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[Karen Lewellen]

No,
My point is that the screen reader is entirely irrelevant to any 
accessibility  solution, because creating inclusion has absolutely zero to 
do with screen readers.
Basic html is not cost impacting..at all.
It cost more to secure and protect the more graphical infrastructures 
because JavaScript, especially proprietary JavaScript  is a hacker's idea of 
a good time.
Did google ever consider starting to charge for basic html?
Might be surprised how much revenue simplicity would generate.
Kare.



On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, damion.yates at gmail.com wrote:


> On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Karen Lewellen wrote:

>

>>  Hi, thanks for joining the discussion.  A screen reader at its most basic

>>  is a talking monitor.  The reason why w3c.way  states that progressive

>>  enhancement design is most inclusive is because, much like parts of our

>>  body, changing technology that largely serves as an extension of or

>>  substitution for a bodily function is not always feasible.  add that while

>>  such tools exist, the cost, training, and configuration is not standard or

>>  in some places in the world even available.

>

> If I understand correctly, you agree more advanced screen readers exist but 

> that they're expensive or hard to get?  I personally am a Linux user and I 

> very much doubt they'll work unless I'm lucky with `wine`.

>

> I sympathise with the position but as I mentioned before, there are costs 

> involved, and solutions provided which are believed to be adequate.

>

>>  voice browsers use basic html I am told, so do braille displays.  It

>>  provided a clear and in  order presentation, allowing for ease of

>>  navigation.

>

> I admit I'm not an expert but AIUI there are html5 standards for a11y with 

> tags not even supported by older browsers, but that are supported in modern 

> ones with modern screen readers.  Those might be Mac/Windows only, mandate a 

> GUI and might be expensive.

>

> If it's truly the case that they all prefer plain html sites, this is sad and 

> I can add to my todo list an action to try and ping somebody in the gmail 

> team...

>

> [snipped]

>

>>  Removing choice of how you read your email, how it gets presented?

>

> This is why IMAP is good, and IRC rather than a web based chat app and Usenet 

> news in a newsreader.  Again I sympathise and come from this world, but free 

> services aren't easy to fund when billions of people just want to use 

> Whatsapp and Chrome...

>

>>  Google stated to the media that removing basic html would happen in

>>  January 2024. Imagine my surprise on November 20th to find my basic html

>>  door closed..entirely.

>

> As per the other thread I'm not sure it's actually gone yet.  Also I'll try 

> and find somebody to ping when I get to my todo list item.

>

>

> - Damion

>