[Tweeters] [obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for you

[George Miller via Tweeters]

IIRC , the German forester Peter Wohlleben expounds into the subject of
salmon and nutrient distribution in his book “Forest Walking”.



On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 23:30 Alan Roedell via Tweeters <
tweeters at u.washington.edu> wrote:


> Remarkable!  Firm evidence that farmed salmon are not an acceptable

> substitute for wild fish.

>

> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025, 6:52 PM Robert O'Brien via Tweeters <

> tweeters at u.washington.edu> wrote:

>

>> To carry on Wayne's comments, over the last few years there has been

>> growing realization and publications that such feeding by widespread

>> organisms spreads nutrients from the salmon throughout the watershed.

>> Thereby distributing theses nutrients not only in the steam but widespread

>> onto the land.  I would never had thought of that.  Here is one reference

>> of many, many.  Not necessarily the best one, but what I found with limited

>> effort.

>> Bob OBrien  Carver OR

>> https://pacificwild.org/salmon-a-keystone-species/

>>

>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2025 at 1:01 PM Wayne Hoffman <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org>

>> wrote:

>>

>>> About 25 years ago I heard a seminar by researchers who studied a small

>>> river tributary to Hood Canal, WA, where Chum Salmon spawned *en masse*.

>>> They recorded well over 100 different species of vertebrates feeding on

>>> salmon eggs and/or the carcasses of spawned-out salmon.  In addition to the

>>> expected bears, eagles, and ravens, these ranged from Black-tailed Deer

>>> biting chunks of flesh from carcasses, to Song Sparrows and other small

>>> songbirds carrying off eggs one at a time.

>>>

>>> Salmon grow from small smolts to large adults at sea, then return and

>>> die, significantly enriching the streams and surrounding forest where they

>>> spawn.

>>>

>>> Wayne

>>>

>>> ------------------------------

>>> *From: *"Dan Gleason" <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org>

>>> *To: *"rickd" <rickd at friller.com>

>>> *Cc: *"Oregon Birders OnLine" <obol at freelists.org>, "COBOL" <

>>> COBOL at groups.io>, tweeters at u.washington.edu

>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 9, 2025 3:02:46 PM

>>> *Subject: *[obol] Re: Steller's Jay with Salmon eggs - A question for

>>> you

>>>

>>> What you are saying is the expanded skin showing the contents of the

>>> gular pouch not the crop. The large gular pouch enable Steller's J's to

>>> carry a large number of seeds, which they then carry away and store and

>>> small cashes for later use. The amount that they can carry in this pouch,

>>> of course varies with the size of the seeds or other food they are taking,

>>> but it is a significant number. I want watched a Steller's Jay taking four

>>> hole on shelled peanuts before flying off.

>>>

>>>

>>> On Oct 9, 2025, at 7:00 AM, rick <dmarc-noreply at freelists.org> wrote:

>>>

>>> Good morning.

>>>

>>> In the attached picture of a Steller’s Jay gathering Salmon eggs from a

>>> small river which we visited recently, it appears that the Jay is filling

>>> its craw with Salmon eggs.

>>>

>>> The craw appears to have transparent properties…or is the craw

>>> damaged/ripped?

>>>

>>> Researching this question on the internet did not provide me an answer

>>> to this question.

>>>

>>> Your help in answering this question is appreciated.

>>>

>>> No, this picture was not taken in Oregon or Washington.

>>>

>>> Rick

>>>

>>> <_52J7010 v2 lowres.jpg>

>>>

>>>

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