[Tweeters] Grays Harbor Audubon presentation on Dec. 3

[fauna46 at yahoo.com]

Grays Harbor Audubon presents: Woody Wheeler on Texas - A Five Star Birding
Experience
Sunday, December 3, 1:30 p.m. at the Hoquiam Library, 420 7th Street
Hoquiam, WA 98550

Enjoy a vicarious, photo illustrated tour of the five outstanding birding
areas in the Lone Star State: Big Bend National Park, The Davis Mountains,
Texas Hill country, the Gulf Coast, and High Island. 

Woody is a nature educator and tour guide for Conservation Catalyst, a
business he started to inspire people to appreciate birds and natural
history. He also guides for Naturalist Journeys, an international birding
and natural history tour company. Previously, Woody worked for environmental
nonprofits including, The Nature Conservancy, Audubon Society and Seattle
Parks Foundation. He helped these groups protect natural areas, establish
nature centers, park lands and bicycle/pedestrian trails.

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Michael Price)
   2. Re: Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Roger Craik)
   3. Re: Eponymous names, change, & race (Mason Flint)
   4. I've got more names for the dump (Ed Newbold)
   5. Re: re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds (Scott Downes)
   6. Re: bird names --- ?Akohekohe name (HAL MICHAEL)
   7. The Birdbooker Report (Ian Paulsen)
   8. Carnation Swans and Geese (Hank Heiberg)
   9. Black and white warbler (Zora Monster)
  10. rude (pan)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 14:33:39 -0800
From: Michael Price <loblollyboy at gmail.com>
To: tweeters <Tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds
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Hi Tweets

It's said that history is written by the victors.  Which, after the 19th
century US government (military/bureaucratic) and British/Canadian
(bureaucratic) genocides of the indigenous inhabitants, might explain the
absence of much prior nomenclature and classification from the people who
had lived here for thousands of years and had, therefore, thousands of
years-worth of intimate empirical knowledge and their own nomenclature and
life histories of North American bird species prior to the advent of
European science. Granted, European science may have been more formalised
and perhaps more systematic, but to assume a European precedence which has
ignored and/or denigrated such a knowledge base is, frankly, to me, an
enormous waste of a wealth of knowledge.


Incidentally, I have a book of 'original' (i.e., hunters') bird names of
North American birds. Many are outright racist/misogynist names to which no
nomenclatural committee would *dare* to return today (pop quiz: which sea
duck was commonly called 'n-word-head?), yet changing them at the time
engendered debates as heated as those now occurring concerning possibly
dodgy honorifics. I love to watch this same process happening in real time.
But then I have always felt that setting cats among pigeons should be an
Olympic sport.


But it's worth remembering this controversy is part of a larger struggle:
to find and achieve justice. Always simple to say, always difficult to do.
But we have to keep at it. As Paul McCartney sang, "With every mistake/We
must surely be learning..."

best, m
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 15:42:13 -0800
From: Roger Craik <r_craik at shaw.ca>
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds
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Hi Michael and Tweets

"There are more 34 First Nation languages in British Columbia, representing
more than half of all First Nation?languages in Canada" 
Then, there's the US and Mexico.

Not quite sure how you would rationalize incorporating of all this prior
knowledge into a compendium of bird names familiar across North America or
the rest of the world, for that matter.

Just for starters whose name would be picked for what bird? Lots of
potential for offending different groups there. Do we identify birds by
habitat, geography or human cultural areas?

This whole discussion looks more like trying to take the fun out of birding
as opposed to doing anything productive.

Roger Craik
Maple Ridge BC

On 2023-11-26 2:33 p.m., Michael Price wrote:

> Hi Tweets

>

> It's said that history is written by the victors.? Which, after the 

> 19th century US government (military/bureaucratic) and 

> British/Canadian (bureaucratic) genocides of the indigenous 

> inhabitants, might explain the absence of much prior nomenclature and 

> classification from the people who had lived here for thousands of 

> years and had, therefore, thousands of years-worth of intimate 

> empirical knowledge and their own nomenclature and life histories of 

> North American bird species prior to the advent of European science.

> Granted, European science may have been more formalised and perhaps 

> more systematic, but to assume a European precedence which has ignored 

> and/or denigrated such a knowledge base is, frankly, to me, an 

> enormous waste of a wealth of knowledge.

>

>

> Incidentally, I have a book of 'original' (i.e., hunters') bird names 

> of North American birds. Many are outright racist/misogynist names to 

> which no nomenclatural committee would *dare* to return today (pop

> quiz: which sea duck was commonly called 'n-word-head?), yet changing 

> them at the time engendered debates as heated as those now occurring 

> concerning possibly dodgy honorifics. I love to watch this same 

> process happening in real time. But then I have always felt that 

> setting cats among pigeons should be an Olympic sport.

>

>

> But it's worth remembering this controversy is part of a larger

> struggle: to find and achieve justice. Always simple to say, always 

> difficult to do. But we have to keep at it. As Paul McCartney sang, 

> "With every mistake/We must surely be learning..."

>

> best, m

>

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 23:50:20 +0000
From: Mason Flint <masonflint at outlook.com>
To: Glenn Nelson <gnbuzz at comcast.net>, "tweeters at u.washington.edu"
	<tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race
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Well said. Reasonable people disagree on this topic and change can be
uncomfortable. It may not be a coincidence that many (most?) of the people
who seem most resistant to these changes are, like me, white men. I'm not
throwing stones but appreciate hearing other perspectives.

Mason Flint
Bellevue, WA

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From: Tweeters <tweeters-bounces at mailman11.u.washington.edu> on behalf of
Glenn Nelson <gnbuzz at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2023 2:46 PM
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Tweeters] Eponymous names, change, & race

Hello all,

I have subscribed to and contributed to this list-serve for a few decades,
and appreciate (almost) all of the knowledge that has been shared. Even so,
as a non-white person, I continue to struggle to feel a part of the world
that is represented here. This conversation doesn't help, but it also
probably shouldn't matter. The one thing all of us are powerless to stop is
change. And the change in this context is the demographics of our region and
nation and, reflected in a little bit of that, the growing lack of appetite
for eponymous names. I wish more people would spend more time understanding
these changes and what they mean and not feel like evolution is the product
of being "erased" or "canceled." We all do things differently than those who
came before us; most of the time, we don't feel threatened by that
difference and adapt.


>From my perspective, naming things and places after humans (well, mostly

men (and, well, mostly white men)) is so Western European. In many cultures
of color, including mine and particularly the Indigenous people of these
lands, things and places are named descriptively. What better way to pass on
our knowledge and love for birds and other components of nature than to
represent them in a many that is innately understood and cause to scamper to
web searches only to discover that someone's name doesn't really contribute
to the understanding of creatures, things, and places?

The legion of Black, Indigenous, and People of Color in the birding world is
growing exponentially, here and across the country. It's an unstoppable
force and shouldn't be feared because we have birds in common, among other
things. It would be a shame to lack any crossover between old and new -- to
maintain separate circles of bird lovers. The new will inevitably replace
the old. Don't we want to influence the future security of the creatures
that we love by sharing our knowledge and enthusiasm for them with people
who are younger and browner than us?

Yes, things will change (and likely need to) before we're all gone. We will
adapt, unless bitterness stops us. For a portion of my life, one of the main
busy roads in south Seattle, where I grew up and still live, was called
Empire Way. It's been Martin Luther King Jr. Way since all the signs got
changed by 1984. I've never felt lost, then or now. It's only a name, after
all. Let's hang on to things more useful and meaningful.

Best,
Glenn Nelson,
Seattle
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 23:57:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ed Newbold <ednewbold1 at yahoo.com>
To: Tweeters Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Tweeters] I've got more names for the dump
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Hi all,
This name changing thing could be just what bird-love, I mean
bird-conservation needs. Everyone gets interested, pro or con, and people on
both sides are moved to eloquence, and I don't know anyone who fully
realizes just how true it is when they say: "There is no such thing as bad
publicity."
I want to suggest another group of names for the trash heap. Common
Nighthawk, Common Tern, Common Loon, Common Eider, Common Ground-dove,
Common Goldeneye, Common Black-Hawk, Common Grackle, you get the point. I
see epic struggles in the future needed to save some of these birds from
extinction and it makes it harder to be an advocate when you are trying to
tell someone who is not up to speed that the Common so-and-so is very rare
and desperately needs your help.
Also, I get that a whole lot of people know and use this name but what about
Booby? Can we get this changed right away? This is based on an insult, not
of an oppressed group for once but to the bird itself as I understand. Years
ago when I was trying to experiment with creating my own little news-service
I put out a press release saying that a Brown Booby had just been spotted in
Washington and sent it to all the major news outlets.? All I heard back were
a few snickers.
I do think that new names should be good. Can we go to aboriginal
languages?? Can we take the time to find really good names? I used to love
the name Blue Grouse, and now I can't stand it when I have to say Dusky or
Sooty, they are just crappy names in my opinion.

Thanks all!
Ed Newbold Beacon Hill Seattle, WA twee















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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:38:21 -0800
From: Scott Downes <downess at charter.net>
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] re Historical Perspective on Re-naming Birds
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 16:44:21 -0800 (PST)
From: HAL MICHAEL <ucd880 at comcast.net>
To: Steve Hampton <stevechampton at gmail.com>,	TWEETERS tweeters
	<tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: [Tweeters] bird names --- ?Akohekohe name
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Per H. Douglas Pratt in The Hawaiian Honeycreepers Drepanidinae; part of
Bird Families of the World.
 
On page 264, under Etymology:
 
"Hawaiian name often considered simply onomatopoeic (Berlin and VanGelder
1999), but that does not explain why early naturalists create and English
name for this sp. alone when valid Hawaiian one available. Hawaiians had
sense of humour and loved puns; name includes kohe= vagina (Pukui and Elbert
1971), allusion to resemblance of bird's crest to pubic hair, apparently too
much for Victorian sensibilities".  
 
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
 
Hal Michael
Board of Directors, Ecologists Without Borders http://ecowb.org/ Olympia WA
360-459-4005
360-791-7702 (C)
ucd880 at comcast.net
 
 


> On 11/25/2023 5:34 PM PST Steve Hampton <stevechampton at gmail.com> wrote:

>  

>  

> The "Birds of the World" species accounts offer detailed information on

just about every aspect of every species. Access to this online resource is
complimentary with membership in the Washington Ornithological Society. From
the account for ?Akohekohe:

>  

> "'?kohekohe (pronounced "ah ko-hay ko-hay"), is derived from one of the

calls it commonly gives from the treetops of the rain forest." 

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> On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 5:17?PM Laurel Parshall <knasnan at gmail.com

mailto:knasnan at gmail.com> wrote:

> 

> > Many thought provoking views and varying points along our individual

'perches' of our life spectrums. 

> > Based on Hal Michael's mention of the Hawaiian name Akohekohe selected

for the previous English used Crested Honeycreeper, with the meaning being
female genitalia, what do we know about how that name came to be used? Was
it merely descriptive, derogatory or empowering? Doubtful that we will ever
sort that out.  Likely it will be used for any one of those, depending on
the intention and the perception of the receiver. 

> > It did lighten my mind and then provoke my response.

> > Our world is rounded, with billions of points of view. I do enjoy the

bird's-eye one whether I will ever understand it or not. 

> > Laurel Parshall in Gig Harbor/Key Peninsula kehlilanasnan at Yahoo 

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> --

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> Port Townsend, WA  (qat?y)

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 17:25:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Ian Paulsen <birdbooker at zipcon.net>
To: tweeters at u.washington.edu
Subject: [Tweeters] The Birdbooker Report
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HI ALL:
  I posted about 3 bird and 4 non-bird books at my blog here: 
https://birdbookerreport.blogspot.com/2023/11/new-titles.html

sincerely
Ian Paulsen
Bainbridge Island, WA, USA
Visit my BIRDBOOKER REPORT blog here:
https://birdbookerreport.blogspot.com/


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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2023 19:51:37 -0800
From: Hank Heiberg <hank.heiberg at gmail.com>
To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Tweeters] Carnation Swans and Geese
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Here is a link to a video of Snow Geese and Cackling Geese flying above a
field just north of the cemetery in Carnation.  On the ground were Trumpeter
Swans and at least one Tundra Swan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN-VMAVkqgI&t=6s

Hank Heiberg
Issaquah, WA
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 10:34:01 -0800
From: Zora Monster <zoramon at mac.com>
To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Tweeters] Black and white warbler
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Spotted lakeside near the wading pool.

Zora Dermer
Sent from my iPhone


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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2023 20:42:44 +0100 (CET)
From: pan  <panmail at mailfence.com>
To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>
Subject: [Tweeters] rude
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I refer to birds.? Yesterday afternoon, I saw a bird fly in that looked a
little different, and with binoculars saw it was the first goldfinch I've
had land in plain sight out my window.? (There's sometimes a small flock
feeding in sycamores on the other side of some buildings.)? I was just
enjoying it, through binoculars, when a large bird seemed to displace it at
speed, though it didn't land.? Then I figured maybe a Cooper's Hawk had
nabbed it.? No hawk visible.? Then a crow flew to the neighboring roof with
something in its bill.? I got a better angle, and sure enough, the crow
proceeded to pluck the goldfinch (!).? I knew they ate a lot of chicks, but
catching an adult finch on an open perch?? I think the finch being alone was
its mistake.? Another reason not to feed crows.? 

While I have you, questions about my augmented junco in the Licton Springs
neighborhood.? I know some have extra white, but this one matches one I had
at my prior residence the last few years, on Capitol Hill.? This one's not
quite as dark, and the white feathers may not be as long.? They're male
Oregons, with little white patches, one either side, below and behind the
ear area in the dark hood.? The white feathers are a little longer than the
surrounding plumage.? He didn't follow me north.? Is this a known variant??
How common are they?

Good birding,

Alan Grenon

Seattle
panmail AT mailfence period com

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