From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 01:25:15 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Subramanian Sankar via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 01:25:36 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Birding in Kirkland Message-ID: A friend of mine, Deepa Mohan (mohandeepa@gmail.com) an avid birder from Bengaluru is visiting her daughter in Kirkland, WA and sent this message : Is there anyone in the Kirkland, Seattle area with whom I can go on a bird/nature walk? Are there any organized bird walks in the area? (For example, I started birding in St Louis, Missouri, many years ago, because there were beginner bird walks on the first Sunday of every month. I joined these eagerly, and made a lot of friends). I have bought a bus pass, which will give me 10 to-and-fro rides in June '24, and can work out the routes/time taken and meet like-minded people at a mutually convenient spot. Not good at solitary birding when many of the birds are still unknown to me! 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Dennis Paulson Maple Leaf, Seattle From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:29:51 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:29:56 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Acute sense of touch helps hummingbirds hover near a flower without bumping into it | ScienceDaily Message-ID: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240529144222.htm Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:31:05 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:31:09 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Researchers improve satellite surveillance of emperor penguins | ScienceDaily Message-ID: <45D22B78-FAC6-4DEB-9449-9DA1B556B1DB@gmail.com> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240529144139.htm Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:32:00 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:32:04 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Ukraine war caused migrating eagles to deviate from their usual flight plan, study finds | ScienceDaily Message-ID: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2024/05/240520122700.htm Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:33:38 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:33:41 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Plastic_in_birds=E2=80=99_stomachs_release_t?= =?utf-8?q?oxic_chemicals=2C_study_suggests_=7C_The_Independent?= Message-ID: <6CA285A5-55CF-4A52-81E8-A3869D9E5DFB@gmail.com> https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/plastics-chemicals-birds-sea-water-b2550068.html Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:35:21 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:35:25 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] As No Mow May ends, here's why we should keep patches of lawn permanently wild Message-ID: https://phys.org/news/2024-05-patches-lawn-permanently-wild.html Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:37:03 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:37:24 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Three-Dozen Law Professors File Amicus Brief in Support of Great Salt Lake Lawsuit - American Bird Conservancy Message-ID: https://abcbirds.org/news/three-dozen-law-professors-file-amicus-brief-in-support-of-great-salt-lake-lawsuit/ Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 14:38:15 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 14:43:53 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Crows can count out loud, startling study reveals | Live Science Message-ID: <6FA055D8-7CEE-4589-98B9-CDD3D20061CC@gmail.com> https://www.livescience.com/animals/birds/crows-can-count-out-loud-startling-study-reveals Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 1 17:27:51 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Louise via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 1 17:28:03 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Lesser nighthawk Message-ID: I got to the cove around 2.30pm. I got out of the car with my binoculars and a lady returning to hers said to me, "Straight down the main path, you'll see the birders." So that was easy. I don't envy the people who get there early each day and have to find it. It wasn't cooperative enough to be sharing a branch with a common nighthawk as it was a few days ago, but there was a very visible roosting common elsewhere in the cove for comparison looks and shots. The bird did periodically stretch and preen so every aspect of it could be seen with a little patience. Many thanks to the Canadian birder who did the finding this morning and put everyone else on to it. Louise Rutter Kirkland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Other recent noteworthies include: quite a few EVENING GROSBEAKS around Port Townsend -- esp Cherry and P a few days ago, and today flying over my house; 2-3 singing LAZULI BUNTINGS (very rare up here) along West Uncas Rd near Discovery Bay; a NORTHERN MOCKINGBIRD was reported yesterday at Pt Wilson; at least two WESTERN KINGBIRDS last week; some late geese at Pt Wilson - 4 ALEUTIAN CACKLERS and 3 flyover WHITE-FRONTED. Spring migration is still very much giving gifts! good birding, -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 2 14:00:19 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Larry Schwitters via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 2 14:00:30 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Vaux's Happening in the rain Message-ID: Sunday afternoon. Lots of swifts going in and out of the Monroe Wagner roost. Estimate 5-6 thousand inside now. Larry Schwitters Issaquah From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 2 16:18:55 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Nelson Briefer via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 2 16:19:09 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Goshawk sightings Message-ID: I have been scouting the skies of Anacortes, Burlington, Mount Vernon, Bellingham, Fir Island and Oak Harbor. And since my last report, I have come up empty. The hawks are now in the forest, tending to nesting activities. I will report again next June 1. Cheers, Nelson, Anacortes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 2 18:02:38 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Rob Faucett via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 2 18:03:32 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Goshawk sightings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25FD7F18-FBD2-4261-A92C-2643882DA749@mac.com> Thanks for always being on watch. We appreciate the updates. rcf -- Rob Faucett 206-619-5569 Seattle, WA > On Jun 2, 2024, at 4:18?PM, Nelson Briefer via Tweeters wrote: > > I have been scouting the skies of Anacortes, Burlington, Mount Vernon, Bellingham, Fir Island and Oak Harbor. And since my last report, I have come up empty. The hawks are now in the forest, tending to nesting activities. I will report again next June 1. Cheers, Nelson, Anacortes. _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 2 18:46:37 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Diann MacRae via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 2 18:46:42 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] TUVU's Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We had great looks at RHINOCEROS AUKLETS (455), COMMON MURRES (512), PIGEON GUILLEMOTS (13), SURF (538) and WHITE-WINGED SCOTERS (136), PACIFIC (31) and COMMON LOONS (4) as we motored out the inshore waters, with pelicans being surprisingly absent in the morning. As expected, SOOTY SHEARWATERS were found just after our smooth bar crossing?most in active molt and looking a bit messy. They were quite low in number for the day ? only 188! A group of three adult ANCIENT MURRELETS (27) alongside the boat delighted everyone on board, as were the additional murrelet groups later encountered with chicks (1/2-3/4 grown). A pair of fur seals were spotted along our route, one of which could be identified as a GUADALUPE FUR SEAL. The strikingly beautiful alternate plumage of the SABINE?S GULL (22) captivated many of our first timers?what a gorgeous gull! As we entered deep waters off the shelf, several seabirds were found near a large mixed group of PACIFIC WHITE-SIDED DOLPHIN (156) and RISSO?S DOLPHINS (9), which gave us quite the show! A few of the bow-riders got great looks at a large SALMON SHARK alongside the boat. A nearby spot prawn boat didn?t appear to be attracting any birds (although the trap buoy flags looked like they had birds perched on them?very distracting!). We paused to chum, announcing that it was a good time to grab some lunch, but before we could do much more than watch the slick spread, we suddenly took off to intersect the wake of a passing factory trawler (processing). What luck! The boat certainly left a ?fragrant? trail (pee-ew!) which was attracting quite a following?we struggled to count the FORK-TAILED STORM-PETRELS (669) as they crowded along the boat?s wake as far as we could see! A few LEACH?S STORM-PETRELS (26) in the mix really stood out with their nighthawk-like flight style. PINK-FOOTED SHEARWATERS (353), BLACK-FOOTED ALBATROSS (120), and NORTHERN FULMAR (35) were also enjoying the ship?s bounty. The area also produced close encounters and fantastic views of adult PARASITIC (2) and LONG-TAILED JAEGER (1). As the ship got more distant, we returned to the chum spot to find it had also attracted a good number of storm-petrels, albatross, and fulmars. What a fantastic deep water visit! Our return trip produced a close, but quick fly-by POMARINE JAEGER (1), as well as a very cooperative SHORT-TAILED SHEARWATER (1) offering close views sitting on the water and a few short flights to give everyone time to view the field marks on a challenging identification. A very large group of PACIFIC WHITE-SIDED DOLPHINS with an amazing number of NORTHERN RIGHT-WHALE DOLPHINS (60!) surrounded the *Monte Carlo* and delighted everyone on board! What a treat! As we approached inshore waters again, we found that the morning?s missing BROWN PELICANS (167) had returned, loafing on the rocks at the end of the jetty, as were the usual mix of cormorants and gulls?including several HEERMAN?S GULLS (48). We laughed at the STELLER?S SEA LIONS draping themselves at the base of the buoys, like big, boneless bags of blubber, and at the apartment lifestyle of the nesting BRANDT?S CORMORANTS in the buoy?s sectioned top. One WANDERING TATTLER was spotted along the jetty?s base. A single BLACK OYSTERCATCHER was a pleasant surprise, helping round out an amazing day on the ocean! Thanks to a great group of birders, whose enthusiasm and excitement make these trips special! The Westport Seabirds crew consisted of the amazing duo of Captain Phil Anderson and First Mate Chris Anderson. Spotters were Scott Mills, Bill Shelmerdine, and me. 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Many of the volumes are rare and hard-to-find. > Currently, David has in stock many books from the library of our recently > departed friend Gregg Thompson. > > I have no connection the the shop other than as an old friend and > long-time customer. David runs the shop from his residence near Discovery > Park. Make an appointment to visit by calling him at 206 499-7305. > > Rachel Lawson > Seattle > rwlawson5593@outlook.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Myself and refuge biologist Mike Munts will be leading a field trip at the Little Pend Oreille NWR, Saturday, June 15th. Meet at the refuge HDQ at 7:30 AM. Little Pend Oreille National Wildlife Refuge 1310 Bear Creek Road, Colville,WA99114-9713 We will generally be following the Auto Tour route, side trips to Potter's Pond, Bayley Lake and other special locations. White-headed, Black-backed, and American Three-toed woodpeckers are targets. The LPO NWR is a hot spot for many breeding species of the western edge of the Rocky Mtns. Room for 12-15 participants. Contact Dave Kreft with questions or to reserve a spot . dkreft052@gmail.com 509-675-9375. Call or text. Dave Kreft -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Jun 4, 2024, at 13:46, Bud Anderson via Tweeters wrote: > > Here is another glowing vote of support for David, a staunch provider of books and other ephemera for curious biologists/botanists over these many decades, both in the Seattle area and beyond. > > Plus, as another added bonus, he has a fine British sense of humor that I have always enjoyed greatly. > > A key resource. > > A purveyor of treasures. > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 4 17:16:07 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Deborah West via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 4 17:16:12 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Black-Capped Chickadees: Round Two Message-ID: The Black-Capped Chickadee nestlings using our bird box fledged eight days ago. This afternoon I watched a chickadee carrying nesting material into the bird box. Could they be planning a second brood or is this more likely a different pair of Black-Capped planning to use it? I feel bad because I have not had an opportunity to clean it out after the first nestlings fledged. Deborah Olympia From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 4 23:24:32 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Price via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 4 23:24:49 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] migrants Message-ID: Hi tweets In Vancouver BC, having birds linger like this is sometimes a result of cold wet weather clogging the mountain passes with deep snow. A couple of indicator species of this are Grey-crowned Rosy Finches at sea level, and Mountain Bluebirds. According to a biologist who worked a lot with mountain birds (sorry, name forgotten) said the birds at sea level will fly up daily, check out the conditions up high and if the passes are still clogged, they'll just come back to sea level, rinse and repeat until they can get through. best wishes, m -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 5 08:54:19 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Paul Bannick via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 5 08:54:36 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Flora and Fauna In-Reply-To: <00B86AAB-B3C0-4648-B348-D999320081AC@comcast.net> References: <00B86AAB-B3C0-4648-B348-D999320081AC@comcast.net> Message-ID: I would add that in a time when most bookstores are forced to focus on turning inventory and thus are challenged to keep many titles, David stands alone in carrying a broad diversity of natural history titles that not only help birds learn more about birds but perhaps more importantly help that learn about the plants, ecosystems and geographies that sustain them. He has been my go-to for for such titles for more than 25 years and I am glad he is still in business to help us dig deeper into our precious natural resources. 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We > need the rustle of pages as much as we do the clicking of keyboards. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > > On Jun 4, 2024, at 13:46, Bud Anderson via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > Here is another glowing vote of support for David, a staunch provider of > books and other ephemera for curious biologists/botanists over these many > decades, both in the Seattle area and beyond. > > > > Plus, as another added bonus, he has a fine British sense of humor that > I have always enjoyed greatly. > > > > A key resource. > > > > A purveyor of treasures. > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Now Available: Owl: A Year in the Lives of North American Owls at: http://paulbannick.com/shop/owl-a-year-in-the-lives-of-north-american-owls/ Paul Bannick Photography www.paulbannick.com 206-940-7835 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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First since March Downy Woodpecker - Pair bringing food to a nest at the west end of the boardwalk Western Wood-Pewee - Doing full-blown two-part song this morning Western Flycatcher - First of Year (FOY), also singing Cedar Waxwing - Many sightings Orange-crowned Warbler - Two heard, one pre-dawn, one at the end of the walk at the Rowing Club Black-throated Gray Warbler - Matt heard one singing at the Rowing Club Western Tanager - One seen briefly, another heard About 25 species were heard singing today. Quite a few babies about too. Pre-dawn, Tony saw a BOBCAT at the SW corner of the East Meadow (FOY) It was a good day. = Michael Hobbs = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 6 17:51:21 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Eric Heisey via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 6 17:51:30 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Okanogan County Big Day -- 177 species! References: <8A5BDA1D-F61C-48BC-A89A-A087F2554D17.ref@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: <8A5BDA1D-F61C-48BC-A89A-A087F2554D17@rocketmail.com> Hi all, On May 27th, I embarked on an Okanogan County big day, accompanied by Methow Valley birder Dj Jones, attempting to find as many species of birds as we could in a single day. Located in North Central Washington, the state?s largest county boasts impressive diversity for its northern latitude. It sits at the convergence of several major ecotypes, encompassing the scattered conifer forests and grasslands of the Canadian Okanagan region, the Columbia River, the vibrant riparian forest of the Methow Valley, and the stunning alpine peaks of the North Cascades. As such an expansive county, an Okanogan County big day necessitates some convoluted navigation. Perhaps the most diverse region of Washington lies around the Sinlahekin Valley and Okanogan Highlands, and we therefore made it our priority to start with these beautiful locales for owls and the prime morning hours. We then blasted south to Cameron Lake Road, for grassland specialties and the waterbirds which breed in the glacially gouged potholes present there. Afterwards, the Columbia River provided us with a fantastic showing of ?big water? species and lowland breeders. As the evening came round, we sped up into the Methow Valley, reaching Washington Pass overlook before 6pm. Our day ended in the Methow, serenaded by the hoots of Barred and Flammulated Owls. This was a true midnight-to-midnight endeavor, and by the end of the exhausting day we had managed to find 177 species of bird! This establishes a record for the most species seen in one day in a Washington county, breaking the previous record of 162 species on a Grays Harbor big day by 15 species! I have been waiting to post this to confirm this record, as well as confirming one addition to the list from a recording I took of a Long-eared Owl alarm call which I was immediately familiar with but have since had confirmed by a few people who knew this vocalization. It was a fantastic project, and I had a ton of fun piecing together this day! I hope to have the opportunity to attempt this route again in the future, as I believe a total of 180+ is very possible given some of our misses. You can find the trip report of this adventure at this link: https://ebird.org/tripreport/246144 Good birding, Eric Heisey -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 7 00:10:52 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Hans-Joachim Feddern via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 7 00:11:08 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Flora & Fauna Message-ID: I recently took the book "Birds of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, Oregon" off the shelf. To my surprise it still had the handwritten invoice from Flora & Fauna dated 4-8-91 inside! It brought back happy memories of browsing the store and coming home with another bird book. I put the book to good use by visiting the refuge for five consecutive years in early May. Thank you David for the many years you served us well! Good Birding! Hans -- *Hans Feddern* Twin Lakes/Federal Way, WA thefedderns@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 7 06:32:11 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Nelson Briefer via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 7 06:32:27 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Okanogan County Big Day -- 177 species! In-Reply-To: <8A5BDA1D-F61C-48BC-A89A-A087F2554D17@rocketmail.com> References: <8A5BDA1D-F61C-48BC-A89A-A087F2554D17.ref@rocketmail.com> <8A5BDA1D-F61C-48BC-A89A-A087F2554D17@rocketmail.com> Message-ID: Years ago I bumped into Patrick Sullivan, the first and only bump, at Samish Flats. I asked him about his Goshawk license plate. He told me there are many Goshawks in the Okanogan. Just sayin. I have never been to the Okanogan. Nelson Briefer? Anacortes. Cheers. On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 5:51?PM Eric Heisey via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > > On May 27th, I embarked on an Okanogan County big day, accompanied by > Methow Valley birder Dj Jones, attempting to find as many species of birds > as we could in a single day. Located in North Central Washington, the > state?s largest county boasts impressive diversity for its northern > latitude. It sits at the convergence of several major ecotypes, > encompassing the scattered conifer forests and grasslands of the Canadian > Okanagan region, the Columbia River, the vibrant riparian forest of the > Methow Valley, and the stunning alpine peaks of the North Cascades. > > As such an expansive county, an Okanogan County big day necessitates some > convoluted navigation. Perhaps the most diverse region of Washington lies > around the Sinlahekin Valley and Okanogan Highlands, and we therefore made > it our priority to start with these beautiful locales for owls and the > prime morning hours. We then blasted south to Cameron Lake Road, for > grassland specialties and the waterbirds which breed in the glacially > gouged potholes present there. Afterwards, the Columbia River provided us > with a fantastic showing of ?big water? species and lowland breeders. As > the evening came round, we sped up into the Methow Valley, reaching > Washington Pass overlook before 6pm. Our day ended in the Methow, serenaded > by the hoots of Barred and Flammulated Owls. > > This was a true midnight-to-midnight endeavor, and by the end of the > exhausting day we had managed to find 177 species of bird! This establishes > a record for the most species seen in one day in a Washington county, > breaking the previous record of 162 species on a Grays Harbor big day by 15 > species! I have been waiting to post this to confirm this record, as well > as confirming one addition to the list from a recording I took of a > Long-eared Owl alarm call which I was immediately familiar with but have > since had confirmed by a few people who knew this vocalization. It was a > fantastic project, and I had a ton of fun piecing together this day! I hope > to have the opportunity to attempt this route again in the future, as I > believe a total of 180+ is very possible given some of our misses. > > You can find the trip report of this adventure at this link: > https://ebird.org/tripreport/246144 > > Good birding, > > Eric Heisey > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 7 12:39:57 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Shep Thorp via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 7 12:40:13 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Wednesday Walk at Billy Frank Jr Nisqually NWR for 6/5/2024 Message-ID: Hi Tweets, Around 35 of us had a beautiful spring day at the Refuge with partly cloudy skies in the morning and sunny skies in the afternoon. There was a Low -3' Tide at 11:29am, so lots of mud when we made it out to the dike and Estuary Boardwalk Trail. Highlights included nesting CLIFF SWALLOW in the Visitor Center, DOWNY WOODPECKER feeding chicks at the nest cavity in the big Maple immediately to the right of the entrance to the Visitor Center, nice sightings and numbers of CEDAR WAXWING, RED CROSSBILL and EVENING GROSBEAKS, great looks of CINNAMON TEAL and BLUE-WINGED TEAL in the Visitor Center Pond, baby WOOD DUCKS, MALLARDS, and HOODED MERGANSER, nesting WESTERN WOOD-PEWEE along the access road just south of the Twin Barns, chick in the BALD EAGLE nest across McAllister Creek from the Puget Sound Viewing Platform, and high count (80 plus) Bald Eagle foraging on Sand Lance or other small thin fish in the sand and mudflats of McAllister Creek and Nisqually Reach. Other highlights included a Columbian Black-tailed Deer, 3 point buck in velvet, along the Nisqually Estuary Trail and a River Otter at the Nisqually River Overlook. For the day we observed 73 species. First of Year HAMMOND'S FLYCATCHER was observed by some of our group at the west entrance to the Twin Barns Loop Trail. We have seen 154 species this year. See eBird report below with details. Until next week when we meet again at 8am at the Visitor Center Pond Overlook, happy birding. Shep -- Shep Thorp Browns Point 253-370-3742 Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually NWR, Thurston, Washington, US Jun 5, 2024 6:00 AM - 5:19 PM Protocol: Traveling 9.732 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. Partly cloudy morning, sunny afternoon. Temperatures in the 40?s to 60?s degrees Fahrenheit. A Low -3? Tide at 11:29am. Mammals seen include Eastern Cotton-tailed Rabbit, Columbian Black-tailed Deer, Townsend?s Chipmunk, Eastern Gray Squirrel, Harbor Seal, River Otter. Other Garter Snake, Bullfrog, Red-eared Slider, Pacific Tree Frog, Western Meadowhawk, Bronze Ground Beetle (larva seen last week). 73 species (+4 other taxa) Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) 50 Wood Duck 14 Visitor Center Pond Blue-winged Teal 4 Visitor Center Pond. Cinnamon Teal 5 Mallard 100 Northern Pintail 2 Bufflehead 1 Previously reported. Flying from freshwater marsh over dike. Common Goldeneye 2 Previously reported. In Shannon Slough. Photos. Hooded Merganser 13 Pied-billed Grebe 1 Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon) 2 Band-tailed Pigeon 12 Mourning Dove 5 Vaux's Swift 2 Rufous Hummingbird 7 hummingbird sp. 1 Virginia Rail 2 Sora 3 Killdeer 1 Whimbrel 2 Ring-billed Gull 100 California Gull 20 Glaucous-winged Gull 20 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 5 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 20 Caspian Tern 39 Brandt's Cormorant 4 Double-crested Cormorant 30 Great Blue Heron 45 Osprey 1 Bald Eagle 80 Counted Low tide, foraging on fish in sand/mud along McAllister Creek and Nisqually Reach. Red-tailed Hawk (calurus/alascensis) 1 Belted Kingfisher 1 Red-breasted Sapsucker 4 Downy Woodpecker 7 Northern Flicker 2 Northern Flicker (Red-shafted) 1 Western Wood-Pewee 6 Willow Flycatcher 6 Hammond's Flycatcher 1 Western Flycatcher (Pacific-slope) 3 Warbling Vireo 12 Steller's Jay 2 American Crow 10 Common Raven 2 Black-capped Chickadee 8 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 4 Bank Swallow 6 Previously reported. Tree Swallow 30 Violet-green Swallow 2 Purple Martin 9 Northern Rough-winged Swallow 4 Barn Swallow 25 Cliff Swallow 45 Bushtit 1 Brown Creeper 6 Marsh Wren 5 Bewick's Wren 4 European Starling 40 Swainson's Thrush 52 American Robin 25 Cedar Waxwing 60 Evening Grosbeak 5 Purple Finch 6 Red Crossbill 12 American Goldfinch 35 Savannah Sparrow 6 Song Sparrow (rufina Group) 46 Spotted Towhee 6 Yellow-headed Blackbird 5 Bullock's Oriole 6 Red-winged Blackbird 40 Brown-headed Cowbird 23 Common Yellowthroat 18 Yellow Warbler 45 Wilson's Warbler 1 Black-headed Grosbeak 6 View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S179815429 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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James via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 7 18:59:53 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Bonaparte's Gull References: <00ae01dab947$89f51d90$9ddf58b0$.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00ae01dab947$89f51d90$9ddf58b0$@verizon.net> Bonaparte's Gull, still in first winter plumage, on Lake Washington north of the Renton Boathouse, between 1 pm and 4:30 pm Friday June 7. Small gull, dark spot behind eye, some smudging above and below spot and on cap, black bill, popped up briefly and showed pink legs. Solitary. First spotted from Lakeshore Retirement Community at 1 pm, but I could not get over to the boathouse to get a closer look until after 3:30 pm. Odette James -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed Pullen From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 8 10:57:31 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Philip Dickinson via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 8 10:57:45 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Eastern Kingbird on Fobes Ebey Dike Trail In-Reply-To: <8D18FAAF-E1B2-4CD9-8E04-AFC4B4A86F74@gmail.com> References: <8D18FAAF-E1B2-4CD9-8E04-AFC4B4A86F74@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A726E88-3C8E-4C6B-869B-7996C5BA7B96@gmail.com> A few have regularly nested there for several years. Phil Dickinson Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 8, 2024, at 10:34?AM, Edward Pullen via Tweeters wrote: > > ?Perched 2.28 Mikes down trail from Fobes Rd parking. Not sure but suspect a good Snohomish bird. > Sent from my iPhone. Ed Pullen > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 8 11:46:58 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Vicki via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 8 11:47:15 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Sumner Links Trail 2 Message-ID: Good morning! Last Thursday I walked with a friend on the Sumner Links Trail, off of Highway 410, taking the very first exit when entering Sumner. Then go right and park in trail parking next to Mama Stortinis. I was amazed at all of the birds, so I had to go back and do an EBird checklist, which in total, was 27 species. Checklist is below, which should also take you to the trail. I titled it Sumner Links Trail 2, because across the bridge is a trail sign, but it?s a separate trail, being a Opposite the Puyallup River from the one I actually walked. This is my first try at linking an EBird list, so I hope it works. 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Dennis Paulson Seattle From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 9 16:56:20 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 9 16:56:47 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Scrub-jay in Everett Message-ID: <514FB693-6917-434B-9B3B-5DBD3828E5F6@comcast.net> Sorry, that should have been Belmonte Lane. Hello tweets, Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? Dennis Paulson Seattle _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 9 17:19:43 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Philip Dickinson via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 9 17:19:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Scrub-jay in Everett In-Reply-To: <514FB693-6917-434B-9B3B-5DBD3828E5F6@comcast.net> References: <514FB693-6917-434B-9B3B-5DBD3828E5F6@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9C6F5B12-1740-4A81-B95C-BEC360017C1A@gmail.com> They have been regular for several years near East Marine View ( before 2016). Probably the first colony in the area Phil Dickinson Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2024, at 4:56?PM, Dennis Paulson via Tweeters wrote: > > ?Sorry, that should have been Belmonte Lane. > > Hello tweets, > > Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. > > Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 10 06:25:38 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Diann MacRae via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 10 06:25:44 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] May 2024 TUVU report Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably the first colony in the area > > Phil Dickinson > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 9, 2024, at 4:56?PM, Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > ?Sorry, that should have been Belmonte Lane. > > > > Hello tweets, > > > > Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the > wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court > yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It > flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. > > > > Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? > > > > Dennis Paulson > > Seattle > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- [image: Logo] Brian Zinke Executive Director phone: (425) 232-6811 email: director@pilchuckaudubon.org Pilchuck Audubon Society 1429 Avenue D, PMB 198, Snohomish, WA 98290 [image: Facebook icon] [image: Twitter icon] [image: Instagram icon] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We stopped and got good photos of it. It flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. > > Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 16:56:20 -0700 > From: Dennis Paulson via Tweeters > To: TWEETERS tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] Scrub-jay in Everett > Message-ID: <514FB693-6917-434B-9B3B-5DBD3828E5F6@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Sorry, that should have been Belmonte Lane. > > Hello tweets, > > Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. > > Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2024 17:19:43 -0700 > From: Philip Dickinson via Tweeters > To: Dennis Paulson > Cc: TWEETERS tweeters > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Scrub-jay in Everett > Message-ID: <9C6F5B12-1740-4A81-B95C-BEC360017C1A@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > They have been regular for several years near East Marine View ( before 2016). Probably the first colony in the area > > Phil Dickinson > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 9, 2024, at 4:56?PM, Dennis Paulson via Tweeters wrote: >> >> ?Sorry, that should have been Belmonte Lane. >> >> Hello tweets, >> >> Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. >> >> Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 15:25:38 +0200 > From: Diann MacRae via Tweeters > To: tweeters t > Subject: [Tweeters] May 2024 TUVU report > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:53:15 -0700 > From: Brian Zinke via Tweeters > To: TWEETERS tweeters > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Scrub-jay in Everett > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've noticed scrub-jays in Sedro-Woolley and Mount Vernon the last few > years. I wouldn't say they're common in those towns but not a shock to see > anymore, either. > > > On Sun, Jun 9, 2024 at 5:20?PM Philip Dickinson via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> They have been regular for several years near East Marine View ( before >> 2016). Probably the first colony in the area >> >> Phil Dickinson >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 9, 2024, at 4:56?PM, Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >>> >>> ?Sorry, that should have been Belmonte Lane. >>> >>> Hello tweets, >>> >>> Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the >> wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court >> yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It >> flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. >>> >>> Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? >>> >>> Dennis Paulson >>> Seattle >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > [image: Logo] > Brian Zinke > Executive Director > phone: (425) 232-6811 > email: director@pilchuckaudubon.org > Pilchuck Audubon Society > 1429 Avenue D, PMB 198, Snohomish, WA 98290 > [image: Facebook icon] [image: > Twitter icon] [image: Instagram icon] > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@mailman11.u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tweeters Digest, Vol 238, Issue 10 > ***************************************** From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 10 14:25:40 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jane Hadley via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 10 14:25:43 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Scrub-Jay in Everett Message-ID: <5cf3f9ce-b2bd-4225-a545-ec845ad1bfae@gmail.com> Dennis Paulson reported that he and Netta Smith saw a California Scrub-Jay on a wire on a wire along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court on June 8. He asked whether scrub-jays are regular in Everett now. Steve Hampton wrote an informative article in the WOS newsletter in the fall of 2021 tracking the expansion of the California Scrub-Jay. Steve reported that, roughly speaking, the jay spread from the Portland area to Olympia between 1975 and 2000, covering about 100 miles in 25 years, and from Olympia to Vancouver, BC, from 2000 to 2010, covering about 150 miles in 10 years. According to his article, the California Scrub-Jay may be running out of habitat, but given a warming climate and the species' ability to adapt from its preferred acorns to feeders and other food sources, it's likely it will become established and common throughout the Puget Trough and beyond. In southern Idaho, contact with Woodhouse?s Scrub-Jay will be inevitable, he said. You can read the full article in the newsletter here: https://wos.org/documents/wosnews/wosnews192.pdf Jane Hadley Seattle, WA hadleyj1725@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 10 18:52:15 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 10 18:52:20 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software Message-ID: Hello tweets, I think this is a valid topic for tweeters, as so many of us extend our interest in birds to photography. I?ve been using a photo-organizing program called MediaPro for years, and I love it, but it was discontinued six years ago, and I have had to forego upgrading my Mac system to keep using it. I know it?s time for a change, and I?ve done some research on replacements, but I?m curious what programs of that nature for Mac computers are used by other serious photographers around here and how well you like them. Hopefully any responses may be of value to the many people on tweeters who are into photography as much as we are. Just as a little background, we photograph everything in nature, and I have about 235,000 digital photos on my computer. Dennis Paulson Seattle From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 10 18:54:19 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Paul Bannick via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 10 18:54:33 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Two words: Photo Mechanic Sent from Gmail Mobile On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 6:52?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hello tweets, > > I think this is a valid topic for tweeters, as so many of us extend our > interest in birds to photography. > > I?ve been using a photo-organizing program called MediaPro for years, and > I love it, but it was discontinued six years ago, and I have had to forego > upgrading my Mac system to keep using it. > > I know it?s time for a change, and I?ve done some research on > replacements, but I?m curious what programs of that nature for Mac > computers are used by other serious photographers around here and how well > you like them. > > Hopefully any responses may be of value to the many people on tweeters who > are into photography as much as we are. Just as a little background, we > photograph everything in nature, and I have about 235,000 digital photos on > my computer. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 12:47:44 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Marty via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 12:47:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Re photo-organizing software Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 15:55:45 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Glenn Nelson via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 15:55:50 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software Message-ID: <5d7e06a9-af64-13d5-8b6a-f38ee25c7d14@comcast.net> I second Paul's suggestion: Photo Mechanic (or Photo Mechanic Plus). I worked at The Seattle Times for almost a couple decades and I use Photo Mechanic because all the Times photographers did. It's pretty widely a professionals' choice. It's easy to tag and categorize and is especially fast to ingest photo files. It's made to be a database as opposed to software like Lightroom where DB functions are part of a larger suite of editing, etc. Best, Glenn Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 16:05:43 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Nancy Crowell via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 16:06:13 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software In-Reply-To: <5d7e06a9-af64-13d5-8b6a-f38ee25c7d14@comcast.net> References: <5d7e06a9-af64-13d5-8b6a-f38ee25c7d14@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have used both Photo Mechanic & Lightroom Classic. Although LR was originally designed to be a database, it now offers editing options that rival Photoshop, including generative AI (said without commentary on the ethics of AI). If you don?t need all those bells & whistles, Photo Mechanic is fast and easy for organization. I found it to be used mostly by journalists, which is an endorsement for its speed and ease of use. I ended up leaning on Lightroom because I do want editing options, but was impressed with Photo Mechanic. Nancy "Images for the imagination." www.crowellphotography.com ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Glenn Nelson via Tweeters Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2024 3:55:45 PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software I second Paul's suggestion: Photo Mechanic (or Photo Mechanic Plus). I worked at The Seattle Times for almost a couple decades and I use Photo Mechanic because all the Times photographers did. It's pretty widely a professionals' choice. It's easy to tag and categorize and is especially fast to ingest photo files. It's made to be a database as opposed to software like Lightroom where DB functions are part of a larger suite of editing, etc. Best, Glenn Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 16:15:10 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Paul Bannick via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 16:15:24 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software In-Reply-To: References: <5d7e06a9-af64-13d5-8b6a-f38ee25c7d14@comcast.net> Message-ID: I use photo mechanic for quick reviews and only bring a subset into Lightroom which is much slower I never edit photos and abhor AI use in photos Sent from Gmail Mobile On Tue, Jun 11, 2024 at 4:07?PM Nancy Crowell via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I have used both Photo Mechanic & Lightroom Classic. Although LR was > originally designed to be a database, it now offers editing options that > rival Photoshop, including generative AI (said without commentary on the > ethics of AI). If you don?t need all those bells & whistles, Photo Mechanic > is fast and easy for organization. I found it to be used mostly by > journalists, which is an endorsement for its speed and ease of use. I ended > up leaning on Lightroom because I do want editing options, but was > impressed with Photo Mechanic. > > Nancy > "Images for the imagination." > www.crowellphotography.com > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on behalf > of Glenn Nelson via Tweeters > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 11, 2024 3:55:45 PM > *To:* tweeters@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software > > I second Paul's suggestion: Photo Mechanic (or Photo Mechanic Plus). I > worked at The Seattle Times for almost a couple decades and I use Photo > Mechanic because all the Times photographers did. It's pretty widely a > professionals' choice. It's easy to tag and categorize and is especially > fast to ingest photo files. It's made to be a database as opposed to > software like Lightroom where DB functions are part of a larger suite of > editing, etc. > > Best, > Glenn > Seattle > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 16:33:20 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Megan Lyden via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 16:33:25 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] response to Dennis Paulson's query about photography software Message-ID: Hi Tweeters, Hi Tweeters, In reply to Dennis' question about photography software, I use Mylio. It's a small, locally owned software company. 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 17:02:50 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan McDougall-Treacy via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 17:03:06 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Least Flycatcher today 6/11 Message-ID: <98265A79-BBF3-46A2-805C-B20837CD2E15@gmail.com> C Post Road. no Fields Riffle. yes Dan McDougall-Treacy From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 11 18:13:31 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (B B via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 11 18:13:38 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Another Bird Photography Question References: <2146577402.2659399.1718154811502.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2146577402.2659399.1718154811502@mail.yahoo.com> I am looking for a simple and fast photo viewing and basic editing program for working with RAW images.? I generally use ON1 and have used Lightroom Classic.? I do not like, want to use or need the cataloging that LRC requires before processing etc.? And ON1 is good for most of what I do but the new version is less useful for me than the old one.? I really just want something where I can view RAW images, delete clearly bad ones and do quick basic edits (mostly cropping) at night during trips and saving them to trip folders without going through the full ON1 process - which I might still do later. Any insights/recommendations would be greatly appreciated.? (Free is good!!) Thanks Blair Bernson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 12 10:06:46 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tom Benedict via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 12 10:07:22 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] White Eagle on Marrowstone Island? Message-ID: <35D37FCE-7BFC-4E50-844B-1729562C6144@comcast.net> I?ve saw a report of a white eagle in the Marrowstone Island area. Can anyone confirm this? There is a low quality distant video on Port Ludlow Next Door in case anyone has access: https://nextdoor.com/p/944BQbYjj-z8?utm_source=share&extras=OTY5NDUzNTI%3D&utm_campaign=1718211612145 Tom Benedict Seahurst, WA From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 12 12:35:20 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (rob cash via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 12 12:35:26 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] photo-organizing software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <406ad93a53c62a938baefcadbb8f91742d5ce8cb.camel@robcash.net> I use digikam. Free. Works on any system. Links quickly to editing including RAW images. Rob Camano Island From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 12 21:05:58 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Shep Thorp via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 12 21:06:14 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Wednesday Walk at Billy Frank Jr Nisqually NWR for 6/12/2024 Message-ID: Hi Tweets, Approximately 25 of us had a very nice spring day at the Refuge with mostly sunny skies and temperatures in the 50's to 60's degrees Fahrenheit. There was a High 9'2" Tide at 9:51am, and we did our regular walk. Highlights included RED CROSSBILL in the Cottonwood Trees across the parking lot from the Education Center, a WESTERN WOOD-PEWEE nest in the Cottonwood above the green gate across the entrance road from the Ed Center, VIRGINIA RAIL in the Visitor Center Pond, YELLOW-HEADED BLACKBIRD in the freshwater marsh, five COMMON GOLDENEYE in the Nisqually River, and lots of baby birds to enjoy. We observed 75 species for the day. Bert spotted FOY BREWER'S BLACKBIRD in the Orchard bumping us to 155 species for the year. See eBird pasted below. Until next week when we meet again at 8am at the Visitor Center Overlook, happy birding. Shep -- Shep Thorp Browns Point 253-370-3742 Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually NWR, Thurston, Washington, US Jun 12, 2024 6:38 AM - 4:25 PM Protocol: Traveling 8.623 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Wednesday Walk. Mostly sunny with temperatures in the 50?s to 60?s degrees Fahrenheit. A High 9?2? Tide at 9:51am. Mammals seen Eastern Cotton-tailed Rabbit, Townsend?s Chipmunk, Columbian Black-tailed Deer, Harbor Seal. Other seen Bullfrog, Red-eared Slider, Pacific Tree Frog. 75 species (+2 other taxa) Canada Goose (moffitti/maxima) 45 Wood Duck 25 Blue-winged Teal 2 Flooded field south of Twin Barns. Cinnamon Teal 3 Flooded field south of Twin Barns. Gadwall 1 Mallard 50 Northern Pintail 3 Common Goldeneye 6 One observed in Shannon Slough. Five observed in Nisqually River. Previously reported. Photos. Hooded Merganser 20 Common Merganser 2 Nisqually River. Pied-billed Grebe 1 Freshwater marsh Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon) 1 Band-tailed Pigeon 12 Mourning Dove 3 Anna's Hummingbird 3 Nisqually Estuary Trail. Rufous Hummingbird 6 Virginia Rail 2 Sora 1 American Coot 1 Killdeer 1 Wilson's Snipe 1 Calling in freshwater marsh. Bonaparte's Gull 2 Ring-billed Gull 81 California Gull 80 Glaucous-winged Gull 1 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 1 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 10 Caspian Tern 75 Brandt's Cormorant 5 Channel marker. Double-crested Cormorant 70 Great Blue Heron 100 Osprey 1 Sharp-shinned Hawk 1 Bald Eagle 30 Nest with young across McAllister Creek from the Puget Sound Observation Tower. Belted Kingfisher 1 Red-breasted Sapsucker 3 Downy Woodpecker 1 Northern Flicker 1 Western Wood-Pewee 7 Willow Flycatcher 4 Western Flycatcher (Pacific-slope) 2 Warbling Vireo 5 Steller's Jay 2 American Crow 6 Black-capped Chickadee 6 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 2 Bank Swallow 12 Counted individually foraging over flooded fields and marsh. Tree Swallow 30 Violet-green Swallow 1 Purple Martin 2 Gourds at Luhr Beach. Northern Rough-winged Swallow 6 Barn Swallow 30 Nest in visitor center. Cliff Swallow 30 Nest in Visitor Center. Bushtit 6 Brown Creeper 4 Pacific Wren 1 Marsh Wren 15 Bewick's Wren 8 Nest under amphitheater of Ed Center. European Starling 500 Swainson's Thrush 33 American Robin 25 Cedar Waxwing 30 Purple Finch 8 Red Crossbill 14 Across entrance road from Ed Center. North section of Twin Barns Loop Trail. American Goldfinch 20 Savannah Sparrow 6 Song Sparrow 28 Spotted Towhee 3 Yellow-headed Blackbird 2 Bullock's Oriole 3 Red-winged Blackbird 50 Brown-headed Cowbird 25 Brewer's Blackbird 1 Seen by Bert in Orchard. Common Yellowthroat 10 Yellow Warbler 30 Wilson's Warbler 1 Black-headed Grosbeak 5 View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S181144798 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would expect that most egg predators would break and consume the eggs right then and there - and leave?the shells. ? So I'm guessing it might have been some misguided human. ? Are there people who collect and incubate bird nest eggs?? Would they know how to keep the chicks alive long enough to fledge?? Do some people cook and eat birds eggs? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Curious Jim in Skagit County -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 13 16:28:26 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carol Riddell via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 13 16:28:42 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Edmonds Roundup - May 2024 Message-ID: <5327E341-CF27-48FD-A273-B2980E69F3FE@gmail.com> Hi Tweeters, With May additions we have reached 167 species for our 2024 year list. In taxonomic order, the new species are: Blue-winged Teal (code 3), 1 at Edmonds marsh (ID photo), 5-15-24 Mourning Dove (code 3), 1 at Edmonds marsh (ID photo), 5-2-24 Vaux?s Swift (code 3), 2 at Edmonds marsh (field marks described), 5-29-24 Sora (code 5), 1 at Edmonds marsh (whinny heard), 5-21-24 Long-billed Dowitcher (code 3), 1 at Edmonds marsh, 5-5-24 Spotted Sandpiper (code 3), 3 at Edmonds marsh (ID photo), 5-27-24 Black-legged Kittiwake (code 4), 1 at waterfront (field marks described), 5-13-24 Heermann?s Gull (code 1), 1 at waterfront, 5-17-24 Olive-sided Flycatcher (code 3), 1 at Yost Park, 5-10-24 Western Wood-Pewee (code 2), 1 at Yost Park and 1 at Edmonds marsh, 5-11-24 California Scrub-Jay (code 4), 2 in Edmonds Lake Ballinger neighborhood, 5-17-24 Townsend?s Solitaire (code 4), Edmonds marsh (ID photo), 5-15-24 Swainson?s Thrush (code 2), 1 at Yost Park , 5-8-2024 Evening Grosbeak (code 3), 1 at a central Edmonds yard, 5-17-24 Yellow-headed Blackbird (code 3), 4 at Edmonds marsh (field marks described), 5-11-24 Nashville Warbler (code 4), 1 in Edmonds Lake Ballinger neighborhood (field marks described), 5-10-24 MacGillivray?s Warbler (code 4), 1 in Edmonds Lake Ballinger neighborhood (field marks described), 5-24-24 Common Yellowthroat (code 3), 1 at Edmonds marsh (song described), 5-15-24 Yellow Warbler (code 2), 1 at Yost Park, 5-2-2024 Black-headed Grosbeak (code 2), 1 at a north Edmonds yard, 5-7-24. Lazuli Bunting (code 5), 1 at Edmonds marsh (described), 5-11-24 Late Reports: Green Heron (code 3), Edmonds side of Lake Ballinger, 4-28-24; Cliff Swallow (code 3), Edmonds side of Lake Ballinger, 4-28-24; Brewer?s Blackbird (female) (code 3), Edmonds side of Lake Ballinger, 4-28-24. Declined species: There were more reports of Ring-billed Gulls, none described or photographed and reports of upwards of six birds at a time. This is an elusive Edmonds species, frequently confused with other gulls and rarely seen as more than a single bird. It does not go on the collective list without evidence of its presence. That continues to be lacking this year. We are also declining to add Bank Swallow (code 4), House Wren (code 4), or Red Crossbill (code 3) to the year list as none of the three species was described, recorded, or photographed. Species that are code 3 or rarer need some evidence to support the tick before we will add it to the collective list. Of interest: May 10th brought a migration fallout to a couple of homes in the Seaview neighborhood. There were about 30 Western Tanagers and four Black-headed Grosbeaks that lingered for much of the day. As always, I appreciate it when birders get in touch with me to share sightings, photos, or recordings. It helps us build our collective year list. If you would like a copy of our 2024 city checklist, with 281 species, please request it from checklistedmonds at gmail dot com. The 2024 checklist, with sightings through May, is in the bird information box at the Olympic Beach Visitor Station at the base of the public pier. Good birding, Carol Riddell Edmonds, WA Abundance codes: (1) Common, (2) Uncommon, (3) Harder to find, usually seen annually, (4) Rare, 5+ records, (5) Fewer than 5 records -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 13 18:11:15 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Hobbs via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 13 18:11:34 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park (Redmond, King Co.) 2024-06-13 Message-ID: Tweets - It was fabulous to be out today - Not too cold, not too hot, great light, no wind, and lots of singing and activity. And Marymoor chipped in with a couple of surprises. Highlights: Mourning Dove - One flew down the East Meadow Rufous Hummingbird - Several females seen; we've been seeing males most of the time previously this year Caspian Tern - Perhaps as many as four flying around the lake. First of Year (FOY) for the survey Great Blue Heron - Many young, fledged birds, doing their bests to fly and fish Pileated Woodpecker - A couple of sightings. June is the month with the fewest records of this species Western Flycatcher - One heard at the Rowing Club YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT - Singing male, SE of the East Meadow (FOY) MacGillivray's Warbler - Male singing and posing, south of Dog Central along the slough trail Initially, we barely heard the singing YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT while we walked the grass trail along the east edge of the East Meadow. We made our way, through the tall reed-canary grass and stinging nettles, east and south to where we were able to get distant views of the bird. It was singing frequently, and at least 4-5 times we saw it do display flights (which none of us had ever seen chats do before), where it would fly with its head up and its feet and tail hanging straight down, forming an inverted L shape. It would fly slowly with very fluttery wingbeats to a new bush or tree to sing from. This appears to be just the 5th record of YBCH for Marymoor, and the first record for June. The other dates were May 15, 2019; May 31, 2021; July 12-14, 2012; and August 25 and September 9, 2006. MacGillivray's Warbler turns up about two out of every three years. This is our 2nd sighting in the last 3 weeks, and today it gave more opportunity for views. Also notable today were a large number of Eastern Cottontail including fairly small young, and a dead vole on the path. Misses today included Common Merganser, Rock Pigeon, Black Swift, Green Heron, Belted Kingfisher, & Cliff Swallow. For the day, 58 species. - Michael Hobbs - BirdMarymoor@gmail.com - www.marymoor.org/birding.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 14 14:50:18 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 14 14:50:23 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Northern State Recreation Area - today In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20240614145018.Horde._vW7kE9dR9JByctRdYSHd0v@webmail.jimbetz.com> Hi, ? I walked a lot of the trails at the subject site this morning.? Starting out just after 7:30am and finishing just before 9:30.? There were a few RWB and robins at the start but the birding dropped off as the morning drew on.? I did get to see a -lot- of bunnies (no parents where?were the raptors?) and a couple of last year's fawns.? It was a nice morning weather wise. ? After that "wash out" I drove up to Concrete and back along the South Skagit Highway - just a few birds here and there (didn't stop). Again - no raptors ... zip zero.? *Sigh*. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Home in Burlington about 11 ... Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 14 17:48:22 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (normandlaura donelson via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 14 17:48:26 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Dipper Behavior Surprise Message-ID: Yesterday I birded the Oxbow Loop Trail, off Middle Fork Snoqualmie River Road east of North Bend. New trail for me, and I highly recommend it! I took the spur trail down to the riverside, and soon spotted a pair of Dippers. They landed on a large rock at midstream, then on a smaller nearby rock. There was some fluttering, then I saw the pair of them floating downstream, one atop the other! There was still much fluttering from the upper bird, as it tried to hold its position. This only lasted for a few seconds. I can only think they were copulating. Have any of you seen this behavior, or heard of it before? The closest I got in a quick online search of the literature was a mention of an observation in which copulation occurred while the female was standing submerged in the water. If this floating copulation behavior has been seen before (and realistically, I have to suppose it has), I couldn't find evidence of it. I should also note the alternative possibility that it could have been two males in Dipper combat, though nothing about the incident struck me that way. Interested in any observations you may have, Norm Donelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 14 19:33:14 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tim Brennan via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 14 19:33:19 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? Message-ID: Hey Tweets! I've been plugging away at the Jefferson and Kitsap County year lists, and most recently made a trip to the coast, adding 8 more birds to the year list. This included some Black Swifts over a meadow behind a gift shop on the way up to the Hoh, and a few stray pelicans. 169 for the year in Jefferson was a Common Nighthawk over a clear cut (clearcut? Clear-cut?) off of FR-3000 the other night. The goal is two hundred species for the year. My bet is that I'll come up a little short of that, but have a great time trying. One thing that has been eluding me is some open-minded conversations about seabirds, and maybe more specifically, I am trying to understand Cassin's Auklets. A couple things I do understand about them. They are usually seen very far out from shore. Yep. The pelagic trips from westport head out far enough, but not into Jefferson. Repositioning cruises pass through Jefferson waters, but they pass through a lot of other waters, to my understanding, and might be a more extended trip than I'd be keen on doing. So, I've researched a little, and come across an interesting fact. 50,000 or so Cassin's Auklets nest on Alexander Island, Jefferson County. And this is like... A mile off shore. They go out far. I understand this. ? But... Then they come back, yes? Is their return usually in full dark? Late in the day? It may be information that's hard to pull out, given that anyone with some sense, and a desire to see these birds would just hop on a pelagic trip, go a billion miles out, see them in any old county and call it a day. But if anyone knows a little more about how these birds work, I'm curious to hear more. Maybe they return via undersea tunnels, sporting transparent plumage? I've talked to one person who has kayaked to these islands (I'm not kayaking to these islands), and to a fishing charter that may be willing to do a trip out to some of these Jeffersonian Islands. I'm just slowly trying to extract teeth to determine. . . How late the boat might be able to be out there, and how late these birds return. This may be some really easy math, such as: "the birds come back after? dark" and "the boat has to be back before dark", but it's been a challenge to get these two numbers. I'm not dumb enough to even think about pursuing this if it's a purely nocturnal endeavor, but. . . I'm just dumb enough to get to the bottom of this. 50,000 birds a kayak's paddle away seems too interesting to not even ask! TLDR: How do Cassin's Auklets work? Auklets aside, this goes through Tufted Puffin habitat (yes, I know where to find them in Island and Clallam Counties, but thank you!) - I think it'd be a beautiful trip, regardless of any auklet goings-on. Feel free to reach out through my blog (jkcountybirding.blogspot.com) if a trip like that would have your interest at all! If it feels like it would be worthwhile, that boat would hold six passengers. Cheers, Tim Brennan Renton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 15 12:10:12 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Trileigh Tucker via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 15 12:10:27 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Dipper Behavior Surprise Message-ID: Hi Norm, This is a fascinating observation! If folks reply to you directly (without copy to Tweeters), I?d love to hear any insights you gain. Thanks much, Trileigh Trileigh Tucker, PhD Professor Emerita, Environmental Studies, Seattle University Pelly Valley, West Seattle Writer, Photographer, Fine Artist NaturalPresenceArts.com From: normandlaura donelson via Tweeters Date: Friday, June 14, 2024 at 5:48?PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Dipper Behavior Surprise Yesterday I birded the Oxbow Loop Trail, off Middle Fork Snoqualmie River Road east of North Bend. New trail for me, and I highly recommend it! I took the spur trail down to the riverside, and soon spotted a pair of Dippers. They landed on a large rock at midstream, then on a smaller nearby rock. There was some fluttering, then I saw the pair of them floating downstream, one atop the other! There was still much fluttering from the upper bird, as it tried to hold its position. This only lasted for a few seconds. I can only think they were copulating. Have any of you seen this behavior, or heard of it before? The closest I got in a quick online search of the literature was a mention of an observation in which copulation occurred while the female was standing submerged in the water. If this floating copulation behavior has been seen before (and realistically, I have to suppose it has), I couldn't find evidence of it. I should also note the alternative possibility that it could have been two males in Dipper combat, though nothing about the incident struck me that way. Interested in any observations you may have, Norm Donelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 15 12:30:17 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Preston Mui via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 15 12:30:32 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Dipper Behavior Surprise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to the Birds of the World entry, they copulate while floating: Copulation > > Occurs 2?4 wk after pair formation, usually on rocks in stream but > sometimes as birds float downstream (S. Bouricius and G. Evans, personal > communication). Continues for about 15 s; repeated 3?4 times within 2 min ( > 3 ). > Copulation accompanied by singing and loud *jik* Call Series (10 > ; > see Sounds and Vocal Behavior > : > Vocalizations > ). Two > reports of midair copulation: following neck-stretching ritual, female took > off in slow flight; aerial copulation ensued 5 m over water, then birds > fell together in free drop to water, continued copulation for 6?7 s while > floating downstream through riffles, then separated and preened (3 > ; > S. Bouricius, personal communication). > The "3" reference in the text is "Bakus, G. J. (1959a). Observations of the life history of the dipper in Montana. Auk 76:190-207." HTH! Preston Mui prestonmui@gmail.com http://prestonmui.github.io/ (425) 223-8450 On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 12:10?PM Trileigh Tucker via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi Norm, > > > > This is a fascinating observation! If folks reply to you directly (without > copy to Tweeters), I?d love to hear any insights you gain. > > > > Thanks much, > > Trileigh > > > > > > *Trileigh Tucker, PhD* > > *Professor Emerita, Environmental Studies, Seattle University* > > *Pelly Valley, West Seattle * > > *Writer, Photographer, Fine Artist* > > *NaturalPresenceArts.com * > > > > > > > > > > *From: *normandlaura donelson via Tweeters > *Date: *Friday, June 14, 2024 at 5:48?PM > *To: *tweeters@u.washington.edu > *Subject: *[Tweeters] Dipper Behavior Surprise > > Yesterday I birded the Oxbow Loop Trail, off Middle Fork Snoqualmie River > Road east of North Bend. New trail for me, and I highly recommend it! > > I took the spur trail down to the riverside, and soon spotted a pair of > Dippers. They landed on a large rock at midstream, then on a smaller > nearby rock. There was some fluttering, then I saw the pair of them > floating downstream, one atop the other! There was still much fluttering > from the upper bird, as it tried to hold its position. This only lasted > for a few seconds. > > > > I can only think they were copulating. Have any of you seen this > behavior, or heard of it before? The closest I got in a quick online > search of the literature was a mention of an observation in which > copulation occurred while the female was standing submerged in the water. > If this floating copulation behavior has been seen before (and > realistically, I have to suppose it has), I couldn't find evidence of it. > > > I should also note the alternative possibility that it could have been two > males in Dipper combat, though nothing about the incident struck me that > way. > > > Interested in any observations you may have, > > Norm Donelson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nancy "Images for the imagination." www.crowellphotography.com ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of John Russell via Tweeters Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 1:41:39 PM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] White Pelicans on Port Susan Friends on Camano tell me they are seeing White Pelicans for the first time on Port Susan but that White Pelicans have been on Whidbey. My guides say they are only on the Columbia in Washington. Is this northward movement new? John Russell Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 16 18:34:09 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (dlrymnd@aol.com via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 16 18:34:21 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] White Pelicans on Port Susan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <428666842.5582005.1718588049261@mail.yahoo.com> They show up at Deer Lagoon and Crockett Lake on Whidbey Island.? Sent from AOL on Android On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 1:59 PM, Nancy Crowell via Tweeters wrote: _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 16 20:44:05 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Bob Boekelheide via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 16 20:44:22 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? Message-ID: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> Hi, Tim and Tweeters, I spent a few years studying Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallon Islands, so I?ll try to answer your auklet questions. If conditions are favorable, Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallones mostly feed krill to their chicks. In less favorable years, they switch to eating a more diverse diet of larval fish and other pelagic crustaceans, along with occasional small squid. They feed mostly in loose groups at the edges of the continental shelf, so they might fly considerable distances from their coastal nesting colonies to feed during the day. Sometimes you see big feeding groups of them, likely if there is a patch of krill, but they?re usually more spread out. They fly back and forth to and from their colony every day, ideally not too far, but regularly 20-40 miles to feeding areas, often more. A Cassin?s Auklet might travel 40-45 mph in fast flight depending on winds, so 20-40 miles doesn?t seem too far for them. In poor feeding years they might have to travel much further to find food, or return smaller meal loads to their chicks, or else give up. They are totally nocturnal on land, other than of course during the nesting season when one adult stays in their burrow all day incubating their egg or brooding their young chick. They leave their chick alone in the burrow at a fairly young age, so both parents can return food to the chick. Their flights ashore to nesting islands occur well after dark, as they are sensitive to light levels even at night. Because of predation, they are slow to come onshore during moon-lit nights, but on dark moonless nights they come ashore right away. Sometimes they all come ashore in a giant wave, and sometimes they trickle in over a long period. They seem to be able to locate things fairly well even on dark nights, so they must have excellent night vision. Most departures in the morning occur well before dawn, but there are sometimes late departures that may end up in the belly of a gull or a Peregrine Falcon. When flying ashore, they usually fly in very quickly, plop down, get their bearings, and quickly make their way to their burrows. They often collide with things on their way, including people, but almost always they quickly shake it off and keep going. They do everything they can to avoid predation by gulls, which nest nearby and lurk in the auklet colonies at night. The auklets dig their own burrows or else nest in rock piles or rock cavities. Most burrows are about 2 to 4 ft deep, so once inside predators hopefully can?t get to them. Breeding pairs are very faithful to their burrows between years. Cassin?s Auklet adults have a nifty sublingual (under-tongue) pouch they use to carry prey to their chicks. The consistency of the goo they carry in their sub-lingual pouch is kind of like shrimp cocktail, which they lap out to the chicks when they reach the burrows. Meal loads with krill are mostly pink because of their photophores, whereas meal loads with fish are mostly gray fish chyme. We randomly captured auklets flying in with pouches full of food and sampled their pouch contents. It?s quite amazing how large their meal loads can be relative to the size of the bird ? a 180-200 g adult sometimes carried a 40-50 g meal load, or about 1/4 of their body weight. They can cram a lot of krill and larval fish into their bulging sub-lingual pouch. Unfortunately many Cassin?s Auklet populations have been shrinking, between marine heat waves, El Ninos, predation, and who knows what. The 50,000 auklets estimated nesting on Alexander Island by Speich and Wahl in the 1970s might be much smaller now. But realistically, how do you estimate the numbers of a small seabird that only comes ashore at night on remote islands and then nests out-of-sight in underground burrows? It?s a shot in the dark ? ha ha! The best thing about Cassin?s Auklets is their singing ? imagine thousands of them chirping away on a windswept island in the middle of the night. They scream their three-note songs while sitting in their burrows, repeating things like ?LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT? and ?IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT,? over and over. Totally wild! Hope this helps, Bob Boekelheide Sequim From: Tim Brennan via Tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? Date: June 14, 2024 at 7:33:14?PM PDT To: "tweeters@u.washington.edu " > Reply-To: Tim Brennan > Hey Tweets! I've been plugging away at the Jefferson and Kitsap County year lists, and most recently made a trip to the coast, adding 8 more birds to the year list. This included some Black Swifts over a meadow behind a gift shop on the way up to the Hoh, and a few stray pelicans. 169 for the year in Jefferson was a Common Nighthawk over a clear cut (clearcut? Clear-cut?) off of FR-3000 the other night. The goal is two hundred species for the year. My bet is that I'll come up a little short of that, but have a great time trying. One thing that has been eluding me is some open-minded conversations about seabirds, and maybe more specifically, I am trying to understand Cassin's Auklets. A couple things I do understand about them. They are usually seen very far out from shore. Yep. The pelagic trips from westport head out far enough, but not into Jefferson. Repositioning cruises pass through Jefferson waters, but they pass through a lot of other waters, to my understanding, and might be a more extended trip than I'd be keen on doing. So, I've researched a little, and come across an interesting fact. 50,000 or so Cassin's Auklets nest on Alexander Island, Jefferson County. And this is like... A mile off shore. They go out far. I understand this. ? But... Then they come back, yes? Is their return usually in full dark? Late in the day? It may be information that's hard to pull out, given that anyone with some sense, and a desire to see these birds would just hop on a pelagic trip, go a billion miles out, see them in any old county and call it a day. But if anyone knows a little more about how these birds work, I'm curious to hear more. Maybe they return via undersea tunnels, sporting transparent plumage? I've talked to one person who has kayaked to these islands (I'm not kayaking to these islands), and to a fishing charter that may be willing to do a trip out to some of these Jeffersonian Islands. I'm just slowly trying to extract teeth to determine. . . How late the boat might be able to be out there, and how late these birds return. This may be some really easy math, such as: "the birds come back after? dark" and "the boat has to be back before dark", but it's been a challenge to get these two numbers. I'm not dumb enough to even think about pursuing this if it's a purely nocturnal endeavor, but. . . I'm just dumb enough to get to the bottom of this. 50,000 birds a kayak's paddle away seems too interesting to not even ask! TLDR: How do Cassin's Auklets work? Auklets aside, this goes through Tufted Puffin habitat (yes, I know where to find them in Island and Clallam Counties, but thank you!) - I think it'd be a beautiful trip, regardless of any auklet goings-on. Feel free to reach out through my blog (jkcountybirding.blogspot.com ) if a trip like that would have your interest at all! If it feels like it would be worthwhile, that boat would hold six passengers. Cheers, Tim Brennan Renton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 16 20:59:10 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Bruce LaBar via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 16 20:59:40 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? In-Reply-To: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> References: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 10:20:57 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 10:21:02 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] An air-filled sac within birds' lungs is believed to modify mechanics of flight while soaring Message-ID: <719209CB-3751-40CC-93F8-66BB5BD9D720@gmail.com> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-air-sac-birds-lungs-believed.html Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 10:36:00 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tim Brennan via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 10:36:06 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? In-Reply-To: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> References: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> Message-ID: Thank you so much, Bob! That description of the... dedication to their flight path, helps make sense of the only time I've ever seen one. On a cruise to Alaska, many, many years ago, I got up early and found one skittering around on the deck of the ship, quite confused. Others reached out too, sharing some details from Cornell's birds of the world site. I primarily bird inside the state, so I have balked at subscribing... But the information was pretty fascinating, making that paywall seem less significant now. As you noted, they are pretty nocturnal, but it sounded like their departure times in the morning are a little brighter (civil twilight) than their all-back-to-bed time is a little darker (nautical twilight). The exact picture in my head, the one where I watch from a boat as 50,000 little black birds come back to these islands has been adjusted a little bit, but I'd still love to pay these islands a visit. I do have one response so far, in regards to a Jefferson mini-pelagic out of La Push. Sounds like Tufted Puffins and occasional auklet flybys might be on the menu for that. Unrelated, but I made a Father's Day trip out with my son and daughter to Jefferson. The highlight was a Red-eyed Vireo up the driveway at 922 Uncas Road. This is a continuing bird, and the driveway is part of the PNT, a trail system that I'd honestly not even heard of! The homeowner came out to help me find the vireo, and told me all about the trail. Good times. ? Happy birding, Tim Brennan Renton [https://www.pnt.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/PNT-Pasayten-Wilderness_Tyler-Yates-1024x679.jpg] Pacific Northwest Trail Association - Explore and Protect the PNT Get the information you need to explore and protect the Pacific Northwest Trail with free maps, trip planning tools, and the latest information. www.pnt.org ________________________________ From: Bob Boekelheide Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2024 8:44 PM To: tsbrennan@hotmail.com Cc: Tweeters Tweeters Subject: Re: How do Cassin's Auklets work? Hi, Tim and Tweeters, I spent a few years studying Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallon Islands, so I?ll try to answer your auklet questions. If conditions are favorable, Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallones mostly feed krill to their chicks. In less favorable years, they switch to eating a more diverse diet of larval fish and other pelagic crustaceans, along with occasional small squid. They feed mostly in loose groups at the edges of the continental shelf, so they might fly considerable distances from their coastal nesting colonies to feed during the day. Sometimes you see big feeding groups of them, likely if there is a patch of krill, but they?re usually more spread out. They fly back and forth to and from their colony every day, ideally not too far, but regularly 20-40 miles to feeding areas, often more. A Cassin?s Auklet might travel 40-45 mph in fast flight depending on winds, so 20-40 miles doesn?t seem too far for them. In poor feeding years they might have to travel much further to find food, or return smaller meal loads to their chicks, or else give up. They are totally nocturnal on land, other than of course during the nesting season when one adult stays in their burrow all day incubating their egg or brooding their young chick. They leave their chick alone in the burrow at a fairly young age, so both parents can return food to the chick. Their flights ashore to nesting islands occur well after dark, as they are sensitive to light levels even at night. Because of predation, they are slow to come onshore during moon-lit nights, but on dark moonless nights they come ashore right away. Sometimes they all come ashore in a giant wave, and sometimes they trickle in over a long period. They seem to be able to locate things fairly well even on dark nights, so they must have excellent night vision. Most departures in the morning occur well before dawn, but there are sometimes late departures that may end up in the belly of a gull or a Peregrine Falcon. When flying ashore, they usually fly in very quickly, plop down, get their bearings, and quickly make their way to their burrows. They often collide with things on their way, including people, but almost always they quickly shake it off and keep going. They do everything they can to avoid predation by gulls, which nest nearby and lurk in the auklet colonies at night. The auklets dig their own burrows or else nest in rock piles or rock cavities. Most burrows are about 2 to 4 ft deep, so once inside predators hopefully can?t get to them. Breeding pairs are very faithful to their burrows between years. Cassin?s Auklet adults have a nifty sublingual (under-tongue) pouch they use to carry prey to their chicks. The consistency of the goo they carry in their sub-lingual pouch is kind of like shrimp cocktail, which they lap out to the chicks when they reach the burrows. Meal loads with krill are mostly pink because of their photophores, whereas meal loads with fish are mostly gray fish chyme. We randomly captured auklets flying in with pouches full of food and sampled their pouch contents. It?s quite amazing how large their meal loads can be relative to the size of the bird ? a 180-200 g adult sometimes carried a 40-50 g meal load, or about 1/4 of their body weight. They can cram a lot of krill and larval fish into their bulging sub-lingual pouch. Unfortunately many Cassin?s Auklet populations have been shrinking, between marine heat waves, El Ninos, predation, and who knows what. The 50,000 auklets estimated nesting on Alexander Island by Speich and Wahl in the 1970s might be much smaller now. But realistically, how do you estimate the numbers of a small seabird that only comes ashore at night on remote islands and then nests out-of-sight in underground burrows? It?s a shot in the dark ? ha ha! The best thing about Cassin?s Auklets is their singing ? imagine thousands of them chirping away on a windswept island in the middle of the night. They scream their three-note songs while sitting in their burrows, repeating things like ?LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT? and ?IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT,? over and over. Totally wild! Hope this helps, Bob Boekelheide Sequim From: Tim Brennan via Tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? Date: June 14, 2024 at 7:33:14?PM PDT To: "tweeters@u.washington.edu" > Reply-To: Tim Brennan > Hey Tweets! I've been plugging away at the Jefferson and Kitsap County year lists, and most recently made a trip to the coast, adding 8 more birds to the year list. This included some Black Swifts over a meadow behind a gift shop on the way up to the Hoh, and a few stray pelicans. 169 for the year in Jefferson was a Common Nighthawk over a clear cut (clearcut? Clear-cut?) off of FR-3000 the other night. The goal is two hundred species for the year. My bet is that I'll come up a little short of that, but have a great time trying. One thing that has been eluding me is some open-minded conversations about seabirds, and maybe more specifically, I am trying to understand Cassin's Auklets. A couple things I do understand about them. They are usually seen very far out from shore. Yep. The pelagic trips from westport head out far enough, but not into Jefferson. Repositioning cruises pass through Jefferson waters, but they pass through a lot of other waters, to my understanding, and might be a more extended trip than I'd be keen on doing. So, I've researched a little, and come across an interesting fact. 50,000 or so Cassin's Auklets nest on Alexander Island, Jefferson County. And this is like... A mile off shore. They go out far. I understand this. ? But... Then they come back, yes? Is their return usually in full dark? Late in the day? It may be information that's hard to pull out, given that anyone with some sense, and a desire to see these birds would just hop on a pelagic trip, go a billion miles out, see them in any old county and call it a day. But if anyone knows a little more about how these birds work, I'm curious to hear more. Maybe they return via undersea tunnels, sporting transparent plumage? I've talked to one person who has kayaked to these islands (I'm not kayaking to these islands), and to a fishing charter that may be willing to do a trip out to some of these Jeffersonian Islands. I'm just slowly trying to extract teeth to determine. . . How late the boat might be able to be out there, and how late these birds return. This may be some really easy math, such as: "the birds come back after? dark" and "the boat has to be back before dark", but it's been a challenge to get these two numbers. I'm not dumb enough to even think about pursuing this if it's a purely nocturnal endeavor, but. . . I'm just dumb enough to get to the bottom of this. 50,000 birds a kayak's paddle away seems too interesting to not even ask! TLDR: How do Cassin's Auklets work? Auklets aside, this goes through Tufted Puffin habitat (yes, I know where to find them in Island and Clallam Counties, but thank you!) - I think it'd be a beautiful trip, regardless of any auklet goings-on. Feel free to reach out through my blog (jkcountybirding.blogspot.com) if a trip like that would have your interest at all! If it feels like it would be worthwhile, that boat would hold six passengers. 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The weather forecast looks to be 62-82 degrees (real-feel) for the walk, and NO rain. Wow! This is quite the change from earlier in the week. May all your birds be identified, Denis Denis DeSilvis Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 11:04:15 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Stephen Elston via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 11:04:30 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? In-Reply-To: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> References: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> Message-ID: Very interesting, Bob. Thank you for writing down all this information. I am wondering if anyone has tried to do a population survey accounstically. If these birds are consistent singers, it might be the case that one can perform a population survey by analysis of sound recorded at the nesting sites. Nowadays, there are sophisticated signal processing algorithms that can separate a great many sources. Regards to all, Steve On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 8:44?PM Bob Boekelheide via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi, Tim and Tweeters, > > I spent a few years studying Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallon Islands, so > I?ll try to answer your auklet questions. > > If conditions are favorable, Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallones mostly > feed krill to their chicks. In less favorable years, they switch to eating > a more diverse diet of larval fish and other pelagic crustaceans, along > with occasional small squid. They feed mostly in loose groups at the edges > of the continental shelf, so they might fly considerable distances from > their coastal nesting colonies to feed during the day. Sometimes you see > big feeding groups of them, likely if there is a patch of krill, but > they?re usually more spread out. > > They fly back and forth to and from their colony every day, ideally not > too far, but regularly 20-40 miles to feeding areas, often more. A > Cassin?s Auklet might travel 40-45 mph in fast flight depending on winds, > so 20-40 miles doesn?t seem too far for them. In poor feeding years they > might have to travel much further to find food, or return smaller meal > loads to their chicks, or else give up. > > They are totally nocturnal on land, other than of course during the > nesting season when one adult stays in their burrow all day incubating > their egg or brooding their young chick. They leave their chick alone in > the burrow at a fairly young age, so both parents can return food to the > chick. Their flights ashore to nesting islands occur well after dark, as > they are sensitive to light levels even at night. Because of predation, > they are slow to come onshore during moon-lit nights, but on dark moonless > nights they come ashore right away. Sometimes they all come ashore in a > giant wave, and sometimes they trickle in over a long period. They seem to > be able to locate things fairly well even on dark nights, so they must have > excellent night vision. Most departures in the morning occur well before > dawn, but there are sometimes late departures that may end up in the belly > of a gull or a Peregrine Falcon. > > When flying ashore, they usually fly in very quickly, plop down, get their > bearings, and quickly make their way to their burrows. They often collide > with things on their way, including people, but almost always they quickly > shake it off and keep going. They do everything they can to avoid predation > by gulls, which nest nearby and lurk in the auklet colonies at night. The > auklets dig their own burrows or else nest in rock piles or rock cavities. > Most burrows are about 2 to 4 ft deep, so once inside predators hopefully > can?t get to them. Breeding pairs are very faithful to their burrows > between years. > > Cassin?s Auklet adults have a nifty sublingual (under-tongue) pouch they > use to carry prey to their chicks. The consistency of the goo they carry > in their sub-lingual pouch is kind of like shrimp cocktail, which they lap > out to the chicks when they reach the burrows. Meal loads with krill are > mostly pink because of their photophores, whereas meal loads with fish are > mostly gray fish chyme. We randomly captured auklets flying in with > pouches full of food and sampled their pouch contents. It?s quite amazing > how large their meal loads can be relative to the size of the bird ? a > 180-200 g adult sometimes carried a 40-50 g meal load, or about 1/4 of > their body weight. They can cram a lot of krill and larval fish into their > bulging sub-lingual pouch. > > Unfortunately many Cassin?s Auklet populations have been shrinking, > between marine heat waves, El Ninos, predation, and who knows what. The > 50,000 auklets estimated nesting on Alexander Island by Speich and Wahl in > the 1970s might be much smaller now. But realistically, how do you > estimate the numbers of a small seabird that only comes ashore at night on > remote islands and then nests out-of-sight in underground burrows? It?s a > shot in the dark ? ha ha! > > The best thing about Cassin?s Auklets is their singing ? imagine thousands > of them chirping away on a windswept island in the middle of the night. > They scream their three-note songs while sitting in their burrows, > repeating things like ?LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT? and ?IT?S ALL > RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT,? over and over. Totally wild! > > Hope this helps, > Bob Boekelheide > Sequim > > *From: *Tim Brennan via Tweeters > *Subject: **[Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work?* > *Date: *June 14, 2024 at 7:33:14?PM PDT > *To: *"tweeters@u.washington.edu" > *Reply-To: *Tim Brennan > > Hey Tweets! > > I've been plugging away at the Jefferson and Kitsap County year lists, and > most recently made a trip to the coast, adding 8 more birds to the year > list. This included some Black Swifts over a meadow behind a gift shop on > the way up to the Hoh, and a few stray pelicans. 169 for the year in > Jefferson was a Common Nighthawk over a clear cut (clearcut? Clear-cut?) > off of FR-3000 the other night. > > The goal is two hundred species for the year. My bet is that I'll come up > a little short of that, but have a great time trying. One thing that has > been eluding me is some open-minded conversations about seabirds, and maybe > more specifically, I am trying to understand Cassin's Auklets. A couple > things I do understand about them. They are usually seen very far out from > shore. Yep. The pelagic trips from westport head out far enough, but not > into Jefferson. Repositioning cruises pass through Jefferson waters, but > they pass through a lot of other waters, to my understanding, and might be > a more extended trip than I'd be keen on doing. > > So, I've researched a little, and come across an interesting fact. 50,000 > or so Cassin's Auklets nest on Alexander Island, Jefferson County. And this > is like... A mile off shore. They go out far. I understand this. ? But... > Then they come back, yes? Is their return usually in full dark? Late in the > day? It may be information that's hard to pull out, given that anyone with > some sense, and a desire to see these birds would just hop on a pelagic > trip, go a billion miles out, see them in any old county and call it a day. > But if anyone knows a little more about how these birds work, I'm curious > to hear more. Maybe they return via undersea tunnels, sporting transparent > plumage? > > I've talked to one person who has kayaked to these islands (I'm not > kayaking to these islands), and to a fishing charter that may be willing to > do a trip out to some of these Jeffersonian Islands. I'm just slowly trying > to extract teeth to determine. . . How late the boat might be able to be > out there, and how late these birds return. This may be some really easy > math, such as: "the birds come back *after*? dark" and "the boat has to > be back before dark", but it's been a challenge to get these two numbers. > I'm not dumb enough to even think about pursuing this if it's a purely > nocturnal endeavor, but. . . I'm just dumb enough to get to the bottom of > this. 50,000 birds a kayak's paddle away seems too interesting to not even > ask! > > TLDR: How do Cassin's Auklets work? > > Auklets aside, this goes through Tufted Puffin habitat (yes, I know where > to find them in Island and Clallam Counties, but thank you!) - I think it'd > be a beautiful trip, regardless of any auklet goings-on. Feel free to reach > out through my blog (jkcountybirding.blogspot.com) if a trip like that > would have your interest at all! If it feels like it would be worthwhile, > that boat would hold six passengers. > > Cheers, > > Tim Brennan > Renton > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 12:10:35 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Karen Wosilait via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 12:10:49 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Male_Cassin=E2=80=99s_Finch_begging?= Message-ID: My husband and I drove Umptanum Road from Ellensburg to Wenas campground yesterday. One treat in the later section was flocks of Cassin?s Finches. I saw a male with its beautiful red top clearly begging, wings outstretched and quivering, toward a female type bird. Now that we?re back in cell range, I checked Birds of the World, and juveniles do look like adult females as I had suspected. I?ve never seen an adult beg before. Does anyone have any insights? Karen Wosilait (she/her) Seattle, WA karen.w.mobile@gmail.com From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 12:17:14 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Karen Wosilait via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 12:17:30 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Does the term fledge apply to shorebirds? Message-ID: <1730A645-45B1-48F7-B673-51F282EC6944@gmail.com> I was at Soap Lake yesterday hoping to see the Willet that has been there. Instead I saw an American Avocet with 3 young, still fuzzy with shorter stubbier bills (relative to an adult). I thought I?d add a breeding code to my eBird checklist. ?Recently fledged? didn?t seem right since they couldn?t fly. Would ?recently hatched? be the right term for a fluffy shorebird that can?t yet fly? Karen Wosilait (she/her) Seattle, WA karen.w.mobile@gmail.com From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 12:25:39 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jay E via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 12:25:54 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Question for Shep: Wednesday Walk at Billy Frank Jr Nisqually NWR Message-ID: Hi Shep - My wife and I want to take the walk with you on Wednesday, 7/17. I am checking to see if you are planning to lead that walk. Thanks - Jay Eisenberg Bellingham, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 13:26:48 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Bob Boekelheide via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 13:27:07 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? In-Reply-To: References: <279FC8A0-DA32-4F93-A0CC-04F5F4462DB4@olympus.net> Message-ID: <03311D6E-89D5-4B2E-A1AE-BB5A606CF92F@olympus.net> Hi, Steve, I think accoustic surveys have been used in some burrowing seabird colonies, like with shearwaters, with uncertain success. I suspect accoustic surveys to estimate an entire Cassin?s Auklet colony size would be fraught with problems. Colonies are spread out over big areas, with nesting densities varying a lot throughout the colony. Auklets may vocalize more in the pre-season, then get quieter after they lay eggs. Their vocalizations vary within and between nights. Weather doesn?t cooperate - it?s often windy. Somebody would need to ground-truth at least some of the recordings. Many of Washington's offshore islands (Alexander Island, for example) are difficult if not impossible to land on without creating havoc for birds and endangering lives. One method used on accessible islands is to estimate the total number of burrows in a colony, then determine what proportion of burrows are occupied by nesting birds (using endoscopes to peek into burrows), then multiplying the number of burrows by the occupancy rate to estimate the size of the breeding population. That is how WDFW estimated the number of Rhino Auklets on Protection Island. There?s more to a population than just breeding birds in burrows. There are also young prebreeders, floaters, and unpaired adults that may or may not get counted, depending on the method. The accoustic survey method might overcount these birds if they're really vocal, whereas the burrow occupancy method may not count them at all, since they?re gone from the colony during the day. I?ll gladly leave the population estimates to the professionals? Bob > On Jun 17, 2024, at 11:04?AM, Stephen Elston wrote: > > Very interesting, Bob. Thank you for writing down all this information. > > I am wondering if anyone has tried to do a population survey accounstically. If these birds are consistent singers, it might be the case that one can perform a population survey by analysis of sound recorded at the nesting sites. Nowadays, there are sophisticated signal processing algorithms that can separate a great many sources. > > Regards to all, Steve > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2024 at 8:44?PM Bob Boekelheide via Tweeters > wrote: >> Hi, Tim and Tweeters, >> >> I spent a few years studying Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallon Islands, so I?ll try to answer your auklet questions. >> >> If conditions are favorable, Cassin?s Auklets at the Farallones mostly feed krill to their chicks. In less favorable years, they switch to eating a more diverse diet of larval fish and other pelagic crustaceans, along with occasional small squid. They feed mostly in loose groups at the edges of the continental shelf, so they might fly considerable distances from their coastal nesting colonies to feed during the day. Sometimes you see big feeding groups of them, likely if there is a patch of krill, but they?re usually more spread out. >> >> They fly back and forth to and from their colony every day, ideally not too far, but regularly 20-40 miles to feeding areas, often more. A Cassin?s Auklet might travel 40-45 mph in fast flight depending on winds, so 20-40 miles doesn?t seem too far for them. In poor feeding years they might have to travel much further to find food, or return smaller meal loads to their chicks, or else give up. >> >> They are totally nocturnal on land, other than of course during the nesting season when one adult stays in their burrow all day incubating their egg or brooding their young chick. They leave their chick alone in the burrow at a fairly young age, so both parents can return food to the chick. Their flights ashore to nesting islands occur well after dark, as they are sensitive to light levels even at night. Because of predation, they are slow to come onshore during moon-lit nights, but on dark moonless nights they come ashore right away. Sometimes they all come ashore in a giant wave, and sometimes they trickle in over a long period. They seem to be able to locate things fairly well even on dark nights, so they must have excellent night vision. Most departures in the morning occur well before dawn, but there are sometimes late departures that may end up in the belly of a gull or a Peregrine Falcon. >> >> When flying ashore, they usually fly in very quickly, plop down, get their bearings, and quickly make their way to their burrows. They often collide with things on their way, including people, but almost always they quickly shake it off and keep going. They do everything they can to avoid predation by gulls, which nest nearby and lurk in the auklet colonies at night. The auklets dig their own burrows or else nest in rock piles or rock cavities. Most burrows are about 2 to 4 ft deep, so once inside predators hopefully can?t get to them. Breeding pairs are very faithful to their burrows between years. >> >> Cassin?s Auklet adults have a nifty sublingual (under-tongue) pouch they use to carry prey to their chicks. The consistency of the goo they carry in their sub-lingual pouch is kind of like shrimp cocktail, which they lap out to the chicks when they reach the burrows. Meal loads with krill are mostly pink because of their photophores, whereas meal loads with fish are mostly gray fish chyme. We randomly captured auklets flying in with pouches full of food and sampled their pouch contents. It?s quite amazing how large their meal loads can be relative to the size of the bird ? a 180-200 g adult sometimes carried a 40-50 g meal load, or about 1/4 of their body weight. They can cram a lot of krill and larval fish into their bulging sub-lingual pouch. >> >> Unfortunately many Cassin?s Auklet populations have been shrinking, between marine heat waves, El Ninos, predation, and who knows what. The 50,000 auklets estimated nesting on Alexander Island by Speich and Wahl in the 1970s might be much smaller now. But realistically, how do you estimate the numbers of a small seabird that only comes ashore at night on remote islands and then nests out-of-sight in underground burrows? It?s a shot in the dark ? ha ha! >> >> The best thing about Cassin?s Auklets is their singing ? imagine thousands of them chirping away on a windswept island in the middle of the night. They scream their three-note songs while sitting in their burrows, repeating things like ?LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT, LET ME OUT? and ?IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT, IT?S ALL RIGHT,? over and over. Totally wild! >> >> Hope this helps, >> Bob Boekelheide >> Sequim >> >> From: Tim Brennan via Tweeters > >> Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? >> Date: June 14, 2024 at 7:33:14?PM PDT >> To: "tweeters@u.washington.edu " > >> Reply-To: Tim Brennan > >> >> Hey Tweets! >> >> I've been plugging away at the Jefferson and Kitsap County year lists, and most recently made a trip to the coast, adding 8 more birds to the year list. This included some Black Swifts over a meadow behind a gift shop on the way up to the Hoh, and a few stray pelicans. 169 for the year in Jefferson was a Common Nighthawk over a clear cut (clearcut? Clear-cut?) off of FR-3000 the other night. >> >> The goal is two hundred species for the year. My bet is that I'll come up a little short of that, but have a great time trying. One thing that has been eluding me is some open-minded conversations about seabirds, and maybe more specifically, I am trying to understand Cassin's Auklets. A couple things I do understand about them. They are usually seen very far out from shore. Yep. The pelagic trips from westport head out far enough, but not into Jefferson. Repositioning cruises pass through Jefferson waters, but they pass through a lot of other waters, to my understanding, and might be a more extended trip than I'd be keen on doing. >> >> So, I've researched a little, and come across an interesting fact. 50,000 or so Cassin's Auklets nest on Alexander Island, Jefferson County. And this is like... A mile off shore. They go out far. I understand this. ? But... Then they come back, yes? Is their return usually in full dark? Late in the day? It may be information that's hard to pull out, given that anyone with some sense, and a desire to see these birds would just hop on a pelagic trip, go a billion miles out, see them in any old county and call it a day. But if anyone knows a little more about how these birds work, I'm curious to hear more. Maybe they return via undersea tunnels, sporting transparent plumage? >> >> I've talked to one person who has kayaked to these islands (I'm not kayaking to these islands), and to a fishing charter that may be willing to do a trip out to some of these Jeffersonian Islands. I'm just slowly trying to extract teeth to determine. . . How late the boat might be able to be out there, and how late these birds return. This may be some really easy math, such as: "the birds come back after? dark" and "the boat has to be back before dark", but it's been a challenge to get these two numbers. I'm not dumb enough to even think about pursuing this if it's a purely nocturnal endeavor, but. . . I'm just dumb enough to get to the bottom of this. 50,000 birds a kayak's paddle away seems too interesting to not even ask! >> >> TLDR: How do Cassin's Auklets work? >> >> Auklets aside, this goes through Tufted Puffin habitat (yes, I know where to find them in Island and Clallam Counties, but thank you!) - I think it'd be a beautiful trip, regardless of any auklet goings-on. Feel free to reach out through my blog (jkcountybirding.blogspot.com ) if a trip like that would have your interest at all! If it feels like it would be worthwhile, that boat would hold six passengers. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Tim Brennan >> Renton >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 14:06:51 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan McDougall-Treacy via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 14:07:40 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Does the term fledge apply to shorebirds? In-Reply-To: <1730A645-45B1-48F7-B673-51F282EC6944@gmail.com> References: <1730A645-45B1-48F7-B673-51F282EC6944@gmail.com> Message-ID: Karen, I think of fledging as ready for departing the nest and independent movement (applied to shorebirds, waterfowl, alcids?) . I'd go with the FL code. Dan MT, the improved hombre On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 12:17?PM Karen Wosilait via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I was at Soap Lake yesterday hoping to see the Willet that has been there. > Instead I saw an American Avocet with 3 young, still fuzzy with shorter > stubbier bills (relative to an adult). > > I thought I?d add a breeding code to my eBird checklist. ?Recently > fledged? didn?t seem right since they couldn?t fly. Would ?recently > hatched? be the right term for a fluffy shorebird that can?t yet fly? > Karen Wosilait (she/her) > Seattle, WA > karen.w.mobile@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 14:57:48 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Peggy Mundy via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 14:57:58 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Does the term fledge apply to shorebirds? In-Reply-To: References: <1730A645-45B1-48F7-B673-51F282EC6944@gmail.com> Message-ID: <297120405.6986439.1718661468934@mail.yahoo.com> This is copied from the eBird FAQs: If I see baby grouse, baby geese, or baby shorebirds that cannot yet fly, what code should I use? Use "FL". They are fledged in the sense that they have left the nest, which is typical for the young of ?precocial? species. "FL" should be used until young birds become independent of their parents, since it is safe to assume that they are near the nesting site until that point. peggy_busby@yahoo.com@scenebypeggy on Instagram On Monday, June 17, 2024 at 02:08:47 p.m. PDT, Dan McDougall-Treacy via Tweeters wrote: Karen, I think of fledging as ready for departing the nest and independent movement (applied to shorebirds, waterfowl, alcids?) . I'd go with the FL code. Dan MT, the improved hombre On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 12:17?PM Karen Wosilait via Tweeters wrote: I was at Soap Lake yesterday hoping to see the Willet that has been there. Instead I saw an American Avocet with 3 young, still fuzzy with shorter stubbier bills (relative to an adult). I thought I?d add a breeding code to my eBird checklist. ?Recently fledged? didn?t seem right since they couldn?t fly. Would ?recently hatched? be the right term for a fluffy shorebird that can?t yet fly?? Karen Wosilait (she/her) Seattle, WA karen.w.mobile@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 19:41:22 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Robert O'Brien via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 19:41:37 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Male_Cassin=E2=80=99s_Finch_begging?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No insights on this amazing sighting. But, memories........ Decades ago I submitted a quiz bird to Kenn Kaufman along with two other species for his Birders Magazine monthly quiz. This quiz bird was an 'apparent' female Cassin's, bolding singing from a tree top.. That created quite a controversy.for the ID. As Karen says, first year male Cassin's look like females.but that does not prevent them from getting into it. But males begging? Hopefully someone will have an idea. Bob OBrien Portland On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 12:20?PM Karen Wosilait via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > My husband and I drove Umptanum Road from Ellensburg to Wenas campground > yesterday. One treat in the later section was flocks of Cassin?s Finches. > > I saw a male with its beautiful red top clearly begging, wings > outstretched and quivering, toward a female type bird. > > Now that we?re back in cell range, I checked Birds of the World, and > juveniles do look like adult females as I had suspected. I?ve never seen an > adult beg before. Does anyone have any insights? > > Karen Wosilait (she/her) > Seattle, WA > karen.w.mobile@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 19:46:16 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Robert O'Brien via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 19:46:31 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Apologies in advance for the Biggest Loser Message-ID: While on the subjects of John Cassin (Cassin's Finch), he apparently is tied with Alexander Wilson for losing the most birds named for him. Fide the upcoming removal of all human names from North America birds by the AOS. Both have (had?) 5 Bob OBrien Portland OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven?t dug more into this; would just like to stimulate interest in the concept. Dan McDougall-Treacy From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 17 22:03:14 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan McDougall-Treacy via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 17 22:03:28 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Apologies in advance for the Biggest Loser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48142A1B-3B82-4C6E-A9D6-55797D27FE91@gmail.com> Was pulling for Edgar Common Dan MT > On Jun 17, 2024, at 7:46?PM, Robert O'Brien via Tweeters wrote: > > ? > While on the subjects of John Cassin (Cassin's Finch), he apparently is tied with Alexander Wilson for losing the most birds named for him. Fide the upcoming removal of all human names from North America birds by the AOS. > Both have (had?) 5 > Bob OBrien Portland OR > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 18 02:37:56 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 18 02:38:02 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=98It_can_feel_like_a_detective_story?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99=3A_birders_asked_to_help_find_126_=E2=80=98lost?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99_bird_species_=7C_Birds_=7C_The_Guardian?= Message-ID: <0EF827AD-9324-4D33-85F6-22F3B136312E@gmail.com> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/17/birders-126-lost-bird-species-aoe Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 18 02:43:56 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 18 02:44:05 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] City Life is Hard for Raptors. Can Removing Rat Poison Make it Easier? | Audubon Message-ID: <405A7981-F56D-4C00-BD81-E99732AB4A7D@gmail.com> https://www.audubon.org/magazine/city-life-hard-raptors-can-removing-rat-poison-make-it-easier Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 18 02:46:06 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 18 02:46:11 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Tricolored_Blackbirds_Once_Faced_Extinction?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=94Here=27s_What=27s_Behind_Their_Exciting_Comeback_=7C_A?= =?utf-8?q?udubon?= Message-ID: https://www.audubon.org/magazine/tricolored-blackbirds-once-faced-extinction-heres-whats-behind-their-exciting-comeback Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 18 14:34:56 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (heapbigdoc@netscape.net via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 18 14:37:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Biggest Loser References: <1509311150.4087443.1718746496226.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1509311150.4087443.1718746496226@mail.yahoo.com> I suspect Amerigo Vespucci has them all beat. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Muul SALISH WILDLIFE WATCH Urban Conservation & Wildlife Biologist/Specialist - Response and Rescue WASART, BCS and MMSN referral Wildlife Field Biologist IV Marbled murrelet forest certified and USFWS marine certified Birds Connect Neighborhood Bird Project Site Leader Climate Watch Coordinator Animal Care Specialist/Animal & Off the Grid First Aid Certified -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 19 15:09:32 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Sharon Howard via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 19 15:09:46 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Any observations of sick birds at feeders recently ? Message-ID: <9FB72777-2FCC-4684-81ED-383C0392D6C1@comcast.net> This morning I saw a puffed up, slow moving pine siskin on the ground near our bird feeder. It was slowly pecking at seeds on the ground, but I worried if it were ill. So, if any of you know of any specific concerns for song birds in the Ballard area, I would appreciate knowing so I can remove our feeders if need be. Thank you. Sharon Howard South Hill area of Ballard From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 19 15:48:50 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tom and Carol Stoner via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 19 15:49:23 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Nighthawks in West Seattle Message-ID: Tweeters is the best! I remember hearing nighthawks back in the day, and I was delighted to learn that folks are hearing them now. I shall be listening. Carol Stoner West Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 19 17:26:00 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Kathy Gleich via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 19 17:26:16 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Merlin in Bellevue Message-ID: For two weeks I have heard a bird that Merlin identified by sound as a Merlin. I saw it fly from one side of the street to another but it was fast and up high so I did not get a good view of it. It seems to be hanging out on the tall firs around 104th AVE SE and SE 22nd in the Enatai neighborhood. Maybe it has a nest in the tall fir trees on the SE corner of the intersection and someone with a powerful scope can find it and confirm it is there. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 20 06:35:42 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Kathleen Snyder via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 20 06:35:58 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] sick siskins Message-ID: I have just taken down my seed feeders for the second time this spring. I have had at least five sick/dead ones in the past two weeks and this is after I started taking down and disinfecting my feeders daily. I give up. It kills me not to see the Lesser Goldfinches and other finches that I usually enjoy. 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First of Year (FOY) Great Blue Heron - Maybe half of the chicks have fledged. Awkward fishing techniques on display Accipiter sp. - One that had me leaning towards Sharp-shinned, but it never gave us good looks YELLOW-BREASTED CHAT - Continuing from last week. Singing from various locations in/near the south end of the East Meadow. Good looks Yellow-rumped Warbler - Very well marked male "Audubon's" below the weir. First since early May Misses included Hooded and Common Mergansers, Rock Pigeon, Red-tailed Hawk, Red-eyed Vireo, and Cliff Swallow. For the day, 60 species. For the year, 127 species for the survey. = Michael Hobbs = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm = birdmarymoor@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Today, after persistence by Pam C and others, we found the nest about 20 feet up on an overhanging branch. (None of us had ever seen a BUOR nesting in an evergreen.) We definitely could hear young chattering from the nest and watched both parents bringing food to it. This is the third year for this species nesting in the area near the maintenance pond, but the first time we found a nest. Other highlights included the following: WESTERN WOOD-PEWEE on occupied nest. HOUSE WREN bringing feed to a nest. Note: For the 5th year, a House Wren has nested in the light fixture next to the maintenance yard. The entrance to the nest is just a small space where the light support enters the fixture itself. It's really a small space, but definitely appears to be a secure spot for a nest. SWAINSON'S THRUSH, CEDAR WAXWING, WHITE-CROWNED SPARROW, RED-WINGED BLACKBIRD, and WESTERN TANAGER all feeding respective young. Many thanks to those experienced walkers helping with the Trevor, Alyssa, and Eva on their first JBLM Eagle's Pride birdwalk experience. Mammal sightings include raccoon (a first sighting of this mammal on a walk), black-tailed deer, Eastern cottontail rabbits, and Eastern gray squirrels. The JBLM Eagle's Pride GC birders meet the third Thursday of each month at 8:00AM. Starting point is the Driving Range building, Eagle's Pride Golf Course, I-5 Exit 116, Mounts Road Exit. (Turn left immediately after entering the parking lot to take the road leading to the driving range building.) Upcoming walks include the following: * July 18 * August 15 * September 19 Everyone is welcome to join us! >From the eBirdPNW report: 56 species (+1 other taxa) Wood Duck 5 4 females Pied-billed Grebe 2 Band-tailed Pigeon 12 Mourning Dove 1 Anna's Hummingbird 5 Rufous Hummingbird 11 Bald Eagle 2 Red-tailed Hawk 4 Red-breasted Sapsucker 1 Downy Woodpecker 3 Northern Flicker 6 Olive-sided Flycatcher 1 Western Wood-Pewee 12 Willow Flycatcher 12 Western Flycatcher 6 Hutton's Vireo 1 Warbling Vireo 2 Steller's Jay 7 American Crow 4 Common Raven 1 Black-capped Chickadee 14 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 6 Tree Swallow 24 Violet-green Swallow 6 Barn Swallow 12 Bushtit 37 Golden-crowned Kinglet 12 Red-breasted Nuthatch 11 Brown Creeper 9 House Wren 9 Pacific Wren 2 Bewick's Wren 5 European Starling 8 Swainson's Thrush 15 American Robin 60 Many fledgling Cedar Waxwing 35 House Finch 10 Purple Finch 7 Pine Siskin 3 Chipping Sparrow 6 Dark-eyed Junco 18 White-crowned Sparrow 11 Song Sparrow 19 Spotted Towhee 6 Bullock's Oriole 4 Red-winged Blackbird 8 Brown-headed Cowbird 14 blackbird sp. 1 Orange-crowned Warbler 15 MacGillivray's Warbler 1 Common Yellowthroat 1 Yellow Warbler 6 Yellow-rumped Warbler 4 Black-throated Gray Warbler 1 Wilson's Warbler 8 Western Tanager 14 Black-headed Grosbeak 12 View this checklist online at https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Febird.org%2Fchecklist%2FS182914269&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cc345ce8ac73c4f4b4fbe08dc9239ef51%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638546024721383318%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=EljSMHf6wHwwqME0cNkBlxtsjllNhlPx7Ck0iZST7BQ%3D&reserved=0 May all your birds be identified, Denis Denis DeSilvis Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In short - it's a 3 mile one-way beach walk at low tide ONLY. Black-legged Kittiwake - there's been a late 1st cycle gull hanging around; it has been seen at low tide roosts among other gulls at Pt Wilson, Pt Hudson, and Flagler spit sandbars. Red-eyed Vireo - still present and singing at 922 W Uncas Rd near Discovery Bay. Access details and an audio recording (which you will need to recognize because the bird sings non-stop but is very shy to be seen) here: https://ebird.org/checklist/S182470695. There have also been four Lazuli Buntings between Quilcene and Port Townsend this spring (very rare over here), including one across the street from the vireo near the bridge over Salmon Creek. However, it has gone undetected for a while. Note about Short Farm: We are in the process of working out public access in the future, as ownership is changing hands. Bird activity is dying down there as the water dries up. There are now no signs providing guidance on parking and access. Should you go there, please please please know what you're doing. I've posted a map under Blue-winged Teal at this checklist: https://ebird.org/checklist/S182504538. It's also at the Admiralty Audubon Facebook group. DO NOT PARK at what seems like a parking spot in the middle of the valley at the T in the road. That's a tractor turning area. Only park where indicated on the map -- across the valley, or at the little pullout along Center Rd at milepost 2.0. Thanks and good birding! -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Tim Brennan Renton [https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgLjmw9wsb3GmVGhwlMUUfl-PGpe1XHubK5MQjLQrTVb2BMQjhWOF5U0KQSggP0NLQ9MLmHw1Rlk95jut6-xGV1UBFDeF2Ec541V0uRPp_RULWnBP7VIPpejulS6vO4qfB4bfW7Xarl1OTtfTLr6SsdSx1mBsTl6Ri-2pB9_ideUVE3NMgAIOCQJUXnZyU0/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/jefferson%20driving%20math.PNG] June 12th - A Full Day in West Jefferson County Jefferson County is big, and it is small. It is close, and it is far. Also, the entire middle of the county is impassable by motor vehicle ... jkcountybirding.blogspot.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 22 20:39:03 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Pearson, Scott F (DFW) via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 22 20:39:10 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All, The Islands off the Washington Coast are all managed by the USFWS Washington Maritime National Wildlife Refuge Complex. The only coastal seabird breeding rocks/islands not managed by the Refuge belong to the Makah Tribe (Tatoosh and associated rocks) and Destruction Island (still under USCG management). Public access is restricted to all of these islands to reduce impacts to breeding birds and because they are extremely difficult to access and are extremely fragile (native vegetation and potential for erosion). Cassin's breed in burrows on a number of our offshore rocks and islands. For example, Alexander is riddled with Cassin's burrows but this Island also has many Fork-tailed Storm Petrel, Leach's Storm-petrel, Tufted Puffin, and Rhinoceros Auklet burrows along its upper slopes. The native vegetation is mostly intact on Alexander due to the lack of human visitation. Whereas islands like Destruction and Tatoosh, both of which have had considerable human activity post-contact (they both have lighthouses), has a lot of non-native vegetation and even non-native species like the European hare on Destruction that has caused considerable erosion and loss of seabird nesting habitat. In the short time that I have been going to Destruction (almost annually since 2007), I have seen portions of the slopes slide into the ocean that supported dozens of Puffin burrows. It is clear to us that the rabbits are responsible for much of the erosion. If inexperienced people were to start visiting these islands (like kayakers), they would likely introduce non-native vegetation that could make the islands unsuitable to burrow nesting seabirds and they would likely collapse many burrows with adults, eggs, and/or chicks inside. I have spent the past couple of decades working on seabird colonies and I still feel very uncomfortable with any human activity (including my own) on these islands. To minimize impact and to gain information on population trends, we (USFWS and WDFW) have been placing acoustic monitoring devices on islands like Destruction, Carol, Alexander, Jagged, and the Bodeltehs. These devices allow us to track vocalization rates over time as an index of abundance and to assess trends. We are also attempting to compare calling rate with burrow density. As Bob pointed out, these birds return to their colonies after dark. Based on our acoustic monitoring of Alexander for example, Cassin's don't return to the colony until about 3 hours after sunset and leave the island a good hour or two before sunrise. The best place to see these birds is on pelagic trips. When we are surveying the offshore environment, we tend to start to encounter Cassin's just before the shelf-break. Unfortunately for us (and maybe Cassin's) our shelf-break is relatively far offshore than in some areas off Oregon and California. But, I have also seen on Cassin's in Port Townsend Bay - like all species, you can see them out of range especially after storms. For maps of the offshore distribution of some of our seabirds, check out the following: https://repository.library.noaa.gov/view/noaa/9329 https://espis.boem.gov/final%20reports/BOEM_2021-014.pdf Good luck! Scott Scott Pearson, PhD Senior Research Scientist Wildlife Science Division Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife 1111 Washington St. SE Olympia, WA 98501 360-584-2107 he/him/his -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the link to the article: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/17/birders-126-lost-bird-species-aoe The article is about how there are several bird species (126?) that are not listed as extinct and yet have not been definitively observed for at least ten years. I don't understand the Amerigo Vespucci reference. Best - Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 11:00:18 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Faye McAdams Hands via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 11:00:23 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Biggest Loser Thread Origin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That is a great article. Thanks for sharing it with us Bill! I was interpreting this thread as relating to the upcoming Bird Name Changes though. With the decision having been made to change birds with eponymous names to something more descriptive of the bird, many birds - such as Wilson?s Warbler, Wilson?s Snipe, Steller's Jay - will be changed. So, anticipating that, Am?rigo Vespucci would lose quite a few indeed - American Bittern, American Flamingo, American Crow, American Robin, American Goldfinch, etc. BTW, My favorite candidate that was suggested on Tweeters has to be Edgar Common!! ?? Happy Birding, Faye Faye McAdams Hands zest4parus@hotmail.com Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Bill Mowat via Tweeters Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 10:26 AM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Biggest Loser Thread Origin I think this thread from Wednesday originated from an article in the guardian about lost bird species, posted on Tuesday, 6/18. Here?s the link to the article: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/17/birders-126-lost-bird-species-aoe The article is about how there are several bird species (126?) that are not listed as extinct and yet have not been definitively observed for at least ten years. I don?t understand the Amerigo Vespucci reference. Best ? Bill -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 11:01:23 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Stephen Chase via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 11:01:39 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Biggest Loser Thread Origin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill et al., The "Biggest Loser" reference was actually a reference to the upcoming name changes from the AOS removing epynomous names from birds - i.e. Wilson's Warbler, Cassin's Auklet, etc... Both Alexander Wilson and John Cassin will both have their names removed from a number of species. A comment was made that the 15th century explorer Amerigo Vespucci, who's name is the source for the term "America," would be the biggest loser of all, since dozens of birds have "American" in their name. That said, I have seen no suggestions that the term "American" is included in this proposal, so I assumed this comment was in jest. Stephen On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 10:26?AM Bill Mowat via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I think this thread from Wednesday originated from an article in the > guardian about lost bird species, posted on Tuesday, 6/18. > > > > Here?s the link to the article: > https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/17/birders-126-lost-bird-species-aoe > > > > The article is about how there are several bird species (126?) that are > not listed as extinct and yet have not been definitively observed for at > least ten years. > > > > I don?t understand the Amerigo Vespucci reference. > > > > Best ? Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 14:45:19 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (heapbigdoc@netscape.net via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 14:48:12 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo Vespucci and the biggest loser References: <1415312903.5077624.1719179119314.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1415312903.5077624.1719179119314@mail.yahoo.com> Yes, it was mostly intended in jest, but if the AOS really means to go ahead with getting rid of eponymous common names shouldn't they be consistent? And shouldn't they change "European" and "Eurasian" just to be safe, since Europe may be an eponym?? Then there's absurdity of re-re-changing Rivoli's Hummingbird, Morelet's Seedeater, Woodhouse's Scrub-Jay, and Montezuma Quail (I leave Lucifer Hummingbird as an exercise for the student). Or perhaps they could use the common sense of the ordinary chicken instead of going out of their way to create confusion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 15:50:25 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 15:50:29 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] TIME: The Least Toxic Ways to Protect Yourself from Ticks Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 16:11:49 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 16:12:14 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo Vespucci and the biggest loser In-Reply-To: <1415312903.5077624.1719179119314@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1415312903.5077624.1719179119314.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1415312903.5077624.1719179119314@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2E7A95E1-C6BE-4D32-A6D3-73D9369B3DE2@comcast.net> Europa is the name of a princess in Greek mythology, so indeed an eponym. Although it may have originated from ?eur? (wide) and ?op? (referring to vision), so perhaps means wide-seeing. And of course you mean Red Junglefowl, don?t you? Or is it Gallus gallus? ;-) And I agree with you entirely. Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Jun 23, 2024, at 2:45 PM, heapbigdoc@netscape.net via Tweeters wrote: > > Yes, it was mostly intended in jest, but if the AOS really means to go ahead with getting rid of eponymous common names shouldn't they be consistent? And shouldn't they change "European" and "Eurasian" just to be safe, since Europe may be an eponym? > > Then there's absurdity of re-re-changing Rivoli's Hummingbird, Morelet's Seedeater, Woodhouse's Scrub-Jay, and Montezuma Quail (I leave Lucifer Hummingbird as an exercise for the student). Or perhaps they could use the common sense of the ordinary chicken instead of going out of their way to create confusion. > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then there's absurdity of re-re-changing Rivoli's Hummingbird, Morelet's Seedeater, Woodhouse's Scrub-Jay, and Montezuma Quail (I leave Lucifer Hummingbird as an exercise for the student). Or perhaps they could use the common sense of the ordinary chicken instead of going out of their way to create confusion. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 16:58:06 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Gary Bletsch via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 16:58:13 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo References: <379186032.5092862.1719187086065.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <379186032.5092862.1719187086065@mail.yahoo.com> Dear Tweeters, If memory serves, on this much beloved list-serve Tweeters, the topic "harmful bird names being reclaimed by the Peoples' Congress for Eternal Purity of Ethos Among All Beings" was deemed out of bounds by the administrators a while back.? 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 19:18:07 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Bill Mowat via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 19:18:11 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Biggest Loser Thread Origin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the clarification, Stephen and Faye. I now understand the joking reference to Amerigo. I guess we could go with ?Completely Black Crow? instead of "American Crow?. ? From: Stephen Chase via Tweeters Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 11:01 AM To: Bill Mowat Cc: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Biggest Loser Thread Origin Bill et al., The "Biggest Loser" reference was actually a reference to the upcoming name changes from the AOS removing epynomous names from birds - i.e. Wilson's Warbler, Cassin's Auklet, etc... Both Alexander Wilson and John Cassin will both have their names removed from a number of species. A comment was made that the 15th century explorer Amerigo Vespucci, who's name is the source for the term "America," would be the biggest loser of all, since dozens of birds have "American" in their name. That said, I have seen no suggestions that the term "American" is included in this proposal, so I assumed this comment was in jest. Stephen On Sun, Jun 23, 2024 at 10:26?AM Bill Mowat via Tweeters > wrote: I think this thread from Wednesday originated from an article in the guardian about lost bird species, posted on Tuesday, 6/18. Here?s the link to the article: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/article/2024/jun/17/birders-126-lost-bird-species-aoe The article is about how there are several bird species (126?) that are not listed as extinct and yet have not been definitively observed for at least ten years. I don?t understand the Amerigo Vespucci reference. Best ? 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Scott Atkinson scottratkinson@hotmail.com Date: 6/9 4:47 PM From: Dennis Paulson via Tweeters Subject: [Tweeters] Scrub-jay in Everett ________________________________ Hello tweets, Netta Smith and I were surprised to see a California Scrub-Jay on the wire as we drove along East Marine View Drive just south of Belmonte Court yesterday morning (8 June 2024). We stopped and got good photos of it. It flew down into a blackberry jungle to the east of the road. Are scrub-jays regular in Everett now? Dennis Paulson Seattle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 21:00:58 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Greg via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 21:01:24 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo In-Reply-To: <784888F8-A436-4AD7-B86F-4162F7052AFE@mac.com> References: <784888F8-A436-4AD7-B86F-4162F7052AFE@mac.com> Message-ID: I?m all-in with you, Dianne. I?m dreading the day? Greg Pluth University Place Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 23, 2024, at 7:32 PM, Rob Faucett via Tweeters wrote: > > ?I agree. > -- > Rob Faucett > 206-619-5569 > Seattle, WA > >> On Jun 23, 2024, at 6:21?PM, Diann MacRae via Tweeters wrote: >> >> The whole idea should be out-of-bounds for the most part in my opinion. >> >> Cheers, Diann >> >> Diann MacRae >> Olympic Vulture Study >> 22622 - 53rd Avenue S.E. >> Bothell, WA 98021 >> tvulture@gmx.com >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2024 at 4:58 PM >> From: "Gary Bletsch via Tweeters" >> To: "Tweeters" >> Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo >> Dear Tweeters, >> >> If memory serves, on this much beloved list-serve Tweeters, the topic "harmful bird names being reclaimed by the Peoples' Congress for Eternal Purity of Ethos Among All Beings" was deemed out of bounds by the administrators a while back. >> >> Nonetheless, it is interesting to bring it once again into discussion, since the big event is on the horizon. >> >> Yours truly, >> >> Gary Bletsch >> >> >> _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rob Faucett +1(206) 619-5569 robfaucett@mac.com Seattle, WA 98105 > On Jun 23, 2024, at 4:58?PM, Gary Bletsch via Tweeters wrote: > > ? > Dear Tweeters, > > If memory serves, on this much beloved list-serve Tweeters, the topic "harmful bird names being reclaimed by the Peoples' Congress for Eternal Purity of Ethos Among All Beings" was deemed out of bounds by the administrators a while back. > > Nonetheless, it is interesting to bring it once again into discussion, since the big event is on the horizon. > > Yours truly, > > Gary Bletsch > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It?s simply shouldn?t be done herein. > > As previously decided. > > Respectfully, > > Rob > ? > Rob Faucett > +1(206) 619-5569 > robfaucett@mac.com > Seattle, WA 98105 > >>> On Jun 23, 2024, at 4:58?PM, Gary Bletsch via Tweeters wrote: >>> >> ? >> Dear Tweeters, >> >> If memory serves, on this much beloved list-serve Tweeters, the topic "harmful bird names being reclaimed by the Peoples' Congress for Eternal Purity of Ethos Among All Beings" was deemed out of bounds by the administrators a while back. >> >> Nonetheless, it is interesting to bring it once again into discussion, since the big event is on the horizon. >> >> Yours truly, >> >> Gary Bletsch >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Dan Reiff Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Dan Reiff > Date: January 9, 2024 at 2:44:44?AM PST > To: Tweeters > Subject: List of birds by common name - Wikipedia; and My ?Common? Concern > > ?It?s Wikipedia, but interesting. > > My hope is there was some person named ?Common? so that some of my favorite, great birds, including, Common Poorwill, Common Nighthawk, Common Raven, Common Eider and Common Loon will finally be renamed with the respect they deserve. > Also, I have never understood why the naming committee changed the name Rufous-sided Towhee to Spotted Towhee. > It was such a great name, and descriptive, and fun to say! > Who are these people that name bird species? > > While filming the Red Fox Sparrow at Ed N?s great backyard a few months ago, I was introduced to his neighbor. As we waited for the bird to arrive we discussed bird names that had changed. > > ?I have never gotten over the name change from Rufous-sided Towhee? I said. > ?I still call them Rufous-sided Towhees? she said. > > I was refreshingly surprised by her response! > > Best regards and Happy New Year to the Tweets community! > > Dan Reiff > > > Article listing all common bird names: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_by_common_name > > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sun Jun 23 23:50:49 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sun Jun 23 23:51:04 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Washington state lands commissioner wary of federal plan to kill thousands of owls | The Daily Chronicle Message-ID: <34BFE7C6-72AE-4F01-B890-B90BFA256A25@gmail.com> Hello Tweeters, The following article caught my attention. As a person who spends hundreds of hours each year observing and filming owls, I have struggled to conclude my position regarding the removal of Barred owls from historic Spotted owl territories. I now have. I and others have noted some success in the last five year ?Cull of the Wild?program. Also, I do not have a link, but there was a longer article in the recent New Yorker magazine (June 17, 2024 ? the debate over calling in invasive animals, page 58 ) that began with Spotted and Barred owls then, unfortunately, seemed to review failures more than successes in many other human intentionally or unintentionally introduced invasive species and the human attempts to affect or remedy the problems. I am interested in the thoughts of others regarding the complex issues involved in policy decisions for Spotted and Barred owls. Also, please share with me any comprehensive articles that review the many positions on this topic. Thank you, Dan Reiff https://www.chronline.com/stories/washington-state-lands-commissioner-wary-of-federal-plan-to-kill-thousands-of-owls,342477 Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 01:17:53 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Tim Brennan via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 01:17:59 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How do Cassin's Auklets work? Message-ID: Hey Tweets! Thank you for the continued flow of information about the auklets and the islands where they (and other fun birds) make their homes. I appreciate Scott's cautions, and to be clear - I'd not dream of landing on these islands. I'd read of kayak trips that passed by these islands, but did not land on them. I'd assume that, much like Protection Island near Port Townsend, there's even an approach buffer that would must be respected. And, as noted before. . . "the best way to see Cassin's Auklets" in Jefferson County may not be in the cards at all this year, as there's not exactly, to my understanding, a Jefferson County Pelagic Tours company out there. ? I think the best equivalent, in terms of plans and expectations, would be the Hollywood Tour buses. They drive past the homes of Tom Cruise, Katy Perry, Bruno Mars. . .and nobody asks for a refund if they don't see them. Just, "Oh neat! That's where they live." and off we go. I'm still interested in planning a trip around these islands, but it may be a disappointing trip for any birding paparazzi. There are better ways to see Fork-tailed Storm Petrels and Rihanna for sure. 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 11:06:18 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (HAL MICHAEL via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 11:06:42 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Washington state lands commissioner wary of federal plan to kill thousands of owls | The Daily Chronicle In-Reply-To: <34BFE7C6-72AE-4F01-B890-B90BFA256A25@gmail.com> References: <34BFE7C6-72AE-4F01-B890-B90BFA256A25@gmail.com> Message-ID: <147813499.893245.1719252378359@connect.xfinity.com> I tend to support the removal of invasive species, particularly if the invasive is not native. This has been done successfully in many situations with fish, removal of mice/rats/cats, and such. My key is that removal is complete and reinvasion prevented. I have mixed feelings about the owl removal. The Barred is a native species whose range is expanding. My understanding is that the expansion is due to both climate changes and conversion of habitat from Spotted to Barred. I would support the removal of Barred only if Spotted habitat was restored and expanded to the point where Barreds would be excluded. If the changes in habitat such that Barreds are here permanently and they will successfully outcompete Spotteds in old growth then it seems the removal is more of a short-term feel good action and not a solution to the the problem of the continued existence of Spotteds. Hal Michael Board of Directors,Ecologists Without Borders (http://ecowb.org/) Olympia WA 360-459-4005 360-791-7702 (C) ucd880@comcast.net > On 06/23/2024 11:50 PM PDT Dan Reiff via Tweeters wrote: > > > Hello Tweeters, > The following article caught my attention. > As a person who spends hundreds of hours each year observing and filming owls, I have struggled to conclude my position regarding the removal of Barred owls from historic Spotted owl territories. > > I now have. > > I and others have noted some success in the last five year ?Cull of the Wild?program. > Also, I do not have a link, but there was a longer article in the recent New Yorker magazine (June 17, 2024 ? the debate over calling in invasive animals, page 58 ) that began with Spotted and Barred owls then, unfortunately, seemed to review failures more than successes in many other human intentionally or unintentionally introduced invasive species and the human attempts to affect or remedy the problems. > > I am interested in the thoughts of others regarding the complex issues involved in policy decisions for Spotted and Barred owls. > Also, please share with me any comprehensive articles that review the many positions on this topic. > Thank you, > Dan Reiff > > https://www.chronline.com/stories/washington-state-lands-commissioner-wary-of-federal-plan-to-kill-thousands-of-owls,342477 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 11:06:18 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (HAL MICHAEL via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 11:06:43 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Washington state lands commissioner wary of federal plan to kill thousands of owls | The Daily Chronicle In-Reply-To: <34BFE7C6-72AE-4F01-B890-B90BFA256A25@gmail.com> References: <34BFE7C6-72AE-4F01-B890-B90BFA256A25@gmail.com> Message-ID: <147813499.893245.1719252378359@connect.xfinity.com> I tend to support the removal of invasive species, particularly if the invasive is not native. This has been done successfully in many situations with fish, removal of mice/rats/cats, and such. My key is that removal is complete and reinvasion prevented. I have mixed feelings about the owl removal. The Barred is a native species whose range is expanding. My understanding is that the expansion is due to both climate changes and conversion of habitat from Spotted to Barred. I would support the removal of Barred only if Spotted habitat was restored and expanded to the point where Barreds would be excluded. If the changes in habitat such that Barreds are here permanently and they will successfully outcompete Spotteds in old growth then it seems the removal is more of a short-term feel good action and not a solution to the the problem of the continued existence of Spotteds. Hal Michael Board of Directors,Ecologists Without Borders (http://ecowb.org/) Olympia WA 360-459-4005 360-791-7702 (C) ucd880@comcast.net > On 06/23/2024 11:50 PM PDT Dan Reiff via Tweeters wrote: > > > Hello Tweeters, > The following article caught my attention. > As a person who spends hundreds of hours each year observing and filming owls, I have struggled to conclude my position regarding the removal of Barred owls from historic Spotted owl territories. > > I now have. > > I and others have noted some success in the last five year ?Cull of the Wild?program. > Also, I do not have a link, but there was a longer article in the recent New Yorker magazine (June 17, 2024 ? the debate over calling in invasive animals, page 58 ) that began with Spotted and Barred owls then, unfortunately, seemed to review failures more than successes in many other human intentionally or unintentionally introduced invasive species and the human attempts to affect or remedy the problems. > > I am interested in the thoughts of others regarding the complex issues involved in policy decisions for Spotted and Barred owls. > Also, please share with me any comprehensive articles that review the many positions on this topic. > Thank you, > Dan Reiff > > https://www.chronline.com/stories/washington-state-lands-commissioner-wary-of-federal-plan-to-kill-thousands-of-owls,342477 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 12:42:05 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 12:42:09 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Invasive Species ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20240624124205.Horde.mB1Ln97oZ7kNnrpPD0bbbbE@webmail.jimbetz.com> ?Hmmm, ? I have to admit to being "conflicted and confused" about this topic ... ? Perhaps we are being a little too much like Playing God when we call something "invasive"?? Is anyone calling the changes in normal/usual habitat/locations due to a species moving to new territory "invasive"?? Do we have the obligation or right to say one species is "sacred" and therefore needs to be preserved?? Yes, the Barred Owls are pushing the Spotted Owls towards extinction.? Is that "our" problem?? Did we cause it?? Knowingly?? Aren't we Playing God when we have a program to Save the Salmon?? What about way back before humans even were on the Earth and species moved into new territory - wasn't that "invasive"? ? Aren't there better ways to Play God?? Such as simply preserving old growth? I can see from this chair multiple -large- areas on the mountains in Skagit County that have been logged recently ... using clear cut.? (No, it wasn't old growth - does that really matter?)? ? Isn't the root cause of all of this directly related to population growth?? We used to hear about ZPG.? Why has that thought/goal died?? I see new land being? converted from farm land or forest to housing - everywhere in Skagit County. And Skagit County is one of the last places in Western Washington to become over-populated. ? Do I want the Spotted Owl to survive?? Yes.? Definitely and Emphatically. Am I convinced that shooting Barred Owls in "Prime Spotted Owl Habitat" is the?right solution?? Not entirely.? Is it the least expensive and easiest and most successful?? Perhaps - but is it still "worth it"? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?- Confused ... Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 13:16:43 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Greg via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 13:16:57 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo Vespucci and the biggest loser In-Reply-To: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Good point, Paula. I see it as a massive undertaking, expending much effort and time (and much $$$) with little true benefit. Not to mention what it will take for this growing birding world to adapt. Does anyone know for sure if the train has left the station? I truly want to put a stop to this. Is it still possible? Greg Pluth University Place Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 24, 2024, at 1:07 PM, Paula Crockett/Martin Gibbins via Tweeters wrote: > > ? > > Hi Tweeters, > I get why the powers that be want to change the names, but who does this exercise benefit? It?s seems unlikely that it will help birds. Has anyone done a cost-benefit analysis? In this era of habitat loss, climate change, etc., it strikes me that the birds would be better served by directing that funding toward bird research and conservation. > Paula Crockett > Lake Joy, Carnation, WA > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 14:04:40 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 14:05:08 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Amerigo Vespucci and the biggest loser In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> You two are so right. The proponents consistently bring up one good reason for doing it, and I and many others think that all that caring shown by them could be put into actually helping the people who are said to be offended by the names, not to mention putting it into bird research and conservation. Changing bird names does nothing concrete for any group of people in any way. There seems to be no reason to do it other than changing history to remove past offenses, and does that really make people?s lives better? And there are so many good reasons not to, perhaps paramount among them the polarization this has caused in the ornithological and birding communities that will be long-lasting. Sorry, Hal. ;-) Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Jun 24, 2024, at 1:16 PM, Greg via Tweeters wrote: > > Good point, Paula. > I see it as a massive undertaking, expending much effort and time (and much $$$) with little true benefit. Not to mention what it will take for this growing birding world to adapt. Does anyone know for sure if the train has left the station? I truly want to put a stop to this. Is it still possible? > > Greg Pluth > University Place > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 24, 2024, at 1:07 PM, Paula Crockett/Martin Gibbins via Tweeters wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Hi Tweeters, >> I get why the powers that be want to change the names, but who does this exercise benefit? It?s seems unlikely that it will help birds. Has anyone done a cost-benefit analysis? In this era of habitat loss, climate change, etc., it strikes me that the birds would be better served by directing that funding toward bird research and conservation. >> Paula Crockett >> Lake Joy, Carnation, WA >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Mon Jun 24 19:31:20 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (John Riegsecker via Tweeters) Date: Mon Jun 24 19:31:28 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Port Orchard Terns Message-ID: <19281466-4982-4c2b-b62b-0dab7da7132c@pobox.com> All, Between 4/18/2024 and 05/23/2024 I reported 23 banded Caspian Terns with alphanumeric codes at Etta Turner Park in Port Orchard, across the water from Bremerton. 10 were banded NEAR CHINOOK, CLATSOP COUNTY, OREGON 6 were banded NEAR BELLINGHAM, WHATCOM COUNTY, WASHINGTON 1 was banded NEAR WALLA WALLA, WALLA WALLA COUNTY, WASHINGTON and I never received a response for the other 6. In addition, I photographed 3 banded terns with no alphanumeric codes from a different study: Two were banded as chicks at East Sand Island in the Columbia River estuary, Oregon in 2004. One was banded as a chick in 2005 at Dungeness Spit in Washington. The majority of the birds were only seen once. Today there were 169 Caspian Terns, including A842 which I first saw 05/12/24. https://ebird.org/checklist/S183533741 John Riegsecker Gig Harbor, WA -- John Riegsecker From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 06:35:52 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Steve Hampton via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 06:36:40 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will reply. These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to why this is. 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many birding organizations, and their field trips. I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. I do wish everyone good birding, -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sincerely, Kevin Lucas -- A white male not yet over the 65 year old threshold, in Yakima County, WA *Qui tacet consentire videtur* On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 6:37?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will > reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect > information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other > aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and > the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) > matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. > Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people > and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes > from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and > inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to > why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and > privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are > under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be > today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation > organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any > issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of > birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly > gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve > the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter > here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do > not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many > birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn > more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 07:52:35 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Denise Bolton via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 07:52:51 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thank you Steve! Denise Bolton White woman well over the 65 limit. On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 7:13?AM Kevin Lucas via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Steve, > Thank you very much. > Sincerely, > Kevin Lucas -- A white male not yet over the 65 year old threshold, in > Yakima County, WA > *Qui tacet consentire videtur* > > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 6:37?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will >> reply. >> >> These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect >> information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other >> aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and >> the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. >> >> Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) >> matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. >> Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: >> >> 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people >> and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes >> from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and >> inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to >> why this is. >> >> 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and >> privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are >> under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be >> today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation >> organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. >> >> 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any >> issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of >> birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly >> gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve >> the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter >> here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do >> not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many >> birding organizations, and their field trips. >> >> I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn >> more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. >> >> I do wish everyone good birding, >> >> >> -- >> Steve Hampton >> Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 08:07:47 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Louise via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 08:08:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Very well said, Steve. Perception matters if we wish to see birding continue in future generations. I can appreciate the point of view of those conservation-minded people who have concerns that the money might instead be spent directly on efforts for the birds, but if younger people and people from local communities everywhere are dissuaded from becoming involved in birding, then conservation efforts are doomed. Louise Rutter Kirkland On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:53?AM Denise Bolton via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Thank you Steve! > > Denise Bolton > > White woman well over the 65 limit. > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 7:13?AM Kevin Lucas via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Steve, >> Thank you very much. >> Sincerely, >> Kevin Lucas -- A white male not yet over the 65 year old threshold, in >> Yakima County, WA >> *Qui tacet consentire videtur* >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 6:37?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >>> In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will >>> reply. >>> >>> These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect >>> information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other >>> aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and >>> the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. >>> >>> Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization >>> names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. >>> Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: >>> >>> 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people >>> and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes >>> from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and >>> inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to >>> why this is. >>> >>> 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and >>> privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are >>> under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be >>> today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation >>> organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. >>> >>> 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any >>> issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of >>> birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly >>> gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve >>> the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter >>> here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do >>> not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many >>> birding organizations, and their field trips. >>> >>> I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn >>> more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. >>> >>> I do wish everyone good birding, >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steve Hampton >>> Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Tweeters mailing list >>> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >>> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 08:20:38 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Mark Walton via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 08:20:52 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks for that email, Steve. I agree with everything you just wrote. If I can encourage the participation of under-represented groups in birding just by learning a few new bird names I'm happy to do it. Mark Ar M?irt 25 Meith 2024 ag 06:37, scr?obh Steve Hampton via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu>: > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will > reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect > information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other > aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and > the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) > matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. > Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people > and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes > from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and > inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to > why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and > privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are > under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be > today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation > organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any > issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of > birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly > gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve > the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter > here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do > not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many > birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn > more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 08:30:46 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Adam Stopka via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 08:31:00 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Well said Steve. Adam Stopka Fall City On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 6:37?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will > reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect > information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other > aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and > the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) > matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. > Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people > and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes > from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and > inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to > why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and > privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are > under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be > today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation > organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any > issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of > birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly > gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve > the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter > here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do > not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many > birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn > more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 09:00:10 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 09:00:13 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3f7d51483fbd4fc6961cf8ea0ae84925@avocetconsulting.com> I am completely in agreement with Steve?s post, and the request to stop discussing it in this venue. If you can?t see that even having an argument about this issue is alienating to so many I?m really not sure what to say. Inclusiveness in enjoying the wild world around us should take precedence over one?s own opinion about something not actually relevant to appreciating and studying birds. In your own mind you?re welcome to call them whatever you wish, whether old or new names or those you?ve made up yourself! Teresa Michelsen 60, white female Hoodsport, WA From: Tweeters On Behalf Of Kevin Lucas via Tweeters Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:13 AM To: Steve Hampton Cc: TWEETERS tweeters Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci Steve, Thank you very much. Sincerely, Kevin Lucas -- A white male not yet over the 65 year old threshold, in Yakima County, WA Qui tacet consentire videtur On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 6:37?AM Steve Hampton via Tweeters > wrote: In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will reply. These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to why this is. 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many birding organizations, and their field trips. I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. I do wish everyone good birding, -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 09:00:28 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 09:00:34 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via Tweeters. To your points: In the op-ed I authored, many people were upset when I wrote: "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life stories. We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to actually lead to more scholarship, funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put this up for a vote and support it? Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the continental U.S. Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a name change? ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Steve Hampton via Tweeters Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM To: TWEETERS tweeters Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will reply. These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to why this is. 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many birding organizations, and their field trips. I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. I do wish everyone good birding, -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 09:30:38 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jordan Gunn via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 09:30:53 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate Posts Message-ID: Who determines what subjects are inappropriate on Tweeters? One may think discussion of things as broadly impactful as changing long standing birds should be allowed, with input from those for and those opposed. Tweeters has never been of itself a representative of the bird community, but rather a forum for the bird community and its varying and sometimes opposing opinions. That being said, if a subject invariably devolves into implied or outright allegations of explicit or implicit racism, ageism, or sexism, and results in people signing off on posts with race, age, or gender, perhaps the discussion should not be on Tweeters. Personally, I don't have strong feelings on the name changes - perhaps if I signed off this email with my age, race, and gender, one could make inferences on how those aspects affect my views on the subject, or what weight my opinions should have, or how those characteristics inform my many follies, but alas, one may just have to guess based on the above! But not on Tweeters, please. --Jordan Gunn Edmonds, WA uwjag21@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 09:53:57 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Rob Faucett via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 09:54:35 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate Posts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E1A15B2-E93E-43D0-88F4-6B1DE96CC558@mac.com> The administrators. rcf -- Rob Faucett 206-619-5569 Seattle, WA > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:30?AM, Jordan Gunn via Tweeters wrote: > > Who determines what subjects are inappropriate on Tweeters? One may think discussion of things as broadly impactful as changing long standing birds should be allowed, with input from those for and those opposed. Tweeters has never been of itself a representative of the bird community, but rather a forum for the bird community and its varying and sometimes opposing opinions. > > That being said, if a subject invariably devolves into implied or outright allegations of explicit or implicit racism, ageism, or sexism, and results in people signing off on posts with race, age, or gender, perhaps the discussion should not be on Tweeters. > > Personally, I don't have strong feelings on the name changes - perhaps if I signed off this email with my age, race, and gender, one could make inferences on how those aspects affect my views on the subject, or what weight my opinions should have, or how those characteristics inform my many follies, but alas, one may just have to guess based on the above! But not on Tweeters, please. > > --Jordan Gunn > Edmonds, WA > uwjag21@gmail.com _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 09:56:21 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 09:56:47 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I guess you are just writing about bird names. My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the good it will do. For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea of the real reasons. As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence relating bird names to sociological realities. Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing this rift in our community that may never be healed. Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters wrote: > > Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via Tweeters. To your points: > > In the op-ed I authored, many people were upset when I wrote: > > "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" > > I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? > > Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life stories. > > We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. > > And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to actually lead to morescholarship , funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put this up for a vote and support it? > > Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the continental U.S. > > Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? > > Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a name change? > > > > > > From: Tweeters > on behalf of Steve Hampton via Tweeters > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM > To: TWEETERS tweeters > > Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci > > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 10:04:21 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Fleming via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 10:04:38 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello Dennis; I totally agree with you. Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 9:57?AM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. > > No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain > the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in > reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of > females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in > wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I > guess you are just writing about bird names. > > My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging > fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our > world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the > good it will do. > > For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be > interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any > indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that > interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an > issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea > of the real reasons. > > As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making > the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how > changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are > generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence > relating bird names to sociological realities. > > Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe > that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and > castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing > this rift in our community that may never be healed. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the > nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via > Tweeters. To your points: > > In the op-ed > I > authored, many people were upset when I wrote: > > "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead > of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and > rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the > cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered > siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" > > I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making > these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters > listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change > (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). > Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the > last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding > community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and > the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with > their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? > > Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others > out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of > reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about > race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in > every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. > We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life > stories. > > We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you > had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you > had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay > again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, > even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. > > And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to > actually lead to morescholarship > , > funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS > name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in > the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put > this up for a vote and support it? > > Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been > U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in > every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in > naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary > War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El > Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 > endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the > continental U.S. > > Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic > northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why > does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's > spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? > > Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that > would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a > name change? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on behalf > of Steve Hampton via Tweeters > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM > *To:* TWEETERS tweeters > *Subject:* [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo > Vespucci > > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will > reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect > information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other > aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and > the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) > matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. > Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people > and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes > from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and > inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to > why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and > privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are > under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be > today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation > organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any > issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of > birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly > gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve > the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter > here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do > not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many > birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn > more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 10:18:20 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 10:18:25 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dennis, I did not deride anyone or call you or anyone a racist or specifically accuse anyone of being "okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo". That being said, you may want to sit with why you thought that sentence was directed towards you. There are always going to be those who want to maintain the status quo, so that idea isn't radical by any means. Since you want to center yourself in this conversation, let's remember you were one of the original posters who started the name change conversation on Tweeters. You were neutral at first, but eventually escalated to making your opposition clear and later going so far as to promote the petition in opposition to the name changes via Tweeters. Since you are so concerned with the high-hanging fruit, why have you not responded to my point about including Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA Area? This is now the second time I've mentioned it via Tweeters. Lastly, as stated by Steve and others, just because you don't fully understand the significance or value of the name changes doesn't mean that they're not important. Also, it's not the responsibility of those who do feel it is important to spell it out for you in a fashion you deem convincing. I look forward to witnessing your continued efforts to promote inclusivity in the birding community. -Carmelo Quetell ________________________________ From: Dennis Paulson Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:56 PM To: Carmelo Quetell ; Steve Hampton Cc: TWEETERS tweeters Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I guess you are just writing about bird names. My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the good it will do. For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea of the real reasons. As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence relating bird names to sociological realities. Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing this rift in our community that may never be healed. Dennis Paulson Seattle On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters > wrote: Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via Tweeters. To your points: In the op-ed I authored, many people were upset when I wrote: "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life stories. We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to actually lead to morescholarship, funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put this up for a vote and support it? Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the continental U.S. Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a name change? ________________________________ From: Tweeters > on behalf of Steve Hampton via Tweeters > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM To: TWEETERS tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will reply. These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to why this is. 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many birding organizations, and their field trips. I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. I do wish everyone good birding, -- Steve Hampton Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 11:19:56 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Fleming via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 11:20:13 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Carmelo; Well, It appears to me that you are the one who wants to center themselves in this conversation, -- just a view from someone who has been reading these posts... Cheers; Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 10:24?AM Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Dennis, > > I did not deride anyone or call you or anyone a racist or specifically > accuse anyone of being "okay with keeping others out in order to maintain > the status quo". That being said, you may want to sit with why you thought > that sentence was directed towards you. There are always going to be those > who want to maintain the status quo, so that idea isn't radical by any > means. > > Since you want to center yourself in this conversation, let's remember you > were one of the original posters who started the name change conversation > on Tweeters. You were neutral at first, but eventually escalated to making > your opposition clear and later going so far as to promote the petition in > opposition to the name changes via Tweeters. > > Since you are so concerned with the high-hanging fruit, why have you not > responded to my point about including Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA > Area? This is now the second time I've mentioned it via Tweeters. > > Lastly, as stated by Steve and others, just because you don't fully > understand the significance or value of the name changes doesn't mean that > they're not important. Also, it's not the responsibility of those who do > feel it is important to spell it out for you in a fashion you deem > convincing. > > I look forward to witnessing your continued efforts to promote inclusivity > in the birding community. > > -Carmelo Quetell > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Dennis Paulson > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:56 PM > *To:* Carmelo Quetell ; Steve Hampton < > stevechampton@gmail.com> > *Cc:* TWEETERS tweeters > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo > Vespucci > > I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. > > No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain > the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in > reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of > females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in > wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I > guess you are just writing about bird names. > > My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging > fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our > world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the > good it will do. > > For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be > interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any > indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that > interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an > issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea > of the real reasons. > > As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making > the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how > changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are > generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence > relating bird names to sociological realities. > > Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe > that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and > castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing > this rift in our community that may never be healed. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the > nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via > Tweeters. To your points: > > In the op-ed > I > authored, many people were upset when I wrote: > > "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead > of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and > rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the > cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered > siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" > > I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making > these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters > listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change > (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). > Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the > last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding > community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and > the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with > their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? > > Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others > out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of > reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about > race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in > every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. > We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life > stories. > > We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you > had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you > had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay > again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, > even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. > > And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to > actually lead to morescholarship > , > funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS > name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in > the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put > this up for a vote and support it? > > Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been > U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in > every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in > naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary > War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El > Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 > endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the > continental U.S. > > Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic > northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why > does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's > spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? > > Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that > would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a > name change? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on behalf > of Steve Hampton via Tweeters > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM > *To:* TWEETERS tweeters > *Subject:* [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo > Vespucci > > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will > reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect > information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other > aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and > the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) > matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. > Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people > and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes > from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and > inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to > why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and > privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are > under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be > today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation > organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any > issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of > birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly > gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve > the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter > here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do > not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many > birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn > more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 11:27:58 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Hal Opperman UW via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 11:28:22 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Inappropriate Topics reminder Message-ID: Every new subscriber receives a Welcome message, beginning with a statement of what Tweeters is about. Please reread and reflect on these two lead paragraphs: "TWEETERS IS A GENERAL EMAIL LIST DEVOTED TO BIRDS AND BIRDING, especially in Washington State and the Cascadia region. Bird sightings, trip reports, field identification issues, and the status, distribution, habitats, natural history, and biology of birds, provide the prevalent?but not exclusive?subject matter of the list. Postings on topics of conservation, ecology, and wild critters other than birds, are acceptable, indeed encouraged. "TWEETERS IS UNMODERATED. No list ?bosses? screen messages for posting. Subscribers themselves serve as a self-moderating community, governed by guidelines." The most important takeaway is ?This is your list. You, the community, make it what it is.? The Guidelines outlined in the Welcome message usually work well on their own. Every now and then, however, a reminder is needed when the list seem to be going off the rails. And so, once again, please reread and reflect upon this paragraph: "GUIDELINES: AVOIDING INAPPROPRIATE TOPICS. Tweeters is a forum for discussion of birds, birding, and the natural world broadly construed. In the interests of all, please limit your postings to topics that fall within these bounds. In addition, exercise judgment and common sense to STEER CLEAR OF ?HOT-BUTTON? ISSUES that all too often provoke inflammatory rhetoric and unenlightened debate of a purely adversarial nature. The first sign of any such disruption of civil discourse can be expected to trigger rapid intervention by the list administrators.? The Guideline then lists several examples of notoriously objectionable hot-button topics, among them cats (pro or con), hunting (pro or con), religion, and partisan politics. In recent months what now seems on the way to becoming yet another chronically inflammatory topic has invaded the list ? bird naming rights, passionately contested between two bands of adherents, the Jets and the Sharks of our otherwise peaceful birding forum. PLEASE DROP THIS TOPIC. NOW. Two prior warnings only succeeded in driving it underground briefly. Henceforward offenders will be disciplined appropriately. Let me end on an affirmative note, with this quote from the original Tweeters Charter published many years ago. It is still our ideal. "Tweeters includes a broad spectrum of people, from novices who want to share their enjoyment of birds and find out more about them, to expert birders who spend all the time they can in the field, to professional biologists. There is room on Tweeters for anybody who is interested in, or has something to say about, birds and bird-related topics. All postings are intended both to convey information and to stimulate others to ask questions, respond, join the debate. The goal is an opening toward genuine understanding of birds, ourselves, the world we share, and how we talk about these things, conducted in the finest tradition of civil discourse.? Thank you, and good birding! Hal Opperman Tweeters List Co-Administrator (with Elaine Chuang) From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 11:37:44 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Zora Monster via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 11:38:02 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: Historically, eponymous names are given to the first person to describe the object, be it animal, plant or other. It is extremely rare that said person is the first to know of, and in a lot of cases deeply know of, that object. Take the birds of North America as an example. We have many species that were given names because someone saw it once, captured and killed it, and then went on to describe it in a book or journal. That same bird was likely found by said person because someone indigenous to the area helped that person find said bird. That indigenous person likely knew far more about that bird, before and after its naming, than the person for whom it was named. Giving an object an eponymous name is colonial in its nature and truly out of step with the way we are, hopefully, beginning to view the world as a whole. It?s time to write that history more accurately. In doing so, we will actually make it easier for future birders to learn names since, hopefully, those names will be more descriptive. I, for one, can use the mental exercise of learning new names for my favorite birds. Zora Dermer Seattle > On Jun 25, 2024, at 10:18?AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters wrote: > > Dennis, > > I did not deride anyone or call you or anyone a racist or specifically accuse anyone of being "okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo". That being said, you may want to sit with why you thought that sentence was directed towards you. There are always going to be those who want to maintain the status quo, so that idea isn't radical by any means. > > Since you want to center yourself in this conversation, let's remember you were one of the original posters who started the name change conversation on Tweeters. You were neutral at first, but eventually escalated to making your opposition clear and later going so far as to promote the petition in opposition to the name changes via Tweeters. > > Since you are so concerned with the high-hanging fruit, why have you not responded to my point about including Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA Area? This is now the second time I've mentioned it via Tweeters. > > Lastly, as stated by Steve and others, just because you don't fully understand the significance or value of the name changes doesn't mean that they're not important. Also, it's not the responsibility of those who do feel it is important to spell it out for you in a fashion you deem convincing. > > I look forward to witnessing your continued efforts to promote inclusivity in the birding community. > > -Carmelo Quetell > > > From: Dennis Paulson > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:56 PM > To: Carmelo Quetell ; Steve Hampton > Cc: TWEETERS tweeters > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci > > I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. > > No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I guess you are just writing about bird names. > > My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the good it will do. > > For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea of the real reasons. > > As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence relating bird names to sociological realities. > > Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing this rift in our community that may never be healed. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters > wrote: > > Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via Tweeters. To your points: > > In the op-ed I authored, many people were upset when I wrote: > > "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" > > I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? > > Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life stories. > > We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. > > And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to actually lead to morescholarship , funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put this up for a vote and support it? > > Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the continental U.S. > > Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? > > Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a name change? > > > > > > From: Tweeters > on behalf of Steve Hampton via Tweeters > > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM > To: TWEETERS tweeters > > Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci > > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 11:39:09 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Matt Hucke via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 11:39:27 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: References: <934829375.9691826.1719259558769@mail.yahoo.com> <5696A910-2DEE-4A35-861C-14DD96F632A7@comcast.net> Message-ID: I'm all for purging names associated with racists and slaveholders. But must we throw the baby out with the bathwater? What did Steller ever do, to be consigned to the dustbin of history? Or Anna (of hummingbird fame)? It's a solution to a nonexistent problem. Remove the problematic names, not all names. On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:21?AM Michael Fleming via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Carmelo; > > Well, It appears to me that you are the one who wants to center > themselves in this conversation, -- just a view from someone who has been > reading these posts... > > Cheers; > > Michael Fleming > Ballard, Washington > MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com > > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 10:24?AM Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Dennis, >> >> I did not deride anyone or call you or anyone a racist or specifically >> accuse anyone of being "okay with keeping others out in order to maintain >> the status quo". That being said, you may want to sit with why you thought >> that sentence was directed towards you. There are always going to be those >> who want to maintain the status quo, so that idea isn't radical by any >> means. >> >> Since you want to center yourself in this conversation, let's remember >> you were one of the original posters who started the name change >> conversation on Tweeters. You were neutral at first, but eventually >> escalated to making your opposition clear and later going so far as to >> promote the petition in opposition to the name changes via Tweeters. >> >> Since you are so concerned with the high-hanging fruit, why have you not >> responded to my point about including Puerto Rico and Mexico in the ABA >> Area? This is now the second time I've mentioned it via Tweeters. >> >> Lastly, as stated by Steve and others, just because you don't fully >> understand the significance or value of the name changes doesn't mean that >> they're not important. Also, it's not the responsibility of those who do >> feel it is important to spell it out for you in a fashion you deem >> convincing. >> >> I look forward to witnessing your continued efforts to promote >> inclusivity in the birding community. >> >> -Carmelo Quetell >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Dennis Paulson >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 12:56 PM >> *To:* Carmelo Quetell ; Steve Hampton < >> stevechampton@gmail.com> >> *Cc:* TWEETERS tweeters >> *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo >> Vespucci >> >> I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. >> >> No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain >> the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in >> reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of >> females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in >> wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I >> guess you are just writing about bird names. >> >> My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging >> fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our >> world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the >> good it will do. >> >> For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be >> interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any >> indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that >> interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an >> issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea >> of the real reasons. >> >> As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making >> the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how >> changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are >> generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence >> relating bird names to sociological realities. >> >> Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe >> that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and >> castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing >> this rift in our community that may never be healed. >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> >> On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the >> nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via >> Tweeters. To your points: >> >> In the op-ed >> I >> authored, many people were upset when I wrote: >> >> "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead >> of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and >> rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the >> cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered >> siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" >> >> I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making >> these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters >> listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change >> (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). >> Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the >> last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding >> community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and >> the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with >> their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? >> >> Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others >> out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of >> reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about >> race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in >> every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. >> We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life >> stories. >> >> We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you >> had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you >> had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay >> again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, >> even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. >> >> And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to >> actually lead to morescholarship >> , >> funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS >> name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in >> the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put >> this up for a vote and support it? >> >> Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been >> U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in >> every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in >> naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary >> War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El >> Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 >> endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the >> continental U.S. >> >> Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic >> northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why >> does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's >> spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? >> >> Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that >> would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a >> name change? >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Tweeters on behalf >> of Steve Hampton via Tweeters >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM >> *To:* TWEETERS tweeters >> *Subject:* [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo >> Vespucci >> >> In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will >> reply. >> >> These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect >> information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other >> aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and >> the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. >> >> Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) >> matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. >> Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: >> >> 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people >> and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes >> from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and >> inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to >> why this is. >> >> 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and >> privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are >> under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be >> today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation >> organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. >> >> 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any >> issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of >> birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly >> gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve >> the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter >> here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do >> not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many >> birding organizations, and their field trips. >> >> I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn >> more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. >> >> I do wish everyone good birding, >> >> >> -- >> Steve Hampton >> Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > -- > Michael Fleming > Ballard, Washington > MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Matt Hucke (hucke@cynico.net) (he/him). https://www.flickr.com/photos/matthucke "Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so." - D. Adams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My concern is how to help my childrens' generation, and how to recruit my grandson's generation, to taking stronger and more effective actions to address the really serious crises they face. It is not about making me less uncomfortable, it is about minimizing or controlling the real dangers they face (and too often are inheriting from my and previous generations). Chris Kessler -- ?Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass ? it?s about learning how to dance in the rain.? Deborah Tuck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 12:00:10 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Nelson Briefer via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 12:00:26 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Respect for Hal O. And Elaine C. Message-ID: Many months ago there was a post that asked for the opinion to allow birders to post their sightings from out of state. Possibly because the activity of posting was becoming non- exciting. But, do you really care to read of my many sightings of Goshawks in East Texas, S.E. Arizona, and Southern California including Bakersfield? I don?t think so. In fact, the list serve owner in Texas threatened to block my NG sightings in Texas, unless I had proof of my sightings, which means photos of NG, and not just photos but very good photos. There must have been many complaints by the birders to have me censored from the list serve. This same condition may be occurring within Tweeters. This is why I respect Hal and Elaine. They did not fold like a cheap, two- dollar camera. Cheers- the best to all. Nelson Briefer- Anacortes. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 12:33:56 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Trileigh Tucker via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 12:34:09 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Inappropriate Topics reminder Message-ID: Thank you so much, Hal. Trileigh Trileigh Tucker, PhD Professor Emerita, Environmental Studies, Seattle University Pelly Valley, West Seattle Writer, Photographer, Fine Artist NaturalPresenceArts.com From: Hal Opperman UW via Tweeters Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:27?AM To: Tweeters Cc: Tweeters-Owner Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Inappropriate Topics reminder Every new subscriber receives a Welcome message, beginning with a statement of what Tweeters is about. Please reread and reflect on these two lead paragraphs: "TWEETERS IS A GENERAL EMAIL LIST DEVOTED TO BIRDS AND BIRDING, especially in Washington State and the Cascadia region. Bird sightings, trip reports, field identification issues, and the status, distribution, habitats, natural history, and biology of birds, provide the prevalent?but not exclusive?subject matter of the list. Postings on topics of conservation, ecology, and wild critters other than birds, are acceptable, indeed encouraged. "TWEETERS IS UNMODERATED. No list ?bosses? screen messages for posting. Subscribers themselves serve as a self-moderating community, governed by guidelines." The most important takeaway is ?This is your list. You, the community, make it what it is.? The Guidelines outlined in the Welcome message usually work well on their own. Every now and then, however, a reminder is needed when the list seem to be going off the rails. And so, once again, please reread and reflect upon this paragraph: "GUIDELINES: AVOIDING INAPPROPRIATE TOPICS. Tweeters is a forum for discussion of birds, birding, and the natural world broadly construed. In the interests of all, please limit your postings to topics that fall within these bounds. In addition, exercise judgment and common sense to STEER CLEAR OF ?HOT-BUTTON? ISSUES that all too often provoke inflammatory rhetoric and unenlightened debate of a purely adversarial nature. The first sign of any such disruption of civil discourse can be expected to trigger rapid intervention by the list administrators.? The Guideline then lists several examples of notoriously objectionable hot-button topics, among them cats (pro or con), hunting (pro or con), religion, and partisan politics. In recent months what now seems on the way to becoming yet another chronically inflammatory topic has invaded the list ? bird naming rights, passionately contested between two bands of adherents, the Jets and the Sharks of our otherwise peaceful birding forum. PLEASE DROP THIS TOPIC. NOW. Two prior warnings only succeeded in driving it underground briefly. Henceforward offenders will be disciplined appropriately. Let me end on an affirmative note, with this quote from the original Tweeters Charter published many years ago. It is still our ideal. "Tweeters includes a broad spectrum of people, from novices who want to share their enjoyment of birds and find out more about them, to expert birders who spend all the time they can in the field, to professional biologists. There is room on Tweeters for anybody who is interested in, or has something to say about, birds and bird-related topics. All postings are intended both to convey information and to stimulate others to ask questions, respond, join the debate. The goal is an opening toward genuine understanding of birds, ourselves, the world we share, and how we talk about these things, conducted in the finest tradition of civil discourse.? Thank you, and good birding! Hal Opperman Tweeters List Co-Administrator (with Elaine Chuang) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Roedell, Seattle On Tue, Jun 25, 2024, 12:59 PM Bud Anderson via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I also have to agree with Dennis on this one. > > I seriously doubt that bird names have ever kept anyone who is genuinely > interested in birds from pursuing their interests. > > Far better to direct your time, energy and money into preserving the birds > and habitats that we all love so much, especially in these times of > ecological degradation. > > In my view, dividing the birding community is a loss to everyone, but > especially to the birds. > > Bud Anderson > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best to all, Rob -- Rob Faucett 206-619-5569 Seattle, WA > On Jun 25, 2024, at 12:33?PM, Trileigh Tucker via Tweeters wrote: > > Thank you so much, Hal. > > Trileigh > > Trileigh Tucker, PhD > Professor Emerita, Environmental Studies, Seattle University > Pelly Valley, West Seattle > Writer, Photographer, Fine Artist > NaturalPresenceArts.com > > > > > From: Hal Opperman UW via Tweeters > > Date: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 at 11:27?AM > To: Tweeters > > Cc: Tweeters-Owner > > Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Inappropriate Topics reminder > > Every new subscriber receives a Welcome message, beginning with a statement of what Tweeters is about. Please reread and reflect on these two lead paragraphs: "TWEETERS IS A GENERAL EMAIL LIST DEVOTED TO BIRDS AND BIRDING, especially in Washington State and the Cascadia region. Bird sightings, trip reports, field identification issues, and the status, distribution, habitats, natural history, and biology of birds, provide the prevalent?but not exclusive?subject matter of the list. Postings on topics of conservation, ecology, and wild critters other than birds, are acceptable, indeed encouraged. "TWEETERS IS UNMODERATED. No list ?bosses? screen messages for posting. Subscribers themselves serve as a self-moderating community, governed by guidelines." The most important takeaway is ?This is your list. You, the community, make it what it is.? The Guidelines outlined in the Welcome message usually work well on their own. Every now and then, however, a reminder is needed when the list seem to be going off the rails. And so, once again, please reread and reflect upon this paragraph: "GUIDELINES: AVOIDING INAPPROPRIATE TOPICS. Tweeters is a forum for discussion of birds, birding, and the natural world broadly construed. In the interests of all, please limit your postings to topics that fall within these bounds. In addition, exercise judgment and common sense to STEER CLEAR OF ?HOT-BUTTON? ISSUES that all too often provoke inflammatory rhetoric and unenlightened debate of a purely adversarial nature. The first sign of any such disruption of civil discourse can be expected to trigger rapid intervention by the list administrators.? The Guideline then lists several examples of notoriously objectionable hot-button topics, among them cats (pro or con), hunting (pro or con), religion, and partisan politics. In recent months what now seems on the way to becoming yet another chronically inflammatory topic has invaded the list ? bird naming rights, passionately contested between two bands of adherents, the Jets and the Sharks of our otherwise peaceful birding forum. PLEASE DROP THIS TOPIC. NOW. Two prior warnings only succeeded in driving it underground briefly. Henceforward offenders will be disciplined appropriately. Let me end on an affirmative note, with this quote from the original Tweeters Charter published many years ago. It is still our ideal. "Tweeters includes a broad spectrum of people, from novices who want to share their enjoyment of birds and find out more about them, to expert birders who spend all the time they can in the field, to professional biologists. There is room on Tweeters for anybody who is interested in, or has something to say about, birds and bird-related topics. All postings are intended both to convey information and to stimulate others to ask questions, respond, join the debate. The goal is an opening toward genuine understanding of birds, ourselves, the world we share, and how we talk about these things, conducted in the finest tradition of civil discourse.? Thank you, and good birding! 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 15:13:50 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Beverly Choltco-Devlin via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 15:14:06 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo Vespucci In-Reply-To: <745ABCDF-AAB2-456D-959E-82943B41FEB9@gmail.com> References: <745ABCDF-AAB2-456D-959E-82943B41FEB9@gmail.com> Message-ID: I rarely post here, but would like to register my concern about the about overgeneralizations about different generations that seem to be occurring. Regardless of age or generation, we all share a common love of birds and the environment. It would be better if using that as a starting point. Beverly CD On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 2:21?PM Jr Mikulec via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I love taking conservation advice from the generation who oversaw this > decline: > > From stateofthebirds.org > > ?Three Billion Birds Lost > > 1 in 4 breeding birds have been lost from the United States and Canada in > the past 50 years. > 70 Tipping Point Species in the United States > > These 70 species have collectively lost 2/3 of their populations in the > past 50 years, and are on track to lose another 50% in the next 50 years. > Downward Trends Across the Board > > Birds across the U.S. show downward trends in every habitat except in > wetlands, where comebacks of waterfowl show the power of funding and policy > investments.? > > > Thanks guys, keep it up! > > > Sincerely, > > A young Birdwatcher > > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:57?AM, Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > ?I?m sorry, but I have to respond to these extreme statements. > > > No one who I know is ?okay with keeping others out in order to maintain > the status quo.? That inflammatory statement just doesn?t hack it in > reality. Just about all of us old white males (and there are plenty of > females) derided by Steve and Carmelo are in complete agreement with you in > wanting birding and birds to be open to anyone who shows interest. But I > guess you are just writing about bird names. > > My argument is entirely that changing bird names is the lowest-hanging > fruit that entails making no effort at all in encouraging others into our > world, while in fact causing chaos and confusion out of proportion for the > good it will do. > > For over 60 years, I have never done anything but encourage others to be > interested in birds and the environment, and I have never had any > indication that it was the names of the birds that kept anyone from that > interest. I still don?t think so, and I doubt very much that it was an > issue until you have raised and promoted it. You surely have a better idea > of the real reasons. > > As has been repeatedly said, why don?t you put your energies into making > the world a better place for everyone? I and so many others fail to see how > changing bird names offers any solution to that. Your arguments are > generic, very persuasive, but they don?t really present any evidence > relating bird names to sociological realities. > > Even worse, how dare you use the term ?racist? on any of us who believe > that bird names shouldn?t be changed? With your virtue signaling and > castigating of older birders and ornithologists, you are the ones causing > this rift in our community that may never be healed. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Jun 25, 2024, at 9:00 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Steve, thank you for taking the time and energy to highlight some of the > nuances and impacts of the continued opposition to the AOS name change via > Tweeters. To your points: > > In the op-ed > I > authored, many people were upset when I wrote: > > "As of now, the majority of birders are white and have fewer years ahead > of them than they do behind them. In a world of technology addiction and > rampant nature deficit disorder, can the birding community tolerate the > cost of remaining a Good Ol? Boys Club? Most importantly, can our feathered > siblings continue to bear the burden of human chauvinism?" > > I was called an ageist and a racist in the comment section for making > these observations but look at what demographic (at least on the Tweeters > listserv) has been most vocal in their opposition and resistance to change > (even though this isn't the first time there has been naming changes). > Also, look at how many announcements there have been on Tweeters in the > last 6 months alone regarding the passing of people in the birding > community. Who is going to stand in their place in defense of the birds and > the land if the community is pushing younger and non-white people away with > their own personal biases, resistance, and vitriol? > > Sadly, some people in the birding community are okay with keeping others > out in order to maintain the status quo. While there are a variety of > reasons why this is so, we must remember that while it is not always about > race, it is never not about race. Colorism and White Supremacy live in > every single person, regardless of that person's skin color or ethnicity. > We are all imperfect, with our own wounds, traumas, biases, and life > stories. > > We are only being asked to take a small step in a new direction. When you > had to start calling an Old Squaw a Long-tailed Duck, did you die? When you > had to call a Canada Jay a Gray Jay, only to later call it a Canada Jay > again, was your life ruined? Also, Audubon was the kindest person to birds, > even though he painted them beautifully. It will be okay. > > And if you are genuinely concerned with making changes that are going to > actually lead to morescholarship > , > funding, conservation, and inclusivity...will all of you who oppose the AOS > name changes instead support an effort to include Puerto Rico and Mexico in > the ABA Area? Would you use your contacts and membership in the ABA to put > this up for a vote and support it? > > Puerto Rico has been a U.S. colony since 1898. Puerto Ricans have been > U.S. citizens by birth since 1917. Puerto Ricans have fought and died in > every major U.S. military engagement since WW1, and they even fought in > naval battles on the side of the American colonists in the Revolutionary > War. The sole tropical rainforest in the U.S. National Forest System (El > Yunque) is in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico is home to over 300 bird species (18 > endemic), many of which we regularly celebrate witnessing in the > continental U.S. > > Mexico is part of North America, same as Canada. Portions of the historic > northern border of Mexico were as far north as some towns in Oregon. Why > does the Chihuahuan Raven count towards your Big Year total as long as it's > spotted on the northern side of the Rio Grande? > > Again, how many of you are genuinely willing to stand for a change that > would be more beneficial to birds and future generations of birders than a > name change? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on behalf > of Steve Hampton via Tweeters > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 9:35 AM > *To:* TWEETERS tweeters > *Subject:* [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts - from the thread Amerigo > Vespucci > > In the absence of any intervention by a Tweeters administrator, I will > reply. > > These posts against proposed bird name changes - usually with incorrect > information and speculation regarding scope, costs and benefits, and other > aspects - are inappropriate here and do harm to the birding community and > the use of Tweeters as representative of the birding community. > > Without trying to convince anyone why bird names (and organization names) > matter, I'll point out that they seem to matter to a lot of people. > Regardless of the rationale, there are three basic facts about this issue: > > 1) The demographic breakdown on this issue is stark. Most younger people > and people of color support the changes. Nearly all of the opposition comes > from white people over 65. This tells me, from a diversity, equity, and > inclusion perspective, there is a "there" there. We should pay attention to > why this is. > > 2) Due to historical biases and discrimination in opportunities and > privileges, the former group are the exact same demographics that are > under-represented in birding; and the latter are far more likely to be > today's field trip leaders, esteemed ornithologists, and conservation > organization leaders. This is evident and much has been written about it. > > 3) Having the latter group publicly dismiss the former group (on any > issue) is both insensitive and reckless when it comes to the future of > birding. Using Tweeters as a safe space for the latter group to openly > gripe and plan opposition is "gatekeeping" - public actions that preserve > the status quo and drive certain newcomers away. Intentions don't matter > here; impacts do. This is why so many younger people and people of color do > not participate in Tweeters, certain other social media groups, many > birding organizations, and their field trips. > > I'm dubious anyone will learn from this post, or be inspired to learn > more. And I'm dubious about my continued participation in Tweeters. > > I do wish everyone good birding, > > > -- > Steve Hampton > Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 16:07:22 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jane Hadley via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 16:07:26 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inappropriate posts Message-ID: Dear Tweetsters - I served on the board of the Washington Ornithological Society for six years from 2009 through 2015 and have been a volunteer in the organization since then. During almost all of that time, the board has regularly discussed the fact that the WOS membership is mostly older and white and that the board -- and the birding world generally -- should make an effort to diversify our membership. Countless discussions have been held about the need to attract and welcome younger people and people of color to birding. I believe everybody was very sincere about that. I thus find it painful that when those very people who have been so underrepresented do start to show an interest in birding and do say that they would feel more welcome if bird and organizational names were changed, there is a hue and cry against it. To change the names is not something that should be seen in a negative light but as something that could go a little ways toward the aims we have said for so long that we share: to diversify the world of birding. Jane Hadley Seattle, Washington -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 16:08:09 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Hank Heiberg via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 16:08:22 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Stillwater Redstart In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This morning we searched for the Stillwater American Redstart(s) by parking at Stillwater and heading out to an area near the Snoqualmie River using the co-ordinates given on eBird by other birders. We were not successful. The purpose of this post is to describe the conditions that we encountered. Once we got into the wooded area where the Redstarts have been reported the mosquitoes were so bad that we only birded for a couple of minutes before leaving. We wore long pants and coats with hoods. We used a non-DEET insect repellent. So we didn?t end up with many bites, but the mosquitoes were all over us. So annoying that we left. Neither we nor Merlin heard a Redstart during our brief stay. Good luck if you head out there. 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I think there are unspokenassumptions that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actuallyin play.?Economists, at least those ofthe Austrian persuasion, see their discipline as the study of things that aren?tapparent to the eye. That new Sports Stadium will certainly be good for theeconomy, right? But is that statement true?? Does the time spent on name changes really meanthere will be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spendmore or less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the WesternBlue Jay?? (I'm against that name change). Would a public controversyhurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t know these things,but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that assumes there will be lesstime and that the controversy would be damaging, or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even knowable. I personally believe a robustcontroversy in birding?that spills outinto the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break thewidespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way somethinglike watching Football is.?(I encounterthis perception at my store all the time.) I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimedin!? We don?t need to break up over this! ? Thanks all, ? Ed Newbold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Tue Jun 25 23:31:01 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Greg via Tweeters) Date: Tue Jun 25 23:31:17 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Zeiss factory service In-Reply-To: <641645777.1309828.1719346420034@mail.yahoo.com> References: <641645777.1309828.1719346420034@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had two similar positive experiences with my Zeiss. Cheers to Zeiss! Greg Pluth University Place Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2024, at 1:14 PM, Paula Crockett/Martin Gibbins via Tweeters wrote: > > ? Hi Tweeters, > After 24 years of nearly daily use around the world, my Zeiss bins had gotten out of alignment after a fall, the diopter knob was broken, and the strap rings were getting thin. I sent them to the Zeiss service center in Kentucky. In about a month, they came back as good as new. The bill was $264. I?m thrilled! > If you have older, high-quality bins that need repair, consider sending them to the manufacture for refurbishment. > Cheers, > Paula Crockett > Lake Joy, Carnation, WA > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 26 07:53:37 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Fleming via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 26 07:53:53 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Zeiss factory service In-Reply-To: References: <641645777.1309828.1719346420034@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello Greg; I have been chatting a little with Paula about this and it sounds good. I will need to send my scope eye-piece in soon to get it fixed as the O-ring finally gave out. I am sure the service will be excellent.. Cheers and Good Birding; Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 11:31?PM Greg via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I had two similar positive experiences with my Zeiss. > Cheers to Zeiss! > > Greg Pluth > University Place > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jun 25, 2024, at 1:14 PM, Paula Crockett/Martin Gibbins via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > ? Hi Tweeters, > > After 24 years of nearly daily use around the world, my Zeiss bins had > gotten out of alignment after a fall, the diopter knob was broken, and the > strap rings were getting thin. I sent them to the Zeiss service center in > Kentucky. In about a month, they came back as good as new. The bill was > $264. I?m thrilled! > > If you have older, high-quality bins that need repair, consider sending > them to the manufacture for refurbishment. > > Cheers, > > Paula Crockett > > Lake Joy, Carnation, WA > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 26 10:15:30 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 26 10:15:34 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77021ba8c38e4509a9defcfb0466c2cf@avocetconsulting.com> I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find some way to differentiate among them!! I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. Teresa Michelsen Hoodsport, WA From: Tweeters On Behalf Of Ed Newbold via Tweeters Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM To: Tweeters Tweeters Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! Hi all, Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very many situations. I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the time.) I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! We don?t need to break up over this! 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Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to make these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship and lack of support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the background (or leave the group altogether). >From Carmelo's Op-Ed: "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and resources > toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve clearly stated an > intention to actively involve the public in the process of selecting new > bird names, as well as including a diverse representation of individuals > with expertise in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and > taxonomy." These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. 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After the orchard, we took the eastern half of the loop trail along the Nisqually River to the overlook, then to the twin barns, the dike and then to the McCallister Creek boardwalk and back to finish the western half of the loop and the flooded fields. Duck species and numbers have declined and many birds are quieter now than in spring. Barn, Cliff and Tree Swallow parents feeding young were found, as were Cedar Waxwings. Other than a single observation of a Yellow-headed Blackbird, no unexpected species were observed, but there was an unusually large congregation of Double-crested Cormorants and Great Blue Herons on McCallister Creek. They were seen catching Skulpin and Perch, and may have found something else tasty in the creek. The complete list of species is as follows: Billy Frank Jr. Nisqually National Wildlife Refuge, Olympia US-WA 47.07225, -122.71205, Thurston, Washington, US Jun 26, 2024 7:57 AM - 2:58 PM Protocol: Traveling 5.01 mile(s) Checklist Comments: Mostly cool, overcast, and windy. Non-avian fauna seen includes, Long-tailed Weasel, Rabbits, Gray Squirrel, Chipmunk, Garter Snake. 59 species (+3 other taxa) Canada Goose 31 Wood Duck 12 Gadwall 9 Mallard 5 Hooded Merganser 9 Rock Pigeon (Feral Pigeon) 4 Band-tailed Pigeon 17 Mourning Dove 4 Anna's Hummingbird 3 Rufous Hummingbird 2 Virginia Rail 1 Killdeer 6 Ring-billed Gull 30 California Gull 60 Glaucous-winged Gull 1 Western x Glaucous-winged Gull (hybrid) 3 Western/Glaucous-winged Gull 6 Larus sp. 75 Caspian Tern 35 Brandt's Cormorant 9 Double-crested Cormorant 100 Great Blue Heron 125 Bald Eagle 40 Red-tailed Hawk 1 Red-breasted Sapsucker 2 Downy Woodpecker 4 Northern Flicker 2 American Kestrel 1 Western Wood-Pewee 10 Willow Flycatcher 8 Western Flycatcher 2 Warbling Vireo 4 Steller's Jay 1 American Crow 4 Black-capped Chickadee 15 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 6 Tree Swallow 50 Purple Martin 3 Northern Rough-winged Swallow 10 Barn Swallow 35 Cliff Swallow 35 Bushtit 2 Brown Creeper 5 Marsh Wren 12 Bewick's Wren 5 European Starling 150 Swainson's Thrush 43 American Robin 10 Cedar Waxwing 25 Purple Finch 7 American Goldfinch 18 Savannah Sparrow 4 Song Sparrow 40 Spotted Towhee 2 Yellow-headed Blackbird 1 Black bird with yellow head, white patches on wings. Red-winged Blackbird 40 Brown-headed Cowbird 15 Common Yellowthroat 25 Yellow Warbler 30 Wilson's Warbler 2 Western Tanager 1 Black-headed Grosbeak 2 View this checklist online at https://ebird.org/checklist/S183948222 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 26 20:42:48 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 26 20:42:55 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: <77021ba8c38e4509a9defcfb0466c2cf@avocetconsulting.com> References: <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814@mail.yahoo.com> <77021ba8c38e4509a9defcfb0466c2cf@avocetconsulting.com> Message-ID: <9A2A0A15-DC6D-4C1F-AA0D-46591E0DD42A@comcast.net> Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to you, Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a species from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly and damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, Somatochlora williamsoni. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, insects, plants, etc. I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of these dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, not a century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully chose to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who went into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to odonatology. It?s the same with birds. I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe it is exactly the same for birds. This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science? And from some of the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the names of the person being honored by the describer. So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends and colleagues. Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters wrote: > > I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. > > There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. > > I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find some way to differentiate among them!! > > I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. > > Teresa Michelsen > Hoodsport, WA > > From: Tweeters > On Behalf Of Ed Newbold via Tweeters > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM > To: Tweeters Tweeters > > Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! > > Hi all, > > Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? > > That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very many situations. > > I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the time.) > > I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! We don?t need to break up over this! > Thanks all, > > Ed Newbold -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 26 21:29:12 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Preston Mui via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 26 21:29:27 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: <9A2A0A15-DC6D-4C1F-AA0D-46591E0DD42A@comcast.net> References: <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1876473762.8743327.1719371017814@mail.yahoo.com> <77021ba8c38e4509a9defcfb0466c2cf@avocetconsulting.com> <9A2A0A15-DC6D-4C1F-AA0D-46591E0DD42A@comcast.net> Message-ID: Dennis, you seem to have simply missed the core of Teresa's point. The sentence immediately following: Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting > about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from > another bird. I understand that not all eponymous names are the person studying the bird. Whether the name is an honorific for the namer or someone the namer values is besides the point. Unless I have missed that the letters "ANNA" are printed on its tail feathers, "Anna's Hummingbird" tells a beginner nothing about how to distinguish an Anna's from another hummingbird. Preston Mui prestonmui@gmail.com http://prestonmui.github.io/ (425) 223-8450 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:43?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to you, > Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a species > from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly and > damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of > colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not > always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously > only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as > ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very > similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks > and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. > > However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about > Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common > names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of > these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's > names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, *Somatochlora > williamsoni*. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, > including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people > (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. > Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already > named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American > (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an > interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, > insects, plants, etc. > > I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of these > dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, not a > century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully chose > to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who went > into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and > described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it > weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all > of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the > fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A > much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher > or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the > describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to > odonatology. It?s the same with birds. > > I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about > them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has > the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no > other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three > eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species > and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we > would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people > all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were > "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an > Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 > species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but > a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The > individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe > it is exactly the same for birds. > > This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad > misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa > wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after > the person who first described it for western science? And from some of > the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of > the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described > the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person > (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the > names of the person being honored by the describer. > > So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I > can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with > respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who > has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know > very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been > collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this > talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer > ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us > our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends > and colleagues. > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. > > There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder > (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may > be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but > to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. > > I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its > range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much > from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first > described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is > for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us > something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us > distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, > which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with > names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, > churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys > and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find > some way to differentiate among them!! > > I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this > list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for > us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. > > Teresa Michelsen > Hoodsport, WA > > *From:* Tweeters *On Behalf > Of *Ed Newbold via Tweeters > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM > *To:* Tweeters Tweeters > *Subject:* [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! > > Hi all, > > Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we see > brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a > magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? > > That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and know > my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a lid > on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very many > situations. > I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions > that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in > play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their > discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new > Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that > statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will > be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or > less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the > Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public > controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t > know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that > assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, > or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even > knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills > out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break > the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a > birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like > watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the > time.) > > I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all > of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Wed Jun 26 23:21:12 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Roger Craik via Tweeters) Date: Wed Jun 26 23:21:17 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> All To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So just how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy new birding books. On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: > "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and > resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve > clearly stated an intention to actively involve the public in the > process of selecting new bird names, as well as including a diverse > representation of individuals with expertise in the social sciences, > communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." "These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in a way that is *inclusive and respectful to us all*. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same". -- Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 05:23:17 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 05:23:24 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Roger, I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response to Aadu's message. However, it is an operant example of being tone deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who oppose the AOS name changes have stated they don't understand why it's important (because they're only looking at it through the lens of their own personal experience). Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or justify it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not helpful. Regardless of what your intention was when you clicked send, it reads as dismissive of Aadu's message, while at the same time driving their point home even more. -Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Roger Craik via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding All To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So just how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy new birding books. Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: Hi Tweeters community, Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've met many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the odd one out in many of the communities I participated in. It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up and bird". I applaud folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up reasons why this is an important initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity and inclusion in the birding world. Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to make these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship and lack of support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the background (or leave the group altogether). >From Carmelo's Op-Ed: "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve clearly stated an intention to actively involve the public in the process of selecting new bird names, as well as including a diverse representation of individuals with expertise in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put into making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND retain folks from underrepresented communities. 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The marsh was very loud with Yellow-headed Blackbird vocalizations. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53816362344/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53816270988/in/dateposted/ Here is the photo album for the trip https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/albums/72177720318143179/ and the eBird trip report https://ebird.org/tripreport/253682 Hank & Karen Heiberg Issaquah, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 08:44:23 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Roger Craik via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 08:44:27 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> Carmelo Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of what appears to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS. Messing with either the nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you are going to subdivide a species, makes it appear that this is the case. If it walks like a duck... FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as an active participant or a lurker. There are occasional blowups on the listserv that can occur over controversial issues and unless things degenerate into ad hominem attacks they usually blow over. I guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only option. Maybe ""shut up and bird"" really is the way to go. Roger On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: > Roger, > > I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response > to Aadu's message. However, it is an operant example of being tone > deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who oppose the > AOS name changes have stated they don't understand why it's important > (because they're only looking at it through the lens of their own > personal experience). > > Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or > justify it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with > naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not > helpful. Regardless of what your intention was when you clicked send, > it reads as dismissive of Aadu's message, while at the same time > driving their point home even more. > > Carmelo > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on > behalf of Roger Craik via Tweeters > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM > *To:* tweeters@u.washington.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding > All > > To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln > > You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people > all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. > > Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along > with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So > just how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise > in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out > and buy new birding books. > > Roger Craik > Maple Ridge BC > > > On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: > > Hi Tweeters community, > > Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian > American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've > met many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of > birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the > odd one out in many of the communities I participated in. > > It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird > names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up and > bird". I applaud?folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up reasons why > this is an important initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity > and inclusion in the birding world. > > Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" > the communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to > make these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship > and lack of support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear > into the background (or leave the group altogether). > > From Carmelo's Op-Ed: > > "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and > resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve > clearly stated an intention to actively involve the public in the > process of selecting new bird names, as well as including a > diverse representation of individuals with expertise in the social > sciences, communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." > > > ?These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community > in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be > supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. > > I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put > into making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND > retain folks from underrepresented communities. > > Best, > Aadithya (Aadu) Prakash > -- Roger Craik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 08:47:55 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Hubbell via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 08:48:38 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Union Bay Watch } A Barred Owl Dilemma Message-ID: <4B7873FD-0F6B-4B5C-90A6-77210DD5FB23@comcast.net> Tweeters, This post takes a look at Barred Owls and the choices we are presented. https://unionbaywatch.blogspot.com/2024/06/a-barred-owl-dilemma.html I hope you find this interesting. Have a great day on Union Bay, where nature lives in the city and Black Birders are welcome! Larry Hubbell ldhubbell at comcast dot net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 09:00:50 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 09:00:56 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Roger, Therein lies the problem. You're asking to not throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the AOS name changes (change no names, only change some names, etc.), yet you want to conflate and dismiss every effort to make birding more just, inclusive, and/or equitable as "cancel culture" or "woke nonsense". One set of rules for what you want, a different set of rules for what you don't want, nothing changes, and you get to stay in your comfort zone. The world is changing. New generations are moving into adulthood. Do I think that these name changes are going to end racism? Hell no. Do I think that these name changes, in and of themselves, are the missing piece in getting more people to start birding? No. However, I know there are always people watching from a safe distance. In this case, young and nonwhite people who love birds and the outdoors, who want to join communities of like-minded people. When they see this level of resistance, ignorance, and vitriol, especially for something so trivial, they're not going to feel like it's safe enough to join the ranks. Nobody wants to be integrated into a burning building. The birds need more human allies NOW. If the birding elders don't do their part to call in the youth and prepare the younger adults for birding elder hood, the village will die off. Especially with all this tech that is keeping people from connecting with the real world. Is that what you want? Is it worth digging in your heels just so you don't have to put a few new wrinkles in your brain? -Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Roger Craik Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:44 AM To: Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding Carmelo Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of what appears to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS. Messing with either the nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you are going to subdivide a species, makes it appear that this is the case. If it walks like a duck... FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as an active participant or a lurker. There are occasional blowups on the listserv that can occur over controversial issues and unless things degenerate into ad hominem attacks they usually blow over. I guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only option. Maybe ""shut up and bird"" really is the way to go. Roger On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: Roger, I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response to Aadu's message. However, it is an operant example of being tone deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who oppose the AOS name changes have stated they don't understand why it's important (because they're only looking at it through the lens of their own personal experience). Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or justify it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not helpful. Regardless of what your intention was when you clicked send, it reads as dismissive of Aadu's message, while at the same time driving their point home even more. Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Roger Craik via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding All To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So just how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy new birding books. Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: Hi Tweeters community, Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've met many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the odd one out in many of the communities I participated in. It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up and bird". I applaud folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up reasons why this is an important initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity and inclusion in the birding world. Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to make these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship and lack of support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the background (or leave the group altogether). >From Carmelo's Op-Ed: "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve clearly stated an intention to actively involve the public in the process of selecting new bird names, as well as including a diverse representation of individuals with expertise in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put into making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND retain folks from underrepresented communities. 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A not at all rare Black-headed Grosbeak popping out of the bushes and bathing in the Cle Elum River. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53807782910/in/dateposted/?(video) Unexpectedly seeing an American White Pelican in a pond adjacent to Canyon Road as we headed south out of Ellensburg. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53811614699/in/dateposted/ Seeing 16 Yellow-headed Blackbirds rise out of the marsh in Rotary Park (Ellensburg) and then settle back down.? The marsh was very loud with Yellow-headed Blackbird vocalizations. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53816362344/in/dateposted/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53816270988/in/dateposted/ Here is the photo album for the trip https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/albums/72177720318143179/ and the eBird trip report https://ebird.org/tripreport/253682 Hank & Karen HeibergIssaquah, WA _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 09:17:36 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Diann MacRae via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 09:17:41 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Nothing to do with bird names Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 09:28:59 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Ronda Stark via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 09:29:14 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Kittitas County In-Reply-To: <155881081.6030886.1719504379376@mail.yahoo.com> References: <155881081.6030886.1719504379376@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thank you for sharing. I must admit when someone mentions Yakima Canyon and Kittitas County, I immediately think of my 2 favorite birds-- Swainson's Hawks and the Prairie Falcons that I believe still nest in the Canyon. Any thoughts as to why you might not have seen them? Ronda On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:16?AM nightwings406@aol.com via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > I enjoyed your pictures. Thank you. > Donna Ferrill > Snohomish > > > Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS > > > On Thursday, June 27, 2024, 7:59 AM, Hank Heiberg via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > This past week we spent a very enjoyable 3 days birding in Kittitas > County. Each day had birds and sights of interest. Here are a few of the > highlights. > > A not at all rare Black-headed Grosbeak popping out of the bushes and > bathing in the Cle Elum River. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53807782910/in/dateposted/ (video) > > Unexpectedly seeing an American White Pelican in a pond adjacent to Canyon > Road as we headed south out of Ellensburg. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53811614699/in/dateposted/ > > Seeing 16 Yellow-headed Blackbirds rise out of the marsh in Rotary Park > (Ellensburg) and then settle back down. The marsh was very loud with > Yellow-headed Blackbird vocalizations. > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53816362344/in/dateposted/ > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53816270988/in/dateposted/ > > Here is the photo album for the trip > > https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/albums/72177720318143179/ > > and the eBird trip report > > https://ebird.org/tripreport/253682 > > Hank & Karen Heiberg > Issaquah, WA > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 09:54:41 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jeremy Davis via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 09:54:57 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Very sad to see that Aadu is unsubscribing but I definitely understand! This whole discussion has been exasperating and disappointing. I wrote out a defense of the renaming effort half a dozen times here but figured it?s best to just leave the rationale out of it. I?m not going to change anyone?s mind. I just hope the renaming of species, and the broader effort to bring more people into birding and conservation, lead to even more advancements in our understanding of the natural world. Jeremy Davis Kenmore, WA On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:04?AM Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Roger, > > Therein lies the problem. You're asking to not throw the baby out with the > bath water when it comes to the AOS name changes (change no names, only > change some names, etc.), yet you want to conflate and dismiss every effort > to make birding more just, inclusive, and/or equitable as "cancel culture" > or "woke nonsense". One set of rules for what you want, a different set of > rules for what you don't want, nothing changes, and you get to stay in your > comfort zone. > > The world is changing. New generations are moving into adulthood. Do I > think that these name changes are going to end racism? Hell no. Do I think > that these name changes, in and of themselves, are the missing piece in > getting more people to start birding? No. > > However, I know there are always people watching from a safe distance. In > this case, young and nonwhite people who love birds and the outdoors, who > want to join communities of like-minded people. > > When they see this level of resistance, ignorance, and vitriol, especially > for something so trivial, they're not going to feel like it's safe enough > to join the ranks. Nobody wants to be integrated into a burning building. > > The birds need more human allies NOW. If the birding elders don't do their > part to call in the youth and prepare the younger adults for birding elder > hood, the village will die off. Especially with all this tech that is > keeping people from connecting with the real world. > > Is that what you want? Is it worth digging in your heels just so you don't > have to put a few new wrinkles in your brain? > > -Carmelo > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roger Craik > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:44 AM > *To:* Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> > > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding > > Carmelo > > Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of what appears > to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS. Messing with either the > nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you are going to subdivide a species, > makes it appear that this is the case. If it walks like a duck... > > FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as an active > participant or a lurker. There are occasional blowups on the listserv that > can occur over controversial issues and unless things degenerate into ad > hominem attacks they usually blow over. > > I guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only option. > Maybe ""shut up and bird"" really is the way to go. > > Roger > > > > On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: > > Roger, > > I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response to Aadu's > message. However, it is an operant example of being tone deaf. At this > point, several people on this listserv who oppose the AOS name changes have > stated they don't understand why it's important (because they're only > looking at it through the lens of their own personal experience). > > Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or justify > it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with naming the > impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not helpful. Regardless > of what your intention was when you clicked send, it reads as dismissive of Aadu's > message, while at the same time driving their point home even more. > > Carmelo > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters > on behalf of Roger Craik > via Tweeters > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM > *To:* tweeters@u.washington.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding > > All > > To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln > > You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all > the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. > > Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along > with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So just > how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise in > inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy > new birding books. > > Roger Craik > Maple Ridge BC > > > On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: > > Hi Tweeters community, > > Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian > American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've met > many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of > birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the odd > one out in many of the communities I participated in. > > It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird names > is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up and bird". I > applaud folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up reasons why this is an > important initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity and inclusion > in the birding world. > > Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" the > communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to make > these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship and lack of > support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the > background (or leave the group altogether). > > From Carmelo's Op-Ed: > > "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and resources >> toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve clearly stated an >> intention to actively involve the public in the process of selecting new >> bird names, as well as including a diverse representation of individuals >> with expertise in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and >> taxonomy." > > > These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in > a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be supported, > not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. > > I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put into > making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND retain folks > from underrepresented communities. > > Best, > Aadithya (Aadu) Prakash > > > -- > Roger Craik > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 10:03:48 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Steve Hampton via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 10:04:05 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> References: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg et al, Details on the AOS effort to change bird names are available and have been widely advertised in both birding forums and major news outlets (and Tweeters in the past). For an in-depth statement behind the reasoning of the proposed bird name changes, see this 32-page document, which are the recommendations from the Ad Hoc Committee to the AOS. https://americanornithology.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/1-AOS-EBNC_recommendations_23_10_19.pdf I was part of this committee, which was an 18-month process. The committee's task now complete, I am no longer involved in the AOS's implementation. There are actually 3 recommendations: 1) to change eponyms 2) to created a separate committee with experience in environmental education and outreach to oversee English names (not scientific names and not taxonomy) 3) to involve the public whenever a new name is needed The AOS embraced the recommendations with their own statement, which can be found here: https://americanornithology.org/about/english-bird-names-project/american-ornithological-society-council-statement-on-english-bird-names/ Their main website for this initiative is here: https://americanornithology.org/about/english-bird-names-project/ You'll see there are additional opportunities for public involvement, including offers to be involved in the future. A lot of the effort will involve volunteers. all for now, On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:57?PM Greg via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi Preston - > Many of the existing names of birds that describe some aspect of the bird > are not much help either. As a beginning birder in 1980s Rhode Island, I > could not distinguish the difference between Northern Waterthrush and > Louisiana Waterthrush. I needed a seasoned birder to show me the way. Many > species have descriptive names that are no help at all unless one reads and > sees pictures, as in the case of Red-bellied Woodpecker. I believe it would > be the same research no matter the name the species. > > While I appreciate what Teresa would ?like,? it is just not realistic. > Compare Gray-cheeked Thrush and Swainson?s Thrush (especially in the > field). Is the descriptive name of the bird helpful as opposed to the > eponymous? A tough one for a beginner. > > Anyway, I don?t believe the purpose of name changes has anything to do > with helping out beginning birders. > Louisiana Waterthrush reminds that a ?helpful? descriptor name begs > changing Nashville, Tennessee, Connecticut, Kentucky, even Canada Warbler. > > As yet, I have not seen the in-depth statement or reasoning from the > ?powers that be? that explains their intent. My sincerest hope is that we > stop this silliness, nip it in the bud (if we?re still at that stage?), and > save the wonderful birding community of yet unforeseen consternation all > around the world. > > Generally, I stand with Dennis Paulson. > > Greg Pluth > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Preston Mui via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > ? > Dennis, you seem to have simply missed the core of Teresa's point. The > sentence immediately following: > > Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting >> about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from >> another bird. > > > I understand that not all eponymous names are the person studying the > bird. Whether the name is an honorific for the namer or someone the namer > values is besides the point. Unless I have missed that the letters "ANNA" > are printed on its tail feathers, "Anna's Hummingbird" tells a beginner > nothing about how to distinguish an Anna's from another hummingbird. > > Preston Mui > prestonmui@gmail.com > http://prestonmui.github.io/ > (425) 223-8450 > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:43?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to >> you, Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a >> species from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly >> and damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of >> colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not >> always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously >> only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as >> ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very >> similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks >> and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. >> >> However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about >> Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common >> names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of >> these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's >> names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, *Somatochlora >> williamsoni*. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, >> including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people >> (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. >> Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already >> named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American >> (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an >> interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, >> insects, plants, etc. >> >> I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of >> these dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, >> not a century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully >> chose to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who >> went into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and >> described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it >> weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all >> of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the >> fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A >> much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher >> or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the >> describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to >> odonatology. It?s the same with birds. >> >> I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about >> them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has >> the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no >> other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three >> eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species >> and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we >> would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people >> all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were >> "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an >> Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 >> species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but >> a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The >> individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe >> it is exactly the same for birds. >> >> This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad >> misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa >> wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after >> the person who first described it for western science? And from some of >> the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of >> the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described >> the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person >> (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the >> names of the person being honored by the describer. >> >> So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I >> can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with >> respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who >> has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know >> very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been >> collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this >> talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer >> ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us >> our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends >> and colleagues. >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> >> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. >> >> There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder >> (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may >> be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but >> to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. >> >> I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its >> range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much >> from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first >> described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is >> for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us >> something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us >> distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, >> which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with >> names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, >> churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys >> and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find >> some way to differentiate among them!! >> >> I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this >> list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for >> us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. >> >> Teresa Michelsen >> Hoodsport, WA >> >> *From:* Tweeters *On >> Behalf Of *Ed Newbold via Tweeters >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM >> *To:* Tweeters Tweeters >> *Subject:* [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! >> >> Hi all, >> >> Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we >> see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a >> magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? >> >> That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and >> know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a >> lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very >> many situations. >> I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions >> that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in >> play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their >> discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new >> Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that >> statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will >> be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or >> less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the >> Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public >> controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t >> know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that >> assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, >> or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even >> knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills >> out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break >> the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a >> birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like >> watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the >> time.) >> >> I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love >> all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! We don?t need to break >> up over this! >> >> Thanks all, >> >> Ed Newbold >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- ?Steve Hampton? Port Townsend, WA (qat?y) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 05:32:53 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 10:10:04 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> References: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Greg, What if the clear intentionality of this round of name changes, along with the engagement of members of the public from various backgrounds throughout this process, yields common English names that are actually better descriptors of the birds? What if this time around, we can do better than Northern/Louisiana Waterthrush or Red-Bellied Woodpecker? What if this time around the naming is more distinctive than Gray-cheeked/Swainson's Thrush? What if you trust the process? -Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Greg via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:57 AM To: Preston Mui Cc: TWEETERS tweeters ; Ed Newbold Subject: Re: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! Hi Preston - Many of the existing names of birds that describe some aspect of the bird are not much help either. As a beginning birder in 1980s Rhode Island, I could not distinguish the difference between Northern Waterthrush and Louisiana Waterthrush. I needed a seasoned birder to show me the way. Many species have descriptive names that are no help at all unless one reads and sees pictures, as in the case of Red-bellied Woodpecker. I believe it would be the same research no matter the name the species. While I appreciate what Teresa would ?like,? it is just not realistic. Compare Gray-cheeked Thrush and Swainson?s Thrush (especially in the field). Is the descriptive name of the bird helpful as opposed to the eponymous? A tough one for a beginner. Anyway, I don?t believe the purpose of name changes has anything to do with helping out beginning birders. Louisiana Waterthrush reminds that a ?helpful? descriptor name begs changing Nashville, Tennessee, Connecticut, Kentucky, even Canada Warbler. As yet, I have not seen the in-depth statement or reasoning from the ?powers that be? that explains their intent. My sincerest hope is that we stop this silliness, nip it in the bud (if we?re still at that stage?), and save the wonderful birding community of yet unforeseen consternation all around the world. Generally, I stand with Dennis Paulson. Greg Pluth Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Preston Mui via Tweeters wrote: ? Dennis, you seem to have simply missed the core of Teresa's point. The sentence immediately following: Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. I understand that not all eponymous names are the person studying the bird. Whether the name is an honorific for the namer or someone the namer values is besides the point. Unless I have missed that the letters "ANNA" are printed on its tail feathers, "Anna's Hummingbird" tells a beginner nothing about how to distinguish an Anna's from another hummingbird. Preston Mui prestonmui@gmail.com http://prestonmui.github.io/ (425) 223-8450 On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:43?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters > wrote: Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to you, Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a species from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly and damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, Somatochlora williamsoni. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, insects, plants, etc. I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of these dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, not a century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully chose to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who went into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to odonatology. It?s the same with birds. I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe it is exactly the same for birds. This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science? And from some of the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the names of the person being honored by the describer. So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends and colleagues. Dennis Paulson Seattle On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters > wrote: I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find some way to differentiate among them!! I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. Teresa Michelsen Hoodsport, WA From: Tweeters > On Behalf Of Ed Newbold via Tweeters Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM To: Tweeters Tweeters > Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! Hi all, Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very many situations. I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the time.) I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! We don?t need to break up over this! Thanks all, Ed Newbold _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters _______________________________________________ Tweeters mailing list Tweeters@u.washington.edu http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 10:35:44 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Roger Craik via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 10:35:48 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Carmelo Speaking of "conflating" I just stuck with the one issue, "trivial" as that may be. It's a rather huge rabbit hole to go down when all the other issues you mention get placed into that pot. And therein lies the problem with this whole discussion on Tweeters, conflation. Conflation is a good way to hijack a discussion. I've said my 2 bits so on that note I'll leave the listerv to settle back down to its normal self. Roger On 2024-06-27 9:00 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: > Roger > > Therein lies the problem. You're asking to not throw the baby out with > the bath water when it comes to the AOS name changes (change no names, > only change some names, etc.), yet you want to conflate and dismiss > every effort to make birding more just, inclusive, and/or equitable as > "cancel culture" or "woke nonsense". One set of rules for what you > want, a different set of rules for what you don't want, nothing > changes, and you get to stay in your comfort zone. > > The world is changing. New generations are moving into adulthood. Do I > think that these name changes are going to end racism? Hell no. Do I > think that these name changes, in and of themselves, are the missing > piece in getting more people to start birding? No. > > However, I know there are always people watching from a safe distance. > In this case, young and nonwhite people who love birds and the > outdoors, who want to join communities of like-minded people. > > When they see this level of resistance, ignorance, and vitriol, > especially for something so trivial, they're not going to feel like > it's safe enough to join the ranks. Nobody wants to be integrated into > a burning building. > > The birds need more human allies NOW. If the birding elders don't do > their part to call in the youth and prepare the younger adults for > birding elder hood, the village will die off. Especially with all this > tech that is keeping people from connecting with the real world. > > Is that what you want? Is it worth digging in your heels just so you > don't have to put a few new wrinkles in your brain? > > -Carmelo > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Roger Craik > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:44 AM > *To:* Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu > > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding > Carmelo > > Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of what > appears to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS. Messing with > either the nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you are going to subdivide > a species, makes it appear that this is the case. If it walks like a > duck... > > FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as an > active participant or a lurker. There are occasional blowups on the > listserv that can occur over controversial issues and unless things > degenerate into ad hominem attacks they usually blow over. > > I guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only > option. Maybe ""shut up and bird"" really is the way to go. > > Roger > > > > On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: >> Roger, >> >> I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response >> to Aadu's message. However, it is an operant example of being tone >> deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who oppose the >> AOS name changes have stated they don't understand why it's important >> (because they're only looking at it through the lens of their own >> personal experience). >> >> Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or >> justify it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with >> naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not >> helpful. Regardless of what your intention was when you clicked send, >> it reads as dismissive of Aadu's message, while at the same time >> driving their point home even more. >> >> Carmelo >> >> >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Tweeters on >> behalf of Roger Craik via Tweeters >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM >> *To:* tweeters@u.washington.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding >> All >> >> To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln >> >> You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the >> people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. >> >> Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people >> along with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever >> reason. So just how many people are going to be really pleased by >> this exercise in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they >> have to run out and buy new birding books. >> >> Roger Craik >> Maple Ridge BC >> >> >> On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: >> >> Hi Tweeters community, >> >> Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian >> American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've >> met many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of >> birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the >> odd one out in many of the communities I participated in. >> >> It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird >> names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up >> and bird". I applaud?folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up >> reasons why this is an important initiative, and how it can lead to >> more diversity and inclusion in the birding world. >> >> Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of >> "terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have to put in >> serious work to make these communities "habitable" for them. But >> through censorship and lack of support from leadership, they often >> burnout and disappear into the background (or leave the group >> altogether). >> >> From Carmelo's Op-Ed: >> >> "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and >> resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. >> They?ve clearly stated an intention to actively involve the >> public in the process of selecting new bird names, as well as >> including a diverse representation of individuals with expertise >> in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." >> >> >> ?These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding >> community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They >> should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely >> stay the same. >> >> I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put >> into making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND >> retain folks from underrepresented communities. >> >> Best, >> Aadithya (Aadu) Prakash >> > > -- > Roger Craik -- Roger Craik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 10:42:50 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 10:44:45 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> Message-ID: >From unnecessarily replying to Aadu with Abraham Lincoln and "maybe 'shut up and bird' really is the way to go"...to taking your ball and going home. Safe travels. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Roger Craik Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:35 PM To: Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding Carmelo Speaking of "conflating" I just stuck with the one issue, "trivial" as that may be. It's a rather huge rabbit hole to go down when all the other issues you mention get placed into that pot. And therein lies the problem with this whole discussion on Tweeters, conflation. Conflation is a good way to hijack a discussion. I've said my 2 bits so on that note I'll leave the listerv to settle back down to its normal self. Roger On 2024-06-27 9:00 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: Roger Therein lies the problem. You're asking to not throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the AOS name changes (change no names, only change some names, etc.), yet you want to conflate and dismiss every effort to make birding more just, inclusive, and/or equitable as "cancel culture" or "woke nonsense". One set of rules for what you want, a different set of rules for what you don't want, nothing changes, and you get to stay in your comfort zone. The world is changing. New generations are moving into adulthood. Do I think that these name changes are going to end racism? Hell no. Do I think that these name changes, in and of themselves, are the missing piece in getting more people to start birding? No. However, I know there are always people watching from a safe distance. In this case, young and nonwhite people who love birds and the outdoors, who want to join communities of like-minded people. When they see this level of resistance, ignorance, and vitriol, especially for something so trivial, they're not going to feel like it's safe enough to join the ranks. Nobody wants to be integrated into a burning building. The birds need more human allies NOW. If the birding elders don't do their part to call in the youth and prepare the younger adults for birding elder hood, the village will die off. Especially with all this tech that is keeping people from connecting with the real world. Is that what you want? Is it worth digging in your heels just so you don't have to put a few new wrinkles in your brain? -Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Roger Craik Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:44 AM To: Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding Carmelo Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of what appears to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS. Messing with either the nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you are going to subdivide a species, makes it appear that this is the case. If it walks like a duck... FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as an active participant or a lurker. There are occasional blowups on the listserv that can occur over controversial issues and unless things degenerate into ad hominem attacks they usually blow over. I guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only option. Maybe ""shut up and bird"" really is the way to go. Roger On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: Roger, I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response to Aadu's message. However, it is an operant example of being tone deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who oppose the AOS name changes have stated they don't understand why it's important (because they're only looking at it through the lens of their own personal experience). Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or justify it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not helpful. Regardless of what your intention was when you clicked send, it reads as dismissive of Aadu's message, while at the same time driving their point home even more. Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Roger Craik via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding All To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So just how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy new birding books. Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: Hi Tweeters community, Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've met many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the odd one out in many of the communities I participated in. It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up and bird". I applaud folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up reasons why this is an important initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity and inclusion in the birding world. Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to make these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship and lack of support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the background (or leave the group altogether). >From Carmelo's Op-Ed: "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve clearly stated an intention to actively involve the public in the process of selecting new bird names, as well as including a diverse representation of individuals with expertise in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put into making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND retain folks from underrepresented communities. Best, Aadithya (Aadu) Prakash -- Roger Craik -- Roger Craik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 11:27:19 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Rick Taylor via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 11:27:25 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: References: <2a02c555-dc8f-4923-916b-ca07f6bca0d6@shaw.ca> <1c7a9c9a-53ec-4aee-9e22-ff8fdf8ebf72@shaw.ca> Message-ID: UNSUBSCRIBE Rick Taylor Everett, WA ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 3:12:50 PM To: Roger Craik ; tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding >From unnecessarily replying to Aadu with Abraham Lincoln and "maybe 'shut up and bird' really is the way to go"...to taking your ball and going home. Safe travels. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Roger Craik Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:35 PM To: Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding Carmelo Speaking of "conflating" I just stuck with the one issue, "trivial" as that may be. It's a rather huge rabbit hole to go down when all the other issues you mention get placed into that pot. And therein lies the problem with this whole discussion on Tweeters, conflation. Conflation is a good way to hijack a discussion. I've said my 2 bits so on that note I'll leave the listerv to settle back down to its normal self. Roger On 2024-06-27 9:00 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: Roger Therein lies the problem. You're asking to not throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to the AOS name changes (change no names, only change some names, etc.), yet you want to conflate and dismiss every effort to make birding more just, inclusive, and/or equitable as "cancel culture" or "woke nonsense". One set of rules for what you want, a different set of rules for what you don't want, nothing changes, and you get to stay in your comfort zone. The world is changing. New generations are moving into adulthood. Do I think that these name changes are going to end racism? Hell no. Do I think that these name changes, in and of themselves, are the missing piece in getting more people to start birding? No. However, I know there are always people watching from a safe distance. In this case, young and nonwhite people who love birds and the outdoors, who want to join communities of like-minded people. When they see this level of resistance, ignorance, and vitriol, especially for something so trivial, they're not going to feel like it's safe enough to join the ranks. Nobody wants to be integrated into a burning building. The birds need more human allies NOW. If the birding elders don't do their part to call in the youth and prepare the younger adults for birding elder hood, the village will die off. Especially with all this tech that is keeping people from connecting with the real world. Is that what you want? Is it worth digging in your heels just so you don't have to put a few new wrinkles in your brain? -Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Roger Craik Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:44 AM To: Carmelo Quetell ; tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding Carmelo Birding should be apolitical and not subject to the whims of what appears to be a cancel culture movement within the AOS. Messing with either the nomenclature or taxonomy, unless you are going to subdivide a species, makes it appear that this is the case. If it walks like a duck... FWIW I have been subscribed to Tweeters for about 25 years as an active participant or a lurker. There are occasional blowups on the listserv that can occur over controversial issues and unless things degenerate into ad hominem attacks they usually blow over. I guess if one can't agree to disagree then leaving is the only option. Maybe ""shut up and bird"" really is the way to go. Roger On 2024-06-27 5:23 a.m., Carmelo Quetell wrote: Roger, I'm not 100% sure what your intention was when you sent this response to Aadu's message. However, it is an operant example of being tone deaf. At this point, several people on this listserv who oppose the AOS name changes have stated they don't understand why it's important (because they're only looking at it through the lens of their own personal experience). Despite it not being Aadu's responsibility to explain it for (or justify it to) others, they have taken the time to do so, along with naming the impact it has had on them. Replying in this way is not helpful. Regardless of what your intention was when you clicked send, it reads as dismissive of Aadu's message, while at the same time driving their point home even more. Carmelo Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Roger Craik via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 2:22 AM To: tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding All To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln You can please all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot please all the people all the time. Sounds to me like there's going to be a lot of displeased people along with a ton of people who don't really care for what ever reason. So just how many people are going to be really pleased by this exercise in inclusivity and respectfulness? At least until they have to run out and buy new birding books. Roger Craik Maple Ridge BC On 2024-06-26 2:46 p.m., Aadu Prakash via Tweeters wrote: Hi Tweeters community, Longtime lurker, but felt the need to write in. I'm a 31 y.o Indian American who has been birding for 25 years. Throughout my life, I've met many wonderful people who have welcomed me into the world of birding/ornithology. But on the flipside, I have often felt like the odd one out in many of the communities I participated in. It's disappointing that the discourse around changing eponymous bird names is being shut down. Almost like we're being told to "shut up and bird". I applaud folks like Steve and Carmelo who bring up reasons why this is an important initiative, and how it can lead to more diversity and inclusion in the birding world. Many underrepresented groups are faced with the task of "terraforming" the communities they engage with. They have to put in serious work to make these communities "habitable" for them. But through censorship and lack of support from leadership, they often burnout and disappear into the background (or leave the group altogether). >From Carmelo's Op-Ed: "Human beings at the AOS have committed their time, money, and resources toward this endeavor for the last several years. They?ve clearly stated an intention to actively involve the public in the process of selecting new bird names, as well as including a diverse representation of individuals with expertise in the social sciences, communications, ornithology, and taxonomy." These people are actively trying to "terraform" our birding community in a way that is inclusive and respectful to us all. They should be supported, not shot down. Otherwise things will largely stay the same. I plan on unsubscribing from Tweeters and hope that the work is put into making this a more inclusive community that can attract AND retain folks from underrepresented communities. Best, Aadithya (Aadu) Prakash -- Roger Craik -- Roger Craik -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 11:38:55 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Fleming via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 11:39:10 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Nothing to do with bird names In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Diann; I agree with all you are saying and it would also help if Carmelo was not so rude to other members' opinions. Cheers and Good Birding; Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 9:18?AM Diann MacRae via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi, Tweets > > I promised my son I would not get involved in this discussion and I > respect Hal's wishes . . . so, this is not about bird names, but definitely > about some people's bias/predjudice in going on and on about the subject of > names etc., i.e.. putting blame on "older, white men." > > My son is older than Carmelo amd others, but he does not put down women > ever. As an "older white woman" why am I and others left out of the > continuting diatribes. > > Just because a lot of bird names don't start with women's names doesn't > mean women haven't been involved - aand contributed - through the years. > > Enuf said. Just curious. > > Cheers, Diann > > Diann MacRae > Olympic Vulture Study > 22622 - 53rd Avenue S.E. > Bothell, WA 98021 > tvulture@gmx.com > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 12:03:35 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Hobbs via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 12:03:52 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Marymoor Park (Redmond, King Co.) 2024-06-27 Message-ID: Tweets - We are officially in The Summer Doldrums. Combine that with the worst weather of the week, and it's no surprise we didn't see much today. It was dark all morning, with mist that progressed through mizzle, drizzle, light rain, and finally to just plain rain, before sequentially letting up. Highlights: Canada Goose - Pair with four still small goslings at the weir Caspian Tern - NINE at the lake Northern Rough-winged Swallow - One from the Rowing Club dock, our first since early April Yellow-breasted Chat - Heard pre-dawn, south end of the East Meadow; third straight Thursday for this pseudo-rarity And that's about it for highlights. The chat was silent and unseen when we came through the East Meadow in the rain. When I say The Summer Doldrums, I refer to the seven weeks in a row (starting this week) where we've had fewer than 110 species for each of those weeks, cumulatively over the years of the survey. The third week in July (Week 29) is the low point, with only 99 species. Not only do we have few species during each of those seven weeks, we mostly just see the same 50-60 species week after week. We *can *get a smattering of shorebirds in July and early August, and a few unexpected flycatchers, plus we get to see a lot of baby and "teenage" birds doing cute and/or goofy things, but surprises are scarce and rarities are rare. The other time we have fewer than 110 cumulative species each week is December through the middle of March, but none of those weeks are as low as Week 29. The highest cumulative total for any week is 153 species reported during the first week of May (Week 18). Misses today, in the rain, included Hooded and Common Merganser, Pied-billed Grebe, Green Heron, Red-breasted Sapsucker, Cliff Swallow, Bullock's Oriole, and Yellow-rumped Warbler. For the day, just 52 species, with nothing new for the year. = Michael Hobbs = BirdMarymoor@gmail.com = www.marymoor.org/birding.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 14:02:45 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Denis DeSilvis via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 14:03:32 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds available Message-ID: Tweeters, I'm hoping the Tweeters monitors will allow this posting. I have a complete collection of the Dover reprint of the Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds (see below, which indicates the original publication date by the Smithsonian Institution). All are in very good to excellent condition, and some have never been opened. I purchased several of these from the Scottish Ornithologists Club while living in Scotland, and some have been printed in the UK and some in Canada. All these volumes may be viewed online through various sources; however, these are printed works. Before I put the series for sale on eBay or Craig's list, I'd entertain a monetary offer for the complete set from anyone in the Tweeters community. As a small bonus, I'd include the Dover reprint of Andrew J. Berger's "Bird Study." If you're interested, please contact me offline at my birding email address: avnacrs4birds @ outlook.com (without the spaces (<:) ). Note: I also have the original published version (1937-38) (NOT Dover reprint) of the A.C. Bent two-volume "Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey," which I'm considering parting with eventually. * 1919 - Life Histories of North American Diving Birds (NMB 107) * 1921 - Life Histories of North American Gulls and Terns (NMB 113) * 1922 - Life Histories of North American Petrels and Pelicans and Their Allies (NMB 121) * 1923 - Life Histories of North American Wild Fowl (part 1) (NMB 126) * 1925 - Life Histories of North American Wild Fowl (part 2) (NMB 130) * 1926 - Life Histories of North American Marsh Birds (NMB 135) * 1927 - Life Histories of North American Shore Birds (part 1) (NMB 142) * 1929 - Life Histories of North American Shore Birds (part 2) (NMB 146) * 1932 - Life Histories of North American Gallinaceous Birds (NMB 162) * 1937 - Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey (part 1) (NMB 167) * 1938 - Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey (part 2) (NMB 170) * 1939 - Life Histories of North American Woodpeckers (NMB 174) * 1940 - Life Histories of North American Cuckoos, Goatsuckers, Hummingbirds, and Their Allies (NMB 176) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1942 - Life Histories of North American Flycatchers, Larks, Swallows, and Their Allies (NMB 179) * 1946 - Life Histories of North American Jays, Crows, and Titmice (NMB 191) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1948 - Life Histories of North American Nuthatches, Wrens, Thrashers, and Their Allies (NMB 195) * 1949 - Life Histories of North American Thrushes, Kinglets, and Their Allies (NMB 196) * 1950 - Life Histories of North American Wagtails, Shrikes, Vireos, and Their Allies (NMB 197) * 1953 - Life Histories of North American Wood Warblers (NMB 203) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1958 - Life Histories of North American Blackbirds, Orioles, Tanagers, and Allies (NMB 211) * 1968 - Life Histories of North American Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings, Towhees, Finches, Sparrows, and Allies (3 parts (volumes)) (Arthur Cleveland Bent and Collaborators, compiled and edited by Oliver L. Austin Jr.) (NMB 237)[3] Thanks, and may all your birds be identified, Denis Denis DeSilvis Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 12:23:40 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dennis Paulson via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 14:17:34 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: References: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Carmelo, I?m not sure why you and all the others who are so adamant about the value of the name-changing seem not to be considering the negative outcomes, which of course are the only reason for the pushback. I think few if any people are pushing back because they are uncaring, racist, old or white. We just see the downside of this action, not to mention that we can see much better ways to solve societal problems than by changing bird names. Perhaps you don?t adhere to the thought that with age comes wisdom. Experience and some insight certainly come with age. Bird names have been changed a few at a time over the decades I?ve been doing this, and the changes were infrequent enough that people were able to catch up, and new books and apps didn?t have to be produced every year. When Pigeon and Sparrow and Marsh Hawk were changed to Merlin and kestrel and harrier to reflect their commonality to Old World populations, that was logical and generated only a little confusion and grumbling. Are the revised books and apps and any other places bird names are cited going to say Black-cheeked (formerly Townsend?s) Warbler for a few years? If not, confusion certainly reigns, and if so, you haven?t got rid of the offensive name. I don?t understand how this is going to be accomplished without these outcomes. And renaming birds such as waterthrushes and Red-bellied Woodpeckers sounds like such a slippery slope that I sincerely hope you are not serious. What if you and one out of ten of your friends all of a sudden received a new name that was to be used from that day on? Dennis Paulson Seattle > On Jun 27, 2024, at 5:32 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters wrote: > > Greg, > > What if the clear intentionality of this round of name changes, along with the engagement of members of the public from various backgrounds throughout this process, yields common English names that are actually better descriptors of the birds? What if this time around, we can do better than Northern/Louisiana Waterthrush or Red-Bellied Woodpecker? What if this time around the naming is more distinctive than Gray-cheeked/Swainson's Thrush? What if you trust the process? > > -Carmelo > > Get Outlook for iOS > From: Tweeters on behalf of Greg via Tweeters > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:57 AM > To: Preston Mui > Cc: TWEETERS tweeters ; Ed Newbold > Subject: Re: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! > > Hi Preston - > Many of the existing names of birds that describe some aspect of the bird are not much help either. As a beginning birder in 1980s Rhode Island, I could not distinguish the difference between Northern Waterthrush and Louisiana Waterthrush. I needed a seasoned birder to show me the way. Many species have descriptive names that are no help at all unless one reads and sees pictures, as in the case of Red-bellied Woodpecker. I believe it would be the same research no matter the name the species. > > While I appreciate what Teresa would ?like,? it is just not realistic. Compare Gray-cheeked Thrush and Swainson?s Thrush (especially in the field). Is the descriptive name of the bird helpful as opposed to the eponymous? A tough one for a beginner. > > Anyway, I don?t believe the purpose of name changes has anything to do with helping out beginning birders. > Louisiana Waterthrush reminds that a ?helpful? descriptor name begs changing Nashville, Tennessee, Connecticut, Kentucky, even Canada Warbler. > > As yet, I have not seen the in-depth statement or reasoning from the ?powers that be? that explains their intent. My sincerest hope is that we stop this silliness, nip it in the bud (if we?re still at that stage?), and save the wonderful birding community of yet unforeseen consternation all around the world. > > Generally, I stand with Dennis Paulson. > > Greg Pluth > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 26, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Preston Mui via Tweeters wrote: >> >> ? >> Dennis, you seem to have simply missed the core of Teresa's point. The sentence immediately following: >> >> Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. >> >> I understand that not all eponymous names are the person studying the bird. Whether the name is an honorific for the namer or someone the namer values is besides the point. Unless I have missed that the letters "ANNA" are printed on its tail feathers, "Anna's Hummingbird" tells a beginner nothing about how to distinguish an Anna's from another hummingbird. >> >> Preston Mui >> prestonmui@gmail.com >> http://prestonmui.github.io/ >> (425) 223-8450 >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:43?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters > wrote: >> Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to you, Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a species from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly and damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. >> >> However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, Somatochlora williamsoni. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, insects, plants, etc. >> >> I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of these dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, not a century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully chose to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who went into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to odonatology. It?s the same with birds. >> >> I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe it is exactly the same for birds. >> >> This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science? And from some of the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the names of the person being honored by the describer. >> >> So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends and colleagues. >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> >>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters > wrote: >>> >>> I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. >>> >>> There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. >>> >>> I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find some way to differentiate among them!! >>> >>> I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. >>> >>> Teresa Michelsen >>> Hoodsport, WA >>> >>> From: Tweeters > On Behalf Of Ed Newbold via Tweeters >>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM >>> To: Tweeters Tweeters > >>> Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? >>> >>> That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very many situations. >>> >>> I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the time.) >>> >>> I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 15:21:01 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jeremy Davis via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 15:21:16 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Restricting Carmelo from commenting??? In-Reply-To: <268105352.9456441.1719525493499@mail.yahoo.com> References: <268105352.9456441.1719525493499.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <268105352.9456441.1719525493499@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I second Ed?s sentiment here, though I?m not willing to be as patient is he is. The veiled claims of white victimhood and faux persecution that I?ve read here the last few days was bad enough. But restricting Carmelo was a clear error in judgment and it?s one I?m not willing to overlook. I?ll unsubscribe via the online form. Thanks, Jeremy On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 2:58?PM Ed Newbold via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi all, > > A raging intellectual debate can be exhilarating. That doesn't happen when > the moderator unnecessarily takes sides. As I have said before, I have > great, deep sympathies on both sides here. > > If an eponymous name proponent had been disciplined, I would leave. If > Carmelo were to be disciplined, I would leave. > > Shockingly, the latter seems to have happened. > > I'm giving Hal, that amazing bird conservationist, birder, author, and > promoter of Birding in Washington, a week to apologize to Carmelo. > > > > Love you all, > > > Ed Newbold > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 16:25:27 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Nelson Briefer via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 16:25:41 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Restricting Carmelo from commenting??? Message-ID: Dear birders and hawk watchers and there is a world of difference between a hawk Watcher and a birder. And some birders who don?t understand the difference might be upset, yet at the same time will not participate in a discussion. There are many subscribers to this listserve and many of them do not contribute for whatever reason. I really do not care of the reasons. Also, I do not care if you drop out. I will not be sorry if you drop out. You do not matter to me. This does not mean that I dislike you or I am intimidated by your advances. There have been two people who are intimidated by some postings. Here is my solution to your program. Start your own birding group or website, with the people of your own culture. I am sure that your small group might be able to outshine or at least be interesting enough to add to the value of Tweeters. Let me put it another way, I do not dislike you, I dislike your thinking. Also, many people who unsubscribe, still pay attention to this Tweeters. Cheers- Nelson Briefer- near Seattle. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 16:26:02 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Barry Brugman via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 16:26:41 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: References: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've stayed out of this and just lurked, but Dennis's last comments make so much sense to me that I had to weigh in. Count this wise, old white man on the side of keeping as many names the same as possible, for the reason's given by Dennis. Barry Brugman Kirkland On Thu, Jun 27, 2024 at 2:18?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Carmelo, > > I?m not sure why you and all the others who are so adamant about the value > of the name-changing seem not to be considering the negative outcomes, > which of course are the only reason for the pushback. I think few if any > people are pushing back because they are uncaring, racist, old or white. We > just see the downside of this action, not to mention that we can see much > better ways to solve societal problems than by changing bird names. Perhaps > you don?t adhere to the thought that with age comes wisdom. Experience and > some insight certainly come with age. > > Bird names have been changed a few at a time over the decades I?ve been > doing this, and the changes were infrequent enough that people were able to > catch up, and new books and apps didn?t have to be produced every year. > When Pigeon and Sparrow and Marsh Hawk were changed to Merlin and kestrel > and harrier to reflect their commonality to Old World populations, that was > logical and generated only a little confusion and grumbling. > > Are the revised books and apps and any other places bird names are cited > going to say Black-cheeked (formerly Townsend?s) Warbler for a few years? > If not, confusion certainly reigns, and if so, you haven?t got rid of the > offensive name. I don?t understand how this is going to be accomplished > without these outcomes. > > And renaming birds such as waterthrushes and Red-bellied Woodpeckers > sounds like such a slippery slope that I sincerely hope you are not > serious. What if you and one out of ten of your friends all of a sudden > received a new name that was to be used from that day on? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > > On Jun 27, 2024, at 5:32 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Greg, > > What if the clear intentionality of this round of name changes, along with > the engagement of members of the public from various backgrounds throughout > this process, yields common English names that are actually better > descriptors of the birds? What if this time around, we can do better than > Northern/Louisiana Waterthrush or Red-Bellied Woodpecker? What if this time > around the naming is more distinctive than Gray-cheeked/Swainson's Thrush? > What if you trust the process? > > -Carmelo > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* Tweeters on behalf > of Greg via Tweeters > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:57 AM > *To:* Preston Mui > *Cc:* TWEETERS tweeters ; Ed Newbold < > ednewbold1@yahoo.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! > > Hi Preston - > Many of the existing names of birds that describe some aspect of the bird > are not much help either. As a beginning birder in 1980s Rhode Island, I > could not distinguish the difference between Northern Waterthrush and > Louisiana Waterthrush. I needed a seasoned birder to show me the way. Many > species have descriptive names that are no help at all unless one reads and > sees pictures, as in the case of Red-bellied Woodpecker. I believe it would > be the same research no matter the name the species. > > While I appreciate what Teresa would ?like,? it is just not realistic. > Compare Gray-cheeked Thrush and Swainson?s Thrush (especially in the > field). Is the descriptive name of the bird helpful as opposed to the > eponymous? A tough one for a beginner. > > Anyway, I don?t believe the purpose of name changes has anything to do > with helping out beginning birders. > Louisiana Waterthrush reminds that a ?helpful? descriptor name begs > changing Nashville, Tennessee, Connecticut, Kentucky, even Canada Warbler. > > As yet, I have not seen the in-depth statement or reasoning from the > ?powers that be? that explains their intent. My sincerest hope is that we > stop this silliness, nip it in the bud (if we?re still at that stage?), and > save the wonderful birding community of yet unforeseen consternation all > around the world. > > Generally, I stand with Dennis Paulson. > > Greg Pluth > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 26, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Preston Mui via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > ? > Dennis, you seem to have simply missed the core of Teresa's point. The > sentence immediately following: > > Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting >> about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from >> another bird. > > > I understand that not all eponymous names are the person studying the > bird. Whether the name is an honorific for the namer or someone the namer > values is besides the point. Unless I have missed that the letters "ANNA" > are printed on its tail feathers, "Anna's Hummingbird" tells a beginner > nothing about how to distinguish an Anna's from another hummingbird. > > Preston Mui > prestonmui@gmail.com > http://prestonmui.github.io/ > (425) 223-8450 > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:43?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to >> you, Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a >> species from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly >> and damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of >> colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not >> always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously >> only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as >> ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very >> similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks >> and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. >> >> However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about >> Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common >> names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of >> these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's >> names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, *Somatochlora >> williamsoni*. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, >> including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people >> (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. >> Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already >> named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American >> (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an >> interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, >> insects, plants, etc. >> >> I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of >> these dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, >> not a century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully >> chose to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who >> went into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and >> described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it >> weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all >> of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the >> fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A >> much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher >> or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the >> describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to >> odonatology. It?s the same with birds. >> >> I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about >> them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has >> the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no >> other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three >> eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species >> and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we >> would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people >> all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were >> "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an >> Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 >> species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but >> a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The >> individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe >> it is exactly the same for birds. >> >> This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad >> misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa >> wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after >> the person who first described it for western science? And from some of >> the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of >> the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described >> the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person >> (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the >> names of the person being honored by the describer. >> >> So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I >> can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with >> respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who >> has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know >> very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been >> collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this >> talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer >> ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us >> our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends >> and colleagues. >> >> Dennis Paulson >> Seattle >> >> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. >> >> There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder >> (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may >> be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but >> to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. >> >> I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its >> range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much >> from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first >> described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is >> for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us >> something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us >> distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, >> which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with >> names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, >> churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys >> and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find >> some way to differentiate among them!! >> >> I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this >> list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for >> us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. >> >> Teresa Michelsen >> Hoodsport, WA >> >> *From:* Tweeters *On >> Behalf Of *Ed Newbold via Tweeters >> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM >> *To:* Tweeters Tweeters >> *Subject:* [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! >> >> Hi all, >> >> Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we >> see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a >> magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? >> >> That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and >> know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a >> lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very >> many situations. >> I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions >> that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in >> play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their >> discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new >> Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that >> statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will >> be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or >> less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the >> Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public >> controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t >> know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that >> assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, >> or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even >> knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills >> out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break >> the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a >> birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like >> watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the >> time.) >> >> I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love >> all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 15:17:29 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Zora Monster via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 16:30:31 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! In-Reply-To: References: <170E5F97-5F7C-46FD-B4FF-3B2FE87994E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A50B41F-DE48-4595-874C-43C88DD7F303@mac.com> I must say this is getting tiresome. The way everyone is piling onto each other is, unfortunately, rather a common thing these days. The name changes will likely happen. Anyone with books can simply take a pen and add the new name rather than spend the money to buy a new book once it is published with the new name, as the identification and behavioral knowledge contained within will not change. Most serious birders have handwritten notes in their books, so it wouldn?t be such a big deal and might just help the person to remember the new name. I did exactly this when the mew gull became the short-billed gull, and it helped me to remember the name change, not to mention that I now have a book which has that name change documented. Electronic records will be updated. For those who have been birding for many years, those people may make changes to personal notes (notebooks, spreadsheets, etc.) in much the same way they may have made changes in the past. History is not being erased; with a bit of research people can still find out about those who advanced knowledge of birds and birding. As it stands, it still takes a bit of research to learn who Wilson, Swainson, Bewick, etc. are. Perhaps the name changes will cause someone (perhaps in this group) to write a history of birding. But Please can we keep this civil? Can we make arguments for and against without calling each other out? I know that civility is passe in certain parts of our society, but must it be so here? Zora Dermer Seattle > On Jun 27, 2024, at 12:23?PM, Dennis Paulson via Tweeters wrote: > > Carmelo, > > I?m not sure why you and all the others who are so adamant about the value of the name-changing seem not to be considering the negative outcomes, which of course are the only reason for the pushback. I think few if any people are pushing back because they are uncaring, racist, old or white. We just see the downside of this action, not to mention that we can see much better ways to solve societal problems than by changing bird names. Perhaps you don?t adhere to the thought that with age comes wisdom. Experience and some insight certainly come with age. > > Bird names have been changed a few at a time over the decades I?ve been doing this, and the changes were infrequent enough that people were able to catch up, and new books and apps didn?t have to be produced every year. When Pigeon and Sparrow and Marsh Hawk were changed to Merlin and kestrel and harrier to reflect their commonality to Old World populations, that was logical and generated only a little confusion and grumbling. > > Are the revised books and apps and any other places bird names are cited going to say Black-cheeked (formerly Townsend?s) Warbler for a few years? If not, confusion certainly reigns, and if so, you haven?t got rid of the offensive name. I don?t understand how this is going to be accomplished without these outcomes. > > And renaming birds such as waterthrushes and Red-bellied Woodpeckers sounds like such a slippery slope that I sincerely hope you are not serious. What if you and one out of ten of your friends all of a sudden received a new name that was to be used from that day on? > > Dennis Paulson > Seattle > >> On Jun 27, 2024, at 5:32 AM, Carmelo Quetell via Tweeters > wrote: >> >> Greg, >> >> What if the clear intentionality of this round of name changes, along with the engagement of members of the public from various backgrounds throughout this process, yields common English names that are actually better descriptors of the birds? What if this time around, we can do better than Northern/Louisiana Waterthrush or Red-Bellied Woodpecker? What if this time around the naming is more distinctive than Gray-cheeked/Swainson's Thrush? What if you trust the process? >> >> -Carmelo >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> From: Tweeters > on behalf of Greg via Tweeters > >> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 1:57 AM >> To: Preston Mui > >> Cc: TWEETERS tweeters >; Ed Newbold > >> Subject: Re: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! >> >> Hi Preston - >> Many of the existing names of birds that describe some aspect of the bird are not much help either. As a beginning birder in 1980s Rhode Island, I could not distinguish the difference between Northern Waterthrush and Louisiana Waterthrush. I needed a seasoned birder to show me the way. Many species have descriptive names that are no help at all unless one reads and sees pictures, as in the case of Red-bellied Woodpecker. I believe it would be the same research no matter the name the species. >> >> While I appreciate what Teresa would ?like,? it is just not realistic. Compare Gray-cheeked Thrush and Swainson?s Thrush (especially in the field). Is the descriptive name of the bird helpful as opposed to the eponymous? A tough one for a beginner. >> >> Anyway, I don?t believe the purpose of name changes has anything to do with helping out beginning birders. >> Louisiana Waterthrush reminds that a ?helpful? descriptor name begs changing Nashville, Tennessee, Connecticut, Kentucky, even Canada Warbler. >> >> As yet, I have not seen the in-depth statement or reasoning from the ?powers that be? that explains their intent. My sincerest hope is that we stop this silliness, nip it in the bud (if we?re still at that stage?), and save the wonderful birding community of yet unforeseen consternation all around the world. >> >> Generally, I stand with Dennis Paulson. >> >> Greg Pluth >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 9:29 PM, Preston Mui via Tweeters > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Dennis, you seem to have simply missed the core of Teresa's point. The sentence immediately following: >>> >>>> Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. >>> >>> I understand that not all eponymous names are the person studying the bird. Whether the name is an honorific for the namer or someone the namer values is besides the point. Unless I have missed that the letters "ANNA" are printed on its tail feathers, "Anna's Hummingbird" tells a beginner nothing about how to distinguish an Anna's from another hummingbird. >>> >>> Preston Mui >>> prestonmui@gmail.com >>> http://prestonmui.github.io/ >>> (425) 223-8450 >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 8:43?PM Dennis Paulson via Tweeters > wrote: >>>> Thanks for your thoughts, Ed, so important to consider. And thanks to you, Teresa, as of course you?re right about learning something about a species from its name. I have given common names to well over 800 dragonfly and damselfly species of the Americas, many of them coined with the help of colleagues. I have always tried to choose names that were descriptive, not always easy, as many species are extremely similar and differ obviously only in genitalic structure. No one has suggested a name such as ?Branched-hamuled Meadowhawk." I had to use geography to differentiate very similar species with different ranges, just as we?ve done with meadowlarks and wood-pewees and waterthrushes. >>>> >>>> However, some people have made major contributions to what we know about Odonata, and I felt obligated to recognize them in some of the common names, to bring forward a bit of the history of dragonfly study. All of these were given to species that already had one of these contributor's names in their scientific name, e.g., Williamson?s Emerald, Somatochlora williamsoni. Of a list of 847 species known from all of North America, including the West Indies, 163 of them (19%) were named after people (eponyms), and 70 of those species (8%) also have eponymic common names. Common-name eponyms were given only to those species that were already named after the person. I don?t recall the percent of North American (=Canada & US) birds that have eponymic common names, but that would be an interesting figure. Same with mammals, amphibians, reptiles, fishes, insects, plants, etc. >>>> >>>> I?m just presenting these figures to explain how the common names of these dragonflies came about, as these name were coined in the last decade, not a century or two ago. While thinking about common names, I purposefully chose to honor the ?heroes? of North American odonatology, the people who went into the field, collected specimens, brought them back to museums, and described them. We would know little or nothing about the species if it weren?t for these people, and it?s exactly the same for bird names. Not all of these people did all these things; some of them wrote books about the fauna that introduced professionals and amateurs alike to that fauna. A much smaller number were people who were very close (a spouse or a teacher or mentor, for example) to the person who described the species, and the describer wanted to honor them, even though they weren?t contributors to odonatology. It?s the same with birds. >>>> >>>> I?ve been active in collecting and preserving specimens and writing about them, and I?ve had five dragonfly species named after me. One of them has the common name ?Paulson?s,? but I made sure that my name was used in no other common name. I have named six species of Odonata, including three eponyms. Those names honor the three people who discovered these species and knew enough to bring them to the attention of the world. I repeat?we would know nothing about those dragonflies if it weren?t for such people all through history. Yes, the people who lived where the dragonflies were "discovered" may have known about them, but I have never found an Indigenous person who knew them as anything but ?dragonfly.? As many as 187 species of Odonata are known from a single locality in Peru, and no one but a caring and careful dragonfly specialist of today would know that. The individual species have to be made known through publication, and I believe it is exactly the same for birds. >>>> >>>> This is in part background to (hopefully) permanently eliminate a bad misconception that has been making its way through this discussion. Teresa wrote ? I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science? And from some of the messages, it?s apparent that that is a common belief. However, each of the eponymous scientific names was NOT the name of the person who described the species, although a very few common names do refer to such a person (usually when the describer was also the discoverer). No, these were the names of the person being honored by the describer. >>>> >>>> So these eponyms have nothing to do with self-aggrandizement (oh, boy, I can discover a species and name it after myself) and everything to do with respect and admiration and even love. Please bear this in mind, anyone who has thoughts about this issue. And please bear in mind that we would know very little about birds or any other organisms if specimens had not been collected and deposited in natural history museums. Please don?t use this talk about ?killing birds? as your rationale for cancelling the pioneer ornithologists. You are cancelling most of the people who have brought us our knowledge of the natural world, including me and so many of my friends and colleagues. >>>> >>>> Dennis Paulson >>>> Seattle >>>> >>>>> On Jun 26, 2024, at 10:15 AM, Teresa Michelsen via Tweeters > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I too enjoy the debate most of the time, except when it gets too personal. >>>>> >>>>> There is something I wanted to add from the perspective of a newer birder (I?m not, but not as experienced as many of those in the debate, or who may be deciding in the end). This concept is one that no-one has mentioned, but to me it?s important as, I guess, more of a naturist. >>>>> >>>>> I really enjoy bird names that tell me something about the bird, like its range, or preferred habitat, or coloration, or habits. I don?t get much from a bird (or any other species) named after the person who first described it for western science, although I do know what an honor that is for the person. Mostly I?d just like the bird names to help teach us something interesting about the bird, or maybe something that would help us distinguish it from another bird. As one example, the cisticolas of Africa, which were a particularly difficult challenge for us North Americans ? with names like rattling, piping, whistling, chattering, trilling, bubbling, churring, tinkling, rock-loving, tiny, etc. There are so many of these guys and they all look alike, you can almost imagine they were desperate to find some way to differentiate among them!! >>>>> >>>>> I hope that adds to the conversation in a positive way. I too love this list. I feel it?s impossible to avoid the topic but also very possible for us to consider each others? opinions without maligning the authors. >>>>> >>>>> Teresa Michelsen >>>>> Hoodsport, WA >>>>> >>>>> From: Tweeters > On Behalf Of Ed Newbold via Tweeters >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 8:04 PM >>>>> To: Tweeters Tweeters > >>>>> Subject: [Tweeters] LET'S NOT BREAK UP OVER THIS! >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Can we enjoy the wonderful intellectuality and energy of this? Can we see brilliance in the opinions we disagree with, and erudition and a magnificent opus of work from people on both sides of this debate? >>>>> >>>>> That last includes you, Hal, who I seem to be going against here, and know my hat is off to you for all you have done. But I don?t see putting a lid on all expression and passion by fiat as being good in this or very many situations. >>>>> >>>>> I also have a dog in this fight. I think there are unspoken assumptions that both sides may tacitly accept as true but which are actually in play. Economists, at least those of the Austrian persuasion, see their discipline as the study of things that aren?t apparent to the eye. That new Sports Stadium will certainly be good for the economy, right? But is that statement true? Does the time spent on name changes really mean there will be less time spent watching or saving Birds? Will the public spend more or less time actually getting to know Steller if his name is not on the Western Blue Jay? (I'm against that name change). Would a public controversy hurt the image of birders and consequently, birds? We don?t know these things, but we must not assume the ?common-sense? position that assumes there will be less time and that the controversy would be damaging, or that Steller will be forgotten, that those things are true or even knowable. I personally believe a robust controversy in birding that spills out into the public domain could be just what the Doctor ordered to break the widespread perception that it would be embarrassing to call oneself a birder and that birding is not an acceptable pastime the way something like watching Football is. (I encounter this perception at my store all the time.) >>>>> >>>>> I may have tipped my hand a little bit but I am not a partisan. I love all of you folks! Thanks to everyone who chimed in! 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In my mind, those sincerely interested in focusing resources on the wellbeing of birds and the places birds need want to grow the birding community and welcome more people, in part by actually listening when they talk about ways they currently are made to feel unwelcome instead of trying to silence them with, among other things, your age and experience. I don?t know if Steve Hampton is still here, but regardless, I?ll draw folks? attention to this publication on his excellent blog, the Cottonwood Post. (How Birding Can Save the World | The Cottonwood Post ) I?ll quote here, at length, because I certainly cannot say it better. His framing of this made me much less willing to stand by and make compassionate space for people who might be slower to come on side. On the topic of common arguments against changing common bird names, Steve writes: ?1) When society?s morals change, the present morals should not be applied to people of the past. ~ This is a white issue. By ?society,? they mean white society. Blacks have always opposed slavery, Natives have always opposed ethnic cleansing. We can debate how much white society has changed. What has most obviously changed is that now there are other voices at the table. These voices have grown up with different narratives about history and about how their families were impacted. 2) This is ?wokeness? and ?virtue-signaling.? ~ These are accusations by whites of whites. One doesn?t say a Black person is virtue signaling when they talk about police brutality. And one doesn?t call a Native woke when they talk about tribal sovereignty. No, woke and virtue-signaling are modern variations on ?n-lover? and ?squ*w men.? The use of these terms presupposes that the new initiatives are coming from white liberals. In fact, there are lots of people of color involved. 3) Competency and quality (for example, as a committee member) should always come before diversity. ~ This is insulting to women and people of color. It echos claims that underqualified people are given positions as charity, as ?diversity hires.? Women and people of color have their own narrative ? that they work twice as hard to get half as far. That they are, in short, often over-qualified. Diversity strengthens organizations so they don?t make the kinds of mistakes we are witnessing today, and also serve as inspirations to attract new people from across the demographic spectrum. Another version of this is to point out how accomplished and important the angry white men are ? that the bear has been poked too much, and thus the pace of change should slow down. Such arguments are both circular and ironic. The whole point is that there should not even be a bear. And if the bear is so angry about a symbolic measure, what about more concrete measures? We should all be on the same team, building a better world for birds and birders.? In this forum the negative consequence of confusion has come up. If I am weighing the negative consequence of an ebird update and the need to update guidebooks and any related confusion against the negative consequence of making people who want to be part of a community that supports birds and the places birds need feel excluded, I know which I?ll choose. I think the birding community actually is pretty nimble in this regard - I don't have the age (or the experience) of many, but I have successfully made my way through a bunch of lumps and splits in the past dozen years; and I've definitely seen those new names take hold, and take over. If you?re still reading, I?ll add three more things. First, I?m not a young birder, and I certainly don?t speak for them, but I will say: look around tweets ? the young birders mostly are not here, and they?re not at WOS meetings. After the past few days, their absence surprises me less and less. Second, for those of you who may be low-key (or all in) in support of changes to common bird names but don?t feel like being part of this conversation, I encourage you to visit the AOS site and register your support for and interest in participating in the name change process. We can be better together. English Common Names Pilot Project Interest Form (google.com) Finally, consider the whatsapp group Open Washington Bird Chat as an alternative forum for birdy discussions. Or let's make another more welcoming and more interesting space. Elizabeth McManus Olympia, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 18:06:31 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Hal Opperman UW via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 18:06:52 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] ADMINISTRATIVE - Inappropriate topic followup Message-ID: <2DC9531F-AD96-4FB4-9D31-6209EC0C1CF6@uw.edu> Two days ago Tweeters members were asked to drop the topic of bird-naming rights. That request has not had the desired effect. Despite allowing a couple more days for people to have another go-round with it to make adjustments, we remain in exactly the same place. Let me just reprint the message the administrative message first sent to the list on November 29, 2023: "Dear Tweeters, "The debate about renaming of birds has broken down into two camps, both of which have raised their concerns fully. "In the interest of preserving civil discourse, it?s time to call a halt to this topic before it reaches the troll farm level (if it hasn?t already). "Thank you for the many, many thoughtful comments, and for your understanding. "Good birding! "Hal Opperman (from the front office)? List administrator is a non-partisan position, despite some few members of both camps having let me know that?s not how they feel about it. My responsibilities are like those of the manager of a popular bar where all kinds of discussions take place, often among very opinionated groups of people. All of that is very fine and to be encouraged, in the interest of sociability. But when tempers flare between two opposing camps of hard-headed, thin-skinned folks, it is time for both camps to clear out of my bar and take their fight to the street. PLEASE DROP THIS TOPIC. NOW. REALLY. Hal Opperman Tweeters list administrator (with Elaine Chuang) From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 22:53:41 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Rachel Lawson via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 22:53:48 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Denis, Funny that you are getting rid of your old Bent books?I finally completed my own set just recently. I certainly don?t refer to them often, but I find out interesting things when I do. These days when I look at my over-filled shelves, I have to ask myself, is this book old and useful and cool, or just old? I guess I still find Bent useful. I hope all is well with you. I enjoy your Tweeters reports. Right now, Joseph and I are in Norway. Joseph is fishing for Atlantic salmon, and I am birding. I have seen a few new species, with Black Woodpecker, my most-desired world bird, at the top of the list. I was paging through my field guide yesterday and remembered you telling me about seeing Eleonora?s Falcon. It?s funny what one remembers! Rachel Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Denis DeSilvis via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:02:45 PM To: Tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds available Tweeters, I?m hoping the Tweeters monitors will allow this posting. I have a complete collection of the Dover reprint of the Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds (see below, which indicates the original publication date by the Smithsonian Institution). All are in very good to excellent condition, and some have never been opened. I purchased several of these from the Scottish Ornithologists Club while living in Scotland, and some have been printed in the UK and some in Canada. All these volumes may be viewed online through various sources; however, these are printed works. Before I put the series for sale on eBay or Craig?s list, I?d entertain a monetary offer for the complete set from anyone in the Tweeters community. As a small bonus, I?d include the Dover reprint of Andrew J. Berger?s ?Bird Study.? If you?re interested, please contact me offline at my birding email address: avnacrs4birds @ outlook.com (without the spaces (<:) ). Note: I also have the original published version (1937-38) (NOT Dover reprint) of the A.C. Bent two-volume ?Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey,? which I?m considering parting with eventually. * 1919 - Life Histories of North American Diving Birds (NMB 107) * 1921 - Life Histories of North American Gulls and Terns (NMB 113) * 1922 - Life Histories of North American Petrels and Pelicans and Their Allies (NMB 121) * 1923 - Life Histories of North American Wild Fowl (part 1) (NMB 126) * 1925 - Life Histories of North American Wild Fowl (part 2) (NMB 130) * 1926 - Life Histories of North American Marsh Birds (NMB 135) * 1927 - Life Histories of North American Shore Birds (part 1) (NMB 142) * 1929 - Life Histories of North American Shore Birds (part 2) (NMB 146) * 1932 - Life Histories of North American Gallinaceous Birds (NMB 162) * 1937 - Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey (part 1) (NMB 167) * 1938 - Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey (part 2) (NMB 170) * 1939 - Life Histories of North American Woodpeckers (NMB 174) * 1940 - Life Histories of North American Cuckoos, Goatsuckers, Hummingbirds, and Their Allies (NMB 176) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1942 - Life Histories of North American Flycatchers, Larks, Swallows, and Their Allies (NMB 179) * 1946 - Life Histories of North American Jays, Crows, and Titmice (NMB 191) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1948 - Life Histories of North American Nuthatches, Wrens, Thrashers, and Their Allies (NMB 195) * 1949 - Life Histories of North American Thrushes, Kinglets, and Their Allies (NMB 196) * 1950 - Life Histories of North American Wagtails, Shrikes, Vireos, and Their Allies (NMB 197) * 1953 - Life Histories of North American Wood Warblers (NMB 203) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1958 - Life Histories of North American Blackbirds, Orioles, Tanagers, and Allies (NMB 211) * 1968 - Life Histories of North American Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings, Towhees, Finches, Sparrows, and Allies (3 parts (volumes)) (Arthur Cleveland Bent and Collaborators, compiled and edited by Oliver L. Austin Jr.) (NMB 237)[3] Thanks, and may all your birds be identified, Denis Denis DeSilvis Avnacrs 4 birds at outlook dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Thu Jun 27 22:56:16 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Rachel Lawson via Tweeters) Date: Thu Jun 27 22:56:22 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, Tweeters, I meant that to be a private email! Rachel Lawson Seattle Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Rachel Lawson via Tweeters Sent: Friday, June 28, 2024 7:53:41 AM To: Denis DeSilvis ; Tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: Re: [Tweeters] Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds available Hi Denis, Funny that you are getting rid of your old Bent books?I finally completed my own set just recently. I certainly don?t refer to them often, but I find out interesting things when I do. These days when I look at my over-filled shelves, I have to ask myself, is this book old and useful and cool, or just old? I guess I still find Bent useful. I hope all is well with you. I enjoy your Tweeters reports. Right now, Joseph and I are in Norway. Joseph is fishing for Atlantic salmon, and I am birding. I have seen a few new species, with Black Woodpecker, my most-desired world bird, at the top of the list. I was paging through my field guide yesterday and remembered you telling me about seeing Eleonora?s Falcon. It?s funny what one remembers! Rachel Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tweeters on behalf of Denis DeSilvis via Tweeters Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2024 11:02:45 PM To: Tweeters@u.washington.edu Subject: [Tweeters] Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds available Tweeters, I?m hoping the Tweeters monitors will allow this posting. I have a complete collection of the Dover reprint of the Arthur Cleveland Bent Life Histories of North American Birds (see below, which indicates the original publication date by the Smithsonian Institution). All are in very good to excellent condition, and some have never been opened. I purchased several of these from the Scottish Ornithologists Club while living in Scotland, and some have been printed in the UK and some in Canada. All these volumes may be viewed online through various sources; however, these are printed works. Before I put the series for sale on eBay or Craig?s list, I?d entertain a monetary offer for the complete set from anyone in the Tweeters community. As a small bonus, I?d include the Dover reprint of Andrew J. Berger?s ?Bird Study.? If you?re interested, please contact me offline at my birding email address: avnacrs4birds @ outlook.com (without the spaces (<:) ). Note: I also have the original published version (1937-38) (NOT Dover reprint) of the A.C. Bent two-volume ?Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey,? which I?m considering parting with eventually. * 1919 - Life Histories of North American Diving Birds (NMB 107) * 1921 - Life Histories of North American Gulls and Terns (NMB 113) * 1922 - Life Histories of North American Petrels and Pelicans and Their Allies (NMB 121) * 1923 - Life Histories of North American Wild Fowl (part 1) (NMB 126) * 1925 - Life Histories of North American Wild Fowl (part 2) (NMB 130) * 1926 - Life Histories of North American Marsh Birds (NMB 135) * 1927 - Life Histories of North American Shore Birds (part 1) (NMB 142) * 1929 - Life Histories of North American Shore Birds (part 2) (NMB 146) * 1932 - Life Histories of North American Gallinaceous Birds (NMB 162) * 1937 - Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey (part 1) (NMB 167) * 1938 - Life Histories of North American Birds of Prey (part 2) (NMB 170) * 1939 - Life Histories of North American Woodpeckers (NMB 174) * 1940 - Life Histories of North American Cuckoos, Goatsuckers, Hummingbirds, and Their Allies (NMB 176) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1942 - Life Histories of North American Flycatchers, Larks, Swallows, and Their Allies (NMB 179) * 1946 - Life Histories of North American Jays, Crows, and Titmice (NMB 191) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1948 - Life Histories of North American Nuthatches, Wrens, Thrashers, and Their Allies (NMB 195) * 1949 - Life Histories of North American Thrushes, Kinglets, and Their Allies (NMB 196) * 1950 - Life Histories of North American Wagtails, Shrikes, Vireos, and Their Allies (NMB 197) * 1953 - Life Histories of North American Wood Warblers (NMB 203) (Published by Dover in two parts) * 1958 - Life Histories of North American Blackbirds, Orioles, Tanagers, and Allies (NMB 211) * 1968 - Life Histories of North American Cardinals, Grosbeaks, Buntings, Towhees, Finches, Sparrows, and Allies (3 parts (volumes)) (Arthur Cleveland Bent and Collaborators, compiled and edited by Oliver L. 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I will be in Bangladesh in January with Masked Finfoot as the target bird (which will take a bit of luck).. Thanks - and Rachel if you read this, I'm looking forward to birding with you when you get back from Norway.... Cheer and Good Birding; Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 05:54:21 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Jim Betz via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 05:54:31 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How can I "up my game"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a5ab9d9-88d4-428a-9063-a40635ced49f@jimbetz.com> Hi all, ? I need some help.? I often use eBird to look up "where are people finding birds" by checking recent checklists.? This usually helps me to pick a place in Skagit County where we live because I can see 'what's happening' quickly. ? However, what I've noticed is that there are lots of birders who are posting checklists with 2x 3x, and even more as many birds as I'm finding when I go to the same place at the same time of day. ? ===> So my question is 'what are they doing that I'm not'? ? Here is what I am doing.? I walk and stop about every 30 feet or less - and listen first and then try to spot the more nearby birds I'm hearing. When I get a visual I will try to identify that bird.? I -often- hear birds that I can't id from the song/call. ? I'm fairly new to birding - started about 5 years ago.? When I am on guided tours the guide -always- is way ahead of me.? My primary focus is getting pictures and I rarely carry anything other than my camera with long lens - but when my wife is with me she has her bins and that helps (some).? At least 9 out of 10 times I go out I'm by myself rather than with a partner or group. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ????? - Jim From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 06:10:06 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Rob Faucett via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 06:10:21 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How can I "up my game"? In-Reply-To: <5a5ab9d9-88d4-428a-9063-a40635ced49f@jimbetz.com> References: <5a5ab9d9-88d4-428a-9063-a40635ced49f@jimbetz.com> Message-ID: Hi Jim - short answer is ?birding by ear.? There will be many more reply and I?ll get to something longer. But that is really good, and fun!!, place to start. Happy to help further. Call any time! Rob ? Rob Faucett +1(206) 619-5569 robfaucett@mac.com Seattle, WA 98105 > On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:54?AM, Jim Betz via Tweeters wrote: > > ?Hi all, > > > I need some help. I often use eBird to look up "where are people finding birds" by > > checking recent checklists. This usually helps me to pick a place in Skagit County > > where we live because I can see 'what's happening' quickly. > > However, what I've noticed is that there are lots of birders who are posting > > checklists with 2x 3x, and even more as many birds as I'm finding when I > > go to the same place at the same time of day. > > > ===> So my question is 'what are they doing that I'm not'? > > > Here is what I am doing. I walk and stop about every 30 feet or less - and listen > > first and then try to spot the more nearby birds I'm hearing. When I get a visual I > > will try to identify that bird. I -often- hear birds that I can't id from the song/call. > > I'm fairly new to birding - started about 5 years ago. When I am on guided tours > > the guide -always- is way ahead of me. My primary focus is getting pictures and I > > rarely carry anything other than my camera with long lens - but when my wife is > > with me she has her bins and that helps (some). At least 9 out of 10 times I go > > out I'm by myself rather than with a partner or group. > > - Jim > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 07:37:18 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Mike Munts via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 07:37:33 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Little Pend Oreille BBS Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I did the Little Pend Oreille NWR Breeding Birds Survey Rout last week and just got all the totals done. This is a fun survey to do. With about 3500 feet in elevation range it has a wide range of habitats and thus birds. Overall it seemed like a pretty average count. Nothing too unusual or unexpected. The list is pasted below. Mike Munts Colville Canada Goose 16 Wood Duck 2 Ruddy Duck 2 American Coot 2 Mourning Dove 3 Turkey Vulture 1 Red-naped Sapsucker 1 Hairy Woodpecker 2 Black-backed Woodpecker 1 (Red-shafted Flicker) Northern Flicker 12 Pileated Woodpecker 2 unid. woodpecker 6 Western Wood-Pewee 30 Willow Flycatcher 2 Hammond's Flycatcher 8 Dusky Flycatcher 13 Least Flycatcher 1 Western Flycatcher 1 Say's Phoebe 7 Cassin's Vireo 4 Red-eyed Vireo 4 Common Raven 8 Black-billed Magpie 4 Black-capped Chickadee 21 Mountain Chickadee 11 Chestnut-backed Chickadee 4 Tree Swallow 2 Violet-green Swallow 2 Barn Swallow 1 Golden-crowned Kinglet 4 Cedar Waxwing 2 Red-breasted Nuthatch 53 Pacific Wren 6 European Starling 6 Western Bluebird 1 Swainson's Thrush 34 American Robin 23 Veery 1 Evening Grosbeak 2 House Finch 2 Cassin's Finch 3 Red Crossbill 36 Pine Siskin 22 American Goldfinch 1 House Sparrow 3 Chipping Sparrow 22 (Oregon Junco) Dark-eyed Junco 34 Vesper Sparrow 7 Song Sparrow 9 Spotted Towhee 3 Western Meadowlark 6 Red-winged Blackbird 7 Yellow-headed Blackbird 5 Bullock's Oriole 2 Brown-headed Cowbird 2 Brewer's Blackbird 3 Nashville Warbler 4 MacGillivray's Warbler 4 Yellow Warbler 7 (Audubon's Warbler) Yellow-rumped Warbler 21 Townsend's Warbler 21 Wilson's Warbler 2 Western Tanager 45 Black-headed Grosbeak 4 Total Species: 64 Total Individuals: 580 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 07:47:40 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Michael Fleming via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 07:47:54 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How can I "up my game"? In-Reply-To: References: <5a5ab9d9-88d4-428a-9063-a40635ced49f@jimbetz.com> Message-ID: Hello; Rob is definitely spot on regarding this. Birding by ear is a big advantage, it just takes a little time and practice to get there. If you have a particular spot you like to bird (mine was Discovery Park) and learn the birds and calls of that area you will find that this will translate into recognizing these birds in other areas you visit. This was stressed in the Master Birder Program that I participated in, and I relied a lot on it when I was leading birding trips for Discovery Park and WOS. Cheers and Good Birding; Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 6:10?AM Rob Faucett via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi Jim - short answer is ?birding by ear.? > > There will be many more reply and I?ll get to something longer. But that > is really good, and fun!!, place to start. > > Happy to help further. Call any time! > > Rob > > ? > Rob Faucett > +1(206) 619-5569 > robfaucett@mac.com > Seattle, WA 98105 > > > On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:54?AM, Jim Betz via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > > > ?Hi all, > > > > > > I need some help. I often use eBird to look up "where are people > finding birds" by > > > > checking recent checklists. This usually helps me to pick a place in > Skagit County > > > > where we live because I can see 'what's happening' quickly. > > > > However, what I've noticed is that there are lots of birders who are > posting > > > > checklists with 2x 3x, and even more as many birds as I'm finding when I > > > > go to the same place at the same time of day. > > > > > > ===> So my question is 'what are they doing that I'm not'? > > > > > > Here is what I am doing. I walk and stop about every 30 feet or less > - and listen > > > > first and then try to spot the more nearby birds I'm hearing. When I get > a visual I > > > > will try to identify that bird. I -often- hear birds that I can't id > from the song/call. > > > > I'm fairly new to birding - started about 5 years ago. When I am on > guided tours > > > > the guide -always- is way ahead of me. My primary focus is getting > pictures and I > > > > rarely carry anything other than my camera with long lens - but when my > wife is > > > > with me she has her bins and that helps (some). At least 9 out of 10 > times I go > > > > out I'm by myself rather than with a partner or group. > > > > - Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Tweeters mailing list > > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 08:09:17 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Heather Gervais via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 08:09:53 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How can I "up my game"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 08:17:54 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Mark Walton via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 08:18:07 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How can I "up my game"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can't claim to have expert skills but I can tell you what I do for "heard only" birds: I report the minimum number that can account for what I heard. If I hear two singing simultaneously, I report two. If I hear a bird sing to the left and then -- a second or later -- I hear one of the same species singing distantly to the right, then I count two. Similarly, if I hear one that sounds very close and then I barely hear one in the distance, it seems reasonable to report two. I'm sure that, when birding by ear, I miss many birds -- but that's also true if I only consider birds that I saw. For every fox sparrow that I see, there may be 3 or 4 more foraging deep underneath a bush that I never detect. Ar Aoine 28 Meith 2024 ag 08:10, scr?obh Heather Gervais via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu>: > Question for the birding by ear folks that post their sightings to eBird: > do you go by ear in making your counts? I'm really enjoying improving my > ear skills, but couldn't imagine being able to determine the number of > individuals by ear alone. Especially as in learning that in many species, > only the males sing. > > Peace, > Heather > > Heather Gervais > Certified Personal Trainer > Fitness Instructor > Spanish Interpreter > Good person > > ?Be the change you wish to see in the world.? > - Mahatma Gandhi > > Message sent from my iPhone. Please excuse its brevity and occasional > typos. > > > On Jun 28, 2024, at 7:48?AM, Michael Fleming via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > ? > Hello; > > Rob is definitely spot on regarding this. Birding by ear is a big > advantage, it just takes a little time and practice to get there. If you > have a particular spot you like to bird (mine was Discovery Park) and learn > the birds and calls of that area you will find that this will translate > into recognizing these birds in other areas you visit. This was stressed > in the Master Birder Program that I participated in, and I relied a lot on > it when I was leading birding trips for Discovery Park and WOS. > > Cheers and Good Birding; > > Michael Fleming > Ballard, Washington > MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 6:10?AM Rob Faucett via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Jim - short answer is ?birding by ear.? >> >> There will be many more reply and I?ll get to something longer. But that >> is really good, and fun!!, place to start. >> >> Happy to help further. Call any time! >> >> Rob >> >> ? >> Rob Faucett >> +1(206) 619-5569 >> robfaucett@mac.com >> Seattle, WA 98105 >> >> > On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:54?AM, Jim Betz via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> > >> > ?Hi all, >> > >> > >> > I need some help. I often use eBird to look up "where are people >> finding birds" by >> > >> > checking recent checklists. This usually helps me to pick a place in >> Skagit County >> > >> > where we live because I can see 'what's happening' quickly. >> > >> > However, what I've noticed is that there are lots of birders who are >> posting >> > >> > checklists with 2x 3x, and even more as many birds as I'm finding when I >> > >> > go to the same place at the same time of day. >> > >> > >> > ===> So my question is 'what are they doing that I'm not'? >> > >> > >> > Here is what I am doing. I walk and stop about every 30 feet or less >> - and listen >> > >> > first and then try to spot the more nearby birds I'm hearing. 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URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Fri Jun 28 08:53:18 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Steve Loitz via Tweeters) Date: Fri Jun 28 08:53:31 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] How can I "up my game"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heather, I often, but not always, rely on voice only for IDs. It depends on my confidence in IDing a given species by voice only. For example (off the top of my head/birds I've IDd by voice in the past couple weeks), I am very confident IDing the songs and/or calls of a Hermit Thrush, Western (fka Pacific-slope) Flycatcher, Willow Flycatcher, Song Sparrow, Black-headed Grosbeak, Spotted Towhee, Western Wood Pewee, Sora, White-crowned Sparrow, Olive-sided Flycatcher, Kildeer, Wilson's Snipe, Belted Kingfisher, Yellow Warbler, Townsend's Warbler, Lazuli Bunting, Warbling Vireo, Cassin's Vireo and many more. OTOH, I have difficulty distinguishing voicings of some species, e.g., Purple Finch vs. Cassin's Finch, thus I need to confirm those by sight. And sometimes I hear a song or call that makes me shrug my shoulders. IME, it helps to have more than one set of trained ears. Also, there are different dialects, e.g., Spotted Towhees have a different set of calls E of the Cascade crest, and that can result in confusion when birding in unfamiliar territory. Birding by ear has tracked on a lifelong learning curve for me. Final thought: The Merlin app is a great learning tool, but it *only provides suggestions and sometimes is incorrect*. My Merlin app has erroneously IDd a Yellow-breasted Chat as a Northern Mockingbird or a Dickcissel, it often mixes a PUFI for a CAFI and vice versa, etc., etc. Happy birding by voice, Steve Loitz Ellensburg WA On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 8:10?AM Heather Gervais via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Question for the birding by ear folks that post their sightings to eBird: > do you go by ear in making your counts? I'm really enjoying improving my > ear skills, but couldn't imagine being able to determine the number of > individuals by ear alone. Especially as in learning that in many species, > only the males sing. > > Peace, > Heather > > Heather Gervais > Certified Personal Trainer > Fitness Instructor > Spanish Interpreter > Good person > > ?Be the change you wish to see in the world.? > - Mahatma Gandhi > > Message sent from my iPhone. Please excuse its brevity and occasional > typos. > > > On Jun 28, 2024, at 7:48?AM, Michael Fleming via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > ? > Hello; > > Rob is definitely spot on regarding this. Birding by ear is a big > advantage, it just takes a little time and practice to get there. If you > have a particular spot you like to bird (mine was Discovery Park) and learn > the birds and calls of that area you will find that this will translate > into recognizing these birds in other areas you visit. This was stressed > in the Master Birder Program that I participated in, and I relied a lot on > it when I was leading birding trips for Discovery Park and WOS. > > Cheers and Good Birding; > > Michael Fleming > Ballard, Washington > MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com > > > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 6:10?AM Rob Faucett via Tweeters < > tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Jim - short answer is ?birding by ear.? >> >> There will be many more reply and I?ll get to something longer. But that >> is really good, and fun!!, place to start. >> >> Happy to help further. Call any time! >> >> Rob >> >> ? >> Rob Faucett >> +1(206) 619-5569 >> robfaucett@mac.com >> Seattle, WA 98105 >> >> > On Jun 28, 2024, at 5:54?AM, Jim Betz via Tweeters < >> tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> > >> > ?Hi all, >> > >> > >> > I need some help. I often use eBird to look up "where are people >> finding birds" by >> > >> > checking recent checklists. This usually helps me to pick a place in >> Skagit County >> > >> > where we live because I can see 'what's happening' quickly. >> > >> > However, what I've noticed is that there are lots of birders who are >> posting >> > >> > checklists with 2x 3x, and even more as many birds as I'm finding when I >> > >> > go to the same place at the same time of day. >> > >> > >> > ===> So my question is 'what are they doing that I'm not'? >> > >> > >> > Here is what I am doing. I walk and stop about every 30 feet or less >> - and listen >> > >> > first and then try to spot the more nearby birds I'm hearing. When I >> get a visual I >> > >> > will try to identify that bird. I -often- hear birds that I can't id >> from the song/call. >> > >> > I'm fairly new to birding - started about 5 years ago. When I am on >> guided tours >> > >> > the guide -always- is way ahead of me. My primary focus is getting >> pictures and I >> > >> > rarely carry anything other than my camera with long lens - but when my >> wife is >> > >> > with me she has her bins and that helps (some). At least 9 out of 10 >> times I go >> > >> > out I'm by myself rather than with a partner or group. >> > >> > - Jim >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Tweeters mailing list >> > Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> _______________________________________________ >> Tweeters mailing list >> Tweeters@u.washington.edu >> http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -- Steve Loitz Ellensburg, WA steveloitz@gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It shed some light on scientific communities' culture and practice, balancing out the more pop cultural portrayal of ornithologists in what I believe was the Seattle Times Op-Ed. As this is the only Bird-related list/forum in my life, I'm glad a little bit of discussion is possible. I also thought I would note that in my corner of the Birding world, the bigger debate on Attracting Newbies to Birding by modifying bird names is whether a.) to expunge, or b.) to increase the use of words like bush, tit, rump, etc. in birds' names. On one hand, it's awkward to emerge from the shrubbery at the park with a big honking pair of porro-prism 10X50s in hand and have to tell a warily-inquiring jogger that you were just checking out a beautiful pair of Yellow Rumps. On the other hand, children, youths, and many adults too are captivated by each and every apparent reference to Avian Unmentionables made by the serious birder. For me personally, it is this latter argument that carries the day --at a minimum for the positive impacts it will have on folks' Birding Trip Slideshows, and maximally because Children Are Our Future, and in the Anthropocene that means birds' futures too. So when the dusty names of Rudyard Sapsucker and Donnie Ruddyduck are struck from the rolls, my strong suggestion is to replace them with sophomoric argot from a diversity of cultures that will delight the children in all of us. This form of humor is universal across cultures, and I'm positive Jack Swainson himself would doff his pith helmet, throw an arm around his heavily-burdened and malarial graduate assistant, hoist a Gordon's high, and join in the call to "Make Birding More Ribald!" Happy Birding, Ben -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 14:19:38 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Heather Gervais via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 14:20:13 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Inclusion in Birding In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Ben! I hadn't thought of this. I wholeheartedly agree! ? Peace, Heather Heather Gervais Certified Personal Trainer Fitness Instructor Spanish Interpreter Good person ?Be the change you wish to see in the world.? - Mahatma Gandhi Message sent from my iPhone. Please excuse its brevity and occasional typos. > On Jun 28, 2024, at 4:10?PM, Benjamin Menzies via Tweeters wrote: > > ? > Hi All, > With apologies to those who are ready to get back to strictly birds, I wanted to note that I did appreciate those who took the time to write thoughtful responses to the issues raised by the AOS and by the petition against bid name changes. This prompted me to read and think further past the headlines than I had. I would love to see an essay-length version of the post on the naming of dragonflies published. It shed some light on scientific communities' culture and practice, balancing out the more pop cultural portrayal of ornithologists in what I believe was the Seattle Times Op-Ed. As this is the only Bird-related list/forum in my life, I'm glad a little bit of discussion is possible. > > I also thought I would note that in my corner of the Birding world, the bigger debate on Attracting Newbies to Birding by modifying bird names is whether a.) to expunge, or b.) to increase the use of words like bush, tit, rump, etc. in birds' names. On one hand, it's awkward to emerge from the shrubbery at the park with a big honking pair of porro-prism 10X50s in hand and have to tell a warily-inquiring jogger that you were just checking out a beautiful pair of Yellow Rumps. On the other hand, children, youths, and many adults too are captivated by each and every apparent reference to Avian Unmentionables made by the serious birder. For me personally, it is this latter argument that carries the day --at a minimum for the positive impacts it will have on folks' Birding Trip Slideshows, and maximally because Children Are Our Future, and in the Anthropocene that means birds' futures too. > > So when the dusty names of Rudyard Sapsucker and Donnie Ruddyduck are struck from the rolls, my strong suggestion is to replace them with sophomoric argot from a diversity of cultures that will delight the children in all of us. This form of humor is universal across cultures, and I'm positive Jack Swainson himself would doff his pith helmet, throw an arm around his heavily-burdened and malarial graduate assistant, hoist a Gordon's high, and join in the call to "Make Birding More Ribald!" > > Happy Birding, > Ben > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 15:21:29 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 15:21:33 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Mapping Safe Havens: Alas Seguras Will Help Protect Migratory Birds | Audubon Message-ID: <80889A98-6B44-4E4A-B6E0-AF59AB04601D@gmail.com> https://www.audubon.org/news/mapping-safe-havens-alas-seguras-will-help-protect-migratory-birds Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 15:25:17 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 15:25:21 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Florida's balloon ban will protect sea turtles, birds and other marine life | The Independent Message-ID: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/florida-ap-ron-desantis-tallahassee-oceana-b2569513.html Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 15:29:59 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 15:30:02 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?Good_news=2C_Great_policy=3A_=E2=80=9CTo_hel?= =?utf-8?q?p_protect_wildlife=2C_Illinois=27_Kane_County_Forest_Preserve_D?= =?utf-8?q?istrict_adopts_new_policy_to_fight_light_pollution=E2=80=9D?= Message-ID: <6D3BFB6D-3836-4ADC-9CB0-A6C60D91AFDF@gmail.com> https://phys.org/news/2024-06-wildlife-illinois-kane-county-forest.html Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 15:34:43 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 15:34:47 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] Can the Greater Sage-Grouse Be Kept Off the Endangered Species List? | Audubon Message-ID: https://www.audubon.org/news/can-greater-sage-grouse-be-kept-endangered-species-list Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 15:36:40 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 15:36:45 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] New Study: Neonicotinoids Found to Drive Butterfly Declines More Than Any Other Environmental Variable - American Bird Conservancy Message-ID: https://abcbirds.org/news/new-study-neonicotinoids-found-to-drive-butterfly-declines-more-than-any-other-environmental-variable/ Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 15:39:32 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Dan Reiff via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 15:39:36 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] =?utf-8?q?More_good_news=3A_=E2=80=9C1=2E1_Million_Acr?= =?utf-8?q?es_in_California_Protected_from_Dangerous_=E2=80=98Neonic?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=99_Insecticides_-_American_Bird_Conservancy=E2=80=9D?= Message-ID: https://abcbirds.org/news/1-1-million-acres-in-california-protected-from-dangerous-neonic-insecticides/ Sent from my iPhone From tweeters at u.washington.edu Sat Jun 29 17:24:41 2024 From: tweeters at u.washington.edu (Hank Heiberg via Tweeters) Date: Sat Jun 29 17:24:55 2024 Subject: [Tweeters] American Crow In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: How frequently do American Crows get mentioned on Tweeters? Not often so here goes. We were walking along the unpaved path in the east meadow of Marymoor Park in Redmond, WA. in a successful search to at least hear the previously reported Yellow-breasted Chat. For quite a distance a juvenile (?) American Crow hopped in front of us and looked back like it knew us. https://www.flickr.com/photos/ljcouple/53823353367/in/photostream/ It was never more than about 3 feet in front of us. Occasionally it found a bug to eat. When we arrived at the paved path, the Crow went right towards the parking lots and we went left towards Lake Sammamish. We said goodbye as we parted ways. Hank & Karen Heiberg Issaquah, WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Fleming Ballard, Washington MichaelFleming0607 AT gmail.com On Sun, Jun 30, 2024 at 3:21?PM Ian Paulsen via Tweeters < tweeters@u.washington.edu> wrote: > HI ALL: > I just posted about 2 bird and 3 non-bird books at my blog here: > > https://birdbookerreport.blogspot.com/2024/06/new-titles.html > > sincerely > Ian Paulsen > Bainbridge Island, WA, USA > Visit my BIRDBOOKER REPORT blog here: > https://birdbookerreport.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Tweeters mailing list > Tweeters@u.washington.edu > http://mailman11.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/tweeters > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: