[Tweeters] Raptor/Crow interaction

[Robert O'Brien]

Thanks for those details, Mark. I do have an experience with a Merlin
versus a mourning dove. I was in a residential area of Southeast Portland
when I noticed off in the distance to the east two birds coming fairly
fast. They were at an altitude of several hundred feet. One obviously
pursuing the other, Merlin after morning dove. They were pretty much neck
and neck, but probably the Merlin trailing by 50 ft to 100' when they
encountered a very large pine tree right opposite me, perhaps 150 ft tall,
maybe more. The dove dove into the center of the tree while the Merlin
circled round and round the perimeter, looking for an opening. After a few
minutes of this when the Merlin's Circle was on the east side, the dove
decided to go for it and continued west over the valley. Of course as the
Merlin came around again it spotted the dove and headed out in Pursuit once
more. This was over a deep valley and pretty soon there are probably a
thousand feet elevation. They disappeared off into the distance, outcome
unknown. Quite an experience. For me and the birds. Bob O'Brien Portland

On Tuesday, September 12, 2023, Mark Borden <markbordenmd at gmail.com> wrote:


> Hi Jim,

>

> Crow’s definitely have territories, though if a reliable food source is no

> longer producing, they can give up a territory and relocate.

>

> The flock of about a dozen crows that is often present in my pasture

> was/is reliably identifiable by one member with a leg injury. They spend

> their morning hours flipping through piles of horse manure looking for

> insect larvae. They also go into the neighbors yard at intervals to check

> for scraps that she puts on a platform. In the evening they join a larger

> group and head down toward the Port Townsend Ferry to roost.

>

> Even a large Merlin Falcon poses no significant threat to a crow.  The

> Merlin is sometimes colloquially referred to as the “Pigeon Hawk,” though

> they rarely capture and consume “Pigeons” (as Rock Doves…Columbia livia are

> often erroneously called) A Rock Dove is a real handful for a Merlin,

> though manageable by a large aggressive falcon (female).

>

> Other factors are at play as well.  A crow is a very long lived, sturdily

> built bird, whereas a dove is much easier for a falcon to kill, pluck, and

> eat, not to mention much tastier.  A Merlin prefers to pluck and eat in a

> treetop.  Thus small passerines, up to and including starlings and robins

> are preferred.  A male (Jack) Merlin will not normally capture prey larger

> than a starling. A large Merlin falcon is hard pressed to carry a Mourning

> Dove to any height.

>

> Carrying is a problem for the falconer, as you can imagine, and the strong

> tendency to carrry is one of the things that makes hunting with a Merlin a

> challenge.

>

> A dove or pigeon meal is a peaceful one for a raptor, whereas eating crow

> is difficult since the whole flock is incensed and will literally try to

> tear a raptor apart if he/she is anchored to the ground by the weight of a

> crow.

>

> Mark Borden

> Coupeville, WA.

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> > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:55:27 -0700

> > From: jimbetz at jimbetz.com

> > To: tweeters at u.washington.edu

> > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Raptors at Play ... and crows

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> > Hi - continuing the thread ...

> >

> >   Late last week there was an 'encounter' between what was probably a

> Merlin

> > and a Crow.  The crow was mobbing/harassing the Merlin which was

> > sitting on the

> > roof ridge right below our house.  Finally the Merlin moved but the crow

> > continued to hassle it.  Then the Merlin went after the crow ... which

> flew

> > into a tree and the Merlin broke off and perched in the same tree several

> > branches below.  The crow then took flight and turned and went after the

> > Merlin (below).  The Merlin took off and chased the crow.  Back and forth

> > two more times for 3 or 4 total 'encounters' (exchanges) between these

> two

> > birds.  Finally the Merlin left the area and the crow didn't pursue.

> >

> >   I interpreted this as "territorial" ... although it makes little sense

> > since there are no active crows nests in the area.  (Sorry, couldn't

> > resist using "Crows Nest" - my nautical background kicking in.)  But

> > crows do -seem- to be territorial from time to time without an active

> > nest.

> >   In fact, I saw a pair of crows in New Westminster just yesterday and

> I'd

> > swear on a stack of bibles that it was the same two birds I'd seen at the

> > same location (street in front of home in residential area) months ago.

> > The "bibles" comes from the way these two 'related' to each other with

> > one clearly the dominant and the second 'fawning' to its object of

> > interest (the dominant one) and following it around and doing the same

> > stuff it did months ago at the same location.  Both times I was parked

> > on the same street in the same location and there were two crows that

> > were 'messing about' (not courting - just "doing stuff") and were

> > clearly 'together'.  Perhaps a more accurate description would be that

> > one was following the other around and the one being followed was

> > tolerating the other.  But then, every once in a while you would see a

> > "bill clattering" between the two of them.

> >

> >   Q: Do crows take up residence in an area that is fairly specific?  And

> >      stay there/reappear there over a period of months?

> >

> >   The encounter(s) reported above did not -seem- to be play.  They seemed

> > to be "reciprocative mobbing" in the first case and 'hanging out

> together'

> > in the second case.

> >                                                              - Jim

> >

> >

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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 05:47:36 +0000 (UTC)

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> > Hello,

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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 06:09:18 -0700

> > From: Dan Reiff <dan.owl.reiff at gmail.com>

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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 10:19:10 -0700

> > From: Samuel Terry <samgterry at gmail.com>

> > To: Tweeters <tweeters at u.washington.edu>

> > Subject: [Tweeters] Alki West Seattle Pygmy Nuthatch

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> > Hi tweeters -

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> > I just found a Pygmy Nuthatch in the pines on Benton Place SW by the

> > treatment plant at Alki in West Seattle. It?s possible there?s two birds

> > but not sure. Hanging out with a couple of RBNU and OCWA. Vocalizing on

> and

> > off - which is how I found it. Tough to see but i was able to get a

> couple

> > good looks.

> >

> > Good birding,

> >

> > Sam Terry

> > Seattle

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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:27:35 -0700

> > From: Michael Hobbs <birdmarymoor at gmail.com>

> > To: Samuel Terry <samgterry at gmail.com>

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> > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Alki West Seattle Pygmy Nuthatch

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> > Pygmy Nuthatch still present on Benton Place near the Alki STP.  Last

> seen,

> > towards the end of the street.

> >

> > - Michael Hobbs

> >

> >> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023, 10:20 AM Samuel Terry <samgterry at gmail.com>

> wrote:

> >>

> >> Hi tweeters -

> >>

> >> I just found a Pygmy Nuthatch in the pines on Benton Place SW by the

> >> treatment plant at Alki in West Seattle. It?s possible there?s two birds

> >> but not sure. Hanging out with a couple of RBNU and OCWA. Vocalizing on

> and

> >> off - which is how I found it. Tough to see but i was able to get a

> couple

> >> good looks.

> >>

> >> Good birding,

> >>

> >> Sam Terry

> >> Seattle

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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:35:56 -0700

> > From: Nancy Morrison <weedsrus1 at gmail.com>

> > To: tweeters at u.washington.edu

> > Subject: [Tweeters] Great Blue Herons defending their feeding grounds

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> > I was in the Sammamish River Slough recently when I witnessed two Great

> > Blue Herons doing this wonderful slow motion dance. I have since learned

> > that this is how they defend their feeding grounds. In all my years of

> > watching GBH, I had never seen this display before. My apologies, but I

> > could not avoid the temptation to put it to music.

> >

> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tii_We-3izs

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> > Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 11:53:03 -0700 (PDT)

> > From: Dennis Paulson <dennispaulson at comcast.net>

> > To: Nancy Morrison <weedsrus1 at gmail.com>, tweeters at u.washington.edu

> > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Great Blue Herons defending their feeding

> >    grounds

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> > Nancy, that is just wonderful; thanks for the music. In all the years

> I've been watching Great Blues, I've never seen that either. I have seen a

> lot of overt aggression instead of that beautiful display.

> >

> > Dennis Paulson

> > Seattle

> >

> >> On 09/12/2023 11:35 AM PDT Nancy Morrison <weedsrus1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> I was in the Sammamish River Slough recently when I witnessed two Great

> Blue Herons doing this wonderful slow motion dance. I have since learned

> that this is how they defend their feeding grounds. In all my years of

> watching GBH, I had never seen this display before. My apologies, but I

> could not avoid the temptation to put it to music.

> >>

> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tii_We-3izs

> >>

> >> Nancy Morrison

> >>

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