book writers, historians of any kind?and the rest >> of the people who will be confused by all of this in the future? If I lived >> on Audubon Avenue, some day I might not be able to find my house . . . >> >> The fact that people are even talking about changing *scientific names* >> is appalling to those of us who have named species and worked on their >> relationships. Such an activity certainly deserves all the resistance that >> can be generated against it. People with ideas such as that are at the >> forefront of making this a much more divisive than inclusive activity, as >> far as I can see. >> >> Dennis Paulsn >> Seattle >> >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 2:39 PM, J Christian Kessler <1northraven@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Mr. Egger -- >> >> I can only speak for myself. While I don't entirely agree with Dennis or >> Diane, I understand their point of view, and agree on some elements of it. >> Your argument is fundamentally different than theirs: you accuse all who >> advocate for "bird names for birds" in any form of being "intellectually >> lazy", and then proceed to conflat any proposal (beyond renaming McGown's >> Longspur and it appears a few others) with the most extreme sorts of >> proposals (some of which I have not heard being advocated by anyone, or >> even referred to seriously, prior to your note). >> >> Perhaps you could explain (1) how any/any proposal at renaming birds >> (again, beyond the renaming of McGown's Longspur and a few similar cases) >> is "intellectually lazy," and (2) how your your conflating virtually all >> imaginable proposals for change as being essentially the same is not itself >> "intellectually lazy". >> >> Chris Kessler >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 24, 2023 at 12:52?PM Mark Egger wrote: >> >>> Agree completely with Diane and Dennis. This trendy name-changing >>> obsession lacks any sort of nuance or reason and suggests the efforts of >>> lazy people who want simplistic solutions to complex questions. As a >>> life-long birder AND a dedicated botanist, this issue is one involving all >>> naturalist pursuits. There are current purposals to not only alter common >>> names but to ban all scientific names memorializing people AND to re-name >>> all existing names of that sort. I find these proposals to be deeply flawed >>> and absurd. There is absolutely no reason why these re-namings, some (e.g. >>> McGown) that are quite justified, but in most cases blanket re-naming seems >>> both intellectually lazy but a deep insult to an enormous number of >>> biologists and naturalists who were very fine human beings and who devoted >>> their lives to enriching our knowledge of the natural world and >>> biodiversity. >>> >>> On Nov 24, 2023, at 12:01 PM, >>> tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu wrote: >>> >>> Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Diann MacRae) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> >> >> >> -- >> "moderation in everything, including moderation" >> Rustin Thompson >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> >> > > -- > "moderation in everything, including moderation" > Rustin Thompson > > > -- "moderation in everything, including moderation" Rustin Thompson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ucd880 at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 13:06:28 2023 From: ucd880 at comcast.net (HAL MICHAEL) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds, and other things In-Reply-To: <8418A7C1-23E2-4D27-A231-D7787C245986@comcast.net> References: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> <1526541529.323068.1700893851835@connect.xfinity.com> <690110215.362303.1700928331455@connect.xfinity.com> <8418A7C1-23E2-4D27-A231-D7787C245986@comcast.net> Message-ID: <575947144.314980.1700946388891@connect.xfinity.com> I find that what people call things varies with the group. Certainly there are official names but how many use Butterbut or PIGU or Sprig or Can or Hollywood Mallard or Hummingduck and so on. The name is there to convey information about what you saw/heard. I know, too, that while there are times when my group may have our own name for something that we will use the official name when calling it to some other folks' attention. One problem with changing the name and consigning the older name(s) to the dustbin of history is that historic literature review becomes more difficult when names are lost or changed. Hal Michael Board of Directors,Ecologists Without Borders (http://ecowb.org/) Olympia WA 360-459-4005 360-791-7702 (C) ucd880@comcast.net > On 11/25/2023 9:25 AM PST Tom Benedict wrote: > > > The thoughtful comments of all posters on this subject are appreciated. > > I?m reminded of a comment made to me by someone who knew nothing about birding, bird names, or much natural history in general, and definitely nothing about the historical personages associated within. She told me that she was surprised to learn recently that ?Audubon? was a person. She thought ?audubon? was French for ?birdwatcher?! > > As for myself, I have used the common bird names for so long that I am irrevocably biased toward continuing to do so and thus not qualified to weigh in on the topic. Others with clearer minds and histories can better inform the discussion and process. I will happily comply with the result. > > Tom Benedict > Seahurst, WA > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From clmssh at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 13:16:27 2023 From: clmssh at comcast.net (Sharon Howard) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Black and white warbler ? Message-ID: All: From what I could learn it would seem that our area is NOT one where we would expect to find a black and white warbler. Have other examples been seen in our area before or is this an anomaly? Thank you for any information about such a delightful bird. Sharon Howard Ballard From dennispaulson at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 14:45:02 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds (dropping eponyms) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I can appreciate your viewpoint entirely, but honestly, the term ?powerful and/or influential? isn?t appropriate. These are the people who discovered these organisms and made them known to the public through the science that was being practiced at the time. Sure, a few presidents and kings have their names involved, but look into the honorific names of North American birds, and you will find the ornithologists who made them known to all of us, none of them particularly powerful and/or influential. Names of people who weren?t ornithologists refer to people loved and honored by the ornithologists who named the species. I really don?t believe that most of the people who described these birds did so to gain notoriety. They did so for the same sorts of reasons that most scientists publish their discoveries, to advance the state of knowledge of the world. Again, note that I used the term ?most,? as of course I realize that gaining notoriety is a driver of some human behavior. And there are other more selfish reasons at present. Having been in academia, I know about them, but getting tenure and research grants weren?t options in the period we are discussing. And it is a total fallacy that this was a ?person who wanted to memorialize themselves,? as people don?t name animals and plants after themselves! They name them to honor other people who they think deserve the honor because of who they are and/or what they have done. There are 10 species or subspecies of animals named after me: five dragonflies and damselflies, a frog, a lizard, a rabbit, a bat, and a snail. All were so named to acknowledge the important work I had done, in most cases discovering the animal and collecting and preserving the first specimens of it, but also to acknowledge my contributions to the field. I would say the vast majority of the names we are discussing here have exactly the same rationale, and I still don?t see that there is a more compelling rationale for taking the names away. Of course the use of my name is entirely in scientific names; none of them is named ?Paulsons?s . . . . .? In my giving common names to dragonfly species, including a couple of those paulsoni species, I stayed strictly away from creating any additional eponyms. But I did create common names honoring some of the most important people in the history of dragonfly studies (Selys, Hagen, Calvert, Williamson, Walker, Needham, Westfall) when the species had been described using their name, and I would consider it a real shame if dragonfly enthusiasts in the next decades were robbed of any mention of these important people. We are losing much by cancelling all of these explorers and scientists, and I have the impression that the proponents for doing so are not doing much to take that into account. The ad hoc committee states: ? . . . . there are other, better opportunities to commemorate historical or living figures who have made important contributions to ornithology; . . . ? But nowhere do they make it clear that they have considered these opportunities. At the very least, how about a published list of all the people who are to be cancelled and what their contributions have been? Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Nov 25, 2023, at 9:19 AM, Steve Loitz wrote: > > A non-anthropocentric view: I have long thought that wild things and wild places ought not be named for a small group of humans* who happen to have lived during a 200-year long naming spree. More than any other birder I know, I spend much of my time in wilderness, i.e., places outside the reach of, and alteration by, human development, where modern humans are mere visitors. I applauded the McKinley>Denali name change, advocate replacing "Rainier" with "Tahoma," and, although I deeply respect the man, objected to renaming the Olympic Wilderness Area for Dan Evans. > > *That the small group of humans for which NA birds were named is comprised of powerful and/or influential (now dead) white guys is not my primary beef, although I respect that basis for objection. > > Sure, the name changes will be a PITA, but nature is so much bigger than us. And, now more than ever, we need to be reminded of that. > > -- > Steve Loitz > Ellensburg, WA > steveloitz@gmail.com _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gnbuzz at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 14:45:39 2023 From: gnbuzz at comcast.net (Glenn Nelson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race Message-ID: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> Hello all, I have subscribed to and contributed to this list-serve for a few decades, and appreciate (almost) all of the knowledge that has been shared. Even so, as a non-white person, I continue to struggle to feel a part of the world that is represented here. This conversation doesn't help, but it also probably shouldn't matter. The one thing all of us are powerless to stop is change. And the change in this context is the demographics of our region and nation and, reflected in a little bit of that, the growing lack of appetite for eponymous names. I wish more people would spend more time understanding these changes and what they mean and not feel like evolution is the product of being "erased" or "canceled." We all do things differently than those who came before us; most of the time, we don't feel threatened by that difference and adapt. >From my perspective, naming things and places after humans (well, mostly men (and, well, mostly white men)) is so Western European. In many cultures of color, including mine and particularly the Indigenous people of these lands, things and places are named descriptively. What better way to pass on our knowledge and love for birds and other components of nature than to represent them in a many that is innately understood and cause to scamper to web searches only to discover that someone's name doesn't really contribute to the understanding of creatures, things, and places? The legion of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color in the birding world is growing exponentially, here and across the country. It's an unstoppable force and shouldn't be feared because we have birds in common, among other things. It would be a shame to lack any crossover between old and new -- to maintain separate circles of bird lovers. The new will inevitably replace the old. Don't we want to influence the future security of the creatures that we love by sharing our knowledge and enthusiasm for them with people who are younger and browner than us? Yes, things will change (and likely need to) before we're all gone. We will adapt, unless bitterness stops us. For a portion of my life, one of the main busy roads in south Seattle, where I grew up and still live, was called Empire Way. It's been Martin Luther King Jr. Way since all the signs got changed by 1984. I've never felt lost, then or now. It's only a name, after all. Let's hang on to things more useful and meaningful. Best, Glenn Nelson, Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dottie at hevanet.com Sat Nov 25 15:04:24 2023 From: dottie at hevanet.com (dottie@hevanet.com) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race In-Reply-To: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> References: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <04e801da1ff3$bc6a7ba0$353f72e0$@hevanet.com> Your writing will hopefully be read my many. Admittedly, it tears at my heart. Dottie Belknap SW Portland From: Tweeters On Behalf Of Glenn Nelson Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 2:46 PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race Hello all, I have subscribed to and contributed to this list-serve for a few decades, and appreciate (almost) all of the knowledge that has been shared. Even so, as a non-white person, I continue to struggle to feel a part of the world that is represented here. This conversation doesn't help, but it also probably shouldn't matter. The one thing all of us are powerless to stop is change. And the change in this context is the demographics of our region and nation and, reflected in a little bit of that, the growing lack of appetite for eponymous names. I wish more people would spend more time understanding these changes and what they mean and not feel like evolution is the product of being "erased" or "canceled." We all do things differently than those who came before us; most of the time, we don't feel threatened by that difference and adapt. >From my perspective, naming things and places after humans (well, mostly men (and, well, mostly white men)) is so Western European. In many cultures of color, including mine and particularly the Indigenous people of these lands, things and places are named descriptively. What better way to pass on our knowledge and love for birds and other components of nature than to represent them in a many that is innately understood and cause to scamper to web searches only to discover that someone's name doesn't really contribute to the understanding of creatures, things, and places? The legion of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color in the birding world is growing exponentially, here and across the country. It's an unstoppable force and shouldn't be feared because we have birds in common, among other things. It would be a shame to lack any crossover between old and new -- to maintain separate circles of bird lovers. The new will inevitably replace the old. Don't we want to influence the future security of the creatures that we love by sharing our knowledge and enthusiasm for them with people who are younger and browner than us? Yes, things will change (and likely need to) before we're all gone. We will adapt, unless bitterness stops us. For a portion of my life, one of the main busy roads in south Seattle, where I grew up and still live, was called Empire Way. It's been Martin Luther King Jr. Way since all the signs got changed by 1984. I've never felt lost, then or now. It's only a name, after all. Let's hang on to things more useful and meaningful. Best, Glenn Nelson, Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveloitz at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 15:33:56 2023 From: steveloitz at gmail.com (Steve Loitz) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds (dropping eponyms) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dennis, First, you chose to lead with a rebuttal of an ancillary point in my statement. I plainly stated that eponyms derived from the names of powerful and/or influential people (e.g., Lewis, Clark) was NOT my primary beef. I mentioned it in a footnote. (Note the asterisk in my original post.) Again, I object to naming wild things or wild places after humans -- of any social status. Second, I never suggested that bird eponyms were assigned to "gain notoriety" or as an ego trip. That was not in my posting. Maybe you've confused me with someone else. Third, I respectfully decline to go down the "cancel culture" rabbit hole. The AOU nor anyone else has suggested that those people be wiped from history, text books and other reference works. I have read all of the Tweeters postings on this subject matter. I appreciate the thoughtful offerings of you and others, but I remain unmoved from my belief that wild things and wild places should not be named after individual humans. Steve Loitz Ellensburg On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 2:45?PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > Steve, I can appreciate your viewpoint entirely, but honestly, the term > ?powerful and/or influential? isn?t appropriate. These are the people who > discovered these organisms and made them known to the public through the > science that was being practiced at the time. Sure, a few presidents and > kings have their names involved, but look into the honorific names of North > American birds, and you will find the ornithologists who made them known to > all of us, none of them particularly powerful and/or influential. Names of > people who weren?t ornithologists refer to people loved and honored by the > ornithologists who named the species. > > I really don?t believe that most of the people who described these birds > did so to gain notoriety. They did so for the same sorts of reasons that > most scientists publish their discoveries, to advance the state of > knowledge of the world. Again, note that I used the term ?most,? as of > course I realize that gaining notoriety is a driver of some human behavior. > And there are other more selfish reasons at present. Having been in > academia, I know about them, but getting tenure and research grants weren?t > options in the period we are discussing. > > And it is a total fallacy that this was a ?person who wanted to > memorialize themselves,? as people don?t name animals and plants after > themselves! They name them to honor other people who they think deserve the > honor because of who they are and/or what they have done. > > There are 10 species or subspecies of animals named after me: five > dragonflies and damselflies, a frog, a lizard, a rabbit, a bat, and a > snail. All were so named to acknowledge the important work I had done, in > most cases discovering the animal and collecting and preserving the first > specimens of it, but also to acknowledge my contributions to the field. I > would say the vast majority of the names we are discussing here have > exactly the same rationale, and I still don?t see that there is a more > compelling rationale for taking the names away. > > Of course the use of my name is entirely in scientific names; none of them > is named ?Paulsons?s . . . . .? In my giving common names to dragonfly > species, including a couple of those *paulsoni* species, I stayed > strictly away from creating any additional eponyms. But I did create common > names honoring some of the most important people in the history of > dragonfly studies (Selys, Hagen, Calvert, Williamson, Walker, Needham, > Westfall) when the species had been described using their name, and I would > consider it a real shame if dragonfly enthusiasts in the next decades were > robbed of any mention of these important people. > > We are losing much by cancelling all of these explorers and scientists, > and I have the impression that the proponents for doing so are not doing > much to take that into account. The ad hoc committee states: ? . . . . > there are other, better opportunities to commemorate historical or living > figures who have made important contributions to ornithology; . . . ? But > nowhere do they make it clear that they have considered these > opportunities. At the very least, how about a published list of all the > people who are to be cancelled and what their contributions have been? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Nov 25, 2023, at 9:19 AM, Steve Loitz wrote: > > A non-anthropocentric view: I have long thought that wild things and wild > places ought not be named for a small group of humans* who happen to have > lived during a 200-year long naming spree. More than any other birder I > know, I spend much of my time in wilderness, i.e., places outside the reach > of, and alteration by, human development, where modern humans are mere > visitors. I applauded the McKinley>Denali name change, advocate replacing > "Rainier" with "Tahoma," and, although I deeply respect the man, objected > to renaming the Olympic Wilderness Area for Dan Evans. > > *That the small group of humans for which NA birds were named is comprised > of powerful and/or influential (now dead) white guys is not my primary > beef, although I respect that basis for objection. > > Sure, the name changes will be a PITA, but nature is so much bigger than > us. And, now more than ever, we need to be reminded of that. > > -- > Steve Loitz > Ellensburg, WA > steveloitz@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > -- Steve Loitz Ellensburg, WA steveloitz@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dennispaulson at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 15:57:33 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds, and other things In-Reply-To: <575947144.314980.1700946388891@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> <1526541529.323068.1700893851835@connect.xfinity.com> <690110215.362303.1700928331455@connect.xfinity.com> <8418A7C1-23E2-4D27-A231-D7787C245986@comcast.net> <575947144.314980.1700946388891@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <5279C385-E18F-4361-807B-4330322E7120@comcast.net> On Nov 25, 2023, at 1:06 PM, HAL MICHAEL wrote: > > One problem with changing the name and consigning the older name(s) to the dustbin of history is that historic literature review becomes more difficult when names are lost or changed. And this is especially true for birds, for which so much of the written word lacks the scientific name to go along with it, making it clear what it actually is! How good it would be if a future popular articles were titled something like ?Suet-eating Warbler, Setophaga townsendi, parasitizes cowbird.? Several other names I came up with for this species were already taken by other warblers, so that committee has its work cut out for it! Dennis Paulson Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dkreft052 at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 16:29:49 2023 From: dkreft052 at gmail.com (David Kreft) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds, and other things In-Reply-To: <5279C385-E18F-4361-807B-4330322E7120@comcast.net> References: <1B469736-C69B-4F90-A303-D2D69C1DA6CB@gmail.com> <1526541529.323068.1700893851835@connect.xfinity.com> <690110215.362303.1700928331455@connect.xfinity.com> <8418A7C1-23E2-4D27-A231-D7787C245986@comcast.net> <575947144.314980.1700946388891@connect.xfinity.com> <5279C385-E18F-4361-807B-4330322E7120@comcast.net> Message-ID: Many established Latin genus names and specific epithets are inaccurate descriptors. It?s true. But we shouldn?t change them for the reasons Dennis has mentioned. If those don?t change there is no science-based reason to mess with the English name. That means it?s a sociological construct to change them. But what do I know. I?m a retired government bureaucrat trained in arid land plant ecology. I hope the AOS takes public input seriously. If sociology wins I just hope American Coot is renamed the Greater Northern Ivorybill. A much more descriptive, and noble, name. Lighten up folks. Let?s not take it personal. Dave Kreft Amateur Bystander At Large P.S. Go Cougs. On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 3:58 PM Dennis Paulson wrote: > On Nov 25, 2023, at 1:06 PM, HAL MICHAEL wrote: > > > One problem with changing the name and consigning the older name(s) to the > dustbin of history is that historic literature review becomes more > difficult when names are lost or changed. > > > And this is especially true for birds, for which so much of the written > word lacks the scientific name to go along with it, making it clear what it > actually is! How good it would be if a future popular articles were titled > something like ?Suet-eating Warbler, *Setophaga townsendi*, parasitizes > cowbird.? Several other names I came up with for this species were > already taken by other warblers, so that committee has its work cut out for > it! > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dennispaulson at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 16:49:52 2023 From: dennispaulson at comcast.net (Dennis Paulson) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:41:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Renaming birds (dropping eponyms) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve, I was writing to respond to what several people have said here and elsewhere. I didn?t intend to ascribe my comments to be rebuttals to all of yours, and I apologize if it came across that way. Dennis > On Nov 25, 2023, at 3:33 PM, Steve Loitz wrote: > > Dennis, > > First, you chose to lead with a rebuttal of an ancillary point in my statement. I plainly stated that eponyms derived from the names of powerful and/or influential people (e.g., Lewis, Clark) was NOT my primary beef. I mentioned it in a footnote. (Note the asterisk in my original post.) Again, I object to naming wild things or wild places after humans -- of any social status. > > Second, I never suggested that bird eponyms were assigned to "gain notoriety" or as an ego trip. That was not in my posting. Maybe you've confused me with someone else. > > Third, I respectfully decline to go down the "cancel culture" rabbit hole. The AOU nor anyone else has suggested that those people be wiped from history, text books and other reference works. > > I have read all of the Tweeters postings on this subject matter. I appreciate the thoughtful offerings of you and others, but I remain unmoved from my belief that wild things and wild places should not be named after individual humans. > > Steve Loitz > Ellensburg > > > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 2:45?PM Dennis Paulson > wrote: > Steve, I can appreciate your viewpoint entirely, but honestly, the term ?powerful and/or influential? isn?t appropriate. These are the people who discovered these organisms and made them known to the public through the science that was being practiced at the time. Sure, a few presidents and kings have their names involved, but look into the honorific names of North American birds, and you will find the ornithologists who made them known to all of us, none of them particularly powerful and/or influential. Names of people who weren?t ornithologists refer to people loved and honored by the ornithologists who named the species. > > I really don?t believe that most of the people who described these birds did so to gain notoriety. They did so for the same sorts of reasons that most scientists publish their discoveries, to advance the state of knowledge of the world. Again, note that I used the term ?most,? as of course I realize that gaining notoriety is a driver of some human behavior. And there are other more selfish reasons at present. Having been in academia, I know about them, but getting tenure and research grants weren?t options in the period we are discussing. > > And it is a total fallacy that this was a ?person who wanted to memorialize themselves,? as people don?t name animals and plants after themselves! They name them to honor other people who they think deserve the honor because of who they are and/or what they have done. > > There are 10 species or subspecies of animals named after me: five dragonflies and damselflies, a frog, a lizard, a rabbit, a bat, and a snail. All were so named to acknowledge the important work I had done, in most cases discovering the animal and collecting and preserving the first specimens of it, but also to acknowledge my contributions to the field. I would say the vast majority of the names we are discussing here have exactly the same rationale, and I still don?t see that there is a more compelling rationale for taking the names away. > > Of course the use of my name is entirely in scientific names; none of them is named ?Paulsons?s . . . . .? In my giving common names to dragonfly species, including a couple of those paulsoni species, I stayed strictly away from creating any additional eponyms. But I did create common names honoring some of the most important people in the history of dragonfly studies (Selys, Hagen, Calvert, Williamson, Walker, Needham, Westfall) when the species had been described using their name, and I would consider it a real shame if dragonfly enthusiasts in the next decades were robbed of any mention of these important people. > > We are losing much by cancelling all of these explorers and scientists, and I have the impression that the proponents for doing so are not doing much to take that into account. The ad hoc committee states: ? . . . . there are other, better opportunities to commemorate historical or living figures who have made important contributions to ornithology; . . . ? But nowhere do they make it clear that they have considered these opportunities. At the very least, how about a published list of all the people who are to be cancelled and what their contributions have been? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > >> On Nov 25, 2023, at 9:19 AM, Steve Loitz > wrote: >> >> A non-anthropocentric view: I have long thought that wild things and wild places ought not be named for a small group of humans* who happen to have lived during a 200-year long naming spree. More than any other birder I know, I spend much of my time in wilderness, i.e., places outside the reach of, and alteration by, human development, where modern humans are mere visitors. I applauded the McKinley>Denali name change, advocate replacing "Rainier" with "Tahoma," and, although I deeply respect the man, objected to renaming the Olympic Wilderness Area for Dan Evans. >> >> *That the small group of humans for which NA birds were named is comprised of powerful and/or influential (now dead) white guys is not my primary beef, although I respect that basis for objection. >> >> Sure, the name changes will be a PITA, but nature is so much bigger than us. And, now more than ever, we need to be reminded of that. >> >> -- >> Steve Loitz >> Ellensburg, WA >> steveloitz@gmail.com _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > > -- > Steve Loitz > Ellensburg, WA > steveloitz@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From knasnan at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 17:22:09 2023 From: knasnan at gmail.com (Laurel Parshall) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] To 're-' name or not to, those are the things we all can question... and discuss Message-ID: Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual 'perches' of our life spectrums. Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected for the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever sort that out. Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on the intention and the perception of the receiver. It did lighten my mind and then provoke my response. Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not. 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On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 5:17?PM Laurel Parshall wrote: > Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual > 'perches' of our life spectrums. > Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected for > the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being > female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was > it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever > sort that out. Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on > the intention and the perception of the receiver. > It did lighten my mind and then provoke my response. > Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the > bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not. > Laurel Parshall in Gig Harbor/Key Peninsula kehlilanasnan at Yahoo the dot > com-place > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenbrownpls at comcast.net Sat Nov 25 17:35:51 2023 From: kenbrownpls at comcast.net (Kenneth Brown) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race In-Reply-To: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> References: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1110962619.344058.1700962551412@connect.xfinity.com> Well said Mr. Nelson. > On 11/25/2023 2:45 PM PST Glenn Nelson wrote: > > > Hello all, > > I have subscribed to and contributed to this list-serve for a few decades, and appreciate (almost) all of the knowledge that has been shared. Even so, as a non-white person, I continue to struggle to feel a part of the world that is represented here. This conversation doesn't help, but it also probably shouldn't matter. The one thing all of us are powerless to stop is change. And the change in this context is the demographics of our region and nation and, reflected in a little bit of that, the growing lack of appetite for eponymous names. I wish more people would spend more time understanding these changes and what they mean and not feel like evolution is the product of being "erased" or "canceled." We all do things differently than those who came before us; most of the time, we don't feel threatened by that difference and adapt. > > From my perspective, naming things and places after humans (well, mostly men (and, well, mostly white men)) is so Western European. In many cultures of color, including mine and particularly the Indigenous people of these lands, things and places are named descriptively. What better way to pass on our knowledge and love for birds and other components of nature than to represent them in a many that is innately understood and cause to scamper to web searches only to discover that someone's name doesn't really contribute to the understanding of creatures, things, and places? > > The legion of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color in the birding world is growing exponentially, here and across the country. It's an unstoppable force and shouldn't be feared because we have birds in common, among other things. It would be a shame to lack any crossover between old and new -- to maintain separate circles of bird lovers. The new will inevitably replace the old. Don't we want to influence the future security of the creatures that we love by sharing our knowledge and enthusiasm for them with people who are younger and browner than us? > > Yes, things will change (and likely need to) before we're all gone. We will adapt, unless bitterness stops us. For a portion of my life, one of the main busy roads in south Seattle, where I grew up and still live, was called Empire Way. It's been Martin Luther King Jr. Way since all the signs got changed by 1984. I've never felt lost, then or now. It's only a name, after all. Let's hang on to things more useful and meaningful. > > Best, > Glenn Nelson, > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tcstonefam at gmail.com Sat Nov 25 18:50:20 2023 From: tcstonefam at gmail.com (Tom and Carol Stoner) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Bird Names - Common, Scientific, Regional Message-ID: Once upon a time, I was given an old bird guide for eastern North American species with an index that included scientific names and common and regional names. I had an enchanted evening discovering all the unusual regional names for birds I knew or hoped to see. Best time reading an index I will ever have. I will do my best to shift my poor brain to the new terminology when it arrives. But I will always mourn the passing of the Water Ouzel. American Dipper just doesn't "sing" for me, even though I use it, and I'm always delighted to see the bird. Carol Stoner West Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Which, after the 19th century US government (military/bureaucratic) and British/Canadian (bureaucratic) genocides of the indigenous inhabitants, might explain the absence of much prior nomenclature and classification from the people who had lived here for thousands of years and had, therefore, thousands of years-worth of intimate empirical knowledge and their own nomenclature and life histories of North American bird species prior to the advent of European science. Granted, European science may have been more formalised and perhaps more systematic, but to assume a European precedence which has ignored and/or denigrated such a knowledge base is, frankly, to me, an enormous waste of a wealth of knowledge. Incidentally, I have a book of 'original' (i.e., hunters') bird names of North American birds. Many are outright racist/misogynist names to which no nomenclatural committee would *dare* to return today (pop quiz: which sea duck was commonly called 'n-word-head?), yet changing them at the time engendered debates as heated as those now occurring concerning possibly dodgy honorifics. I love to watch this same process happening in real time. But then I have always felt that setting cats among pigeons should be an Olympic sport. But it's worth remembering this controversy is part of a larger struggle: to find and achieve justice. Always simple to say, always difficult to do. But we have to keep at it. As Paul McCartney sang, "With every mistake/We must surely be learning..." best, m -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From r_craik at shaw.ca Sun Nov 26 15:42:13 2023 From: r_craik at shaw.ca (Roger Craik) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01c4aac2-242e-4e9a-9795-8279618b820b@shaw.ca> Hi Michael and Tweets "There are more 34 First Nation languages in British Columbia, representing more than half of all First Nation?languages in Canada" Then, there's the US and Mexico. Not quite sure how you would rationalize incorporating of all this prior knowledge into a compendium of bird names familiar across North America or the rest of the world, for that matter. Just for starters whose name would be picked for what bird? Lots of potential for offending different groups there. Do we identify birds by habitat, geography or human cultural areas? This whole discussion looks more like trying to take the fun out of birding as opposed to doing anything productive. Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC On 2023-11-26 2:33 p.m., Michael Price wrote: > Hi Tweets > > It's said that history is written by the victors.? Which, after the > 19th century US government (military/bureaucratic) and > British/Canadian (bureaucratic) genocides of the indigenous > inhabitants, might explain the absence of much prior nomenclature and > classification from the people who had lived here for thousands of > years and had, therefore, thousands of years-worth of intimate > empirical knowledge and their own nomenclature and life histories of > North American bird species prior to the advent of European science. > Granted, European science may have been more formalised and perhaps > more systematic, but to assume a European precedence which has ignored > and/or denigrated such a knowledge base is, frankly, to me, an > enormous waste of a wealth of knowledge. > > > Incidentally, I have a book of 'original' (i.e., hunters') bird names > of North American birds. Many are outright racist/misogynist names to > which no nomenclatural committee would *dare* to return today (pop > quiz: which sea duck was commonly called 'n-word-head?), yet changing > them at the time engendered debates as heated as those now occurring > concerning possibly dodgy honorifics. I love to watch this same > process happening in real time. But then I have always felt that > setting cats among pigeons should be an Olympic sport. > > > But it's worth remembering this controversy is part of a larger > struggle: to find and achieve justice. Always simple to say, always > difficult to do. But we have to keep at it. As Paul McCartney sang, > "With every mistake/We must surely be learning..." > > best, m > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From masonflint at outlook.com Sun Nov 26 15:50:20 2023 From: masonflint at outlook.com (Mason Flint) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race In-Reply-To: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> References: <0a1396b7-2745-8169-d853-3c92cf32fbf4@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well said. Reasonable people disagree on this topic and change can be uncomfortable. It may not be a coincidence that many (most?) of the people who seem most resistant to these changes are, like me, white men. I'm not throwing stones but appreciate hearing other perspectives. Mason Flint Bellevue, WA ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Glenn Nelson Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 2:46 PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race Hello all, I have subscribed to and contributed to this list-serve for a few decades, and appreciate (almost) all of the knowledge that has been shared. Even so, as a non-white person, I continue to struggle to feel a part of the world that is represented here. This conversation doesn't help, but it also probably shouldn't matter. The one thing all of us are powerless to stop is change. And the change in this context is the demographics of our region and nation and, reflected in a little bit of that, the growing lack of appetite for eponymous names. I wish more people would spend more time understanding these changes and what they mean and not feel like evolution is the product of being "erased" or "canceled." We all do things differently than those who came before us; most of the time, we don't feel threatened by that difference and adapt. >From my perspective, naming things and places after humans (well, mostly men (and, well, mostly white men)) is so Western European. In many cultures of color, including mine and particularly the Indigenous people of these lands, things and places are named descriptively. What better way to pass on our knowledge and love for birds and other components of nature than to represent them in a many that is innately understood and cause to scamper to web searches only to discover that someone's name doesn't really contribute to the understanding of creatures, things, and places? The legion of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color in the birding world is growing exponentially, here and across the country. It's an unstoppable force and shouldn't be feared because we have birds in common, among other things. It would be a shame to lack any crossover between old and new -- to maintain separate circles of bird lovers. The new will inevitably replace the old. Don't we want to influence the future security of the creatures that we love by sharing our knowledge and enthusiasm for them with people who are younger and browner than us? Yes, things will change (and likely need to) before we're all gone. We will adapt, unless bitterness stops us. For a portion of my life, one of the main busy roads in south Seattle, where I grew up and still live, was called Empire Way. It's been Martin Luther King Jr. Way since all the signs got changed by 1984. I've never felt lost, then or now. It's only a name, after all. Let's hang on to things more useful and meaningful. Best, Glenn Nelson, Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ednewbold1 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 26 15:57:29 2023 From: ednewbold1 at yahoo.com (Ed Newbold) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] I've got more names for the dump References: <81654325.6536894.1701043049192.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81654325.6536894.1701043049192@mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, This name changing thing could be just what bird-love, I mean bird-conservation needs. Everyone gets interested, pro or con, and people on both sides are moved to eloquence, and I don't know anyone who fully realizes just how true it is when they say: "There is no such thing as bad publicity." I want to suggest another group of names for the trash heap. Common Nighthawk, Common Tern, Common Loon, Common Eider, Common Ground-dove, Common Goldeneye, Common Black-Hawk, Common Grackle, you get the point. I see epic struggles in the future needed to save some of these birds from extinction and it makes it harder to be an advocate when you are trying to tell someone who is not up to speed that the Common so-and-so is very rare and desperately needs your help. Also, I get that a whole lot of people know and use this name but what about Booby? Can we get this changed right away? This is based on an insult, not of an oppressed group for once but to the bird itself as I understand. Years ago when I was trying to experiment with creating my own little news-service I put out a press release saying that a Brown Booby had just been spotted in Washington and sent it to all the major news outlets.? All I heard back were a few snickers. I do think that new names should be good. Can we go to aboriginal languages?? Can we take the time to find really good names? I used to love the name Blue Grouse, and now I can't stand it when I have to say Dusky or Sooty, they are just crappy names in my opinion. Thanks all! Ed Newbold Beacon Hill Seattle, WA twee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From downess at charter.net Sun Nov 26 16:38:21 2023 From: downess at charter.net (Scott Downes) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hal Michael Board of Directors, Ecologists Without Borders http://ecowb.org/ Olympia WA 360-459-4005 360-791-7702 (C) ucd880@comcast.net > On 11/25/2023 5:34 PM PST Steve Hampton wrote: > > > The "Birds of the World" species accounts offer detailed information on just about every aspect of every species. Access to this online resource is complimentary with membership in the Washington Ornithological Society. From the account for ?Akohekohe: > > "'?kohekohe (pronounced "ah ko-hay ko-hay"), is derived from one of the calls it commonly gives from the treetops of the rain forest." > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 5:17?PM Laurel Parshall wrote: > > > Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual 'perches' of our life spectrums. > > Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected for the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever sort that out. Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on the intention and the perception of the receiver. > > It did lighten my mind and then provoke my response. > > Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not. > > Laurel Parshall in Gig Harbor/Key Peninsula kehlilanasnan at Yahoo the dot com-place > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu mailto:Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then a crow flew to the neighboring roof with something in its bill.? I got a better angle, and sure enough, the crow proceeded to pluck the goldfinch (!).? I knew they ate a lot of chicks, but catching an adult finch on an open perch?? I think the finch being alone was its mistake.? Another reason not to feed crows.? While I have you, questions about my augmented junco in the Licton Springs neighborhood.? I know some have extra white, but this one matches one I had at my prior residence the last few years, on Capitol Hill.? This one's not quite as dark, and the white feathers may not be as long.? They're male Oregons, with little white patches, one either side, below and behind the ear area in the dark hood.? The white feathers are a little longer than the surrounding plumage.? He didn't follow me north.? Is this a known variant?? How common are they? 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My challenges learning about Harlan's Hawks include identifying and winnowing chaff. Today I did a quick Google search for the origin of the Harlan name, and came up with this article. It's unsurprisingly disturbing. https://matthewhalley.wordpress.com/2020/10/23/harlan-of-harlans-hawk-hustling-skulls-since-1826/ This is the first time I've read Matthew R. Halley's writing. There's more of it here that I'm looking forward to reading: https://matthewhalley.wordpress.com/author/matthewhalley/ I applaud Matthew for being an eloquent skeptic and for recognizing that calling out bad behavior is a necessary part of scientific endeavors. Please promote ethical birding everywhere you can. Good Birding, https://www.aba.org/aba-code-of-birding-ethics/ Kevin Lucas Yakima County, Washington *Qui tacet consentire videtur* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Previously, Woody worked for environmental nonprofits including, The Nature Conservancy, Audubon Society and Seattle Parks Foundation. He helped these groups protect natural areas, establish nature centers, park lands and bicycle/pedestrian trails. -----Original Message----- From: Tweeters On Behalf Of tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu Sent: Monday, November 27, 2023 12:04 PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Tweeters Digest, Vol 231, Issue 27 Send Tweeters mailing list submissions to tweeters@u.washington.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tweeters-request@mailman11.u.washington.edu You can reach the person managing the list at tweeters-owner@mailman11.u.washington.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tweeters digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Michael Price) 2. Re: Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Roger Craik) 3. Re: Eponymous names, change, & race (Mason Flint) 4. I've got more names for the dump (Ed Newbold) 5. Re: re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Scott Downes) 6. Re: bird names --- ?Akohekohe name (HAL MICHAEL) 7. The Birdbooker Report (Ian Paulsen) 8. Carnation Swans and Geese (Hank Heiberg) 9. Black and white warbler (Zora Monster) 10. rude (pan) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:33:39 -0800 From: Michael Price To: tweeters Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Tweets It's said that history is written by the victors. Which, after the 19th century US government (military/bureaucratic) and British/Canadian (bureaucratic) genocides of the indigenous inhabitants, might explain the absence of much prior nomenclature and classification from the people who had lived here for thousands of years and had, therefore, thousands of years-worth of intimate empirical knowledge and their own nomenclature and life histories of North American bird species prior to the advent of European science. Granted, European science may have been more formalised and perhaps more systematic, but to assume a European precedence which has ignored and/or denigrated such a knowledge base is, frankly, to me, an enormous waste of a wealth of knowledge. Incidentally, I have a book of 'original' (i.e., hunters') bird names of North American birds. Many are outright racist/misogynist names to which no nomenclatural committee would *dare* to return today (pop quiz: which sea duck was commonly called 'n-word-head?), yet changing them at the time engendered debates as heated as those now occurring concerning possibly dodgy honorifics. I love to watch this same process happening in real time. But then I have always felt that setting cats among pigeons should be an Olympic sport. But it's worth remembering this controversy is part of a larger struggle: to find and achieve justice. Always simple to say, always difficult to do. But we have to keep at it. As Paul McCartney sang, "With every mistake/We must surely be learning..." best, m -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:42:13 -0800 From: Roger Craik To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds Message-ID: <01c4aac2-242e-4e9a-9795-8279618b820b@shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Hi Michael and Tweets "There are more 34 First Nation languages in British Columbia, representing more than half of all First Nation?languages in Canada" Then, there's the US and Mexico. Not quite sure how you would rationalize incorporating of all this prior knowledge into a compendium of bird names familiar across North America or the rest of the world, for that matter. Just for starters whose name would be picked for what bird? Lots of potential for offending different groups there. Do we identify birds by habitat, geography or human cultural areas? This whole discussion looks more like trying to take the fun out of birding as opposed to doing anything productive. Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC On 2023-11-26 2:33 p.m., Michael Price wrote: > Hi Tweets > > It's said that history is written by the victors.? Which, after the > 19th century US government (military/bureaucratic) and > British/Canadian (bureaucratic) genocides of the indigenous > inhabitants, might explain the absence of much prior nomenclature and > classification from the people who had lived here for thousands of > years and had, therefore, thousands of years-worth of intimate > empirical knowledge and their own nomenclature and life histories of > North American bird species prior to the advent of European science. > Granted, European science may have been more formalised and perhaps > more systematic, but to assume a European precedence which has ignored > and/or denigrated such a knowledge base is, frankly, to me, an > enormous waste of a wealth of knowledge. > > > Incidentally, I have a book of 'original' (i.e., hunters') bird names > of North American birds. Many are outright racist/misogynist names to > which no nomenclatural committee would *dare* to return today (pop > quiz: which sea duck was commonly called 'n-word-head?), yet changing > them at the time engendered debates as heated as those now occurring > concerning possibly dodgy honorifics. I love to watch this same > process happening in real time. But then I have always felt that > setting cats among pigeons should be an Olympic sport. > > > But it's worth remembering this controversy is part of a larger > struggle: to find and achieve justice. Always simple to say, always > difficult to do. But we have to keep at it. As Paul McCartney sang, > "With every mistake/We must surely be learning..." > > best, m > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 23:50:20 +0000 From: Mason Flint To: Glenn Nelson , "tweeters@u.washington.edu" Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Well said. Reasonable people disagree on this topic and change can be uncomfortable. It may not be a coincidence that many (most?) of the people who seem most resistant to these changes are, like me, white men. I'm not throwing stones but appreciate hearing other perspectives. Mason Flint Bellevue, WA ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Glenn Nelson Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 2:46 PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race Hello all, I have subscribed to and contributed to this list-serve for a few decades, and appreciate (almost) all of the knowledge that has been shared. Even so, as a non-white person, I continue to struggle to feel a part of the world that is represented here. This conversation doesn't help, but it also probably shouldn't matter. The one thing all of us are powerless to stop is change. And the change in this context is the demographics of our region and nation and, reflected in a little bit of that, the growing lack of appetite for eponymous names. I wish more people would spend more time understanding these changes and what they mean and not feel like evolution is the product of being "erased" or "canceled." We all do things differently than those who came before us; most of the time, we don't feel threatened by that difference and adapt. >From my perspective, naming things and places after humans (well, mostly men (and, well, mostly white men)) is so Western European. In many cultures of color, including mine and particularly the Indigenous people of these lands, things and places are named descriptively. What better way to pass on our knowledge and love for birds and other components of nature than to represent them in a many that is innately understood and cause to scamper to web searches only to discover that someone's name doesn't really contribute to the understanding of creatures, things, and places? The legion of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color in the birding world is growing exponentially, here and across the country. It's an unstoppable force and shouldn't be feared because we have birds in common, among other things. It would be a shame to lack any crossover between old and new -- to maintain separate circles of bird lovers. The new will inevitably replace the old. Don't we want to influence the future security of the creatures that we love by sharing our knowledge and enthusiasm for them with people who are younger and browner than us? Yes, things will change (and likely need to) before we're all gone. We will adapt, unless bitterness stops us. For a portion of my life, one of the main busy roads in south Seattle, where I grew up and still live, was called Empire Way. It's been Martin Luther King Jr. Way since all the signs got changed by 1984. I've never felt lost, then or now. It's only a name, after all. Let's hang on to things more useful and meaningful. Best, Glenn Nelson, Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 23:57:29 +0000 (UTC) From: Ed Newbold To: Tweeters Tweeters Subject: [Tweeters] I've got more names for the dump Message-ID: <81654325.6536894.1701043049192@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi all, This name changing thing could be just what bird-love, I mean bird-conservation needs. Everyone gets interested, pro or con, and people on both sides are moved to eloquence, and I don't know anyone who fully realizes just how true it is when they say: "There is no such thing as bad publicity." I want to suggest another group of names for the trash heap. Common Nighthawk, Common Tern, Common Loon, Common Eider, Common Ground-dove, Common Goldeneye, Common Black-Hawk, Common Grackle, you get the point. I see epic struggles in the future needed to save some of these birds from extinction and it makes it harder to be an advocate when you are trying to tell someone who is not up to speed that the Common so-and-so is very rare and desperately needs your help. Also, I get that a whole lot of people know and use this name but what about Booby? Can we get this changed right away? This is based on an insult, not of an oppressed group for once but to the bird itself as I understand. Years ago when I was trying to experiment with creating my own little news-service I put out a press release saying that a Brown Booby had just been spotted in Washington and sent it to all the major news outlets.? All I heard back were a few snickers. I do think that new names should be good. Can we go to aboriginal languages?? Can we take the time to find really good names? I used to love the name Blue Grouse, and now I can't stand it when I have to say Dusky or Sooty, they are just crappy names in my opinion. Thanks all! Ed Newbold Beacon Hill Seattle, WA twee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:38:21 -0800 From: Scott Downes To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:44:21 -0800 (PST) From: HAL MICHAEL To: Steve Hampton , TWEETERS tweeters Subject: Re: [Tweeters] bird names --- ?Akohekohe name Message-ID: <320378986.381388.1701045861483@connect.xfinity.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Per H. Douglas Pratt in The Hawaiian Honeycreepers Drepanidinae; part of Bird Families of the World. On page 264, under Etymology: "Hawaiian name often considered simply onomatopoeic (Berlin and VanGelder 1999), but that does not explain why early naturalists create and English name for this sp. alone when valid Hawaiian one available. Hawaiians had sense of humour and loved puns; name includes kohe= vagina (Pukui and Elbert 1971), allusion to resemblance of bird's crest to pubic hair, apparently too much for Victorian sensibilities". The more things change, the more they stay the same. Hal Michael Board of Directors, Ecologists Without Borders http://ecowb.org/ Olympia WA 360-459-4005 360-791-7702 (C) ucd880@comcast.net > On 11/25/2023 5:34 PM PST Steve Hampton wrote: > > > The "Birds of the World" species accounts offer detailed information on just about every aspect of every species. Access to this online resource is complimentary with membership in the Washington Ornithological Society. From the account for ?Akohekohe: > > "'?kohekohe (pronounced "ah ko-hay ko-hay"), is derived from one of the calls it commonly gives from the treetops of the rain forest." > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 5:17?PM Laurel Parshall wrote: > > > Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual 'perches' of our life spectrums. > > Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected for the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever sort that out. Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on the intention and the perception of the receiver. > > It did lighten my mind and then provoke my response. > > Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not. > > Laurel Parshall in Gig Harbor/Key Peninsula kehlilanasnan at Yahoo > > the dot com-place _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu mailto:Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On the ground were Trumpeter Swans and at least one Tundra Swan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN-VMAVkqgI&t=6s Hank Heiberg Issaquah, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 10:34:01 -0800 From: Zora Monster To: Tweeters Subject: [Tweeters] Black and white warbler Message-ID: <4A29F951-5E7C-410F-91A1-F4EFDA429C65@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Spotted lakeside near the wading pool. Zora Dermer Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 20:42:44 +0100 (CET) From: pan To: Tweeters Subject: [Tweeters] rude Message-ID: <1510819938.908842.1701114164083@fidget.co-bxl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I refer to birds.? Yesterday afternoon, I saw a bird fly in that looked a little different, and with binoculars saw it was the first goldfinch I've had land in plain sight out my window.? (There's sometimes a small flock feeding in sycamores on the other side of some buildings.)? I was just enjoying it, through binoculars, when a large bird seemed to displace it at speed, though it didn't land.? Then I figured maybe a Cooper's Hawk had nabbed it.? No hawk visible.? Then a crow flew to the neighboring roof with something in its bill.? I got a better angle, and sure enough, the crow proceeded to pluck the goldfinch (!).? I knew they ate a lot of chicks, but catching an adult finch on an open perch?? I think the finch being alone was its mistake.? Another reason not to feed crows.? While I have you, questions about my augmented junco in the Licton Springs neighborhood.? I know some have extra white, but this one matches one I had at my prior residence the last few years, on Capitol Hill.? This one's not quite as dark, and the white feathers may not be as long.? They're male Oregons, with little white patches, one either side, below and behind the ear area in the dark hood.? The white feathers are a little longer than the surrounding plumage.? He didn't follow me north.? Is this a known variant?? How common are they? Good birding, Alan Grenon Seattle panmail AT mailfence period com -- Sent with https://mailfence.com Secure and private email -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@mailman11.u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters ------------------------------ End of Tweeters Digest, Vol 231, Issue 27 ***************************************** From karlneice at icloud.com Mon Nov 27 14:27:53 2023 From: karlneice at icloud.com (Karl Neice) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] eBird mobile trouble? Message-ID: <53C866F5-78E4-4BDF-8A41-024B367C0964@icloud.com> My eBird account won?t let me submit. Password resetting not taking. Troubleshooting at Cornell unhelpful. Anyone heard anything? From jeffo4297 at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 16:34:21 2023 From: jeffo4297 at gmail.com (jeff o) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Wiley Slough area will not be opening as this month as anticipated Message-ID: Greetings birders, dog walkers, hikers and everyone else that uses, or would like to use, the Skagit Headquarters Wildlife ARea, commonly known as Wiley Slough. WDFW wants to pass along the word that the area may not soon be open as many have anticipated. Currently there is no planned opening for the area. If we at Skagit Audubon learn anything we will share it as soon as possible. Jeff Osmundson Stanwood, Wa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From stevechampton at gmail.com Mon Nov 27 20:40:17 2023 From: stevechampton at gmail.com (Steve Hampton) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?bird_names_---_=CA=BBAkohekohe_name?= In-Reply-To: <320378986.381388.1701045861483@connect.xfinity.com> References: <320378986.381388.1701045861483@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Hal, Thank you for the additional details, which are important in conveying the true sense of the name. Indigenous humor is often far more edgy than in Victorian-influenced cultures. Joseph Pitawanakwat, an Ojibwe botanist and birder, shares quite a few Anishinaabe names that are onomatopoeias that have double (or even triple) meanings, usually mimicking the bird's call using words connected to their appearance and/or habitat. So this Hawaiian example has company in that regard. Nothing so edgy or humorous though. Joseph himself is very enjoyable and funny. I've linked one of his Zoom presentations on YouTube at the bottom of an older blog post of mine about Indigenous bird names today (e.g. condor, tanager, sora, ani). https://memoriesofthepeople.blog/2022/08/25/indigenous-bird-names-today/ The direct link to Joseph's presentation is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osUBUXf5Fjs good birding, On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 4:44?PM HAL MICHAEL wrote: > Per H. Douglas Pratt in The Hawaiian Honeycreepers Drepanidinae; part of > Bird Families of the World. > > On page 264, under Etymology: > > "Hawaiian name often considered simply onomatopoeic (Berlin and VanGelder > 1999), but that does not explain why early naturalists create and English > name for this sp. alone when valid Hawaiian one available. Hawaiians had > sense of humour and loved puns; name includes *kohe*= vagina (Pukui and > Elbert 1971), allusion to resemblance of bird's crest to pubic hair, > apparently too much for Victorian sensibilities". > > The more things change, the more they stay the same. > > > Hal Michael > Board of Directors, Ecologists Without Borders > Olympia WA > 360-459-4005 > 360-791-7702 (C) > ucd880@comcast.net > > > > On 11/25/2023 5:34 PM PST Steve Hampton wrote: > > > The "Birds of the World" species accounts offer detailed information on > just about every aspect of every species. Access to this online resource is > complimentary with membership in the Washington Ornithological Society. > From the account for ?Akohekohe: > > "'?kohekohe (pronounced "ah ko-hay ko-hay"), is derived from one of the > calls it commonly gives from the treetops of the rain forest." > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 5:17?PM Laurel Parshall > wrote: > > Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual > 'perches' of our life spectrums. > Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected for > the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being > female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was > it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever > sort that out. Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on > the intention and the perception of the receiver. > It did lighten my mind and then provoke my response. > Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the > bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not. > Laurel Parshall in Gig Harbor/Key Peninsula kehlilanasnan at Yahoo the dot > com-place > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not sure ... - Jim From hadleyj1725 at gmail.com Tue Nov 28 19:05:45 2023 From: hadleyj1725 at gmail.com (Jane Hadley) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] New information available on WOS website Message-ID: Hello Tweetsters Once again, Jim Danzenbaker, has contacted dozens of Audubon compilers and organizers around the state to get this year's Christmas Bird Count information. It has now been posted to the Washington Ornithological Society Website. The first CBC this year is Bridgeport on December 14. The last count is Jan 1st, 2024, when Everett-Marysville, Goldendale, and Skagit Bay groups will be out counting the birds. The day with the most counts scheduled is Saturday December 16. With at least 43 CBCs scheduled, you should be able to find one that suits your interest and your schedule! Jim has been gathering this information for six years. You can check out the 2023 CBCs here: https://wos.org/cbc/ Also new on the WOS website is a page listing five different WhatsApp groups organized around general birding topics or rare bird sightings. The page also explains how to join one of the groups. You can find this at: https://wos.org/birding-resources/whats-app-birding-groups-in-washington/ You might also find information of interest on the Birding Resources page: https://wos.org/birding-resources/ Anyone who joins WOS can get free access to Cornell Lab of Ornithology's wonderful Birds of the World website, which provides in-depth, comprehensive information on birds of the world. Birds of the World is normally available to subscribers at $49/year, so free access is a real bargain. Learn more at https://wos.org/birding-resources/birds-of-the-world/ Also at the website, are links to WOS's various online offerings, including the fabulous YouTube page, where you can enjoy videos of many presentations at WOS monthly meetings. 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Dennis Paulson Seattle Begin forwarded message: > > From: Rachel Kolokoff Hopper > > Subject: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS > Date: November 29, 2023 at 6:15:57 AM PST > To: Rachel Hopper > > > I have posted a rebuttal petition to AOS Leadership regarding their decision to change all eponymous bird names on change.org . > > While I feel there are many reasons to disagree with the removal of all eponyms, I think this short petition hits the main reasons why I (and others) oppose this move. I would appreciate a core set of members of the birding community to sign on to this letter and then once we have a good number of initial signees we will make it widely public for anyone to sign. > > I believe that this petition will gather a substantially greater number than the roughly 2500 who signed the initial petition that got this whole thing rolling. I believe that our voices deserve to be heard. > > A few notes before signing. > > After you sign the petition change.org takes you to a screen asking for a donation. Change.org is free and this donation is not for our cause. We are not fundraising. > > Instead, click on ?No, I?ll Share Instead? which will take you to a page that gives you multiple ways to share the petition but most importantly also provides a comment box on the right side of the page. If you want to include a membership or organizational affiliation this is the place to put that information along with any other comments you may want to share. > > Thanks for signing. > > The link to the petition is here: https://chng.it/VHyjZp5snr > > ------------------------------ > Rachel Kolokoff Hopper > Follow me on iNaturalist > rkhphotography.net > hopko@comcast.net > Ft. Collins, CO > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zoramon at mac.com Wed Nov 29 08:42:23 2023 From: zoramon at mac.com (Zora Monster) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89E646E0-2BF7-43BF-9DB8-5013BEE0362D@mac.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From melocq22 at msn.com Wed Nov 29 10:02:36 2023 From: melocq22 at msn.com (Carmelo Quetell) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS In-Reply-To: <89E646E0-2BF7-43BF-9DB8-5013BEE0362D@mac.com> References: <89E646E0-2BF7-43BF-9DB8-5013BEE0362D@mac.com> Message-ID: For the sake of time, let's get straight to the elephant in the room: Dennis, while your contributions (and the contributions of countless others past and present) are greatly respected and appreciated in the worlds of birding, academia, and science (I personally love your field guide Shorebirds of North America: The Photographic Guide), you did not "discover" anything. The people who were memorialized with these eponymous bird names did not "discover" anything. You can't "discover" an autonomous, sentient being that people have been naming and forming connections with all over the continent and around the world since time immemorial. The very belief and sentiment that you or anyone "discovered" a species, consciously or subconsciously, attempts to take away the sovereignty of that being. It also perpetuates the ideology and harm that the Doctrine of Discovery and Manifest Destiny have been afflicting upon the least of these for the last 600 years. Granted, it's just birding and bird names. It's the not the mass genocide committed against Native Americans across North/Central/South America and the Carribean. It's the not the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's not the atrocities committed against Asiatic peoples in the United States. It's not the colonization of Hawaii, Guam, or the Philippines by the US. It's also not equivalent to the Holocaust or the plight of the Irish. HOWEVER, while this whole topic is incredibly benign compared to any of these major world events, the circumstances by which these people "discovered" these birds and the backlash that this commitment by the AOS is starting to unveil is ROOTED in the aforementioned ideologies. It is the very reason why people talk about decolonizing this or that. I believe it's exactly why the AOS wants to make the bird names about the birds. And no, the Latin names are not going to be affected by these commitements. Yes, the public will be included and engaged in the process. No, landmarks/states/highways/counties/cities/etc. are not going to be renamed as a result of the AOS commitments because that was never within the purview of the ad-hoc committee. If renaming the Ring-necked Duck does not even fall under the scope of these commitments, why do people even try to bring that up in the first place? It's wild. Nobody is coming for your town, or your syrup, or your football team. They will all continue to exist. If people would just read the proposal that Steve Hampton so graciously shared on multiple occasions, and actually sat with it and whatever came up for them somatically/emotionally for a little while, they would possibly realize that all their fear, anger, and resentment is not necessary and definitely not worth blowing through everyone else in the birding community, especially the visibly melanated birders. There's so much talk from those who oppose these commitments about how they support equity and justice in the birding community yet look at all their talking points. How many of you would actually support including Mexico and Puerto Rico in the ABA Area? How many of you are citing other birding organizations who are currently digging their heels in or being too cowardly to speak up as justification for your opposition? How many of you are playing the victim despite the advantages you have over others in the birding community who have just as much if not more talent, drive, and ability as you? How many of you are projecting your fears of not belonging in an era where people get "cancelled" online? How many people, because of their identity, have been cancelled long before social media even existed? People ask, "What's the difference between Equity and Justice?" The salmon are easily our teachers when it comes to answering this question. Equity is building them a fish ladder. Justice is tearing down the dam. These commitments by the AOS are merely some of the initial cracks in that damn. Let the river flow freely. ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Zora Monster Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 11:42 AM To: Dennis Paulson Cc: TWEETERS tweeters Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS I read the petition, and disagree with the notion that changing bird names is discriminatory-no groups rights are bring trampled by changing the common names of birds. And history is not being erased, especially in this day and age where so much is recorded digitally, including the arguments surrounding the changing of these names. I welcome the challenge of learning new names-my 61 year old brain needs the challenge. And if it makes others feel more comfortable in this space, as the removal of confederate monuments has made public spaces more welcoming to others, then I?m ok with it. Zora Dermer Seattle Sent from my iPhone On Nov 29, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Dennis Paulson wrote: ? I am posting this because I think everyone interested in this issue should read it, and if you agree with the petition, please sign it. Dennis Paulson Seattle Begin forwarded message: From: Rachel Kolokoff Hopper > Subject: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS Date: November 29, 2023 at 6:15:57 AM PST To: Rachel Hopper > I have posted a rebuttal petition to AOS Leadership regarding their decision to change all eponymous bird names on change.org. While I feel there are many reasons to disagree with the removal of all eponyms, I think this short petition hits the main reasons why I (and others) oppose this move. I would appreciate a core set of members of the birding community to sign on to this letter and then once we have a good number of initial signees we will make it widely public for anyone to sign. I believe that this petition will gather a substantially greater number than the roughly 2500 who signed the initial petition that got this whole thing rolling. I believe that our voices deserve to be heard. A few notes before signing. After you sign the petition change.org takes you to a screen asking for a donation. Change.org is free and this donation is not for our cause. We are not fundraising. Instead, click on ?No, I?ll Share Instead? which will take you to a page that gives you multiple ways to share the petition but most importantly also provides a comment box on the right side of the page. If you want to include a membership or organizational affiliation this is the place to put that information along with any other comments you may want to share. Thanks for signing. The link to the petition is here: https://chng.it/VHyjZp5snr ------------------------------ Rachel Kolokoff Hopper Follow me on iNaturalist rkhphotography.net hopko@comcast.net Ft. Collins, CO _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steveloitz at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:35:23 2023 From: steveloitz at gmail.com (Steve Loitz) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS In-Reply-To: References: <89E646E0-2BF7-43BF-9DB8-5013BEE0362D@mac.com> Message-ID: Well stated, Carmelo. Several decades ago, I taught school on an Anishinaabe (aka Ojibwe or Chippewa) reservation. During a walk with one of the tribal elders, I saw a COHA and said, "there's a Cooper's Hawk." The elder asked me to spell "Cooper's," which I did. He responded that his people would never use a possessive modifier to describe a natural being or thing, and that the apostrophe was a manifestation of human chauvinism, a claim of ownership by one individual of one species over another species. He then spoke of the Judeo-Christian myth system, which is based on the premise that humans were created in the image of a deity, that humans are somehow apart from nature and thus have the right to exercise dominion over nature. That walk with the Anishinaabe elder sparked a change in my world view. Years later, I read Frederick Turner's *Beyond Geography: The Western Spirit Against the Wilderness* and other writings which led to refining my world view, which, in turn, allowed me to more greatly appreciate nature, wild things and wild places, eventually leading me to live a life of exploring wilderness, i.e., those rare places which escaped alteration by human civilization, and where modern humans are mere visitors. I came to believe that naming wild things and wild places for humans is an exercise in human hubris. The notion that an individual human "discovers" a bird species is no less absurd than the claim that Columbus discovered the Americas. I once hoped that humans might get over themselves, but this debate confirms my belief that can never happen. Changing eponym bird names will be a royal PITA for we old-timer birds, but maybe it's a small step forward towards a new enlightenment of our place in nature. Steve Loitz Ellensburg On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:02?AM Carmelo Quetell wrote: > For the sake of time, let's get straight to the elephant in the room: > > Dennis, while your contributions (and the contributions of countless > others past and present) are greatly respected and appreciated in the > worlds of birding, academia, and science (I personally love your field > guide *Shorebirds of North America: The Photographic Guide)*, you did not > "discover" anything. The people who were memorialized with these eponymous > bird names did not "discover" anything. > > You can't "discover" an autonomous, sentient being that people have been > naming and forming connections with all over the continent and around the > world since time immemorial. The very belief and sentiment that you or > anyone "discovered" a species, consciously or subconsciously, attempts to > take away the sovereignty of that being. It also perpetuates the ideology > and harm that the Doctrine of Discovery and Manifest Destiny have been > afflicting upon the least of these for the last 600 years. > > Granted, it's just birding and bird names. It's the not the mass genocide > committed against Native Americans across North/Central/South America and > the Carribean. It's the not the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's not the > atrocities committed against Asiatic peoples in the United States. It's not > the colonization of Hawaii, Guam, or the Philippines by the US. It's also > not equivalent to the Holocaust or the plight of the Irish. > > HOWEVER, while this whole topic is incredibly benign compared to any of > these major world events, the circumstances by which these people > "discovered" these birds and the backlash that this commitment by the AOS > is starting to unveil is ROOTED in the aforementioned ideologies. It is the > very reason why people talk about decolonizing this or that. I believe it's > exactly why the AOS wants to make the bird names about the birds. > > And no, the Latin names are not going to be affected by these > commitements. Yes, the public will be included and engaged in the process. > No, landmarks/states/highways/counties/cities/etc. are not going to be > renamed as a result of the AOS commitments because that was never within > the purview of the ad-hoc committee. If renaming the Ring-necked Duck does > not even fall under the scope of these commitments, why do people even try > to bring that up in the first place? It's wild. Nobody is coming for your > town, or your syrup, or your football team. They will all continue to > exist. > > If people would just read the proposal that Steve Hampton so graciously > shared on multiple occasions, and actually sat with it and whatever came up > for them somatically/emotionally for a little while, they would possibly > realize that all their fear, anger, and resentment is not necessary and > definitely not worth blowing through everyone else in the birding > community, especially the visibly melanated birders. > > There's so much talk from those who oppose these commitments about how > they support equity and justice in the birding community yet look at all > their talking points. How many of you would actually support including > Mexico and Puerto Rico in the ABA Area? How many of you are citing other > birding organizations who are currently digging their heels in or being too > cowardly to speak up as justification for your opposition? > > How many of you are playing the victim despite the advantages you have > over others in the birding community who have just as much if not more > talent, drive, and ability as you? How many of you are projecting your > fears of not belonging in an era where people get "cancelled" online? How > many people, because of their identity, have been cancelled long before > social media even existed? > > People ask, "What's the difference between Equity and Justice?" The salmon > are easily our teachers when it comes to answering this question. Equity is > building them a fish ladder. Justice is tearing down the dam. These > commitments by the AOS are merely some of the initial cracks in that damn. > Let the river flow freely. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on behalf > of Zora Monster > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2023 11:42 AM > *To:* Dennis Paulson > *Cc:* TWEETERS tweeters > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS > > I read the petition, and disagree with the notion that changing bird names > is discriminatory-no groups rights are bring trampled by changing the > common names of birds. And history is not being erased, especially in this > day and age where so much is recorded digitally, including the arguments > surrounding the changing of these names. > > I welcome the challenge of learning new names-my 61 year old brain needs > the challenge. And if it makes others feel more comfortable in this space, > as the removal of confederate monuments has made public spaces more > welcoming to others, then I?m ok with it. > > Zora Dermer > Seattle > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 29, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Dennis Paulson > wrote: > > ? > I am posting this because I think everyone interested in this issue should > read it, and if you agree with the petition, please sign it. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > Begin forwarded message: > > > *From: *Rachel Kolokoff Hopper > *Subject: **Rebuttal Petition to the AOS* > *Date: *November 29, 2023 at 6:15:57 AM PST > *To: *Rachel Hopper > > I have posted a rebuttal petition to AOS Leadership regarding their > decision to change all eponymous bird names on change.org. > > While I feel there are many reasons to disagree with the removal of *all* > eponyms, I think this short petition hits the main reasons why I (and > others) oppose this move. I would appreciate a core set of members of the > birding community to sign on to this letter and then once we have a good > number of initial signees we will make it widely public for anyone to sign. > > I believe that this petition will gather a substantially greater number > than the roughly 2500 who signed the initial petition that got this whole > thing rolling. I believe that our voices deserve to be heard. > > A few notes before signing. > > After you sign the petition change.org takes you to a screen asking for a > donation. Change.org is free and this donation is > not for our cause. We are not fundraising. > > Instead, click on ?No, I?ll Share Instead? which will take you to a page > that gives you multiple ways to share the petition but most importantly > also provides a comment box on the right side of the page. If you want to > include a membership or organizational affiliation this is the place to put > that information along with any other comments you may want to share. > > Thanks for signing. > > The link to the petition is here: https://chng.it/VHyjZp5snr > > ------------------------------ > Rachel Kolokoff Hopper > Follow me on iNaturalist > rkhphotography.net > hopko@comcast.net > Ft. Collins, CO > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Steve Loitz Ellensburg, WA steveloitz@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patti.loesche at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:35:49 2023 From: patti.loesche at gmail.com (Patti Loesche) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Rebuttal Petition to the AOS / Robert MacFarlane on dissonance and 'occulting' In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C3CF80E-B4E3-4F8C-A3E1-07871126875A@gmail.com> The renaming discussion led me to dig up this quote from Robert MacFarlane?s book Underland: A Deep Time Journey. ?Dissonance is produced by any landscape that enchants in the present but has been a site of violence in the past. But to read such a place only for its dark histories is to disallow its possibilities for future life, to deny reparation or hope ? and this is another kind of oppression. If there is a way of seeing such landscapes, it might be thought of as ?occulting?: the nautical term for a light that flashes on and off, and in which the periods of illumination are longer than the periods of darkness. The Slovenian karst is an ?occulting? landscape in this sense, defined by the complex interplay of light and dark, of past pain and present beauty. I have walked through numerous occulting landscapes over the years: from the cleared valleys of northern Scotland, where the scattered stones of abandoned houses are oversung by skylarks; to the Guadarrama mountains north of Madrid, where a savage partisan war was fought among ancient pines, under the gaze of vultures; and to the disputed valleys of the Palestinian West Bank, where dog foxes slip through barbed wire. All of these landscapes offer the reassurance of nature?s return; all incite the discord of profound suffering coexisting with generous life.? Patti Loesche Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emilyldowning at gmail.com Wed Nov 29 10:52:27 2023 From: emilyldowning at gmail.com (Emily Downing) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS In-Reply-To: References: <89E646E0-2BF7-43BF-9DB8-5013BEE0362D@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi, Steve, Carmelo and others- I have been wondering something similar -- ultimately, whether we agree or disagree, the naming decision is out of our control. So, what if we (our birding community) were able to take our passion on *this *topic on renaming and the national media buzz it's attracted and put it toward a cause that could make a difference for nature and the birds we care about? E.g., leveraging the renaming buzz to help engage non-birders and get them outside and attuned to nature? Or outreach to students/children in naming contests since kids are so great at making up interesting and descriptive names? The possibilities for this creative and passionate group to have an impact are endless! Seems that in this debate about semantics, we are missing the opportunity as a community to really spend our limited resources and energy on things *within* our control...and focus on topics that are truly meaningful Emily On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:36?AM Steve Loitz wrote: > Well stated, Carmelo. > > Several decades ago, I taught school on an Anishinaabe (aka Ojibwe or > Chippewa) reservation. During a walk with one of the tribal elders, I saw a > COHA and said, "there's a Cooper's Hawk." The elder asked me to spell > "Cooper's," which I did. He responded that his people would never use a > possessive modifier to describe a natural being or thing, and that the > apostrophe was a manifestation of human chauvinism, a claim of ownership by > one individual of one species over another species. He then spoke of the > Judeo-Christian myth system, which is based on the premise that humans were > created in the image of a deity, that humans are somehow apart from nature > and thus have the right to exercise dominion over nature. > > That walk with the Anishinaabe elder sparked a change in my world view. > Years later, I read Frederick Turner's *Beyond Geography: The Western > Spirit Against the Wilderness* and other writings which led to refining > my world view, which, in turn, allowed me to more greatly appreciate > nature, wild things and wild places, eventually leading me to live a life > of exploring wilderness, i.e., those rare places which escaped alteration > by human civilization, and where modern humans are mere visitors. I came to > believe that naming wild things and wild places for humans is an exercise > in human hubris. The notion that an individual human "discovers" a bird > species is no less absurd than the claim that Columbus discovered the > Americas. > > I once hoped that humans might get over themselves, but this debate > confirms my belief that can never happen. Changing eponym bird names will > be a royal PITA for we old-timer birds, but maybe it's a small step forward > towards a new enlightenment of our place in nature. > > Steve Loitz > Ellensburg > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:02?AM Carmelo Quetell wrote: > >> For the sake of time, let's get straight to the elephant in the room: >> >> Dennis, while your contributions (and the contributions of countless >> others past and present) are greatly respected and appreciated in the >> worlds of birding, academia, and science (I personally love your field >> guide *Shorebirds of North America: The Photographic Guide)*, you did >> not "discover" anything. The people who were memorialized with these >> eponymous bird names did not "discover" anything. >> >> You can't "discover" an autonomous, sentient being that people have been >> naming and forming connections with all over the continent and around the >> world since time immemorial. The very belief and sentiment that you or >> anyone "discovered" a species, consciously or subconsciously, attempts to >> take away the sovereignty of that being. It also perpetuates the ideology >> and harm that the Doctrine of Discovery and Manifest Destiny have been >> afflicting upon the least of these for the last 600 years. >> >> Granted, it's just birding and bird names. It's the not the mass genocide >> committed against Native Americans across North/Central/South America and >> the Carribean. It's the not the Atlantic Slave Trade. It's not the >> atrocities committed against Asiatic peoples in the United States. It's not >> the colonization of Hawaii, Guam, or the Philippines by the US. It's also >> not equivalent to the Holocaust or the plight of the Irish. >> >> HOWEVER, while this whole topic is incredibly benign compared to any of >> these major world events, the circumstances by which these people >> "discovered" these birds and the backlash that this commitment by the AOS >> is starting to unveil is ROOTED in the aforementioned ideologies. It is the >> very reason why people talk about decolonizing this or that. I believe it's >> exactly why the AOS wants to make the bird names about the birds. >> >> And no, the Latin names are not going to be affected by these >> commitements. Yes, the public will be included and engaged in the process. >> No, landmarks/states/highways/counties/cities/etc. are not going to be >> renamed as a result of the AOS commitments because that was never within >> the purview of the ad-hoc committee. If renaming the Ring-necked Duck does >> not even fall under the scope of these commitments, why do people even try >> to bring that up in the first place? It's wild. Nobody is coming for your >> town, or your syrup, or your football team. They will all continue to >> exist. >> >> If people would just read the proposal that Steve Hampton so graciously >> shared on multiple occasions, and actually sat with it and whatever came up >> for them somatically/emotionally for a little while, they would possibly >> realize that all their fear, anger, and resentment is not necessary and >> definitely not worth blowing through everyone else in the birding >> community, especially the visibly melanated birders. >> >> There's so much talk from those who oppose these commitments about how >> they support equity and justice in the birding community yet look at all >> their talking points. How many of you would actually support including >> Mexico and Puerto Rico in the ABA Area? How many of you are citing other >> birding organizations who are currently digging their heels in or being too >> cowardly to speak up as justification for your opposition? >> >> How many of you are playing the victim despite the advantages you have >> over others in the birding community who have just as much if not more >> talent, drive, and ability as you? How many of you are projecting your >> fears of not belonging in an era where people get "cancelled" online? How >> many people, because of their identity, have been cancelled long before >> social media even existed? >> >> People ask, "What's the difference between Equity and Justice?" The >> salmon are easily our teachers when it comes to answering this question. >> Equity is building them a fish ladder. Justice is tearing down the dam. >> These commitments by the AOS are merely some of the initial cracks in that >> damn. Let the river flow freely. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tweeters on behalf >> of Zora Monster >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 29, 2023 11:42 AM >> *To:* Dennis Paulson >> *Cc:* TWEETERS tweeters >> *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Fwd: Rebuttal Petition to the AOS >> >> I read the petition, and disagree with the notion that changing bird >> names is discriminatory-no groups rights are bring trampled by changing the >> common names of birds. And history is not being erased, especially in this >> day and age where so much is recorded digitally, including the arguments >> surrounding the changing of these names. >> >> I welcome the challenge of learning new names-my 61 year old brain needs >> the challenge. And if it makes others feel more comfortable in this space, >> as the removal of confederate monuments has made public spaces more >> welcoming to others, then I?m ok with it. >> >> Zora Dermer >> Seattle >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Nov 29, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Dennis Paulson >> wrote: >> >> ? >> I am posting this because I think everyone interested in this issue >> should read it, and if you agree with the petition, please sign it. >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> *From: *Rachel Kolokoff Hopper >> *Subject: **Rebuttal Petition to the AOS* >> *Date: *November 29, 2023 at 6:15:57 AM PST >> *To: *Rachel Hopper >> >> I have posted a rebuttal petition to AOS Leadership regarding their >> decision to change all eponymous bird names on change.org. >> >> While I feel there are many reasons to disagree with the removal of *all* >> eponyms, I think this short petition hits the main reasons why I (and >> others) oppose this move. I would appreciate a core set of members of the >> birding community to sign on to this letter and then once we have a good >> number of initial signees we will make it widely public for anyone to sign. >> >> I believe that this petition will gather a substantially greater number >> than the roughly 2500 who signed the initial petition that got this whole >> thing rolling. I believe that our voices deserve to be heard. >> >> A few notes before signing. >> >> After you sign the petition change.org takes you to a screen asking for >> a donation. Change.org is free and this donation is >> not for our cause. We are not fundraising. >> >> Instead, click on ?No, I?ll Share Instead? which will take you to a page >> that gives you multiple ways to share the petition but most importantly >> also provides a comment box on the right side of the page. If you want to >> include a membership or organizational affiliation this is the place to put >> that information along with any other comments you may want to share. >> >> Thanks for signing. >> >> The link to the petition is here: https://chng.it/VHyjZp5snr >> >> ------------------------------ >> Rachel Kolokoff Hopper >> Follow me on iNaturalist >> rkhphotography.net >> hopko@comcast.net >> Ft. 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This meeting will be conducted virtually, via Zoom (no in-person attendance). Sign-in will begin at 7:15 pm, and the meeting commences at 7:30 pm. Please go to the WOS Monthly Meetings page: https://wos.org/monthly-meetings/ for instructions on participation and to get the Zoom link. When joining the meeting, we ask that you mute your device and make certain that your camera is turned off. This meeting is open to all as WOS invites everyone in the wider birding community to attend. Thanks to the generosity of our presenters, recordings of past programs are available at the following link to the WOS YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@washingtonornithologicalso7839/videos If you are not yet a member of WOS, we hope you will consider becoming one at https://wos.org Please join us! Elaine Chuang WOS Program Support From halop at uw.edu Wed Nov 29 11:10:08 2023 From: halop at uw.edu (Hal Opperman UW) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Bird-naming thread Message-ID: <5D3AC6BC-7BA0-443C-8536-8D6C65972BAF@uw.edu> Dear Tweeters, The debate about renaming of birds has broken down into two camps, both of which have raised their concerns fully. In the interest of preserving civil discourse, it?s time to call a halt to this topic before it reaches the troll farm level (if it hasn?t already). Thank you for the many, many thoughtful comments, and for your understanding. Good birding! Hal Opperman (from the front office) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robfaucett at mac.com Wed Nov 29 11:29:30 2023 From: robfaucett at mac.com (Rob Faucett) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Bird-naming thread In-Reply-To: <5D3AC6BC-7BA0-443C-8536-8D6C65972BAF@uw.edu> References: <5D3AC6BC-7BA0-443C-8536-8D6C65972BAF@uw.edu> Message-ID: <83AFC7E0-7625-47A3-BEBF-35EF48C7304F@mac.com> Well done. On a thankless task. Thanks Hal for stewarding us. Hope you're well. Best Rob -- Rob Faucett 206-619-5569 Seattle, WA > On Nov 29, 2023, at 11:10?AM, Hal Opperman UW wrote: > > Dear Tweeters, > > The debate about renaming of birds has broken down into two camps, both of which have raised their concerns fully. > > In the interest of preserving civil discourse, it?s time to call a halt to this topic before it reaches the troll farm level (if it hasn?t already). > > Thank you for the many, many thoughtful comments, and for your understanding. > > Good birding! > > Hal Opperman > (from the front office) > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shepthorp at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 13:29:01 2023 From: shepthorp at gmail.com (Shep Thorp) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Wednesday Walk for Billy Frank Jr Nisqually NWR on 11/29/2023 Message-ID: Hi Tweets, Approximately 25 of us coped with a cold and foggy morning at the Refuge with temperatures in the 30's to 40's degrees Fahrenheit and a High 14'11" Tide at 7:49am and a Low 8'3" Tide at 1:20pm. The good side to more extreme environmental conditions is that we often get to see different behaviors, which was certainly true for our Wednesday Walk. Because of the morning high tide, we decided to skip the Orchard in the morning, in my usual attempt to get out to the dike and Nisqually Estuary Boardwalk Trail earlier. Highlights included high counts of WILSON'S SNIPE and LONG-BILLED DOWITCHER. We observed Snipe in the Visitor Center Pond, flooded field south of the Twin Barns, freshwater marsh, and a NORTHERN HARRIER flushed a flock of a dozen or so in the flooded field adjacent to the Twin Barns Overlook. We likely observed well over 50 Long-billed Dowitcher in the surge plain, mudflats west of Leschi Slough and mudflats along the Nisqually Estuary Boardwalk Trail. My perception is that we are seeing many more Dowitchers more frequently in comparison to other late November years. A BARRED OWL continued uncharacteristically lethargic behavior along the Twin Barns Observation boardwalk. This bird has been seen from time to time over the last 4 weeks. Sadly, later in the day the Owl fell from its perch landing on the ground. Refuge Volunteers monitored the bird until a Refuge Biologist could examine it, but unfortunately the Owl died. Cause of death is not known at this time, however given the history and time of year I speculate that starvation of a first year bird may be the cause. Certainly other causes are possible like Influenza and Rodenticide Toxicity, however there have been two Barred Owls that have shown up at the Refuge the last few months, where usually the Great Horned Owl out competes, the uncharacteristic close observations over 2-3 months in the Refuge makes me suspect weak individuals struggling to feed themselves. In the slough adjacent to the Twin Barns we had nice looks of AMERICAN BITTERN and ORANGE-CROWNED WARBLER, a photo of a Rail or Sora is pending. The dike was great for WESTERN MEADOWLARK, MERLIN and NORTHERN SHRIKE. We had nice looks of RED-NECKED LOON and COMMON LOON in McAllister Creek. See our eBird report pasted below with some uploaded photos. For the day we had 67 species, with 172 species seen this year. We were not able to relocate the Common Redpoll photographed earlier in the week or hear/see the Red-shouldered Hawk. Until next week when we meet again at 8am, happy birding! Shep -- Shep Thorp Browns Point 253-370-3742 Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually NWR, Thurston, Washington, US Nov 29, 2023 7:51 AM - 4:34 PM Protocol: Traveling 6.115 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. Cloudy and foggy with temperatures in the 30?s to 40?s degrees Fahrenheit. A High 14?11? Tide at 7:49am and a Low 8?3? Tide at 1:20pm. Mammals seen Eastern Cotton-tailed Rabbit, Columbian Black-tailed Deer, Eastern Gray Squirrel, Harbor Seal and California Sea Lion. 67 species (+9 other taxa) Cackling Goose (minima) 2500 Cackling Goose (Taverner's) 50 Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) 10 Northern Shoveler 111 Gadwall 6 Eurasian Wigeon 1 Seen from McAllister Creek Viewing Platform. American Wigeon 2000 Eurasian x American Wigeon (hybrid) 1 Found by Teri in flooded field adjacent to Twin Barns Overlook. Mallard 150 Northern Pintail 500 Green-winged Teal 2500 Counted in 100?s over surge plain, tidal estuary west of Leschi Slough and either side of Shannon Slough, and flooded fields. Likely more AGWT then AMWI which were seen in comparable numbers. Ring-necked Duck 1 Visitor Center Pond. Surf Scoter 50 White-winged Scoter 2 Bufflehead 150 Common Goldeneye 10 Hooded Merganser 6 Common Merganser 7 Red-breasted Merganser 15 Horned Grebe 6 Anna's Hummingbird 3 American Coot 15 rail/crake sp. 1 Spotted by Steve Meyers in Slough adjacent to Twin Barns Overlook boardwalk. Photo pending. Killdeer 2 Long-billed Dowitcher 50 High count, likely more. Seen in surge plain, mudflats west of Leschi Slough and along the Nisqually Estuary Boardwalk Trail. Wilson's Snipe 20 High count! Visitor Center Pond, flooded field south of Twin Barns, and Northern Harrier flushed flock in flooded field adjacent to Twin Barns Overlook. Greater Yellowlegs 12 Dunlin 25 Low count. Least Sandpiper 40 Western Sandpiper 1 Seen with flock of Dunlin on mudflats west of Leschi Slough. Short-billed Gull 10 Ring-billed Gull 40 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 15 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 30 Larus sp. 50 Red-throated Loon 1 McAllister Creek Viewing Platform. Common Loon 3 Two seen in McAllister Creek Double-crested Cormorant 20 cormorant sp. 3 American Bittern 1 Slough adjacent to Twin Barns Overlook boardwalk. Located in the late morning and afternoon. Great Blue Heron 20 Northern Harrier 3 Bald Eagle 20 Red-tailed Hawk 4 Barred Owl 1 Seen adjacent to the Twin Barns along the Twin Barns Overlook boardwalk. Lethargic. Later in the morning the bird fell from its roost and was monitored by Refuge volunteers until Refuge Biologist could examine it. Unfortunately the owl died, and the cause of death is unknown at this time. However juvenile owl death due to malnutrition is not uncommon in the late fall. Belted Kingfisher 2 Red-breasted Sapsucker 1 Orchard area near Technician Building. Downy Woodpecker 3 Northern Flicker 4 Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 2 Northern Flicker (Yellow-shafted x Red-shafted) 1 Previously seen and photographed bird. Along Access Road west of Orchard. Red nape, black and slightly red malar stripe and orange shafts of feather. Merlin 1 Peregrine Falcon 1 Northern Shrike 1 Seen twice, once 1/4 mile north of the dike along Leschi Slough and second time much closer in trees where Leschi Slough goes under the dike. American Crow 400 Common Raven 4 Black-capped Chickadee 15 Ruby-crowned Kinglet 10 Golden-crowned Kinglet 20 Brown Creeper 6 Pacific Wren 4 Marsh Wren 6 Bewick's Wren 4 European Starling 600 Varied Thrush 2 Orchard. American Robin 20 American Goldfinch 1 Twin Barns area. Fox Sparrow (Sooty) 5 White-crowned Sparrow (pugetensis) 2 Nisqually Estuary Trail. Golden-crowned Sparrow 35 Song Sparrow 25 Lincoln's Sparrow 2 Nisqually Estuary Trail, north side of of dike. Spotted Towhee 20 High count, Orchard. Western Meadowlark 2 On either side of the dike of Nisqually Estuary Trail, both in freshwater Marsh and grassy area adjacent to Leschi Slough. Red-winged Blackbird 80 Orange-crowned Warbler (lutescens) 4 Adjacent to sloughs along Twin Barns and Access Roads, as well as seen in the Orchard. View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S155491619 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From birdmarymoor at frontier.com Thu Nov 30 14:55:03 2023 From: birdmarymoor at frontier.com (birdmarymoor) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park (Redmond, King Co.) 2023-11-30 References: <926843075.5525733.1701384903421.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <926843075.5525733.1701384903421@mail.yahoo.com> Tweets - Cloudy and windless, temps just above freezing to start.? The rain held off, but we often experience what we had today: forecast of an imminent big storm and the birding rather poor.? You'd think they'd be frantically active before the deluge, but no; maybe they're moving to better locations to weather the storm?? Some notable sightings today, but many of them extremely fleeting. Highlights: ? ? Greater White-fronted Goose - Eric saw two with Cacklers, but an eagle flushed the geese before the rest of us got a look.? First of Year (FOY) ? ? Cackling Goose - Many, many large flocks, some landing for a while.? Maybe 2000? ? ? Ring-necked Duck - A late scan of the lake turned up a few, First of Fall (FOF) ? ? Hooded Merganser - Three males and two females at the Rowing Club, with the males doing lots of head-bobbing ? ? Northern Harrier - High flyover above the boardwalk (FOY) ? ? Peregrine Falcon - One glimpsed at grass soccer fields ? ? Varied Thrush - A couple near the mansion ? ? American Robin - Less than a third as many as last week; maybe less than a quarter... ????White-throated Sparrow - One with other zonos near 2nd Dog Swim Beach, probably the same bird from other recent weeks ? ?? Misses today included Common Goldeneye (though one may have sped by us headed to the lake), Rock Pigeon, Short-billed Gull, Pine Siskin, American Goldfinch, and Lincoln's Sparrow. For the day, 51 species. = Michael Hobbs = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com = www.marymoor.org.birding.htm From 2carlosandersen at gmail.com Thu Nov 30 15:31:24 2023 From: 2carlosandersen at gmail.com (Carlos Andersen) Date: Fri Mar 22 11:42:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Deer Lagoon Preserve Advocacy - Whidbey Audubon Society Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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