[Tweeters] [obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for you

[Alan Roedell via Tweeters]

Remarkable!  Firm evidence that farmed salmon are not an acceptable
substitute for wild fish.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 6:52 PM Robert O'Brien via Tweeters <
tweeters at u.washington.edu> wrote:


> To carry on Wayne's comments, over the last few years there has been

> growing realization and publications that such feeding by widespread

> organisms spreads nutrients from the salmon throughout the watershed.

> Thereby distributing theses nutrients not only in the steam but widespread

> onto the land.  I would never had thought of that.  Here is one reference

> of many, many.  Not necessarily the best one, but what I found with limited

> effort.

> Bob OBrien  Carver OR

> https://pacificwild.org/salmon-a-keystone-species/

>

> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:01 PM Wayne Hoffman <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org>

> wrote:

>

>> About 25 years ago I heard a seminar by researchers who studied a small

>> river tributary to Hood Canal, WA, where Chum Salmon spawned *en masse*.

>> They recorded well over 100 different species of vertebrates feeding on

>> salmon eggs and/or the carcasses of spawned-out salmon.  In addition to the

>> expected bears, eagles, and ravens, these ranged from Black-tailed Deer

>> biting chunks of flesh from carcasses, to Song Sparrows and other small

>> songbirds carrying off eggs one at a time.

>>

>> Salmon grow from small smolts to large adults at sea, then return and

>> die, significantly enriching the streams and surrounding forest where they

>> spawn.

>>

>> Wayne

>>

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>> *From: *"Dan Gleason" <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org>

>> *To: *"rickd" <rickd at friller.com>

>> *Cc: *"Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol at freelists.org>, "COBOL" <

>> COBOL at groups.io>, tweeters at u.washington.edu

>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 9, 2025 3:02:46 PM

>> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for you

>>

>> What you are saying is the expanded skin showing the contents of the

>> gular pouch not the crop. The large gular pouch enable Steller's J's to

>> carry a large number of seeds, which they then carry away and store and

>> small cashes for later use. The amount that they can carry in this pouch,

>> of course varies with the size of the seeds or other food they are taking,

>> but it is a significant number. I want watched a Steller's Jay taking four

>> hole on shelled peanuts before flying off.

>>

>>

>> On Oct 9, 2025, at 7:00 AM, rick <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org> wrote:

>>

>> Good morning.

>>

>> In the attached picture of a Steller’s Jay gathering Salmon eggs from a

>> small river which we visited recently, it appears that the Jay is filling

>> its craw with Salmon eggs.

>>

>> The craw appears to have transparent properties…or is the craw

>> damaged/ripped?

>>

>> Researching this question on the internet did not provide me an answer to

>> this question.

>>

>> Your help in answering this question is appreciated.

>>

>> No, this picture was not taken in Oregon or Washington.

>>

>> Rick

>>

>> <_52J7010 v2 lowres.jpg>

>>

>>

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