[Alpine-info] Seeking someone who..?

[damion.yates at gmail.com]

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:


> Hi, thanks for joining the discussion.  A screen reader at its most 

> basic is a talking monitor.  The reason why w3c.way  states that 

> progressive enhancement design is most inclusive is because, much like 

> parts of our body, changing technology that largely serves as an 

> extension of or substitution for a bodily function is not always 

> feasible.  add that while such tools exist, the cost, training, and 

> configuration is not standard or in some places in the world even 

> available.


If I understand correctly, you agree more advanced screen readers exist 
but that they're expensive or hard to get?  I personally am a Linux user 
and I very much doubt they'll work unless I'm lucky with `wine`.

I sympathise with the position but as I mentioned before, there are 
costs involved, and solutions provided which are believed to be 
adequate.


> voice browsers use basic html I am told, so do braille displays.  It 

> provided a clear and in  order presentation, allowing for ease of 

> navigation.


I admit I'm not an expert but AIUI there are html5 standards for a11y with tags not even supported by older 
browsers, but that are supported in modern ones with modern screen 
readers.  Those might be Mac/Windows only, mandate a GUI and might be 
expensive.

If it's truly the case that they all prefer plain html sites, this is 
sad and I can add to my todo list an action to try and ping somebody in 
the gmail team...

[snipped]


> Removing choice of how you read your email, how it gets presented?


This is why IMAP is good, and IRC rather than a web based chat app and 
Usenet news in a newsreader.  Again I sympathise and come from this 
world, but free services aren't easy to fund when billions of people 
just want to use Whatsapp and Chrome...


> Google stated to the media that removing basic html would happen in January 

> 2024. 

> Imagine my surprise on November 20th to find my basic html door 

> closed..entirely.


As per the other thread I'm not sure it's actually gone yet.  Also I'll 
try and find somebody to ping when I get to my todo list item.


  - Damion